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It took every Jedi in all of history that had died by Empire's End to contain Sidious in chaos.

Can Valkorion's spirit put up a fight against their combined will?

Can Valkorion shed his limitations in the fight?

maybe.....

While Sidious could only shake stars upon inheriting the mantle of the Dark Side, Valkorion has the will of stars, on top of having the patience of stone.

Valkorion stomps.

Stars have no will though.

It did NOT take the combined power of every dead Jedi to keep Sidious in Chaos, that's a gross misinterpretation of the quote.

Originally posted by darthbane77
It did NOT take the combined power of every dead Jedi to keep Sidious in Chaos, that's a gross misinterpretation of the quote.
Why?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Why? The quote states that the spirits of the dead Jedi would make sure that Sidious never returned. That simply means they would work in conjunction to keep it from happening, it in NO WAY means that it took their combined power just to prevent Sid's return.

It was never explicitly stated it took the combine might, only that the Jedi from the past would assure that Sidious never returns.

That's like saying it took the combine might of the Jedi Order to subdue Kun entirely because most of them was sent to obliterate him on Yavin IV. Over kill is a thing.

Ah, you mean that.
Yeah, I agree

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Ah, you mean that.
Yeah, I agree

Still more impressive than what Valk has done, as Yoda would solo his spirit

Valkorion even concedes Arcann and Vaylin would duo his spirit.

At least Valkorion ain't getting stalemated by Galen Marek in Force locks.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Still more impressive than what Valk has done, as Yoda would solo his spirit Nah

Originally posted by darthbane77
Nah

Arcann and Vaylin > Yoda?

Originally posted by Azronger
Arcann and Vaylin > Yoda? I honestly wouldn't put it past them to be able to beat him together. It depends on your placement of Arcann and Vaylin though, I have them both around Vader level; and I think it's reasonable to say that two Vader level opponents can take Yoda. It's by no means easy though, and they wouldn't win every time.

Lmao.

Hey man, you're the one who asked.

Valkorion gets atomized

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
At least Valkorion ain't getting stalemated by Galen Marek in Force locks. When did Sidious get stalemated by Galen? Do ye have a defective memory or something?

We get it, fcking DE Sidious is ridiculously powerful, moreso than Valkorion

Unless of course, some sort of Vaylin scaling occurs

Originally posted by Geistalt
When did Sidious get stalemated by Galen? Do ye have a defective memory or something?

Ask Syndi, tbh.

He matched him for a time before their engagement was prematurely ended.

I never claimed he stalemated him.

Arcann and Vaylin are Kenobi level at best.

And even then, I believe Kenobi takes them in sabers.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Arcann and Vaylin are Kenobi level at best.

And even then, I believe Kenobi takes them in sabers. Gross

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
At least Valkorion ain't getting stalemated by Galen Marek in Force locks.

No, he just gets shot by non-Force sensitives whilst he's talking

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Arcann and Vaylin are Kenobi level at best.

And even then, I believe Kenobi takes them in sabers.
Nah, they are easily more powerful.
But yeah, Kenobi beats them in Sabers.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Arcann and Vaylin are Kenobi level at best.

Rofl.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Rofl.
Tbfh, Kenobi is easily hotter.

Yeah, because KotET Vaylin incinerates him.

Valkorion does this to them:

https://i.imgur.com/wQ7QCJM.mp4

Originally posted by Azronger
Valkorion even concedes Arcann and Vaylin would duo his spirit.
When?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
When?

"We must deal with my errant son and daughter before they ruin everything."

"I knew you wanted something. You can't stop them alone."

"They are deadly - and worse, lack discipline. do not underestimate their threat. It will take both of us to undo the damage they can inflict."

―Valkorion and the Outlander

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"My son is too strong. You need my power. Only together can we strike him down."

―Valkorion

Originally posted by Azronger
"We must deal with my errant son and daughter before they ruin everything."

