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Team 2.

Team 2 easily.

Kanan can take Vrook

Zallow or Jinn stomp Atris

Originally posted by carthage
Kanan can take Vrook

Zallow or Jinn stomp Atris lucien draay is in this too btw.

Originally posted by aalyasecura95
lucien draay is in this too btw.

He's spared for wearing the best Jedi costume ever.

Team 2, but Kanan might go down faster than his teammates can beat their opponents.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
He's spared for wearing the best Jedi costume ever.

No, he's spared because Carthage just wants to hate on KotOR II.

I'd give Lucien an edge against Jinn on the basis of sheer power. The guy had some great force feats, but Vrook is basically trash tier and Atris dies to anyone she fights bar Kanan whom she'd lolstomp

Vrook's Force feats shit on team 2's as well, lol.

Not sure how Atris lolstomps people that you think beat Vrook, either, but whatever.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Vrook's Force feats shit on team 2's as well, lol.

No. Not on Jinn's anyways.

Based on what?

Honestly, the river feat. Given Kenobi's strength at the time, the fact that he cannot combat it's current, yet Jinn could, and easily at that, is damn impressive.

Don't see why it'd compare to Vrook's Stasis showing.

I mean, freezing 16 people is nice, but not really outside of Jinn's paygrade.

Think he's talking stasising Surik

You're thinking of Kavar IIRC

Didn't they all collectively put Surik in stasis? I also doubt she'd be trying to fight back extensively.

IIRC, only Vrook gestured

Don't remember enough about how much resistance she put up to comment on that though

Kind of feel she should have been able to break it after being stunned if she could though given didn't Bane do similar on Tython?

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
IIRC, only Vrook gestured

Which can just as easily be interpreted as the shitty KoTOR II animation. Not to mention the other Masters being off screen, IIRC.

Originally posted by ChaosTheory123
Don't remember enough about how much resistance she put up to comment on that though

Kind of feel she should have been able to break it after being stunned if she could though given didn't Bane do similar on Tython?

Even then, though, Surik was vastly pre-prime. And if they stopped their use of Stun, there'd be no reason to assume Meetra wouldn't move along afterwards.

No, it's not KotOR II's shitty animation. Shitty animation means an animation in the first place - the other masters clearly don't move. Only Vrook moves. Even if you put the camera on the Masters.

There's no reason to suspect that she would break out - that's an appeal to ignorance. Even if you try to resist, you still get placed in Stasis. Kreia also moves in to save you. Everything suggests that you were done for - nothing suggests otherwise.

And while the Exile was vastly pre-prime, some of her early game feats are pretty impressive, and she's improved a lot since then.

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Team 2 in a close fight.

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Team 1, good fight.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Team 1, good fight.

Why? lmao

Kanan sucks.

He's still a better lightsaber duelist than anyone in team 1. lmao

At worst, he's talented enough to not be stomped while Qui-God and (M)V(P)en Zallow best the other duo with the sabers.

Atris/Lucien > him, lmao.

That is a serious lowball. Even then, Zallow > Atris and Qui God > Lucien. Kanan can simply entertain himself with the arrogant fooder.

What places Kanan above these dudes?

Beating the Grand Inquisitor in a focused state. Improving throughout season 2 to the point he was promoted to the rank of Jedi Knight. His physical strength being among the SW high tiers along with his TK feats.

Beating the GI should, at minimum, already be enough for him to not be stomped (and thus, allow his teammates to carry his team).

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
He's still a better lightsaber duelist than anyone in team 1. lmaoLol no.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol no.

lol yes.

I would say Draay is above tbh.

There are all above him lol, Atris and Vrook were some of the most skilled and powerful Jedi Masters of their day.

Lmao. Beni dishin' out some Nova tier logic.

Draay is the only one a case can be made, yeah.

What makes Kanan beating the GI better than Atris statlemating Brianna?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Lmao. Beni dishin' out some Nova tier logic. Meanwhile Syn doles out the same lol-tier trash.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Lmao. Beni dishin' out some Nova tier logic.
Yeah, in which post was the contradiction again?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
What makes Kanan beating the GI better than Atris statlemating Brianna?

Are you serious, Urs?

GI was said to have Ventress as his ceilling. Kanan beating him before growing in power clearly puts him there with her, if slightly below. That's enough to be superior to both Atris and Vrook.

Nah he didn't lol.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Are you serious, Urs?

GI was said to have Ventress as his ceilling. Kanan beating him before growing in power clearly puts him there with her, if slightly below. That's enough to be superior to both Atris and Vrook.
Yeah...I don't see how the GI is Asajj level, tbh.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
What makes Kanan beating the GI better than Atris statlemating Brianna?

