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Who takes this?

Knights, lmfao

Which location?

Depends on how they come at him. Vader's Force waves could definitely devastate or scatter them into small groups of soldiers that he can one-shot in close-combat.

Vader

Zakuul knights are trash

Depends on how he handles them. Difficult fight regardless of the outcome.

Vader oneshots.

A group of Knights of Zakuul almost overwhelmed The Outander, Lana Beniko, Senya and a few heroes in a battle. Unfortunately for them, Valkorion intervened.

Darth Vader doesn't stands a chance here. He might knock out some but numbers would eventually overwhelm him.

Just shows how shit they are. A distracted mechanic can dodge ZK's strikes...

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Just shows how shit they are. A distracted mechanic can dodge ZK's strikes...
Not true.

- The Outlander is among the most powerful Force-users in galactic history.

- Lana Beniko was a powerful Sith Lord with decent feats.

- Senya was the former leader of the Knights of Zakuul and had the distinction of defeating Vaylin later.

- The others were heroes in their own right as well. Normal beings like them have held their own against Force-users from time to time.

A lone Knight of Zakuul may not stand a chance against the strongest Jedi and/or Sith, but a group them is an entirely another matter.

Unless you are Valkorion or above, you do not stand a chance against a large group of Knights of Zakuul.

Satele Shan also pointed out the The Outlander that Jedi and/or Sith dropped like flies against hordes of Knights of Zakuul.

On top of everything, Knights of Zakuul vary in power as much as the Jedi and Sith among themselves. Some are super-strong and some are average.

Lmao. Starkiller+ oneshots the whole lot of them. Now dry those tears.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD

Unless you are Valkorion or above, you do not stand a chance against a large group of Knights of Zakuul.
So...Plagueis?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
So...Plagueis?
He almost lost to a bunch of assassins.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Lmao. Starkiller+ oneshots the whole lot of them. Now dry those tears.
When have he ever contended with Knights of Zakuul?

Starkiller oneshotted a group of his own clones, some of them more powerful than himself, some less. While the Outlander on the other hand needed his ass being saved by a bunch of civilians against 20 Skytroopers

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Starkiller oneshotted a group of his own clones, some of them more powerful than himself, some less. While the Outlander on the other hand needed his ass being saved by a bunch of civilians against 20 Skytroopers
Those clones were rather incompetent or far from perfect.

If Starkiller could one-shot a bunch of Force-users equally strong and competent (or superior), than he should have no trouble handling Palpatine or Darth Vader. It doesn't makes any sense.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He almost lost to a bunch of assassins.
They tricked and assinated him, lol.

Says you. Canon says otherwise:

And yet... Confidence, determination, intelligence, and cunning-combined with physical strength and agility-the clones possessed every attribute he did, in greater or lesser degrees. He saw in their faces the same confusion he felt. They were all clones, so who was he to stand out from among them? What special qualities set him apart?
--The Force Unleashed II

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Says you. Canon says otherwise:

And yet... Confidence, determination, intelligence, and cunning-combined with physical strength and agility-the clones possessed every attribute he did, in greater or lesser degrees. He saw in their faces the same confusion he felt. They were all clones, so who was he to stand out from among them? What special qualities set him apart?
--The Force Unleashed II
Which source? Novel? Comic?

If Valkorion can devastate entire planets whenever he pleases as you claim, he should have no trouble destroying the Outlander and anyone that opposes him. It doesn't make any sense.

Originally posted by Trocity
If Valkorion can devastate entire planets whenever he pleases as you claim, he should have no trouble destroying the Outlander and anyone that opposes him. It doesn't make any sense.
You faced this reality now?

Star Wars, on the whole, is a compilation of inconsistent portrayals of characters, machines and even events. Look no further than the example of Anakin Skywalker. In one fight, he defeats Count Dooku. In another, he looses to Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Christopher Cerasi got it right:

"The further one branches away from the movies, the more interpretation and speculation come into play. LucasBooks works diligently to keep the continuing Star Wars expanded universe cohesive and uniform, but stylistically, there is always room for variation. Not all artists draw Luke Skywalker the same way. Not all writers define the character in the same fashion. The particular attributes of individual media also come into play. A comic book interpretation of an event will likely have less dialogue or different pacing than a novel version. A video game has to take an interactive approach that favors gameplay. So too must card and roleplaying games ascribe certain characteristics to characters and events in order to make them playable."

In one fight, Luke Skywalker defeats UnuThul. In another, he looses to Lumiya.

