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For this thread I'll be slowly sifting through my rankings for the most commonly used SW versus characters. With each new character I'll adjust my rankings accordingly. Once I get through all the character I or anyone else can think of I'll present a master list in a following thread. Enjoy.

I am inclined to do something as well, but my Opinions change to much.
And Deronn would kill me for my Jacen wank, LAWL.

RAA1xgTTw9w

We can use it against him.

The only thing I need to use against him is his addled brain.

> Syndicate
> brain
mmm

Are you sure?

I don't see how you guys aren't board with these rankings, seeing as they are the same thing over and over and over again with the same exact characters just maybe in different places. Don't you guys get bored of this?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
I don't see how you guys aren't board with these rankings, seeing as they are the same thing over and over and over again with the same exact characters just maybe in different places. Don't you guys get bored of this?

Don't you get bored with your boring fodders?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Don't you get bored with your boring fodders?

This has what to do with ranking characters? Nothing.

I'm just saying though, do what you will, but I'd be kinda bored if there were always questions of "Rank X and Y characters" every few months or so.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
I am inclined to do something as well, but my Opinions change to much.
And Deronn would kill me for my Jacen wank, LAWL.

Jacen is almost as bad as Arcann.

U are almost as bad as Neph :P

At least I don't have the personality of a toilet paper. lmao

Like Malgus?

Dooku

Solid Feats

Force

Collapses a cave.
Dominated Vos with TK.
Dominated Obi Wan with TK.
Dominated Ventress with TK.
Collapsed a bridge with a gesture.
Raised around a dozen stone obelisks.
Redirected a sandstorm generated by Anakin Skywalker.
Regularly overcomes the force defenses of powerful Force users.
Pushed back a late CW Anakin and Obi Wan who were both actively shielding themselves.

Lightsaber Combat

Defeats Bulq and Tholme simultaneously.
Manages to last a decent length of time against Yoda.
Stalemates or beats both Anakin and Obi Wan throughout the Clone Wars.
Stated to be the greatest lightsaber duelist in the Order's history bar Mace and Yoda.
Dooku's were confirmed to have grown substantially on turning to the Darkside.

Debatable Feats

Force

Torturing Ventress on Vjun: This feat is questionable for two reasons. The first is that the feat takes place on a DS nexus and therefore we don't know how amped the two opponents were in comparison to each other as it's unclear if the bonus one receives from being on a nexus is additive or multiplicative. Also as with many scenes of master dominating apprentice we do not know if the inferior simply allowed their master to do what they wanted for fear of disobeying and being ousted.

Matching Yoda In A Contest of the Force: While there are many quotes that support his parity with Yoda it's more likely the case that Yoda believed he could incapacitate Dooku more quickly in a lightsaber bout then a clash of the Force. While this is impressive given Dooku was able to last against him in the latter regard it is not as impressive as some people make it out to be.

Dooku's Manipulation of Frigates on Korriban: Two problems arise in this feat. The first being the author's tendency to call any vehicle in their novel a "frigate" and thus our not being able to know the size of the ships Dooku moves. And the second being the fact that Dooku was amped.

Lightsaber Combat

Dooku's Performance Against Yoda on Vjun: Amped performance.

Dooku's Performance Against His Acolytes: Dooku has noted that he keeps secrets from his apprentices just in case they should ever betray him. This is made evident both when he keeps the knowledge of how to defend against Force Lightning from Savage and refuses to teach Ventress more or make her a real Sith apprentice. His performances are thus logically going to be better against opponents he taught and shaped, who's weaknesses they know.

Current Rankings

Force Users

1. Dooku.

Lightsaber Combatants

1. Dooku.

Overall Combatants

1. Dooku.

Cruiser*

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Like Malgus?

GodMalgus cannot be touched. Deal with it.

Galen Marek

Solid Feats

Force

Dominates Vader with TK.
Guides the descent of a Star Destroyer.
Casually buckles docks and clears away armies with gestures.
Destroys multiple several story supports for an orbital superstructure.
Almost completely negates the effects of Sidious's Force lightning at full power.
A continuous force push from a pre prime Galen causes a groundquake and artifical hurricane.
Casually hurls hundreds ( possibly thousands in one instance ) of droids multiple times in the novel.

