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Can the Grandfather and Grandson duo, take down the most powerful of the ancient Sith?

- In character
-Standard Gear
-Combatants start 10 meters apart
- Fight takes place in my bedroom

1. Force
2. 'Sabers
3. All out

Team two.

Vitiate > Caedus

Ragnos = Vader

Team 2

1. Team 2 solidly
2. Team 1 solidly
3. Team 2 solidly

Team 1.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Team 1.
No member of Team 1 can defeat Vitiate.

Marka Ragnos might gain the upperhand with Sith Sorcery as well; at minimum, he will hold one of the members long enough for Vitiate to defeat an opponent and....

Team 1.

Team 2.

Team 1

Team 1.

Reasons?

Vader holds his own against Vitate, while Ragnos loses against Caedus in a okay fight.

Ragnos is the weak link.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Vader holds his own against Vitate, while Ragnos loses against Caedus in a okay fight.

Vitiate doesn't hold his own against Vitiate, lmao.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Vitiate doesn't hold his own against Vitiate, lmao.

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Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ragnos is the weak link.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Vader holds his own against Vitate, while Ragnos loses against Caedus in a okay fight.

Or Caedus beats Vitiate and Vader beats Ragnos.

If Aurra sing can beat Caedus, he's not beating Vitiate

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
1. Team 2 solidly
2. Team 1 solidly
3. Team 2 solidly

Tbh Vitiate TP's these tools

We're still trying to peddle that shit? Lmfao.

Team 1, better fighters.

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Tbh Vitiate TP's these tools

Originally posted by Beniboybling
We're still trying to peddle that shit? Lmfao.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
We're still trying to peddle that shit? Lmfao.
Do you have any credible argument against that?

I'm pretty sure it was debunked not more then a few months ago.

It's Legend and Tond, are you surprised?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I'm pretty sure it was debunked not more then a few months ago.
I am waiting for a solid argument.

Only a little.

Team 1 clowns these chumps

Originally posted by Trocity
It's Legend and Tond, are you surprised?
You do the honors.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I'm pretty sure it was debunked not more then a few months ago.

I dunno, nobody really gave a serious response to Legend's "mysterious and creepy" argument. mmm

Lmao.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am waiting for a solid argument. Same here. So far we have Valkoriate failing to TP a growing list of people.

The funniest part for me is that Beni still got brutally raped in most of the discussions on Vitiate's TP that took place on KMC despite his siding with the winning faction.

Team 2.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Same here. So far we have Valkoriate failing to TP a growing list of people.
Only Revan developed credible resistance against Telepathic powers. The others, not so much.

The Outlander also developed formidable resistance against Telepathic powers but Valkorion breached his defenses regardless of that. This is official.

lol If Vitiate could've just dominated HoT, Braga, Sedoru and Narezz, he would've. Instead, he dominated their minds after incapacitating them.

Who else has he TP'd? Revan and Malak? They had basically already fallen to the dark side. His Children? He specifically implanted parts of himself beforehand into their forms when they were literal children. Some mooks on Ziost? Atris did that, lmfao.

So we've got Vitiate TP'ing helpless, incapacitated people and people on the verge of the dark side already (with probable prep in both cases), or doing so to babies with prep. With them all breaking out via distance or a few comforting words after they've been beaten in battle.

Especially since a being who dominates hive worlds wasn't able to dominate Jacen

Originally posted by carthage
Especially since a being who dominates hive worlds wasn't able to dominate Jacen

He could dominate Luke (?) though, as I recall, implying that there's a difference between power in the force an telepathy resistance - Jacen is an Ant compared to Luke. Caedus on the other hand, is probably more susceptible to mindrapelal.

Unuthul wasn't putting his full focus into Jacen like he was for Luke. He was also controlling the other Jedi and such when Jacen "resisted" him.

That hardly improves Vitiate's case for Mind Controlling a Jacen that isn't unconscious or hasn't practically fallen to the dark side already. Unless he implanted an aspect of himself in Jacen ever since the latter was a child, but seeing as Kira Carsen managed to overpower Vitiate in a battle of wills, I think Jacen's fine in that scenario as well

Depends on where you place Karness Muur as a combatant.

Depends where you place any of them as a combatant.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Or Caedus beats Vitiate and Vader beats Ragnos.
Could also be

Originally posted by Tondemonai
Tbh Vitiate TP's these tools
Lmao wut

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Depends where you place any of them as a combatant.

I have it like this: Vong Krayt < Karness Muur < Ajunta Pall < Marka Ragnos.

That should put him on par with Vader, if not, above him.

If Krayt is being compared to Dooku, in his Vong stage, then yeah, I can definitely see Ragnos being above Vader.

Not by much, but he might be the gap between Vader and Caedus.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I have it like this: Vong Krayt > Karness Muur

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Originally posted by Jmanghan
I have it like this: Vong Krayt > Karness Muur > Ajunta Pall > Marka Ragnos.

That should put him on par with Vader, if not, above him.
Lmao, wut. The other way around

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
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http://static6.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124590/4589299-muurvskrayt3.jpg Meant the other way around!!

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