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Rules
* Cade Skywalker as of Legacy: War
* Arcann as of the end of KoftFE
* Fight takes place near a crashed Star Destroyer
* In character
* Starting distance: 7m

Rounds
1. Sabers only
2. Force only
3. All-Out

Frankly, Cade wins.

I agree, but to play Devil's advocate...
What feats has Cade, that are above statlemating/barely losing against End-of-KoftFE Outlander, ragdolling the Outlander at the beginning of KoftFE and tanking Valkorions lightning?

Arcann

Reasons?

He's a stronger Force User and a superior duelist.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He's a stronger Force User and a superior duelist.
Why is he that?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
I agree, but to play Devil's advocate...
What feats has Cade, that are above statlemating/barely losing against End-of-KoftFE Outlander, ragdolling the Outlander at the beginning of KoftFE and tanking Valkorions lightning?

Stalemating/barely losing to Krayt, two shotting Talon, tanking the centre of a lab explosion, shrugging off Krayt's TK, lightning, and Illusions.

He said above Arcann's feats.

Originally posted by Ursumeles

Why is he that?

You already know what Arcann's done, why should I have to write it out for you.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Stalemating/barely losing to Krayt, two shotting Talon, tanking the centre of a lab explosion, shrugging off Krayt's TK, lightning, and Illusions.
Reborn Krayt? He loses decievely against him imho, but Krayt would beat the sh!t out of Arcann, so...*
With the Force or in Sabers?

Edit: * Oh, I wanted to be neutral, lol. Nvm.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Reborn Krayt? He loses decievely against him imho.

Your opinion is noted, but actually worths shit all since Cade already did compete with Reborn Krayt. So that's that.

Never said he won...

Like I never said that he not competed

You said he loses decisively, which he did not.

Are we talking about injured Arcann at the very end of the chapter? Or Arcann uninjured?

if he's uninjured I'd definitely give it to him.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Are we talking about injured Arcann at the very end of the chapter? Or Arcann uninjured?

if he's uninjured I'd definitely give it to him.
Uninjured.
Why?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Uninjured.
Why?
His domination of pre-PIS Outlander in lightsaber combat and the Force suggests to me that he's a stronger force user and quite frankly a greater duelist.

DMB low as the shit outta Legacy, lal.

Deronn, who do you think wins?

Cade takes 'sabers, Arcann for Force, all-out can go either way.

Why does Arcann wins force?

Arcann but all in possibly sabers.

Arcann solidly

B U M P

Arcann prolly sweeps in retrospect.

Reasons? Especially for Arcann winning 'sabers?

Arcann, assuming the ground is stable.

For Force, ragdolling the Outlander and creating a barrier to repel lightning, who's residual sparks was downing ships > anything Cade has done in Force.

For 'sabers, I find the Outlander's feats to be sufficient enough to match Cade's and Arcann was matching him. It could go either way, but Arcann superior Force connection should allow him to net a win.

Unless Arcann got more powerful in KOTET Cade still sweeps.

He was confirmed to have grown in power yeah.

Arcann takes sabers, Force, and all-out

Originally posted by SunRazer
Frankly, Cade wins.

Reasons?

He hates TOR -- no other reason, lmao.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
He hates TOR -- no other reason, lmao.
That's a convincing case
Cade wins

I also ask DMB, Zoltan, etc.

Cade's performance against Krayt shits all over Arcann's daddy issues.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
He hates TOR -- no other reason, lmao.

I actually like some TOR characters. Vaylin, Senya, Revan, Nox, Malgus, Aryn Leneer, and Valkorion to an extent are all decent characters with nice concepts to me.

The debaters representing them, on the other hand, are a whole 'nother issue.

He didn't said that you dislike all TOR chars, but TOR in general

If you say so Wollf. I find debating on KMC these days to be nothing but agenda pushing and nothing else. Integrity in debating isn't an actual thing these days.

NewGuy and Nova may be the only people exempt from that kind of behavior.

Well most of the stories are actual sh!t, so yeah... I do hate it, in-general, as a story-based game.

But the decent stories(Nox and the Imperial Agent, for example) were enjoyable enough that the gameplay carried it through. But the Expansion, for what limited time I played it, made me cringe so much that slaughtering beasts and trolling Lana wasn't quite as fun.

Among other things.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
If you say so Wollf. I find debating on KMC these days to be nothing but agenda pushing and nothing else. Integral debating isn't an actual thing these days.

NewGuy and Nova maybe the only people exempt from that kind of behavior.

I really don't have an agenda to push. It's not like me screaming "DOOKU > VITIATE" and spamming the forums with arguments will actually get anywhere, and I know that. It's just killing time. *Shrugs*

lmao.
Next joke, pls.


There is agenda pushing and mental retardation. What you described above, is the latter.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
lmao.
Next joke, pls.

Believe what you will, I guess. *Shrugs*

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
There is agenda pushing and mental retardation. What you described above, is the latter.

I used it as a dumb example that agenda pushing will get you nowhere, especially on a forum where most people have a firm, arbitrary hierarchy that they will never wish to change, unless it's done so personally and not through the argument of someone else.

Originally posted by MythLord
I actually like some TOR characters. Vaylin.

Kill self.

Vaylin is awful, yeah.

You thought wrong.