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Is there such a thing? Most politicians are in the pockets of Corporations and Banks, be they right, left or centre in the west and in other countries the ruling oligarchs own the corporations and banks or are monarchies, voting for almost all politicians including both Presidential candidates in the U.S. is almost like Turkeys voting for Thanks giving or Christmas.

Global redistribution of wealth is the only answer... It's not going to happen though and people will continue to die for issues they have no stake in and live in poverty to service their betters.

This is the future, your future, in your jobs. You want a strong leader to obey or you want true democracy.

Time to set up the Guillotines - vive la revolution!

Another Whirly rant.

Let me try to explain it, if you believe in a strong traditional family, patriarchy, some form of christianity, and dont really care about the issues of discrimination since its mostly imaginary, then congratulations, you are a conservative. Now understand that most people believe this usually when they get to their 20s or 30s after realising they may die and children are kind of a good way to pass off your legacy. Now remember that all the news media and tv shows appeal to children and promote everything thats against traditional values. Now you see a left wing bias.

Or, idk, maybe its the only way jews can stop white people from gaining ground.

Originally posted by Negan
Global redistribution of wealth is the only answer...
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House slaves will always be house slaves.

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Both of them are corrupt and in the pocket of the elite.

How is Trump in the pocket of the elite?

He is the elite.

Originally posted by Negan
House slaves will always be house slaves.

Plus remember: you can't make a ho a housewife.

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Originally posted by Surtur
Plus remember: you can't make a ho a housewife.

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Man if Surts could get a woman to work his weed garden he would be all up on making a woman a ho.....

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
How is Trump in the pocket of the elite? ... and Russia.

You resurrected a four year old thread just to bring up your crazy Trump/Russia tin-foil hat conspiracy theory again?

Oh pooty....


You should quit ignoring what's right in front of your eyes and projecting onto Trump what Hillary, Obama, Biden, and other Democrats are actually guilty of.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
You resurrected a four year old thread just to bring up your crazy Trump/Russia tin-foil hat onspiracy theory again?

Oh pooty....


You should quit ignoring what's right in front of your eyes and projecting onto Trump what Hillary, Obama, Biden, and other Democrats are actually guilty of. You want a strong leader to obey, I get it.

Leftists and Liberals have completely different, in large parts opposing, agendas.

a liberal is someone who is against prohibition of whatever, a leftist wants to distribute money wtvr the **** that is, to people who are either in need or simply don't deserve it.

Lol!!!

Originally posted by Blakemore
a liberal is someone who is against prohibition of whatever, a leftist wants to distribute money wtvr the **** that is, to people who are either in need or simply don't deserve it.

Disregarding the framing, that is correct in broad terms. Liberalism historically comes back to the thought of John Locke and is represented by the Republican elements during the French Revolution and people like Thomas Jefferson in the United States. It started as a movement primarily against Feudal Aristocracy and oppressive moral teaching of the Churches. So in a sense for individual freedom in that sense. It also generally centered the rights to property and capitalist modes of production. Leftists on the other hand believe that the mechanisms of distribution in capitalism are unjust and rigged in favor of the people that have much already, and think a fundamental change to a more social system is necessary (whether that a more modest step to a social democracy or some form of socialism is contentious within the left, of course).

Nowadays liberalism focuses a lot on global capitalism, through mechanisms like the WTO, coups in inconvenient countries, and things like that. In terms of modern politics, most politicians of both the Democratic and Republican party are liberals, mostly disagreeing in the way that the elite should govern the masses and using social and moral issues (like racism, abortion, patriotism, free speech) as the battle grounds they fight out this disagreement.

Leftists are a relatively insignificant part of American politics, imo to the detriment of American citizens, but Democrats and Republicans have effectively worked together to undermine and destroy any populist organization over the last 100 years.

All of the founders were deeply religious people.They were not against religion in any way.

In fact, they recognized that our individual, inherent rights come from God, not the government and that the government is merely supposed to protect those rights, not grant them.


But yeah, liberalism in the classical sense is not the same thing as what modern day leftists represent.


I am actually probably much closer to being a classical liberal than modern day leftists are and I'm a conservative lol.

