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1. Force
2. Sabers
3. All-out

Maul
Kenobi
Kenobi

1. Maul
2. Kenobi
3. Not sure tbh

Maul in all.

It should be noted that RotS Obi Wan >> TCW Obi Wan.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
Maul in all. Originally posted by The Ellimist
It should be noted that RotS Obi Wan >> TCW Obi Wan. Source?

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Maul
Kenobi
Kenobi

ROTS Obi Wan stalemates in the first, and beats Maul 10/10 in the rest. Whether it be by virtue of skill or an heroic missteps from his opposition, Maul isn't stealing a single round from Kenobi.

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Dunno. Maul wins if he abuses his Force Advantage.

Maul
Kenobi
Maul

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Source?

You mean besides the part where in one he was a master of a form he didn't even use when he faced Dooku? You mean besides his clear rise in stature on the council and in the order in general? Mace specifically praises him for being the master of a style, when Kenobi was giving him props for inventing a form. You actually believe TCW Kenobi is the same level as ROTS Kenobi?

lol

Maybe Maul (Anakin Force powers are beyond Maul's, and Kenobi stalemated him) I might give it to Maul though based on their showings against one another.

Sabers - Kenobi and easily

All out- Kenobi again, working for it, but decisive

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It should be noted that RotS Obi Wan >> TCW Obi Wan.

It should be noted that SoD Maul >> TCW Kenobi as well

Again Elm, a source please, unless you think K-tard's response is adequate.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
source please,

Star Wars.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Again Elm, a source please, unless you think K-tard's response is adequate.

Dooku's reaction to him in the RotS novelization.

1. Maul maybe, because of the salt amp.
2. Kenobi pushes Maul's shit in.
3. Kenobi.

1. Maul
2. Split
3. Kenobi (he usually keeps a cool head and manages to come out on top).

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Dooku's reaction to him in the RotS novelization. Retconned, naturally.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Retconned, naturally.

How was it retconned? We know that Anakin grew immensely from TCW to RotS, so it isn't too outlandish to think Kenobi did as well; at the least, since the novelization makes it clear he had, there's no reason to believe otherwise.

The retcon here is that Dooku was referring to TCW -> RotS, not AotC -> RotS.

Just because Anakin grew immensely doesn't mean Kenobi would have.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
How was it retconned? We know that Anakin grew immensely from TCW to RotS, so it isn't too outlandish to think Kenobi did as well; at the least, since the novelization makes it clear he had, there's no reason to believe otherwise.

The retcon here is that Dooku was referring to TCW -> RotS, not AotC -> RotS. Because in Canon he was not caught off-guard, having fought Kenobi prior. But then we can't mix continuities like that anyway, if your argument is predicated on doing that.

And Kenobi is not the Chosen One, so yes it's outlandish.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Just because Anakin grew immensely doesn't mean Kenobi would have.

But it lends credibility to the novelization's point that Kenobi has, which stands on its own anyway.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because in Canon he was not caught off-guard, having fought Kenobi prior. But then we can't mix continuities like that anyway.


The RotS novelization exists in both.



It's outlandish that he improved over time?

In either case, it's not just my idea - it's Dooku's.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Just because Anakin grew immensely doesn't mean Kenobi would have.

Sure, give a reason why Kenobi would've stagnated when they were literally doing the same thing.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Sure, give a reason why Kenobi would've stagnated when they were literally doing the same thing. Quote me saying Kenobi stagnated.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Quote me saying Kenobi stagnated.

I didn't use Anakin's growth as proof that Kenobi had, lol.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Quote me saying Kenobi stagnated.

Your phrasing is shit, I thought you mean Kenobi didn't grow at all, not that he didn't grow immensely. In which case I agree, he can't replicate Anakin's learning curve, but he still improved.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The RotS novelization exists in both.No it doesn't.
It's outlandish that he improved to the same or even similar degree to Anakin.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
No it doesn't.


It does. It's been confirmed as canon, and it was C canon under the EU, so it's still a part of Legends.



I don't think I said that (Anakin's improvement was simply legendary); but he did improve by enough for Dooku to notice.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It does. It's been confirmed as canon, and it was C canon under the EU, so it's still a part of Legends.Del Rey has said its Canon where it aligns with the films i.e. anything that's not in the movie =/= Canon. That's not in the movie, so its not-canon.

From AotC to RotS. No shit.

Beni seriously thinks Kenobi didn't improve during the Outer Rim Sieges? Lmao!

"Aligns with" likely means "not contradicted"; if it has to already be in the film, there would be no point in calling it canon or non-canon as it would add no new information.

It doesn't, and I really don't know why people delude themselves into thinking otherwise.

