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Lol. Black murders.

Red wins, regeneration, unlimited ki.

Base Black loses solidly. SSR stomps

Never understood Carv's hate boner for super saiyan red.

Black wins.

Black low-diffs at worst.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Never understood Carv's hate boner for super saiyan red.

It's a warranted Boner, he went head to head with Beerus and has regeneration and unlimited ki.

SSR Stomps

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
regeneration

Was that confirmed?

Yeah? Goku regenerated as SSR after being stabbed by Beerus.

If blue is supposed to be superior to red or have everything red has but better, it is kinda odd how we never saw Goku or Vegeta regen like that any of the times they were stabbed by Black.

It's not supposed to be superior, SSR is not replaceable. That is the actual god form. SSB Is just super saijen with godly ki. It's not actually Better.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Was that confirmed?

Beerus put a massive hole in his stomach and he regenerated.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Beerus put a massive hole in his stomach and he regenerated.

That hole thing keeps happening throughout DB series, though.

Kid Buu did the same thing to SSJ2 Vegeta, for example.

The point is he regenerated from it, like it healed up in front out our eyes. That never happnes to Goku.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah? Goku regenerated as SSR after being stabbed by Beerus.

If blue is supposed to be superior to red or have everything red has but better, it is kinda odd how we never saw Goku or Vegeta regen like that any of the times they were stabbed by Black.

Blue may simply not have the regen. It is superior though.

Anyway, Black obviously wins.

Black stomps the downgraded red form.

Beerus=SSR > Black

Originally posted by ares834
Blue may simply not have the regen. It is superior though.

Anyway, Black obviously wins.

No it isn't. You have zero proof to back your ridiculous claim.

Well regardless of what's better between super saiyan god red or blue, pre-Rose Black (which I assume this thread is about) was only around SSJ2 level, stalemating SSJ2 Goku in their brief fight. Goku Red would stomp based on that, and laugh off Black's stabby stab moves due to his regen.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No it isn't. You have zero proof to back your ridiculous claim.

Goku used red in the mangs go save on blue.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Beerus=SSR > Black

Beerus is superior to SSR, lol.

And yeah, the manga implies Blue > Red.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Yeah? Goku regenerated as SSR after being stabbed by Beerus.

If blue is supposed to be superior to red or have everything red has but better, it is kinda odd how we never saw Goku or Vegeta regen like that any of the times they were stabbed by Black.

Goku as it seems, did regen against Black when he was stabbed when he got angry, it seemed his injury was gone (Episode 61).

Originally posted by Inedian
Goku as it seems, did regen against Black when he was stabbed when he got angry, it seemed his injury was gone (Episode 61).

True.

Originally posted by Inedian
Goku as it seems, did regen against Black when he was stabbed when he got angry, it seemed his injury was gone (Episode 61).
Was under the impression he just broke out of Black's hold on him during that moment out of strength and willpower, but if he actually healed from that, then cool. Said regeneration is kinda inconsistent or limited though since another impale from Black ultimately did him in (I'm not saying Goku Red has no limits as far as that, but yeah).

Originally posted by Inedian
Goku as it seems, did regen against Black when he was stabbed when he got angry, it seemed his injury was gone (Episode 61).

No he didnt

Originally posted by XSUPREMEXSKILLZ
Beerus is superior to SSR, lol.

And yeah, the manga implies Blue > Red.

They were pretty close, Red is stronger then Blue. The red transformation is the actual god of the saijen race, blue is not.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well regardless of what's better between super saiyan god red or blue, pre-Rose Black (which I assume this thread is about) was only around SSJ2 level, stalemating SSJ2 Goku in their brief fight. Goku Red would stomp based on that, and laugh off Black's stabby stab moves due to his regen.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
Well regardless of what's better between super saiyan god red or blue, pre-Rose Black (which I assume this thread is about) was only around SSJ2 level, stalemating SSJ2 Goku in their brief fight. Goku Red would stomp based on that, and laugh off Black's stabby stab moves due to his regen.

He mysteriously became far more powerful between that confrontation and the Future one, though. At that point he was strong enough to shrug off an assault from SSJB Vegeta...

This is Black as a whole. If he is given the chance to transform then he can transform. I didnt take that away from him.

If anyone goes back and watches the fight btw Beerus and Goku they will see the intensity is way beyond this little crap they are currently doing.