The fact that GI is knowledgeable on all 7 forms to the extent he can recognize the master who trained you and confirmed to be more powerful then Kanan.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Meanwhile Syn doles out the same lol-tier trash.

But tbh putting a master above a knight simply because they outrank them doesn't fly.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Yeah...I don't see how the GI is Asajj level, tbh.

He's not but he's clearly not too far off.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Yeah...I don't see how the GI is Asajj level, tbh.

Because you don't like? He's inferior to Ventress but he compares. Kanan beating him before growing in power absolutely put him up there close to Ventress, duh.

Now, show me how Brianna is superior to the GI, if you want to make Atris > Kanan.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
The fact that GI is knowledgeable on all 7 forms to the extent he can recognize the master who trained you and confirmed to be more powerful then Kanan.
A master of all 7 forms? So is Kavar- Atris and Vrook are both ahead of him.
That only speaks for Technicl Knowledge, btw.
Yeah, I am talking about dueling

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Because you don't like? He's inferior to Ventress but he compares. Kanan beating him before growing in power absolutely put him up there close to Ventress, duh.

Now, show me how Brianna is superior to the GI, if you want to make Atris > Kanan.
What's the basis for this claim? A author statement? Also, could I see the quote?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova

LMAO, Syn, it's so damn funny tht you say something about Nova's doublestandarts
You
> Plagueis can't be above Valkorion, because the canonocal quote taht put's him above Valk isn't backed up by feats!
> GI is close to Asajj, because an author says so.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
What's the basis for this claim? A author statement? Also, could I see the quote?

I'll see If I can find, it was posted here some weeks ago.

The context of the quote was the explanation that "Ventress was his ceilling (GI) - someone he can come close to, but not surpass." Basically, Ventress was used as the upper limits of the GI abilities.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
I'll see If I can find, it was posted here some weeks ago.

The context of the quote was the explanation that "Ventress was his ceilling (GI) - someone he can come close to, but not surpass." Basically, Ventress was used as the upper limits of the GI abilities.
Fair enough. I still don't take it, 'till I see, who said it how and in which context.

Here, Urs. The direct link to the interview, isn't working anymore.

Thanks.
But it's just his opinion, Bro.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
A master of all 7 forms? So is Kavar- Atris and Vrook are both ahead of him.
That only speaks for Technicl Knowledge, btw.
Yeah, I am talking about dueling

Why are they ahead of him? And I mentioned him being more powerful then Kanan which PAIRED with his technical skill would put him above them unless they have some feat or accolade I'm unaware of.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
LMAO, Syn, it's so damn funny tht you say something about Nova's doublestandarts
You
> Plagueis can't be above Valkorion, because the canonocal quote taht put's him above Valk isn't backed up by feats!
> GI is close to Asajj, because an author says so.

I don't place Valkorion above Plagueis because Valkorion isn't a Sith...

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Thanks.
But it's just his opinion, Bro.

Which is a much better parameter than pure fanon guess, since, well, he's the director.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I don't place Valkorion above Plagueis because Valkorion isn't a Sith...
Do you mean: "Plagueis above Valkorion, because Valk isn't a Sith?"

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Why are they ahead of him? And I mentioned him being more powerful then Kanan which PAIRED with his technical skill would put him above them unless they have some feat or accolade I'm unaware of.
Who? Atris? Atris statlemated Brianna, who seemingly blitzed the Handmaidens(or at least bested them all) who are basically high-class fodder, with Echani Skill and super Pre-Cog.
I don't understand what you mean, tbh.

No. I mean exactly what I said.

I don't place Valkorion about Plagueis because of his status because he's NOT a Sith. Whether I would ignore the quote or not isn't relevant.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Who? Atris? Atris statlemated Brianna, who seemingly blitzed the Handmaidens(or at least bested them all) who are basically high-class fodder, with Echani Skill and super Pre-Cog.
I don't understand what you mean, tbh.

And Kanan has blocked hundreds of blaster bolts and accomplished force feats far beyond either Atris or Brianna.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
No. I mean exactly what I said.

I don't place Valkorion about Plagueis because of his status because he's NOT a Sith. Whether I would ignore the quote or not isn't relevant.
So...
We have a quote that puts Plaggy above any Sith before him.
Valkorion isn't a Sith, so he isn't included in the quote.
Because he isn't included, Plagueis > Valkorion.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
But tbh putting a master above a knight simply because they outrank them doesn't fly. Lol what? You appeared to have ignored the bit about them being among the most powerful and skilled of said masters. Top retardation there Syn. But yeah, the fact that Kanan has only received Padawan-level training is a valid mark against him.