Lightsaber Combat

Defeated Darth Vader after having let go of his hatred.
Confirmed to have improved his skills throughout the novel.
Stated to have nearly perfected lightsaber combat prior to the events of TFU.

Debatable Feats

Force

Overcharging an Ore Cannon To Pierce the Hull of an ISD: We do not know if the ISD had its shields activated since it had recently been made there on Raxus Prime.

Galen's Musings: Galen mused he could collapse a replica of the Jedi temple in his first mission to Raxus Prime and then musing he could tear apart the Death Star superlaser on the Death Star. While it's likely that he could have accomplished both these tasks due to his feats prior to this point there's no way to no for sure.

Lightsaber Combat

Galen's Fight With Shaak Ti: The comic and novel seem to disagree on the force alignment of Felucia around this time.

Current Rankings

Force Users

1. Galen Marek.
2. Dooku.

Lightsaber Combatants

1. Dooku.
2. Galen Marek.

Overall Combatants

1. Galen Marek.
2. Dooku.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Cruiser*

Fugg.

Too late now.

@TenebrousWay Malgus: Raw, raw wanna kill!
Jacen: Obe of the best characters in the EU. Read Traitor. Deal with it

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
RAA1xgTTw9w

Who should I do next?

Caedus

Do Vader, Maul, Obi Wan and Windu next

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Caedus

U cheeki breeki.

How bored are you to make two sock accounts per day

@Syn Is Caedus now the next?

Nah, not really
Have a nice day

Yeah he's next Urs.

Originally posted by I Can't Quit
how bored r u

Very.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Jacen: Obe of the best characters in the EU. Read Traitor. Deal with it

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif
At least better than shitty TOR faqqs

Originally posted by Emperordmb






Emp trying so hard to goad Beefy he's actually goading himself.

Beefy? wtf?

Without the habitual tr00ling, I want to see where do you rank Bane, Malak and Maul.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Without the habitual tr00ling, I want to see where do you rank Bane, Malak and Maul.
Bane dies, Maul dies, Malak dies.
Obvious duh

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Bane dies, Maul dies, Malak dies.
Obvious duh

Vitiate dies twice.

Caedus

Solid Feats

Force

Flipped over a 40 meter ship.
Logically grew in power after that point.
Pinned Luke Skywalker to a wall for a brief period.
Collapsed a cave by unleashing a blast of Force lightning.
Was stated by both Luke and a canonized quote to have surpassed Vader.

Lightsaber Combat

Demonstrated blatant superiority to all lightsaber combatants in his era barring Luke.

Debatable Feats

Force

N/A.

Lightsaber Combat

Managed to last against GM Luke with circumstances.

Current Rankings

Force Users

1. Galen Marek.
2. Caedus.
3. Dooku.

Lightsaber Combatants

1. Caedus
2. Dooku.
2. Galen Marek.

Overall Combatants

1/2. Caedus/Galen Marek.
3. Dooku.

Caedus pinned an injured Luke against a wall, for very short time. Just that you know

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Was stated by canonized quote to have surpassed Vader.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

Noice.

Do you want the quote?

Originally posted by ares834


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Quotes that clarify something I'm not certain on or affirm positions that I already had I accept. Ones that directly contradict established limits are thrown out.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Do you want the quote?

Sure.

Okay.
It is in some book. Go and find it yourself

Lmao. Noice.

Not overly impressive, as Luke frees himself easily, but still noice.
"His hearing faded and his head began to spin, and he saw Jacen, one hand still raised to keep Luke pinned, sneering and taking his time rising."
-Inferno

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Galen Marek

Solid Feats

Force

Flipped over a 40 meter ship.
Logically grew in power after that point.
Pinned Luke Skywalker to a wall for a brief period.
Collapsed a cave by unleashing a blast of Force lightning.
Was stated by both Luke and a canonized quote to have surpassed Vader.

Lightsaber Combat

Demonstrated blatant superiority to all lightsaber combatants in his era barring Luke.
LOL

Glad you commented tbh because the timer on that edit almost ran out.

Also, you should add besting Kyle's strike team and beating/statlemting Jaina while injured to Lightsaber combat.

those are some phenomenal feats

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
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Quotes that clarify something I'm not certain on or affirm positions that I already had I accept. Ones that directly contradict established limits are thrown out.

I'm laughing because it's not canon

Especially as he was injured and distracted against Kyle, and half-dead against Jaina, lol.

