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You selfish Bastards

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Nice perspective

What the hell is this? 2:18 onward is especially telling how questions like "How many sick days can I have without having to worry about losing my job?" are presented as unreasonable and a sign of entitlement. Dipshits who make videos like this are the reason socialists and even communists exist and why capitalism gets shat on.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
What the hell is this? 2:18 onward is especially telling how questions like "How many sick days can I have without having to worry about losing my job?" are presented as unreasonable and a sign of entitlement. Dipshits who make videos like this are the reason socialists and even communists exist and why capitalism gets shat on.

Yup.

The core of socialism is fair distribution of resources.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yup.

The core of socialism is fair distribution of resources.
Negative.

The core of socialism is "compulsion" because "it's defining ethic is not equality, but coercion".

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^ Very clear and lucid lecture explaining socialism at Oxford University

Yeah he is the worst candidate ever, but not surprising, he came from the Democratic Party, who supports these sort of things, maybe not as extremely as he does, but still they are extreme to the sense they want to do any of those things. This is the party that has no morals, they removed God from the convention in 2012, and only brought him back into it because they might lose. smh

Originally posted by Stigma
Negative.

The core of socialism is "compulsion" because "it's defining ethic is not equality, but coercion".

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^ Very clear and lucid lecture explaining socialism at Oxford University

Wrong

Try something other than youtube, if your concentration can manage it.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/ 299545537_GA_Cohen_and_the_Ethical_Core_of_Sociali
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https://www.google.no/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjCvoKYmJTQAhVEBSwKHePQBBwQFgggMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.socialiststudies.com%2Findex.php%2Fsss%2Farticle%2Fdownload%2F23580%2F17464&usg=AFQjCNHzw9prfPr9PQ1VCSvwFG6F5EF3-w&sig2=f_GrGQT7mCR4OUWae89gWQ&bvm=bv.137904068,d.bGg&cad=rja

Originally posted by krisblaze
Wrong

Try something other than youtube, if your concentration can manage it.
Actually he's right

Also, my concentration is fine....not sure why you feel the need to display a bit of snarky posturing there. /shrug

I'll check the links when I'll have more free time. If there are some books there, they'd go on my to-read list. Thanks.

This guy believes in communism, he doesn't know the basic's of it.

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The Democratic Party, destroying American wealth one idea at a time.

You guys do know capitalism can be just as if not more selfish right?

Not really no... There is nothing more selfish then taking something from someone who has WORKED for it, and giving it to someone who hasn't!

Originally posted by kevdude
Not really no... There is nothing more selfish then taking something from someone who has WORKED for it, and giving it to someone who hasn't! This is such an oversimplified view it barely merits a response but I will give you the equivalent version for capitalism.

There is nothing more selfish then trying to horde more and more items from a limited resource pool for you own benefit even to the detriment of others.

There an over simplified view of the selfishness of capitalism. Now please come back when you want to have a legitimate discussion on the pros and cons of both Socialism and Capitalism. How we currently have a blended system of them. What aspects are each one good at and bad at and when it is the most appropriate to use which one.

I hope I'm proven wrong but I have a feeling you're most likely going to reply with another simplistic view on why my analogy is wrong and capitalism is the greatest thing ever and socialism is pure evil. Once again hope I'm wrong though.

Originally posted by Newjak
This is such an oversimplified view it barely merits a response but I will give you the equivalent version for capitalism.

There is nothing more selfish then trying to horde more and more items from a limited resource pool for you own benefit even to the detriment of others.

There an over simplified view of the selfishness of capitalism. Now please come back when you want to have a legitimate discussion on the pros and cons of both Socialism and Capitalism. How we currently have a blended system of them. What aspects are each one good at and bad at and when it is the most appropriate to use which one.

I hope I'm proven wrong but I have a feeling you're most likely going to reply with another simplistic view on why my analogy is wrong and capitalism is the greatest thing ever and socialism is pure evil. Once again hope I'm wrong though.