Still looking for why he can compete tbh. The GI isn't a master of all seven forms, just skilled in them, Vrook and Atris were actual lightsaber virtuosos and masters of multiple styles, including Juyo. Kanan probably hasn't mastered any, and given his later performances against the Seventh Sis and Fifth Brother the GI feat is clearly an outlier.

But who cares anyway? They'd both one-shot him with the Force.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And Kanan has blocked hundreds of blaster bolts and accomplished force feats far beyond either Atris or Brianna.
Cool speed feat.
Name me one.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
So...
We have a quote that puts Plaggy above any Sith before him.
Valkorion isn't a Sith, so he isn't included in the quote.
Because he isn't included, Plagueis > Valkorion.


No I never said that. I simply stated that because Valkorion isn't a Sith the quote has no bearing on who's above who.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Cool speed feat.
Name me one.

Name you one what?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol what? You appeared to have ignored the bit about them being among the most powerful and skilled of said masters. Top retardation there Syn. But yeah, the fact that Kanan has only received Padawan-level training is a valid mark against him.

Still looking for why he can compete tbh. The GI isn't a master of all seven forms, just skilled in them, Vrook and Atris were actual lightsaber virtuosos and masters of multiple styles, including Juyo. Kanan probably hasn't mastered any, and given his later performances against the Seventh Sis and Fifth Brother the GI feat is clearly an outlier.

But who cares anyway? They'd both one-shot him with the Force.

And that means nothing without knowings the capabilities of the other Jedi of their day. Plo Koon was one of the most powerful Jedi in the history of the Order and Kanan still has Force feats that are superior to him.

Being skilled enough to recognize who the master who taught you was seems to indicate mastery to me. You can't reverse scale like that. The Seventh Siter and Fifth Brother's impressiveness is based off their feats and not their standing.

Given none of them have feats that even approach Kanan's that's highly doubtful.

A feat that's better then Brainna besting ghe Handmaidens.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And that means nothing without knowings the capabilities of the other Jedi of their day.We do though...

Koon >> Kanan lol.

That's knowledge not skill.

And if the GI > the Fifth Brother and the Seventh Sister, Kanan should be beating both of them.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Given none of them have feats that even approach Kanan's that's highly doubtful. Kanan has no defense against Atris' Force lightning and nothing on incapacitating Meetra with a Force wave or putting her into stasis.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
No I never said that. I simply stated that because Valkorion isn't a Sith the quote has no bearing on who's above who. Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
No. I mean exactly what I said.

I don't place Valkorion about Plagueis because of his status because he's NOT a Sith. Whether I would ignore the quote or not isn't relevant.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
We do though...

Koon >> Kanan lol.

That's knowledge not skill.

And if the GI > the Fifth Brother and the Seventh Sister, he should be beating both of them.

And the only ones who are worth a damn are already confirmed to be above them.

Name me a Force feat of Koon's that is better.

The 5th Brother and 7th Sister were only inferior prior to the GI's death and the gap between them is unknown.

Originally posted by Ursumeles


What's so confusing about this for you?

"I don't place Valkorion above Plagueis because of his status"

See my edit regarding Force powers.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And the only ones who are worth a damn are already confirmed to be above them.Yeah that's not what I was referring to, rather that the era has been described as possessing a body of highly skilled and experienced duelists, even more so than the PT era. So being among the best of that group has considerable worth yes.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111222381/4608238-2426057546-43246.jpg

Kind of what you'd expect from one of the most powerful Jedi in history. mmm

And what proof is there they surpassed him?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Kanan has no defense against Atris' Force lightning and nothing on incapacitating Meetra with a Force wave or putting her into stasis.

Of course he does. He has the speed with which to block it and his main form is Soresu which specialized in doing so.

Meetra at what stage in the game?

Blocking Force lighting involves more than just raising your lightsaber, he actually has to know how to do it. And Soresu doesn't specialise in that at all lol.

And the end dear.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yeah that's not what I was referring to, rather that the era has been described as possessing a body of highly skilled and experienced duelists, even more so than the PT era. So being among the best of that group has considerable worth yes.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111222381/4608238-2426057546-43246.jpg

Kind of what you'd expect from one of the most powerful Jedi in history. mmm

And what proof is there they surpassed him?

You said the quote referred to their power. Not status as duelists.

