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Peak versions for both, regardless of when you think that is.

1. On Dathomir.

2. Neutral ground.

Talzin lol.

1.Originally posted by Beniboybling
Talzin lol.
Not sure about two, tbh, as an Sub-Vader Force user oneshotted 8ABY Luke on Dathomir. Likely Talzin as well, tho, as SoD would ragdoll Revan.

Da Nightseeestar wins.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
1.
Not sure about two, tbh, as an Sub-Vader Force user oneshotted 8ABY Luke on Dathomir. Likely Talzin as well, tho, as SoD would ragdoll Revan. I don't think Geth is sub-Vader.

She is. She really is.

And she one-shotted an unready Luke, who was hindered by the nexus, so...

Prove it fugg.

Vader has accolades that place him as canonically superior to Geth.

Wait, that she is Sub-Vader just proves Vader > Kun/Revan and co.

1. talzin electrocutes
2. revan wins

Originally posted by MythLord
Vader has accolades that place him as canonically superior to Geth.

They refer to his standing within the Empire.

Talzin

Originally posted by Beniboybling


They refer to his standing within the Empire.

Rly? All the quotes seem to mention his dark power and whatnot.

Also, Vader's feats are better, anyways.

As a contributing factor to his status, yeah. For example:

At the beginning of A New Hope, Darth Vader is so powerful in the Dark Side that he is second in command of the entire galaxy!
-- Adventures Magazine 4

His other accolades essentially say, or mean to say, the same thing.

Originally posted by MythLord
She is. She really is.

And she one-shotted an unready Luke, who was hindered by the nexus, so... Yep. Not only was he unready for the attack, he was in the process of trying to talk her into coming over to the light.

" I've met your kind before, Luke said. Listen to me, Gethzerion turn away from the darkside before its too late."

"She pointed a finger at luke, and before luke even recognized her evil intent, a ripple of force slammed into him."

Also at that point in the story Luke was naive, always doubting himself, and unsure about everything he did.

"Luke felt unsure of his power. The force. Where did it really come from? Yoda had said that life created it, that it was energy. But could luke use it in good conscience? If he was drawing energy from other living things, sucking them as if he were some leech bleeding them dry, how could he really justify what he did."

Also Luke acknowledge that Vader had been holding back in their previous fights and could have done the same to luke if he wanted.

"And there was the further matter, in his battles with darth vader and the emperor, luke felt he had never truly tested his powers to the limits. Vader saught only to turn him, had kept luke alive. Yet luke had no illusions that Gethzerion would be so lienient."

"So this is how it would have been had Vader tried to kill me."

To emphasise luke being naive at that point. He acknowledge that gethzerion wouldn't be as lenient as vader and the freaking emperor, and still goes to face her unprepared, defenseless, and tries to talk her into coming to the light.

So to sum it up, Gethzerion on a nexus powering her, one shotted a young, inexperienced, naive Luke, who was unsure of himself and powers and went into the fight unprepared and defenseless.

1: Talzin in a close fight
2: Revan

Talzin
Revan

Talzin in both.

Talzin wrecks on Dathomir.

Revan wins on neutral ground.

What are Talzin's neutral ground feats?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Talzin wrecks on Dathomir.

Revan wins on neutral ground.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
What are Talzin's neutral ground feats?

Failing to sustain her Illusions and getting injured by non-Force sensitives because "sterile places" didn't sustain her magicks or something of the sort.

Although if Zardossa Stix is considered neutral ground, then she dueled Mace and contended with him strength-wise. And teleported.

I've never felt comfortable with the idea that some random Nightsister on a nexus is comparable to the most powerful sith lord in galactic history, the culmination of the Banite line whose title was "annointed" by the dark side itself. It was really dumb, in all honesty.

In fairness, Talzin's rituals allowed her to wreck Dooku from across the galaxy.

Regardless, this has only taken place in Canon. Legends suggests that Sidious is way out of Talzin's league.

lol wait...seriously? In that case, Revan may actually win. Canon Sidious doesn't benefit from the same set of feats and accolades.

Neutral ground is a ridiculous notion with Talzin, seeing as the environment largely determines how much power she can wield. As Nova said, she was capable of some pretty impressive shit on Zardossa Stix, a planet that seemed relatively devoid of life (likely due to the fact there was machinery there which was designed to siphon life energy), but on a lifeless station like the one she faced Palpatine on, she could perform similar feats but for almost no length of time.

Really, "neutral ground" doesn't exist. There's places where she'd win and places she'd likely lose. I guess if it truly is "neutral ground", they take an even split.

She wins on Dathomir though.

Neutral ground would be a moderately verdant planet like earth or something, if the amount of life is important. No nexus, no advantage either way in terms of terrain or stuff to draw upon.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Neutral ground would be a moderately verdant planet like earth or something, if the amount of life is important. No nexus, no advantage either way in terms of terrain or stuff to draw upon.

But a planet like that isn't neutral, because it sustains her full power enough to win.

Neutrality isn't average. In a Dooku vs Mace fight, for example, Neutral is an area with some rocks and a few strategic advantages, to not make Force an easy win for Dooku and to make Sokan useful but not a game changer.

Here there is no neutral, because it's always a game changer.

If she's good enough to win on anything more than Tatooine or Hoth then she deserves to win. Her winning isn't contradictory with neutrality.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If she's good enough to win on anything more than Tatooine or Hoth then she deserves to win. Her winning isn't contradictory with neutrality.

Yes, but as I was saying the amount of life isn't a factor among many, it's the only factor, so a neutral planet is impossible.

I doubt she'd win on those planets, for the record.