But well done yeah, the novelisations are basically Legends.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Beni seriously thinks Kenobi didn't improve during the Outer Rim Sieges? Lmao! Originally posted by |King Joker|
Quote me Your really shit at reading Zoltan.

Kenobi takes all three. He's got "how to beat Maul" down to a blueprint that even a Padawan can follow with some success.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
It doesn't, and I really don't know why people delude themselves into thinking otherwise.

But well done yeah, the novelisations are basically Legends.

Lol, if your interpretation of "aligns" is, by your own admission, meaningless, then we should defer to mine, which makes sense.

1. Maul ragdolls like always.
2. Either way, maybe Kenobi.
3. Maul.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Lol, if your interpretation of "aligns" is, by your own admission, meaningless, then we should defer to mine, which makes sense. You mean the dictionary definition.

No we shouldn't, because in Disney's official press release, on top of a statement from the Story Group have listed only the movies, the TV shows and content moving forwards as Canon. And the RotS novel isn't consistent with current continuity in the slightest.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Your really shit at reading Zoltan.

Originally posted by Beniboybling

Originally posted by The Ellimist
It should be noted that RotS Obi Wan >> TCW Obi Wan.
Source?

mmm

Either way, or Maul.
Obi-Wan.
Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan mmm RotS Kenobi > TCW Kenobi, but there is no large margin.

Also, Pablo Hidalgo seems to straight up say the novels are not Canon here:

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/705442511137873920

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Dooku's reaction to him in the RotS novelization.

Which is also correct. It notes Kenobi hide his true form from Dooku at first, leading him to believe he still used Ataru. He didn't, he had become a master of Soresu. That along with Mace noting that he had become a master of his form. If he still used Ataru doing the clone wars but wasn't a master yet... how could he be equal to a Kenobi who HAD mastered a form? Odd logic from clownshoes

Originally posted by Beniboybling
RotS Kenobi > TCW Kenobi, but there is no large margin.

Did you just say prove he grew in power. Or has the clownshoes in you subsided now?

Lol sorry? I don't speak returd.

You said, prove he grew in power, but then you admit he did grow in power. So which is it? Hence the clownshoes comment. I thought it was rather apparent he grew in power kiddo

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lol sorry? I don't speak returd. Kt is really a lost cause. I've seen a pic of him as well so he even looks like a doofus.

And clearly incapable of reading as well, yeah.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Maul
Kenobi
Kenobi

Originally posted by quanchi112
Kt is really a lost cause. I've seen a pic of him as well so he even looks like a doofus.

Clownshoes, how do you even show your face on this site? You've been run off of this section of the forum numerous times now. It's truly pathetic. You're just mad I quoted numerous people calling you a moron and the worst debater on the site. I know those numerous quotes got to you, but the bleeding will stop eventually.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Also, Pablo Hidalgo seems to straight up say the novels are not Canon here:

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/705442511137873920


Makes sense.

Further to what he said, TCW pretty much rendered the ROTS Novel's entire depiction of the Dooku vs Anakin and Obi-Wan fight as Non Canon years ago.

And ripped a hole in its version of events in countless other ways.

Maul
Kenobi
Maul

The RotS novel's take on the fight doesn't even remotely align with the film's depiction of it, so yeah, it's not Canon.

@Beni seems like you're right.

Fact is Kenobi fighting off both Maul and Opress in TCW still ranks amongst his greatest feats. Only defeating Mustafar Anakin might be a better feat.

So yeah this idea that ROTS Kenobi is >> TCW Kenobi is becoming more and more baseless in Canon.

I mean he likely improved, sure. But so had Maul by SOD.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Clownshoes, how do you even show your face on this site? You've been run off of this section of the forum numerous times now. It's truly pathetic. You're just mad I quoted numerous people calling you a moron and the worst debater on the site. I know those numerous quotes got to you, but the bleeding will stop eventually. You continue to lie and just make false statements. Your posts are usually eerily similar with the same repetitive insults.

You're all talk and no action. No one respects anything you've ever done and you look like a nerd with buck teeth. Ending your life is the only respectable option you have left.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You continue to lie and just make false statements. Your posts are usually eerily similar with the same repetitive insults.

You're all talk and no action. No one respects anything you've ever done and you look like a nerd with buck teeth. Ending your life is the only respectable option you have left. bwahaha people laughed at your picture for months LOL. So much so, you refused to ever post it again LOL. You're short, ugly and dumb. You're basically the Trifecta of what you don't want to be as a human

Where in the clone wars was he called the master of soresu?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
bwahaha people laughed at your picture for months LOL. So much so, you refused to ever post it again LOL. You're short, ugly and dumb. You're basically the Trifecta of what you don't want to be as a human False, you however have huge teeth that could tear through tree bark. You begged me for Thanos scans you geek. I look down at you.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Maul
Kenobi
Kenobi