Originally posted by ares834
I'm laughing because it's not canon

Oh yeah. I forgot you and some others are really nitpicky with those terms.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Especially as he was injured and distracted against Kyle, and half-dead against Jaina, lol.

That's pretty much encompassed in > lightsaber combatant then anybody bar Luke.

Plus the timer ran out.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
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Quotes that clarify something I'm not certain on or affirm positions that I already had I accept. Ones that directly contradict established limits are thrown out.
I'm sorry, but that seems like a really arbitrary way of counting quotes.

You're referring to Disney canon right?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I'm sorry, but that seems like a really arbitrary way of counting quotes.

Not really. If it was already evident by established limits then it just affirms the position. If it clarifies an ambiguous comparison then all the better.

Quotes that are outright contradicted by established limits are obviously unusable. I mean Bane > Vitiate? Lmao.

To me its sounds like what you're saying is "If the quote supports my opinion I accept it, if I don't care enough one way or the other I accept it, if it goes against what i'd believe otherwise I don't accept it"

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You're referring to Disney canon right?

No. I was referring to "EU canon".

Originally posted by Emperordmb
To me its sounds like what you're saying is "If the quote supports my opinion I accept it, if I don't care enough one way or the other I accept it, if it goes against what i'd believe otherwise I don't accept it"

It's not about caring or bias. It's about math.

If a demonstrated limit occurs and they are shown to be below another person's demonstrated limit and then that's confirmed that's good.

If a limit is not established for a comparison between two people then a quote establishes a base limit ( > or < ) at least greater by a minimum margin. At least lesser by a minimum margin.

If limits are demonstrated and one is shown to be superior to another and a quote contradicts that then I side over the established limits rather then the source in question.

Originally posted by ares834
No. I was referring to "EU canon".

It is EU canon...

Unless you're referring to one Im unaware of, it is not.

Do you know the one I'm referring to?

Post it.

Ant has it. It's the inner cover quote.

qtired

Just as I figured.

And that's canon...

Nope.

Evidence?

The fact that they are advertisements full of hyperbolic language to try and sell the book and that they often contradict actual canon material (sometimes even the book they are on).

Evidence other then your own opinion?

Common sense and logic.

So nothing. Gotcha.

Actually, it's quite a bit more than anything to suggest they are canon.

If they're contradicted then you don't take them of course but that's no reason to discount other sources of that sort.

That's like saying one work that doesn't fit in with the rest of the universe invalidated the universe as a whole.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Pinned Luke Skywalker to a wall for a brief period.
Never happened in the way you're suggesting.

Even assuming we take blurbs at face value, having a "greater command of the Force than Vader", can simply be referring to mastery rather than strength in it.

The quote is ambiguous enough to be open to multiple interpretations.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Never happened in the way you're suggesting.

And what way am I suggesting...

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Even assuming we take blurbs at face value, having a "greater command of the Force than Vader", can simply be referring to mastery rather than strength in it.

The quote is ambiguous enough to be open to multiple interpretations.

I would agree but paired with Luke's statement it's enough for me to put him above in regards to the Force.

Caedus would defeat Vader in a fight, get mad nerds!!!!

Vader

Solid Feats

Force

Collapsed a large cathedral.
Caught two TIE fighters mid flight.
Was stated to have been second only to Sidious.
Broke through the force defenses of 3 Jedi simultaneously.
Was confirmed to have grown in power after these events.

Lightsaber Combat

Dueled 4 Jedi simultaneously cutting down one and overwhelming the others.
Survived against dozens of Jedi and killed several of their number before reinforcements arrived.
Possesses all the skill and experience of Anakin Skywalker along with his own decades of experience and skill he gained by hunting down Jedi during the Purge.

Debatable Feats

Force

Telekinetically affected Starkiller to an unknown extent in various game versions.

Lightsaber Combat

Outdueled Starkiller: This is questionable for two reasons. The first being that Starkiller had used an unknown but undeniably great amount of energy fighting his way to Vader and second being Juno's presence nearby.

Current Rankings

Force Users

1. Galen Marek.
2. Caedus.
3. Vader.
4. Dooku.

Lightsaber Combatants

1. Caedus
2/3. Dooku/Vader.
4. Galen Marek.

Overall Combatants

1/2. Caedus/Galen Marek.
3 Vader.
4. Dooku.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Collapsed a large cathedral.