He landed a push on Ventress. Kanan did the same to Vader with the help of Ezra.

I didn't sat they had. I just stated that their standing is based on their feats and performances against Kanan and not their former inferiority to the GI.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Blocking Force lighting involves more than just raising your lightsaber lol, he actually has to know how to do it.

And the end dear.

Obi Wan blocked it despite having never encountered it prior so I really have no idea what you're referring to.

Only because he saw it employed on Anakin first.

Why does that matter? Force lightning is a fast moving projectile which a lightsaber can block. As are blaster bolts. Precognition and superhuman reflexes allow you to block fast moving projectiles. Kanan has both of those. I don't see why he would be unable to block it.

That's not how it works lol, the lightning has to be drawn onto the blade.

What, with the Force?

Yes it doesn't just magically stick.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You said the quote referred to their power. Not status as duelists.There are quotes that state they were the most powerful and skilled in the Order, naturally the power of the Jedi remaining somewhat constant throughout the ages.

He blew her away, and Kanan only did so with the aid of Ezra and with Vader distracted.

So none then, which means the possibility it was an outlier remains. Not that it matters since as we've already covered he has no proven mastery over the lightsaber forms regardless.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Yes it doesn't just magically stick.

Quote.

Pretty sure that's one of those things that are just generally accepted.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
There are quotes that state they were the most powerful and skilled in the Order, naturally the power of the Jedi remaining somewhat constant throughout the ages.

He blew her away, and Kanan only did so with the aid of Ezra and with Vader distracted.

So none then, which means the possibility it was an outlier remains. Not that it matters since as we've already covered he has no proven mastery over the lightsaber forms regardless.

Provide them for all the combatants on team 1.

Ezra even as of S3 hasn't demonstrated telekinetic power to make his contribution worth much at all. Kanan wasn't distracted, he was cocky but he's not going to lower his defenses during battle even if he thinks the opposition doesn't stand a chance.

The possibility yes but then it's simply your opinion versus mine. And no, it never dismissed the possibility that GI mastered them. I think that's what's indicated given his ability to know Kanan's master by simply clashing blades for a moment.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Pretty sure that's one of those things that are just generally accepted.

I've never met anybody who's ever brought that up. So if it's a KMC thing it's never been brought up to me before.

Regardless even if that is the case then Atris vs Kanan would be an unfortunate match up for Kanan. It doesn't determine which side would win a majority.

Nah, it's common here, tbh.

It makes sense too, but I don't think I ever seen a quote for it.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Regardless even if that is the case then Atris vs Kanan would be an unfortunate match up for Kanan. It doesn't determine which side would win a majority.
And you argued the whole time that Kanan > Atris, lol.

It's only logical considering a lightsaber shouldn't possess those kinds of properties, yeah, and the ability to block Force lightning fluctuates depending on the power of the wielder, not the quality of their weapon.

But there are instances in which its described in this way, for example:

"Malgus interposed his lightsaber, drew the lightning to it, and started walking toward Adraas."

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Nah, it's common here, tbh.

It makes sense too, but I don't think I ever seen a quote for it.

Ah, so nothing but opinion. Gotcha.

Beni posted a quote, actually.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It's only logical considering a lightsaber shouldn't possess those kinds of properties, yeah, and the ability to block Force lightning fluctuates depending on the power of the wielder, not the quality of their weapon.

But there are instances in which its described in this way, for example:

"Malgus interposed his lightsaber, drew the lightning to it, and started walking toward Adraas."

What kind of properties? The ability to absorb energy? Lmao.

And the only times someone's had greater difficulty blocking lightning then another with a lightsaber is dependent on the power of the lightning. I.E. the amount of energy behind it and how much kinetic force that's going to transfer to when hitting the blade.

That doesn't necessitate that you have to draw it toward your lightsaber to block it. Only that Malgus in this instance did.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
And you argued the whole time that Kanan > Atris, lol.

I mean, he is. Vastly. But if he can't defend against a lethal attack then she wins if she can land it on him.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Beni posted a quote, actually.

I'm aware.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I mean, he is. Vastly. But if he can't defend against a lethal attack then she wins if she can land it on him.
No, he isn't. You have yet to prove anything. You didn't posted a feat from Kanan that's superior to Atris'

Originally posted by Ursumeles
No, he isn't. You have yet to prove anything. You didn't posted a feat from Kanan that's superior to Atris'

His asteroid feat is. I thought this would be common knowledge... Here you go.

http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/star-wars-rebels-feat-kanan-and-ezra-throw-some-asteroids.36058/

*sigh* I mean a dueling feat.

