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No prep.
No BFR.

http://www.lovethispic.com/uploaded_images/the_sentry.jpg

Mystics are hard to gauge with Sentry. Strange screwed with him once (although not a top spell) and it got him KO'd for his trouble. Strange also appeared to have zero effect against the Void so its hard to tell. Doom hurt Sentry with magic but got warned to knock it off before Bob killed him. Again, who knows. Morgan Le Fey seemingly killed him only to have him reappear and decapitate her.

If a takedown is a win on the forum then i'll go with Fate, but ultimately Sentry would probably end up killing him after its all said and done.

Depends on which Fate.

Anything less than Hector is going down.

Originally posted by "Id"
Depends on which Fate.

Anything less than Hector is going down.

Agreed, Eric, Linda (or their merged form), Inza, Kent V and the poxy Nu52 one loose badly.

Hector and Kent should win.

You forgot about Jared

Kent would win, maybe Hector too, I don't know enough about the rest.

Hector or Kent would win a high majority.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You forgot about Jared

Oh yeah. Him.


Sentry stabs him with his own weapon.

Originally posted by "Id"
Oh yeah. Him.


Sentry stabs him with his own weapon.

Obviously it depends on which Fate

Kent's the best Fate, so Kent.

Dont know if that'll get him the win or why or how.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You forgot about Jared

OP said "Dr" fate and Jarred wasn't the DR (specifically OFTEN stated the "Dr was out"



Let's be fair. BEFORE Mordru could do that he killed a lot of Lords of Order and Chaos and absorbed their power. As I recall when the same thing was tried in his first run by a mage the result wasn't as good for the one who tried.

I think i'd have enjoyed that character better if he'd been independent of Dr. Fate.

He'd have enjoyed being independent of the Dr too...

nice!

Dr Fate is easily destroyed by Sentry.

Fate at his best destroys Sentry without any effort.

Originally posted by beatboks



Let's be fair. BEFORE Mordru could do that he killed a lot of Lords of Order and Chaos and absorbed their power. As I recall when the same thing was tried in his first run by a mage the result wasn't as good for the one who tried.
Or maybe he was Canadian and part of Aplha Flight.

Those Canadian superheroes do have the tendency to get killed off panel.

Originally posted by riv6672
Kent's the best Fate, so Kent.

Dont know if that'll get him the win or why or how.

Are we using the Sentry pictured? If so im confident all fates best him

Yeah, pictured version.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Fate at his best destroys Sentry without any effort.

Originally posted by "Id"
Or maybe he was Canadian and part of Aplha Flight.

Those Canadian superheroes do have the tendency to get killed off panel.

https://media.giphy.com/media/LYwAh3Pi8eMKc/giphy.gif

Originally posted by tkitna
Doom hurt Sentry with magic but got warned to knock it off before Bob killed him.

He cast a spell that takes advantage of Bob's unstable mind, but in the end, Bob walks right through Doom's spells:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11114/111144301/4285111-drdoom.jpg



Which means that keeping him down/destroyed is a necessity to win. Plus, what she does to him is done in a complete surprise attack on a relaxed Sentry. It's as if she sought to take him out of the picture before the fight starts with the rest of the team:

https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-42bb0bb9f638e859de65ea6d2c3b0fba?convert_to_webp=true

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3615/3322891607_37d4e485f5_o.jpg

Fate wins. Strange has incapacitated Sentry with magic before.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Fate wins. Strange has incapacitated Sentry with magic before.

He didn't - Sentry *volunteered for the experiment but ended up being "too powerful for this type of magic". And then Sentry KO'd him.

*If you could phrase it that way.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He didn't - Sentry *volunteered for the experiment but ended up being "too powerful for this type of magic". And then Sentry KO'd him.

*If you could phrase it that way.

I was thinking that magic was the worst thing that another character could throw at Sentry because of exactly what Tony Stark said to Doom when he used it against him and he screamed out in pain. Then as Hulkster pointed out, Sentry walked right through Doom's magical defenses as if they weren't even there. In my opinion, the Sentry was always as powerful as Death Seed Sentry but unable to utilize his full powers. I'm not sure if Sentry would beat Fate at the level that he's being used in this thread, but I think that it could or would end up with one of these guys being defeated quickly. If Fate can defeat him before he works through the spells that are thrown at him, he'd likely kill Fate much like he killed Morgan Le Fey.