What you discribe as it being selfish capitalism is more crony capitalism.

If I buy something and then decide to 'hord it' for my own benefit then its my choice, its not your choice at all, you didn't work for it under real capitalism, so you have no real reason to think you should tell someeone what to do with it, that is selfish, and its socialism.

There is NOTHING pro for Socialism, it is evil, and should be destroyed. It's killed millions of people worldwide, capitalism have lifted millions out of being poor where socialism never has. I hope you do research and understand there is good and bad ideas, there is no mix of gray..

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Thomas Sowell, as always, on point:

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2016/02/17/the-lure-of-socialism-n2120485

The Lure of Socialism

Originally posted by kevdude
What you discribe as it being selfish capitalism is more crony capitalism.

If I buy something and then decide to 'hord it' for my own benefit then its my choice, its not your choice at all, you didn't work for it under real capitalism, so you have no real reason to think you should tell someeone what to do with it, that is selfish, and its socialism.

There is NOTHING pro for Socialism, it is evil, and should be destroyed. It's killed millions of people worldwide, capitalism have lifted millions out of being poor where socialism never has. I hope you do research and understand there is good and bad ideas, there is no mix of gray.. Yeah it looks like my fears were founded.

You're not actually interested in a legitimate conversation you're more interested in driving a narrative.

Even you're history is story driven and not founded in facts. Capitalism has never caused harm? You need only look back to the unregulated capitalist of the early 20th century to see the type of harm capitalism can cause. The steel, coal, and most manufacturer industries. Heck look at modern sweat shops being funded by capitalist companies looking to increase profits for themselves.

Even your tone of good and evil proves you don't know what you're talking about considering some of America's most successful programs have been socialist in nature like public roads and schools. Yes public schooling is inherently a socialist program and it is major building block for why a lot of people want to tout the USA as a land of possibilities.

Now yes there have been Socialist programs in countries that have also failed but labeling it as pure evil is such an immature stance.

Originally posted by Newjak
This is such an oversimplified view it barely merits a response but I will give you the equivalent version for capitalism.

There is nothing more selfish then trying to horde more and more items from a limited resource pool for you own benefit even to the detriment of others.

There an over simplified view of the selfishness of capitalism. Now please come back when you want to have a legitimate discussion on the pros and cons of both Socialism and Capitalism. How we currently have a blended system of them. What aspects are each one good at and bad at and when it is the most appropriate to use which one.

I hope I'm proven wrong but I have a feeling you're most likely going to reply with another simplistic view on why my analogy is wrong and capitalism is the greatest thing ever and socialism is pure evil. Once again hope I'm wrong though.

Yet you are voting for a candidate who has amassed a gigatic amount of wealth off of selling out america in the name of Capitalism.

Everything you just said falls flat on its face because its a hypocritical stance to who you voted for.

Originally posted by Newjak
Yeah it looks like my fears were founded.

You're not actually interested in a legitimate conversation you're more interested in driving a narrative.

Even you're history is story driven and not founded in facts. Capitalism has never caused harm? You need only look back to the unregulated capitalist of the early 20th century to see the type of harm capitalism can cause. The steel, coal, and most manufacturer industries. Heck look at modern sweat shops being funded by capitalist companies looking to increase profits for themselves.

Even your tone of good and evil proves you don't know what you're talking about considering some of America's most successful programs have been socialist in nature like public roads and schools. Yes public schooling is inherently a socialist program and it is major building block for why a lot of people want to tout the USA as a land of possibilities.

Now yes there have been Socialist programs in countries that have also failed but labeling it as pure evil is such an immature stance.

I thought you was above this...