Was stated to have been second only to Sidious. .
Never happened.

Pretty sure this was referring to standing within the Empire. Quote me and I'll confirm one way or another.

What never happened?

The cathedral feat.

He collapsed an unquantifiable portion of the labyrinth, not the entire cathedral.

Also, quote for the second thing?

That moment when you realize you have Galen higher as a duelist than Syndicate does.

Giving it took days to dig him free of the debri IIRC, it had to be to be a significant chunk, lmao.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Giving it took days to dig him free of the debri IIRC, it had to be to be a significant chunk, lmao.
The text stated it took days to find him, not that it took days to dig for him.

Vader's status could have been unknown for days until the Empire realized whats up and then started looking.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The cathedral feat.

He collapsed an unquantifiable portion of the labyrinth, not the entire cathedral.

Also, quote for the second thing?

I'll have to look into that.

The edit option already expired unfortunately. Regardless, it doesn't change where I place him.

https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/17/73/92/12/vader_10.png

But yeah, this isn't Force power-based, lmfao.

Do Luke

...what? Sure it is.

Maul

Solid Feats

Force

Collapsed an outpost.
Dragged a transport off a cliff.
Threw back a small army of droids.

Lightsaber Combat

Matched both TPM Kenobi and Qui Gon Jinn ( TPM ).

Debatable Feats

Force

Threw Back an Army of Clones With His Brother: We don't know how much power was provided by the brothers individually to accomplish the feat.

Dominated Kenobi With TK: This is questionable because he has never demonstrated power on this level anywhere else and he grows especially enraged at the though of what Kenobi took from him.

Lightsaber Combat

Contended With Late CW Grievous: Questionable because both fights were cut short and Maul was amped for one of them.

Showed Superiority Over Mid CW Kenobi: Questionable because Kenobi had just been physically beaten though Maul was suffering his own hinderances at the time.

Current Rankings

Force Users

1. Galen Marek.
2. Caedus.
3. Vader.
4. Dooku.
5. Maul.

Lightsaber Combatants

1. Caedus
2/3. Dooku/Vader.
4. Galen Marek.
5. Maul.

Overall Combatants

1/2. Caedus/Galen Marek.
3 Vader.
4. Dooku.
5. Maul.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://i37.servimg.com/u/f37/17/73/92/12/vader_10.png

But yeah, this isn't Force power-based, lmfao.

That's not the quote I'm referring to.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
...what? Sure it is.
What? No it's not.

I mean. It seems like that's what it's saying to me tbh.

Why not? The line that precedes it details how imposing Vader is. That line could easily be followed up by, "that's because he's the second most powerful dude in the galaxy", which taken literally makes perfect sense. Why is this an issue, again? Who exactly is the other contender for #2...?

Gethzerion presumably. Potentially Kar Vastor or one of the Lost Sith tribe members.

"Thrawn is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor."

"Tarkin is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor."

These work perfectly.

---

Establishing Darth Vader's power would be pointless for an article on Star Wars Galaxies.

What's relevant is establishing his status within the empire and the galaxy at large.

Obi Wan

Solid Feats

Force

Lifted multiple tons of rubble.
Manipulated a large ship telekinetically.
Helped to slow the descent of a large airship.
Matched a hindered Anakin's force push.

Lightsaber Combat

Defeated Grievous.
Contended with Dooku.

Debatable Feats

Force

Countering Dooku: Sources seem to disagree on whether or not Obi Wan could have escape Dooku's grip given enough time to gather his own energies.

Lightsaber Combat

Fight With Anakin: Fight riddled with circumstances on both sides. Impossible to judge.

Current Rankings

Force Users

1. Galen Marek.
2. Caedus.
3. Vader.
4. Dooku.
5. Maul.
6. Obi Wan.

Lightsaber Combatants

1. Caedus
2/3. Dooku/Vader.
4/5. Obi Wan/Galen Marek.
6. Maul.

Overall Combatants

1/2. Caedus/Galen Marek.
3 Vader.
4. Dooku.
5/6. Obi Wan/Maul.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
"Thrawn is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor."

"Tarkin is an imposing figure. In the entire galaxy, he is second in power only to the Emperor."

These work perfectly.

---

Establishing Darth Vader's power would be pointless for an article on Star Wars Galaxies.

What's relevant is establishing his status within the empire and the galaxy at large.