Also, that much math in SW? And Narutoforums on mobile is bad.

Atris > Kanan, let's be honest, lol.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
What kind of properties? The ability to absorb energy? Lmao.

And the only times someone's had greater difficulty blocking lightning then another with a lightsaber is dependent on the power of the lightning. I.E. the amount of energy behind it and how much kinetic force that's going to transfer to when hitting the blade.

That doesn't necessitate that you have to draw it toward your lightsaber to block it. Only that Malgus in this instance did. No the ability to draw lightning onto the blade.

Not really, Windu was able to block the kinetic force of Palpatine's lightning yet it was still overloading his attempts to absorb it with Vaapad.

Lol what? So why did he do it then if it was unnecessary? Your grasping at straws here. Kanan is getting fried.

By going pure math, Kanan asteroid feat >>> Vader's cathedral. lol

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No the ability to draw lightning onto the blade.

Not really, Windu was able to block the kinetic force of Palpatine's lightning yet it was still overloading his attempts to absorb it with Vaapad.

Lol what? So why did he do it then if it was unnecessary? Your grasping at straws here. Kanan is getting fried.

The lightsaber doesn't have ability to draw blaster bolts into its blade. Force users with superhuman reflexes precognition seem to do just fine blocking those.

Yes, because of its power. The debate isn't "Is the power of all Force lightning the same?" It's "Can a lightsaber block lightning on its own?" I don't see why that instance would suggest it couldn't or that the difficult Mace has blocking it is for any other reason then the power of the lightning itself.

No idea. Probably to free up the field of space in front of him for movement rather then letting bolts fly all over the place in front and to the sides of him. You're free to have that opinion if you like.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
*sigh* I mean a dueling feat.

Also, that much math in SW? And Narutoforums on mobile is bad.

Defeating the GI.

Yep. And too bad for you.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Atris > Kanan, let's be honest, lol.

Nah.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
By going pure math, Kanan asteroid feat >>> Vader's cathedral. lol

Yep.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Defeating the GI.

Cool. Explain me how beating him ia better then staglemating Brianna.

He's confirmed to be more powerful then Kanan, has the advantage of height and leverage with longer limbs and himself is skilled in all 7 forms of lightsaber combat to the point he could tell Kanan's style near instantly. I'd say Kanan beating him despite the GI holding all of these advantages is better then Atris beating Brianna who beat the echani.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
He's confirmed to be more powerful then Kanan,
Which didn't helped him against Kanan.

Cool. But that doesn't changes his skill.

That soeaks for his technical knowledge, not his fighting ability. Despite that, you already debated with Beni on that.

All five of them, maybe even blitzing them? Nah.

Basically, we have:
> Brianna beating Fodder, who is highly skilled.
> GI being highly skilled.
I don't want to say Handmaidens > GI, of course, but I still don't see how he and Kanan are above Atris/Brianna.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Which didn't helped him against Kanan.

Cool. But that doesn't changes his skill.

That soeaks for his technical knowledge, not his fighting ability. Despite that, you already debated with Beni on that.

All five of them, maybe even blitzing them? Nah.

Basically, we have:
> Brianna beating Fodder, who is highly skilled.
> GI being highly skilled.
I don't want to say Handmaidens > GI, of course, but I still don't see how he and Kanan are above Atris/Brianna.

No but that's not the point. We're assessing KANAN'S abilities as a lightsaber combatant and noting that an opponent he beat in a focused state had greater augmentation then him is relevant.

You're correct. It changes KANAN's skill though.

Technical knowledge is related to combative ability.

What evidence is there to suggest she blitzed them?

Brianna beating 5 skilled fighters with precog is inferior to Kanan defeat a skilled opponent with greater augmentation, height and reach advantage and precog. Not addressing the fact that echani don't have precognition in any form unless Force sensitive.

I'll answer tomorrow.

Syn are you that retarded that you can't grasp the difference between blaster bolts and Force lighting, and why intercepting the latter with a lightsaber is problematic?

This is not rocket science.

Lightning has the problem of being able to possibly pack more power behind it though that shouldn't be a problem given this is Atris. Aside from that the only problem seems to be that it could cover a wider area in front of and to the sides of you and thus constrict your movement.

facepalm

And what about in between those sides darling, are you aware of how wide a lightsaber is?

That really depends on whether or not multiple bolts are produced and if they are aimed in the same area.

Cool, so I guess if Atris fires off more than a couple of bolts aimed in slightly different directions Kanan is screwed then.