Like this, when they almost destroyed the entire universe.

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Originally posted by carver9
This is Black as a whole. If he is given the chance to transform then he can transform. I didnt take that away from him.
In that case, Black wins here.

What makes you think he wins, what feat does he have over almost destroying the entire universe? What regeneration feats does he have?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No he didnt

Actually it seems he did, because there were no signs of his injury anymore.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
They were pretty close, Red is stronger then Blue. The red transformation is the actual god of the saijen race, blue is not.

No they weren't close. Whis even said that Beerus was always teasing him that he will use full power or even already using it (but actually far from it), just to bring the best out of Goku.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
What makes you think he wins, what feat does he have over almost destroying the entire universe? What regeneration feats does he have?

Yet Red has way better Screen feats, almost destroyed half the universe and fought beerus at 100%, had unlimted ki, could not be damaged by normal attacks at Beerus at 100% besides the surprise attack, and regenerated from it.

Beerus 100%> Black

Name any screen feat SSB has above SSR that tops any of the feats I just described.

SSR is the true transformation. SSB is Goku's modified without help.

Beerus flat out admitted he was at or beyond 100% with SSR.

I know what Akira said, but we dont base it of "said feats" or "writers intent", its based on screen feats.

So we need screen feats to prove Blue or Black is above SSR

Lol, SSB is essentially being in SSG and then going SSJ. SSB is repeatedly stated and confirmed as being superior to SSG, get that through your head

Get it through your head, you have no screen feats to suggest otherwise

PROVIDE A SINGLE SCREEN FEAT OF SSB THAT IS > SSR

If we can use another canon source, which is manga, Hit would've stopped SSR's movement with time stop, if Goku didn't become SSB when he attacked Hit. Whis explained that unique ability such as time stop would work much better when facing someone equal or with lesser power level. Beerus even confused as why Vegeta wasn't able to overcome time stop in SSB, which Whis explained this form can't be used over and over in succession since it consumed a lot of stamina and Vegeta was only able to use 1/10 of his usual SSB strength.


That being said, SSB > SSR. This is the only way to gauge which one is superior. You can say SSR has a better feat such as universe threatening punch, regeneration, or even unlimited ki, which I don't know how you know it (I would like to see the source). But the proof already says otherwise.

Goku never ran out of ki when fighting Beerus, he never powered down even after having a hole punched through him.

Currently whenever Goku or Vegeta take a hard hit, they immediately power down.

The time stop feat pales in comparison to the universe 2 universe threatening punches.

There is simply No way for Black to beat Red, its not even and option, Red will wear him down and destroy him.

I'm not comparing time stop with universe-destroying punches, but the efficiency of the time stop. Whis said time stop work better against opponent with equal or lesser power level. SSR's movement would've been stopped by Hit if Goku didn't turn SSB when he attacked Hit. Besides, Vegeta was annoyed Goku still saved his blue form, when Goku transformed to red, which implies Goku is still saving his strength (SSB).

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yet Red has way better Screen feats, almost destroyed half the universe and fought beerus at 100%, had unlimted ki, could not be damaged by normal attacks at Beerus at 100% besides the surprise attack, and regenerated from it.

Beerus 100%> Black

Name any screen feat SSB has above SSR that tops any of the feats I just described.

SSR is the true transformation. SSB is Goku's modified without help.

Beerus flat out admitted he was at or beyond 100% with SSR.

I know what Akira said, but we dont base it of "said feats" or "writers intent", its based on screen feats.

So we need screen feats to prove Blue or Black is above SSR

The Super Saiyan Goku that fought Beerus when he went from Red hair to yellow hair. Who is more powerful, that version of Goku or Super Saiyan Red Goku. I'm referring to the Goku that lost his red hair during mid battle against Beerus and was fighting him in Super Saiyan form.

Black wins very easily.

Nope

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Goku never ran out of ki when fighting Beerus, he never powered down even after having a hole punched through him.

Currently whenever Goku or Vegeta take a hard hit, they immediately power down.

The time stop feat pales in comparison to the universe 2 universe threatening punches.

There is simply No way for Black to beat Red, its not even and option, Red will wear him down and destroy him.

Goku kept his blue powerup AND Kaio-Ken when Hit just about KO'd him.

Hit is weak sauce.

Goku during his fight against Beerus took a hard hit and powered down. Twice.

Nope