And that's fine but that's not the quote I was referring to.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
4/5 Obi Wan/Galen Marek.
http://i.imgur.com/q3iCWqE.gif

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
And that's fine but that's not the quote I was referring to.
Then can you link it?

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://i.imgur.com/q3iCWqE.gif

I honestly almost put him on Dooku's level.

( Btw have you ever seen Gran Torino? )

Ant probably has a car with a gay spoiler on it.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Then can you link it?

"Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, has instilled terror throughout the galaxy since the beginning of the Empire. His devotion to the Emperor and mastery of the dark side gives him more power than any single individual in the galaxy except for the Emperor himself." - Shadows Of The Empire.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Ant probably has a car with a gay spoiler on it.

I mean. I'm sort of legitimately curious how many people use that gif and haven't seen the move.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Then can you link it?

http://www.rebelscum.com/soteKxizor-vader.asp

He's talking about this

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
"Darth Vader, Dark Lord of the Sith, has instilled terror throughout the galaxy since the beginning of the Empire. His devotion to the Emperor and mastery of the dark side gives him more power than any single individual in the galaxy except for the Emperor himself." - Shadows Of The Empire.
Even that quote doesn't seem to be referring to Force power, since Xizor's quote reads:

"Since entering the service of the Emperor, the Dark Prince is widely considered one of the powerful individuals in the galaxy."

If Vader's quote just read "mastery of the dark side," then yeah, but the "devotion to the Emperor" part makes it murky.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Why not? The line that precedes it details how imposing Vader is. That line could easily be followed up by, "that's because he's the second most powerful dude in the galaxy", which taken literally makes perfect sense. Why is this an issue, again? Who exactly is the other contender for #2...?

None.

Mace Windu

Solid Feats

Force

Slowed a landslide.
Pushed an ATET over a cliff.
Knocked down an enormous door.
Pushed back a mass of droids in a several meter radius.

Lightsaber Combat

Was driven back by a weakened Talzin.
Has implied parity with Dooku in multiple quotes.
Stated to be the second best duelist in the Order pre RotS.
Contending with pre prime Ventress for a decent length of time.
Contending with a hindered Grievous for a decent length of time.

Debatable Feats

Force

Tanked Sidious's Lightning: This is debatable because it's unclear if Mace retained his amp whilst he was being electrocuted or if his amp had faded by that point.

Lightsaber Combat

Contending With Dooku: Their engagement was too brief to gauge.

Current Rankings

Force Users

1. Galen Marek.
2. Caedus.
3. Vader.
4. Dooku.
5. Mace Windu.
6. Maul.
7. Obi Wan.

Lightsaber Combatants

1. Caedus
2/3. Dooku/Vader.
4/5/6. Mace Windu/Obi Wan/Galen Marek.
7. Maul.

Overall Combatants

1/2. Caedus/Galen Marek.
3 Vader.
4. Dooku.
5. Mace Windu.
6/7. Obi Wan/Maul.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Even that quote doesn't seem to be referring to Force power, since Xizor's quote reads:

"Since entering the service of the Emperor, the Dark Prince is widely considered one of the powerful individuals in the galaxy."

If Vader's quote just read "mastery of the dark side," then yeah, but the "devotion to the Emperor" part makes it murky.

You can interpret it in the way you want I guess.

So why do you completely ignore Windu's best feat?

Originally posted by ares834
So why do you completely ignore Windu's best feat?


Should correct that to feats. Not only did Windu compete with Sheev's technical skill, but Windu also tanked Sheev's lightning for a decent amount of time.

I'm not including solely amped feats. Maul's I kept in because he had dueled with Grievous inconclusively off nexus.

Originally posted by Emperordmb


Should correct that to feats. Not only did Windu compete with Sheev's technical skill, but Windu also tanked Sheev's lightning for a decent amount of time.

I don't find Sidious's technical skill to be as impressive as the rest of you and therefore I don't think it's a feat worthy of mention with the others I provided.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
I don't find Sidious's technical skill to be as impressive as the rest of you
mmm

"Sidious is a master of every weapon and every style."

mmm

Yep. As are battlemasters and weapon masters. Without seeing him go up against somebody who has around equal power and thus equal augmentation I can't put him higher then your average weapons master or battlemaster.

Yeah Ant remember, iirc Syn has Ventress>Sheev in skill

I think I'll do Bane next.