No not if she fires off more then a couple of bolts.

She'd have to do so simultaneously and in a constant stream. If they were separate Kanan would have no problem intercepting them. And if they were simultaneous but not actual streams then Kanan could simply dodge or block them all as he did with hundreds of blaster bolts.

I'm talking a constant stream of lightning lasting seconds, Atris shooting multiple of these streams, all of these streams being in separate areas that would make it physically impossible for Kanan to intercept but put him at risk of being hit if he DIDN'T intercept them.

Even then Kanan could just dodge it instead of blocking it which he'd opt to do upon realizing there was no possible way he could block it.

So a constant stream of more than a couple of simultaneous bolts heading in slightly different directions...

Wow so like every Force lightning attack ever? Noted.

Atris can use Storm, so it doesn't matter. Also, we know that you have to draw the Lightning into it, as per Beni's quote, and also Fatal Alliance, which had Chratis' Lightning jumping through Shigar's blade and into the hilt, destroying the lightsaber.

@Beni - Vrook froze her in the later stages of the game but she grows exponentially after that.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
So a constant stream of more than a couple of simultaneous bolts heading in slightly different directions...

Wow so like every Force lightning attack ever? Noted.

That would have hit him anyways*

Regardless as I mentioned he can simple dodge them as well.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Atris can use Storm, so it doesn't matter. Also, we know that you have to draw the Lightning into it, as per Beni's quote, and also Fatal Alliance, which had Chratis' Lightning jumping through Shigar's blade and into the hilt, destroying the lightsaber.

@Beni - Vrook froze her in the later stages of the game but she grows exponentially after that.

Beni's quote simply shows Malgus doing it not that's it's a requirement to be blocked. Also, Thanaton was capable of blocking lightning yet Exal Kressh destroyed the hilt of his blade.

It's cute when you throw shade at me but then get humiliated in threads like this

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Beni's quote simply shows Malgus doing it not that's it's a requirement to be blocked.

It does. It states that Malgus did it in order to block it (or rather, states it in place of "blocking the Lightning". Otherwise, there's no reason for him to do it or even for the author to mention it, lol.



Right. So both Kressh and Chratis show that without doing it properly, you'll still be ****ed by the Lightning.

What was the proof for Kanan's dueling superiority again?

What are you referring to?

Go back on the last page and read my response to Beni. I already offered a possible explanation for why Malgus would draw the lightning to his blade.

The characters who had their hilts destroyed had blocked lightning prior to that point meaning the hilt being destroyed was a result of Kressh/Chratis's actions and not a failiure to enact a certain procedure on the part of their opponents.

Defeating an opponent who is likely a master of the 7 forms, has greater height and reach and who possesses superior augmentation all before improving further over the course of S2 of Rebels.

Btw, how's your debate against DB77 coming?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
That would have hit him anyways*

Regardless as I mentioned he can simple dodge them as well. Or maybe he'll be as retarded and you and try and block it.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Btw, how's your debate against DB77 coming?

Just fine. He's much more complacent now

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
What are you referring to?

Go back on the last page and read my response to Beni. I already offered a possible explanation for why Malgus would draw the lightning to his blade.

To free up space to stop Lightning from flying everywhere? lol Since when has that even happened?



No, the Lightning jumped into the hilts and destroyed them. Which is logically what happens when you don't keep it in the blade.



Kanan's performances against the Inquisitors later suggest that he isn't better than the GI, who he seems to have beaten in a PISy-moment of focus more than anything else.

Also, proof that the Inquisitor is a master of all forms? Not that it matters much, considering that Vrook and Atris are each more skilled than lightsaber virtuosos in an era of expert duelists.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Or maybe he'll be as retarded and you and try and block it.

Is there some reason he couldn't that I'm unaware of?

Not sure whether to laugh or cry lmao.

Originally posted by SunRazer
To free up space to stop Lightning from flying everywhere? lol Since when has that even happened?



No, the Lightning jumped into the hilts and destroyed them. Which is logically what happens when you don't keep it in the blade.



Kanan's performances against the Inquisitors later suggest that he isn't better than the GI, who he seems to have beaten in a PISy-moment of focus more than anything else.

Also, proof that the Inquisitor is a master of all forms? Not that it matters much, considering that Vrook and Atris are each more skilled than lightsaber virtuosos in an era of expert duelists.

Lightning flying everywhere? Pretty much any time Sidious uses FL.

If they'd managed to successfully block it before there's no reason they couldn't have done it again unless it was either a matter of being overpowered or a stray bolt managing to destroy the hilt.