Originally posted by Stoic
I was thinking that magic was the worst thing that another character could throw at Sentry because of exactly what Tony Stark said to Doom when he used it against him and he screamed out in pain. Then as Hulkster pointed out, Sentry walked right through Doom's magical defenses as if they weren't even there. In my opinion, the Sentry was always as powerful as Death Seed Sentry but unable to utilize his full powers. I'm not sure if Sentry would beat Fate at the level that he's being used in this thread, but I think that it could or would end up with one of these guys being defeated quickly. If Fate can defeat him before he works through the spells that are thrown at him, he'd likely kill Fate much like he killed Morgan Le Fey.

That point you made about Sentry's power level is something I've said before (not meant rudely, just as in I agree with you). It's reminiscent of the conversation between Iceman and Mystique (think it was Iceman). I think that is when confusion arises around whether the Death Seed was an amp or not. It's tricky to discuss really. Because on one hand all it did was unlock his full potential but on the other hand he needed the Death Seed to reach it but it only helped him release what was already there.

You end up in a neverending cycle.

I would post scans but I'm playing Dark Souls 3 for the first time.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
That point you made about Sentry's power level is something I've said before (not meant rudely, just as in I agree with you). It's reminiscent of the conversation between Iceman and Mystique (think it was Iceman). I think that is when confusion arises around whether the Death Seed was an amp or not. It's tricky to discuss really. Because on one hand all it did was unlock his full potential but on the other hand he needed the Death Seed to reach it but it only helped him release what was already there.

You end up in a neverending cycle.

I would post scans but I'm playing Dark Souls 3 for the first time.

Dark Souls is a great game Scot. I've argued the same thing about War Hulk. The Hulk was always capable of rising to that level, and as we saw later, he even rose well above that level. The same can and should be thought of when talking about Sentry in concerns to the Death Seed. In all honesty, I don't see how Fate would be able to kill Bob, and that's what it would have to come down to if they both met. If Bob could reverse the Molecule Man's powers against him, why couldn't he do the same to Fate?

Originally posted by Stoic
Dark Souls is a great game Scot. I've argued the same thing about War Hulk. The Hulk was always capable of rising to that level, and as we saw later, he even rose well above that level. The same can and should be thought of when talking about Sentry in concerns to the Death Seed. In all honesty, I don't see how Fate would be able to kill Bob, and that's what it would have to come down to if they both met. If Bob could reverse the Molecule Man's powers against him, why couldn't he do the same to Fate?

The only character(s) who could kill Sentry are either Hulk Killer Humanoid, or Dracula with Dual Adamantine Katanas and his army of bats, undead bats, wolves, undead wolves, skeletons, zombies, bats, undead bats and other creatures of the night.

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
The only character(s) who could kill Sentry are either Hulk Killer Humanoid, or Dracula with Dual Adamantine Katanas and his army of bats, undead bats, wolves, undead wolves, skeletons, zombies, bats, undead bats and other creatures of the night.

Or rage's Thor.

Or carver's Hulk.

Or stilt's Wolverine.

Or cdtm's Ironfist.

Or martianmind's Daredevil.

Or abhi's Superman.







Enzeru's Sentry beats himself haw-som

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
and other creatures of the night.

This killed me lmao

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
He didn't - Sentry *volunteered for the experiment but ended up being "too powerful for this type of magic". And then Sentry KO'd him.

*If you could phrase it that way.

That's basically correct. Specifically, Sentry allows Strange into his mind and Strange uses that opportunity to incapacitate Sentry and hook him into the machine where he attempts Dark Magic on him.

So Sentry is incapacitated by Strange, but only because he drops his defenses and Strange tricks him with illusions. But Sentry ends up being too strong for Strange's Magic and breaks free. So the statement of Strange incapacitating Sentry is deceiving in that it leaves out important context.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
That's basically correct. Specifically, Sentry allows Strange into his mind and Strange uses that opportunity to incapacitate Sentry and hook him into the machine where he attempts Dark Magic on him.

So Sentry is incapacitated by Strange, but only because he drops his defenses and Strange tricks him with illusions. But Sentry ends up being too strong for Strange's Magic and breaks free. So the statement of Strange incapacitating Sentry is deceiving in that it leaves out important context.

Something to point out as well is that Strange failed against a Sentry who wasn't resisting (at the beginningg).

has he still not shown up in the ANAD Marvel verse? I feel like so many characters were simply written off

Originally posted by Sin I AM
has he still not shown up in the ANAD Marvel verse? I feel like so many characters were simply written off

Nope he's effectively wiped out.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
has he still not shown up in the ANAD Marvel verse? I feel like so many characters were simply written off

I've noticed that Marvel typically deep sixes characters that are too powerful because they don't know where to use them.

Originally posted by Stoic
I've noticed that Marvel typically deep sixes characters that are too powerful because they don't know where to use them. or too boring

Originally posted by Stoic
I've noticed that Marvel typically deep sixes characters that are too powerful because they don't know where to use them.