Syn's trying to pull me back into the cave...

In case anyone didn't know, I'm making an allegory of the cave reference

Bane

Solid Feats

Force

Knocked over some tents.
Killed 3 mercenaries with lightning.
Was capable of choking RoT Zannah.

Lightsaber Combat

Zannah's superior in a duel.

Debatable Feats

Force

Nearly every one of Bane's Force feats not mentioned above.

Lightsaber Combat

Contending With Kas'im: The impressiveness of the feats depends if a nexus boost is multiplicative or additive.

Current Rankings

Force Users

1. Galen Marek.
2. Caedus.
3. Vader.
4. Dooku.
5. Mace Windu.
6/7. Bane/Maul.
8. Obi Wan.

Lightsaber Combatants

1. Caedus
2/3. Dooku/Vader.
4/5/6. Mace Windu/Obi Wan/Galen Marek.
7/8. Bane/Maul.

Overall Combatants

1/2. Caedus/Galen Marek.
3 Vader.
4. Dooku.
5. Mace Windu.
6/7/8. Bane/Obi Wan/Maul.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Syn's trying to pull me back into the cave...

In case anyone didn't know, I'm making an allegory of the cave reference

I liked the reference.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Never happened in the way you're suggesting.
Wait, really?
Didn't he pinned him in the Vong Torture object? Pretty sure it said "bad Idea" after that"- which is imo suggesting, that he shouldn't have tried to do that.

He pinned him with a Vong torture object.

In other words, Caedus used the force to get an object and hurled it at Luke.

He then used the object to pin Luke against the wall.

Thus, he never broke Luke's Force shields in the process of the pinning.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He pinned him with a Vong torture object.

In other words, Caedus used the force to get an object and hurled it at Luke.

He then used the object to pin Luke against the wall.

Thus, he never broke Luke's Force shields in the process of the pinning.

Seems like semantics if Luke didn't immediately break free from being crushed between a wall and some object

If he had to counter with his own TK and needed to exert some effort, Caedus wouldn't need to break his Force shields for the feat to be substantial

That said, **** if I know the actual context of the feat, just offering a scenario where your judgment lacks relevance *shrugs*

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
He pinned him with a Vong torture object.

In other words, Caedus used the force to get an object and hurled it at Luke.

He then used the object to pin Luke against the wall.

Thus, he never broke Luke's Force shields in the process of the pinning.
Fugg, I remembered it false.

Luke never tried to break free from it with telekinesis. He used his lightsaber.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Luke never tried to break free from it with telekinesis. He used his lightsaber.

Fair enough

Yeah, he used a Vong object, but still pinned him.
Well, nobody cares for Syns ranking, so I am only a little bit sorry....

I would have Caedus in the same place regardless.

Who should I do next?

One of them:
Jaina
Mara
Cade
Krayt
Revan
Sirak
JKBart

Sorry, not doing JKBart or any other entities for this list.

Do Luke, then.

Alright. Luke and I'll go in order down your list.

You are so easy to manipulate

U know it bb.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Lightsaber Combat

Was driven back by a weakened Talzin.
Has implied parity with Dooku in multiple quotes.
Stated to be the second best duelist in the Order pre RotS.
Contending with pre prime Ventress for a decent length of time.
Contending with a hindered Grievous for a decent length of time.

Lmao. Knew this list gona be 6 tons of crap.

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Lightsaber Combat

Was driven back by a weakened Talzin.
Has implied parity with Dooku in multiple quotes.
Stated to be the second best duelist in the Order pre RotS.
Contending with pre prime Ventress for a decent length of time.
Contending with a hindered Grievous for a decent length of time.


Yeah, LMAO.
Especially "contending"

LOL @ "contending with a pre-prime Ventress" when he kicked her shit in

I'm referring to their second engagement.

You know that Mace is >> Ventress. Or?

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Lmao. Knew this list gona be 6 tons of crap.

I mean. That's how he did. Pretty solid feats honestly.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
You know that Mace is >> Ventress. Or?

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova

Do you?

Do I what?

Do you agree that Mace is above Asajj by an considerable marigin?

Heh. You are talking to the guy who has Grievous > Mace. He's like the 3rd most biased active user here.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Do you agree that Mace is above Asajj by an considerable marigin?

I have Mace exactly where he deserves to be.