We don't know what the existing gap was between the FB/SS and the GI. It could have been large or they could have been right on his tail. The Inquisitors were also improving throughout the show as well and seemed to hold impressive raw power themselves. It seems logical that they would have progressed at a faster rate given the GI had been trained to Knighthood by the Order prior to joining the Inquisitorius while the FB and SS did not.

He's confirmed to be skilled in all 7. I said he's LIKELY a master of all 7 given he's able to pick out someone's form, fighting style and master from a simple momentary engagement.

Originally posted by Beniboybling


Not sure whether to laugh or cry lmao.

Do you have an actual argument here or are you just going to hide behind insults?

If you're asking if I plan to continue this debate, nah, I've lost enough brain cells in this thread.

Alright. Good luck with whatever you're going to do for the rest of the day Beni.

I make my own luck, fuggot.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Lightning flying everywhere? Pretty much any time Sidious uses FL.

I mean when a lightsaber blocks it, obviously. At most, the Lightning can go everywhere in front of the blade, not behind it (ie. when Morne deflected Krayt's Lightning). Which doesn't give a reason for why you would specifically draw the Lightning into the blade.





Well, the GI was superior to them all by a noticeable amount, so at most, they woul



Eh. Vrook and Atris are both better than Kavar, who's mastered Ataru, Shien, Niman and Juyo and is a lightsaber virtuoso in an age of expert lightsaber duelists. Kavar alone should be above the GI, never mind Vrook or Atris.

As I said, to clear the field of space to the sides of him.

It's fine, but if you could report a finished version of that sentence in your next response I'd appreciate it.

I don't buy the logic that just because they were on Katarr when he wasn't, that they're better.

1. When has Lightning ever gone around the sides of the person?

2. Don't remember what I saying. Probably that the Inquisitors are unlikely to have surpassed the GI. And certainly Kanan would've been constantly growing as well, since you're suggesting that in Season 1 alone he goes from losing badly to the GI to beating him convincingly. He would've certainly outpaced the Inquisitors in growth according to you, so there's no way they would've gone from being markedly inferior to outright challenging him.

What's more sensible is that Kanan had a one-off showing against the GI. That easily reconciles everything else.

3. I'm not using that, lmfao. I have no idea what being on Katarr has to do with lightsaber prowess. Also, Vrook wasn't on Katarr...

I'm referring to the TSL Prima Guide quote which says that the other Masters are more of lightsaber virtuosos than Kavar.

When people are described to be enveloped in a storm of lightning in novels, in the Sidious/Mace fight, in the Vader/Starkiller fight and the storm Bane summoned in PoD filling the entire room.

I actually think I'd disagree there. Each encounter with the GI Kanan markedly improves to the point GI comments on it and Kanan admits he's been practicing.

Fair enough.

1. The Lightning goes everywhere in front of them, not around. Anyways, any successful dispelling of Lightning done with a lightsaber has involved drawing it into the blade. I've yet to see an example of otherwise.

2. Sure, but the last encounter before that had Kanan being markedly inferior. He's not improving so quickly that he can beat the GI so convincingly.

As I said before, if you seriously think Kanan improved that much, then he should still be easily beating the other Inquisitors, since there's no way those ones would've grown at the same rate as Kanan, and as of Kanan beating the GI, they were still inferior to the GI.

Your theory just doesn't reconcile properly. Whereas Kanan's performance against the GI being a one-off fits perfectly.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. The Lightning goes everywhere in front of them, not around. Anyways, any successful dispelling of Lightning done with a lightsaber has involved drawing it into the blade. I've yet to see an example of otherwise.

2. Sure, but the last encounter before that had Kanan being markedly inferior. He's not improving so quickly that he can beat the GI so convincingly.

As I said before, if you seriously think Kanan improved that much, then he should still be easily beating the other Inquisitors, since there's no way those ones would've grown at the same rate as Kanan, and as of Kanan beating the GI, they were still inferior to the GI.

Your theory just doesn't reconcile properly. Whereas Kanan's performance against the GI being a one-off fits perfectly.

In the instances mentioned there were stray bolts that went around them but just wide of hitting their sides. Krayt's a good example of this as well.

Not saying they would have grown at the same rate of course but they did demonstrate a decent amount of power and as I said they would be growing at a faster rate then the GI as they're relatively untrained compared to the full training up to Jedi Knighthood the GI recieved. It makes sense that they may have surpassed the GI sometime into S2.

And for Kanan the only fights we have of him with the Inquisitors was either 2 against 1 or when he had Ezra to worry about.