Originally posted by Artol
Disregarding the framing, that is correct in broad terms. Liberalism historically comes back to the thought of John Locke and is represented by the Republican elements during the French Revolution and people like Thomas Jefferson in the United States. It started as a movement primarily against Feudal Aristocracy and oppressive moral teaching of the Churches. So in a sense for individual freedom in that sense. It also generally centered the rights to property and capitalist modes of production. Leftists on the other hand believe that the mechanisms of distribution in capitalism are unjust and rigged in favor of the people that have much already, and think a fundamental change to a more social system is necessary (whether that a more modest step to a social democracy or some form of socialism is contentious within the left, of course).

Nowadays liberalism focuses a lot on global capitalism, through mechanisms like the WTO, coups in inconvenient countries, and things like that. In terms of modern politics, most politicians of both the Democratic and Republican party are liberals, mostly disagreeing in the way that the elite should govern the masses and using social and moral issues (like racism, abortion, patriotism, free speech) as the battle grounds they fight out this disagreement.

Leftists are a relatively insignificant part of American politics, imo to the detriment of American citizens, but Democrats and Republicans have effectively worked together to undermine and destroy any populist organization over the last 100 years.

Great post

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
All of the founders were deeply religious people.They were not against religion in any way.

In fact, they recognized that our individual, inherent rights come from God, not the government and that the government is merely supposed to protect those rights, not grant them.


But yeah, liberalism in the classical sense is not the same thing as what modern day leftists represent.


I am actually probably much closer to being a classical liberal than modern day leftists are and I'm a conservative lol.

The founding fathers were primarily deists and specifically were worried about the churches oppressive power and wrote the constitution to protect individuals natural rights, not necessarily god given.

An example of the founding fathers not believing in god the same way you do is thomas jefferson rewriting the bible without all the supernatural elements, as an anthology of moral parables.

Originally posted by ilikecomics
The founding fathers were primarily deists and specifically were worried about the churches oppressive power and wrote the constitution to protect individuals natural rights, not necessarily god given.

An example of the founding fathers not believing in god the same way you do is thomas jefferson rewriting the bible without all the supernatural elements, as an anthology of moral parables.


No, they were mostly Christian. They absolutely believed in the supernatural God of the Bible and they recognized that our rights come from God. I know you atheists hate admitting it but it's the truth.


I suppose next you'll try arguing that they believed in evolutionary nonsense and that the world, human beings, and the universe came into being without a supernatural Creator which would be another blatant lie. They talked about a divine Creator on numerous occasions.

One of the primary reasons they came here was so that they could be free to practice whatever religion they wanted.

When you say the "oppression of the church" you must be talking about the Roman Catholic Church which I fully agree was oppressive back then but Roman Catholicism is not true biblical Christianity.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
One of the primary reasons they came here was so that they could be free to practice whatever religion they wanted.

When you say the "oppression of the church" you must be talking about the Roman Catholic Church which I fully agree was oppressive back then but Roman Catholicism is not true biblical Christianity. Yes, as parts of Europe moved beyond the need for religion, many people who still needed it did indeed move to the US. You even invented your own.

Thomas Paine was a huge critic of Christianity.

Originally posted by eThneoLgrRnae
No, they were mostly Christian. They absolutely believed in the supernatural God of the Bible and they recognized that our rights come from God. I know you atheists hate admitting it but it's the truth.


I suppose next you'll try arguing that they believed in evolutionary nonsense and that the world, human beings, and the universe came into being without a supernatural Creator which would be another blatant lie. They talked about a divine Creator on numerous occasions.

That's what I hate with Dominionist zealots like you. You act as though everyone who isn't an Abrahamist is an Atheist Anarchist, which is bullshit. Also, you say God must be some supernatural magician, yet there are many, such as Baruch Spinoza, who disagree with interpretation and offer far wiser views of the Divine.

And America's purpose was/is to create a home for BOTH religious and secular freethinkers, rather than dictators and theocrats. Unfortunately, that freethinking was meant to be EMPIRICAL, whereas many Americans think it means IGNORANCE