"I knew you wanted something. You can't stop them alone."

"They are deadly - and worse, lack discipline. do not underestimate their threat. It will take both of us to undo the damage they can inflict."

―Valkorion and the Outlander

---

"My son is too strong. You need my power. Only together can we strike him down."

―Valkorion
That is called manipulation, my friend.

Azronger, none of that proves anything.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Azronger, none of that proves anything.

Except that even with the combined power of the Outlander and Valkorion, Arcann deflected his lightning for a lengthy period of time. Valkorion with no body to channel his power would lose to Arcann.

If Valkorion could have killed or otherwise pacified Arcann, he would have done it himself yeah.

Pretty sure it was explicitly Valkorion's power, given that Arcann notes after the exchange that his father's power has changed/gotten weaker, and that even if you choose a non force sensitive, the result is still the same. Plus Valkorion's the one who essentially gave the Outlander the power necessary to defeat Arcann in Chapter 16.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
If Valkorion could have killed or otherwise pacified Arcann, he would have done it himself yeah.

He did do it himself.

Where?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Pretty sure it was explicitly Valkorion's power, given that Arcann notes after the exchange that his father's power has changed/gotten weaker, and that even if you choose a non force sensitive, the result is still the same. Plus Valkorion's the one who essentially gave the Outlander the power necessary to defeat Arcann in Chapter 16.

Yes, it's his father's power in the body of the Outlander. Valkorion needs the Outlander's body to channel his power. He can't do it as a spirit.

And despite Valkorion giving the Outlander power, the latter was still inferior to Arcann.

...yeah. But you explicitly said that Valkorion's spirit would lose to Arcann and Vaylin. That's evidently not the case.

Not really.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Where?

Chapter 8.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
...yeah. But you explicitly said that Valkorion's spirit would lose to Arcann and Vaylin. That's evidently not the case.

Well, if Valkorion couldve done it as a spirit, he would've. Even with the Outlander's body it took him a lengthy period before he managed to overwhelm Arcann. He wouldn't succeed with no body.



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QU71fcJiWDM?t=49

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Well yeah, but at the same time, Arcann and Vaylin wouldn't be able to hurt him, lol. What I'm saying is that his power is enough to defeat Arcann and Vaylin in a fight, he just wouldn't have a vessel to channel the power through, so in that event, neither would be able to hurt the other.

Lol. Do you have any idea how many similar pre-fight cutscenes there are in SWTOR? The Outlander proceeds to block his strikes barehanded and beat his ass.

Ah, so you agree. Good.

I don't agree that, as you explicitly said, "Arcann and Vaylin could duo Valkorion."

Destroying a Sith spirit isn't that complicated.

Tell that to SWTOR.

Originally posted by Azronger
Yes, it's his father's power in the body of the Outlander. Valkorion needs the Outlander's body to channel his power. He can't do it as a spirit.
Wrong:

https://i.imgur.com/NBrLtJd.mp4

Chapter 12 makes it clear that Valkorion didn't need a physical body to affect the external environment. Not sure why you thought this was the case.

Originally posted by Azronger
And despite Valkorion giving the Outlander power, the latter was still inferior to Arcann.
Wrong again.

The Outlander was powerful enough to defeat Arcann after that augmentation. Check chapter 16.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Wrong:

https://i.imgur.com/NBrLtJd.mp4

Chapter 12 makes it clear that Valkorion didn't need a physical body to affect the external environment. Not sure why you thought this was the case.

I never said he couldn't affect the environment, lol.



Nothing in there implied superiority to Arcann. He lost the duel because he lost his footing due to external factors, and blocking lightsaber blades is something Satele Shan and Shaak Ti (and even the Barsen'thor as of chapter 8) can do, yet you wouldn't suggest they're better than Arcann, would you?

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Tell that to SWTOR.

http://i.imgur.com/1OXMI7o.jpg

That fails to address what I said. No one knows how to kill Valkorion.