I never said capitalism has never caused harm, you exaggerate! No system is perfect, All these entitlement programs are a drain on the economy

Most successful programs? The roads? The roads aren't kept up very good.. And public schools? There are shortages: overcrowding and lack of materials both trivial and critical.
What a joke.. That you can't call socialism evil for what it really is, is a deficiency.. Maybe we should call it immoral, since you don't like using evil? But then again that's the same thing.. smh

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Yet you are voting for a candidate who has amassed a gigatic amount of wealth off of selling out america in the name of Capitalism.

Everything you just said falls flat on its face because its a hypocritical stance to who you voted for. Trump doesn't do his best to line his pockets greedily either?

Originally posted by kevdude
I thought you was above this...

I never said capitalism has never caused harm, you exaggerate! No system is perfect, All these entitlement programs are a drain on the economy

Most successful programs? The roads? The roads aren't kept up very good.. And public schools? There are shortages: overcrowding and lack of materials both trivial and critical.
What a joke.. That you can't call socialism evil for what it really is, is a deficiency.. Maybe we should call it immoral, since you don't like using evil? But then again that's the same thing.. smh Considering how much public school has done things like increase our literacy rate I'm going to call it a success.

Unless you're saying you want to get rid of public schools and privatize it? Which is silly.

And public schools aren't the only. Even the military itself is a socialist program. You're not about to trash the military are you?

It's thanks to public schools that America used to top the world charts in literacy and had the highest rate of high school graduation in the 70s.

I'm not saying that it has been carried out particularly well or anything, but the initiatives themselves were socialist and immensely successful.

Originally posted by Newjak
Trump doesn't do his best to line his pockets greedily either?

I'm sure he does, but let me show you the difference with an example from this election: people whined when they found out a businessman took advantage of a legal way to avoid paying a high amount of taxes.

People whined over that, but all this shady shit with Hilary is just "meh, she's not Trump though!". When it's the Clinton's greed, it's just one big "meh".

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm sure he does, but let me show you the difference with an example from this election: people whined when they found out a businessman took advantage of a legal way to avoid paying a high amount of taxes.

People whined over that, but all this shady shit with Hilary is just "meh, she's not Trump though!". When it's the Clinton's greed, it's just one big "meh". No people whine over Clinton as well. My friends and I spend half our time saying how much we hate that Clinton has made it this far.

The difference is that we can see both candidates for the messes they are but still see that objectively Trump is just as bad morally Clinton but is still the worse candidate of the two.

Originally posted by Newjak
No people whine over Clinton as well. My friends and I spend half our time saying how much we hate that Clinton has made it this far.

The difference is that we can see both candidates for the messes they are but still see that objectively Trump is just as bad morally Clinton but is still the worse candidate of the two.

Okay when I'm talking about people I guess I'm talking about overall the mainstream media and stuff like that. It took all these emails being released and people getting lucky in terms of finding stuff on Athony Weiners device and just all this stuff before this really started getting talked about a lot more.

Which even then most of the time that talk was about how Hilary is being wronged.

Though even here on this forum people take it to strange extremes. Trump is branded a rapist for the audio recordings, but people call the fact people in the Clinton Campaign were planning to start riots at rallies "trolling".

It's that type of shit that worries me about Clinton. This horrible behavior(in the context of a politician, I mean I don't think she is a serial killer or something) has been greatly minimized. I find that to be more dangerous than anything Trump represents.

Originally posted by Newjak
You guys do know capitalism can be just as if not more selfish right?

Trump is more of a socialist then Hillary. He provides social well being to his employees.

Clinton generates money out of thin air just by speaking and the hording the money all to herself, she is a extreme capitalist.

You don't even believe the stuff you are really saying.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Trump is more of a socialist then Hillary. He provides social well being to his employees.

Clinton generates money out of thin air just by speaking and the hording the money all to herself, she is a extreme capitalist.

You don't even believe the stuff you are really saying.

Speaking of socialists, have you seen this? Bernie supporter escorted off stage for bringing up Clinton's Wall Street ties.

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Thats what the disintegration of freedom of speech looks like. Which liberals are all for.