That's the thing. If Sentry was here for Civil War II he might have stopped the bullet from killing Bruce then killed Hawkeye etc. He has not much of a place on Earth it seems.

I'm talking about New Avengers issue where Strange incapacitated entire Mighty Avengers team.

Not Sentry v2.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm talking about New Avengers issue where Strange incapacitated entire Mighty Avengers team.

Not Sentry v2.

Ah right I see. You mean this one?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111136785/4596763-2408890-dr._strange_vs_mighty_avengers_2.jpg

I'm so used to bringing up the volumes I forget. Yeah I mean fairplay. But even so it's still a me vs you on what feat do we presume to be the outlier.

(again sorry for not posting high quality scans)

Not accessible at the moment.

I'm always right.

uhuh

Originally posted by abhilegend
I'm always right.

uhuh

boxing

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
Ah right I see. You mean this one?

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111136785/4596763-2408890-dr._strange_vs_mighty_avengers_2.jpg

I'm so used to bringing up the volumes I forget. Yeah I mean fairplay. But even so it's still a me vs you on what feat do we presume to be the outlier.

(again sorry for not posting high quality scans)

Not accessible at the moment. http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494587_New-Avengers-29-pg-004.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494588_New-Avengers-29-pg-005.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494589_New-Avengers-29-pg-006.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494590_New-Avengers-29-pg-007.jpg


-New Avengers #29 (2007)

Originally posted by Galan007
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494587_New-Avengers-29-pg-004.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494588_New-Avengers-29-pg-005.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494589_New-Avengers-29-pg-006.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494590_New-Avengers-29-pg-007.jpg


-New Avengers #29 (2007)

Thanks mate. I've noticed these scans are higher quality (as in colour) than my ones. I must ahve downloaded some shit scanners comic. I will redownload I think.

If you're looking for top quality, go with the "(digital) (Megan-Empire)" rips.

Originally posted by Galan007


If you're looking for top quality, go with the "(digital) (Megan-Empire)" rips.

Ah right cool will do.

"I'm inside you right now"

Too much...

One_Angry_Scot

The scan you post shows Strange distracting the Mighty Avengers team with illusions of their greatest fears long enough for his team to escape. Since no one is incapacitated, I can't imagine that this is the scene being referenced.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
One_Angry_Scot

The scan you post shows Strange distracting the Mighty Avengers team with illusions of their greatest fears long enough for his team to escape. Since no one is incapacitated, I can't imagine that this is the scene being referenced.

I was just bringing up the scan Abhi mentioned so everyone could see. Albeit a low quality image.

Strange's magic worked. Doom's magic worked.

Doesn't mean either of them could take out Bob for a ko in a fight, buuut those showings are a proof that magic works on him.

I know you were just identifying the scene he mentions. But his description of what happens is inaccurate. Sentry is not incapacitated. Not sure what Ms. Marvel's status is. Maybe she faints.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aCn-npeLrYQ/VfeLI0GtoMI/AAAAAAAP2WI/EXbFAOc0QsQ/s1600/29_06.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rCa8l-p7p5M/VfeLJBKqJDI/AAAAAAAP2WE/gq8f_35vhZA/s1600/29_07.jpg

Yes, magic works on Sentry, but every instance we see, he is never defeated by it and overpowers it in the end. He is clearly highly resistant to it.

He is incapacitated. If you are unable to fight back, you are incapacitated.

Originally posted by abhilegend
He is incapacitated. If you are unable to fight back, you are incapacitated.

Fight back? Against what? He's not even being attacked. He's being distracted so they can run away. Nothing in that scene shows him to be incapacitated.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/incapacitate

Originally posted by One_Angry_Scot
boxing


g-asskick

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Fight back? Against what? He's not even being attacked. He's being distracted so they can run away. Nothing in that scene shows him to be incapacitated.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/incapacitate
He is mentally attacked and unable to fight back until strange gets away.

You are an idiot as always.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
I know you were just identifying the scene he mentions. But his description of what happens is inaccurate. Sentry is not incapacitated. Not sure what Ms. Marvel's status is. Maybe she faints.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aCn-npeLrYQ/VfeLI0GtoMI/AAAAAAAP2WI/EXbFAOc0QsQ/s1600/29_06.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rCa8l-p7p5M/VfeLJBKqJDI/AAAAAAAP2WE/gq8f_35vhZA/s1600/29_07.jpg

Yes, magic works on Sentry, but every instance we see, he is never defeated by it and overpowers it in the end. He is clearly highly resistant to it. That certainly counts as a forum win

^^^i believe you're right.