1. They weren't really at risk of actually enveloping the person, though. They never got further than the lightsaber.

As I said, though, every case of repelling Lightning with a lightsaber seems to involve drawing bolts into the blade.

2. You're not understanding me. Even if they improved to the point that they surpassed the GI, Kanan would've been improving faster. According to you, he was already their better by the end of Season 1 since he's better than the Grand Inquisitor, which gives him a head-start. If he's growing faster than they are, then there shouldn't be a way for them to get close to him in Season 2.

And we can clearly tell whether it's easy for him to beat them or not.

Yeah, probably used the wrong word there. I don't mean they envelop the person, just the space around them.

Malgus is the only example it's specifically mentioned. The other instances were just people blocking singular bolts or not drawing ALL of the lightning to their blade, either because they couldn't or because they just didn't bother to.

2. Oh no you misunderstood, I'm not denying that Kanan was amped to some degree against the GI. Just that the amp wasn't as large as some people make out.

With Ezra? I'd think he'd need to maintain close proximity to him to ensure the Inquisitors don't separate them and end up killing Ezra ( as of S2 ).

1. Malgus is not the only example. There's also AotC Obi-Wan, Mace, Anakin in TCW (and it's explicitly stated that he does so in the junior novel), etc.

I can't think of any examples of the opposite.

2. Amped? I'm not talking about an amp. I'm talking about growth in power. Not sure if you're understanding my point.

Ezra by the end of season 2 can very well hold his own against the Inquisitors though, he even saved Kanan against the Seventh Sister in Shroud of Darkness while simultaneously evading the Fifth Brother, before that the Inquisitors were solidly superior to him.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Malgus is not the only example. There's also AotC Obi-Wan, Mace, Anakin in TCW (and it's explicitly stated that he does so in the junior novel), etc.

I can't think of any examples of the opposite.

2. Amped? I'm not talking about an amp. I'm talking about growth in power. Not sure if you're understanding my point.

1. Can you provide the quotes.

2. Can you elaborate then? Cause I'm saying Kanan was performing slightly better then he would have when he beat the GI and then grew from there at a greater rate then the SS and FB while the SS and FB surpassed the GI sometime in S2. Kanan was superior to either of them individually imo but due to his only performances against them being when he was with Ezra or in a 2v1 this was nwver demonstrated.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
1. Can you provide the quotes.

2. Can you elaborate then? Cause I'm saying Kanan was performing slightly better then he would have when he beat the GI and then grew from there at a greater rate then the SS and FB while the SS and FB surpassed the GI sometime in S2. Kanan was superior to either of them individually imo but due to his only performances against them being when he was with Ezra or in a 2v1 this was nwver demonstrated.

1. Just look at the feats on-screen. They're drawing it into their blade, clearly. Again, can you show me an example where this clearly doesn't happen?

2. You agree that the GI was still above the other Inquisitors as of his death, yes? And you think Kanan is already above the GI?

In other words, Kanan has a huge head-start on the other Inquisitors. Even if the other Inquisitors grow during Season 2, according to you, Kanan's going to grow faster (based on how much better his performance gets against the GI). So it still makes no sense that Kanan has any sort of difficulty with the Inquisitors.

It's obvious that Kanan beating the GI was a circumstantial thing. If you accept it as such, everything else is reconciled. If you pretend that it's just Kanan being better, then you're left with no way to explain his performance against the other Inquisitors later on.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Just look at the feats on-screen. They're drawing it into their blade, clearly. Again, can you show me an example where this clearly doesn't happen?

2. You agree that the GI was still above the other Inquisitors as of his death, yes? And you think Kanan is already above the GI?

In other words, Kanan has a huge head-start on the other Inquisitors. Even if the other Inquisitors grow during Season 2, according to you, Kanan's going to grow faster (based on how much better his performance gets against the GI). So it still makes no sense that Kanan has any sort of difficulty with the Inquisitors.

It's obvious that Kanan beating the GI was a circumstantial thing. If you accept it as such, everything else is reconciled. If you pretend that it's just Kanan being better, then you're left with no way to explain his performance against the other Inquisitors later on.

1. Until you can prove that characters drawing the lightning into their blade is the standard by which Force users block Force lightning I don't have to.

2. At the time of the GI's death? I think he was at least equal or about on the GI's level at that point, yes.

He doesn't. SS only manages to gain an advantage with the use of droids and Kanan has to stick nearby Ezra during 2v2 fights with the Inquisitors.

I didn't say it wasn't circumstantial. I just don't believe it was as circumstantial as some presume.