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Valkorion's devastation of Ziost makes it clear that his powers are extreme (per Jedi standards) and he can eliminate any Jedi and/or Sith . Even the entire Order under the right circumstances. However, we see him entertaining Lightsaber blows or a single opponent in another instance.

These fluctuations are the product of storytelling, specially when a panel of decision-makers are involved. There is not much story to tell if Valkorion moves from world to world, devastating them one by one. In a span of years, he would solo the entire galaxy. Technically or capability wise, he can do that. However, some authors won't find any charm in this or might be uncomfortable with going that far.

Jedi absolutely obliterate Valkorion.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Jedi absolutely obliterate Valkorion.
Wrong thread, my friend.

Yes, a Voice won't stand a chance against such odds. Even if he kills hundreds, they will eventually get to him. The numbers are simply too much.

However, Valkorion is more than that. In his disembodied form, he can pull a Ziost on them without any issue. He killed billions on Ziost alone. He is like Darth Nihilus in this matter.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11117/111178634/5490639-force+wave.jpg

Originally posted by SunRazer
Depends on how they come at him. Vader's Force waves could definitely devastate or scatter them into small groups of soldiers that he can one-shot in close-combat.

^^^

They are normal soldiers. Knights of Zakuul are a different matter.

This doesn't makes any sense

Marr put down like six of these plebs--without a weapon--in something like ten seconds, no problems. Why can't an armed, vastly superior Sith go to work, here?

3 of these plebs *

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
3 of these plebs *

Really? I'm only going off of memory, but IIRC he pushed a couple off the bridge, threw a lightsaber pike that cut down a couple more, then threw another one off the bridge before getting zapped. mmm Can't imagine that was only three.

Nah: he force pushes one off the bridge and takes his pike, kills another by throwing the pike at him, then force pushes another off the bridge. Then dies.

In regards to this thread, I'm not sure. Most likely the Knights.

Edit: Supreme got it.

Pretty sure he wipes out three with the spear throw alone.

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Nah: he force pushes one off the bridge and takes his pike, kills another by throwing the pike at him, then force pushes another off the bridge. Then dies.

True, rewatching the footage, only one of the Knights he threw the pike at died. But c'mon, we all know those other two that got hit were dead meat if not for the Slayer of Izax.

Vader turns them into dust.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Pretty sure he wipes out three with the spear throw alone.

Nah the other two just kinda got knocked over.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
True, rewatching the footage, only one of the Knights he threw the pike at died. But c'mon, we all know those other two that got hit were dead meat if not for the Slayer of Izax.

Agreed, but if every single guard there attacked him at once, like in this thread, The Dragon of Zakuul wouldn't have been necessary for Marr's death.

Darth Marr used the external environment around him to his advantage.

Kinda shows you how powerful Vaylin is when as a child/teen she's crushing 10 of those Knights.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Marr put down like six of these plebs--without a weapon--in something like ten seconds, no problems. Why can't an armed, vastly superior Sith go to work, here?
Vastly superior?

I suppose Tol Braga was vastly superior to Hero of Tython because he dominated the former with his powers for a while?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Says you. Canon says otherwise:

And yet... Confidence, determination, intelligence, and cunning-combined with physical strength and agility-the clones possessed every attribute he did, in greater or lesser degrees. He saw in their faces the same confusion he felt. They were all clones, so who was he to stand out from among them? What special qualities set him apart?
--The Force Unleashed II
Well:

Starkiller felt a shock of recognition jolt through him. These weren't stormtroopers. They were him. Incomplete, and oddly- warped from true, but definitely him.

Vader gestured again, and the clones' eyes opened.

In them Starkiller saw nothing but hatred, anger, confusion, betrayal, madness, and loss.

Their glass cages shattered. Amniotic fluid boiled away. They pulled free from their cables and tubes and, with motions faltering at first but quickly growing stronger, climbed free from the wreckage.

Starkiller stood his ground as a circle of failed clones formed around him. Behind them Darth Vader nodded once.

The clones came forward in one overwhelming rush.

Taken from The Force Unleashed II (novelization)

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They also lacked in coordination:

From above came the sound of lightsabers activating, and he braced himself for another, more dangerous onslaught. These, the most normal looking of all the clones, spun, slashed, hacked, and stabbed at him from all sides, one-handed, two-handed, with all possible variations of lightsaber combat styles. Red-eyed and hate- filled, they fought each other, too, and the ones who had come before. There were no allies, just a sea of individuals.

Taken from The Force Unleashed II (novelization)