Originally posted by Galan007
http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494587_New-Avengers-29-pg-004.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494588_New-Avengers-29-pg-005.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494589_New-Avengers-29-pg-006.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/30494590_New-Avengers-29-pg-007.jpg


-New Avengers #29 (2007)

I love how IF got affected, too. So much for chi & if technique not being powers, lol.

Phuck off Stilty

Originally posted by iceman24567
Phuck off Stilty

Lord Rand is no longer a lord haw-som

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lord Rand is no longer a lord haw-som I hope you end up like Time

Originally posted by iceman24567
I hope you end up like Time

https://media.tenor.co/images/51302798cf651e8196578b362136ce86/raw

Turning ugly.

Originally posted by iceman24567
That certainly counts as a forum win

Yup.

Fate at his highest level would stomp . Regular fate gets stomped

Fate at his highest get disintegrated by Sentry effortlessly.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Fate at his highest get disintegrated by Sentry effortlessly.

Fate at his "highest level" is said to be unabld to be destroyed in multile sources. So no.

Originally posted by beatboks
Fate at his "highest level" is said to be unable to be destroyed in multile sources. So no.

Which sources are you referring to ?

Why are they unable to destroy him ?

Fate, easily.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Which sources are you referring to ?

Why are they unable to destroy him ?

Stories in Flasb comics.
Immortal Dr Fate mini series
The mini series post CKIE when he handed the mantle over to Eric and Linda. A hell lord states on the second page of the first issue (IIRC) That for the first time he believes Fate is actually weak enough to be able to be destroyed.

He's unable to be destroyed because every host waz altered by Nabu to be immune to mortal harm and tbe source of their power (which comes from both Order and Chaos as well as human spirit) makes them immune to reality and matter manip. Their energy an be manipulated but there are several stories where Fate is the only LIVING entity left (this wouldnt include Slectre obviously ) after everytbing is destroyed.

On at least two occasions Fate has survived the end of existence. One of those was Eric Strauss fate the weakest of all.

I dont see him beating Sentry because I cant see a take down but i do see it as a stalemate

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Fate at his highest get disintegrated by Sentry effortlessly.
^^^Haha
That was worth the thread bump.

Originally posted by beatboks
Stories in Flasb comics.
Immortal Dr Fate mini series
The mini series post CKIE when he handed the mantle over to Eric and Linda. A hell lord states on the second page of the first issue (IIRC) That for the first time he believes Fate is actually weak enough to be able to be destroyed.

He's unable to be destroyed because every host waz altered by Nabu to be immune to mortal harm and tbe source of their power (which comes from both Order and Chaos as well as human spirit) makes them immune to reality and matter manip. Their energy an be manipulated but there are several stories where Fate is the only LIVING entity left (this wouldnt include Slectre obviously ) after everytbing is destroyed.

On at least two occasions Fate has survived the end of existence. One of those was Eric Strauss fate the weakest of all.

I dont see him beating Sentry because I cant see a take down but i do see it as a stalemate

Or Fate BFR Sentry like Genis did.

I always caveat no BFR, but yeah, that'd be well within Fate's abilities.

Originally posted by beatboks
Stories in Flasb comics.
Immortal Dr Fate mini series
The mini series post CKIE when he handed the mantle over to Eric and Linda. A hell lord states on the second page of the first issue (IIRC) That for the first time he believes Fate is actually weak enough to be able to be destroyed.

He's unable to be destroyed because every host waz altered by Nabu to be immune to mortal harm and tbe source of their power (which comes from both Order and Chaos as well as human spirit) makes them immune to reality and matter manip. Their energy an be manipulated but there are several stories where Fate is the only LIVING entity left (this wouldnt include Slectre obviously ) after everytbing is destroyed.

On at least two occasions Fate has survived the end of existence. One of those was Eric Strauss fate the weakest of all.

I dont see him beating Sentry because I cant see a take down but i do see it as a stalemate

Scan of Dr Fate being immune to reality and matter manip please.

Scan of Sentry affecting a Lord of Order while we're at it!

Originally posted by riv6672
Scan of Sentry affecting a Lord of Order while we're at it!

Everybody has seen the scan of Sentry soloing Molecule Man effortlessly with a thought.

That's more than Dr Fate has done in his entire career.

Originally posted by riv6672
Scan of Sentry affecting a Lord of Order while we're at it!

Fate has gone up against just as powerful, if not more powerful. Depending on which Fate, he's gone up against Spectre, half helmed.

*sigh*

Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spectre.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
*sigh*

Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spectre.
He's not a Lord of Order, though. My point isnt how powerful a Lord is, as what a lord is.

Originally posted by riv6672
He's not a Lord of Order, though. My point isnt how powerful a Lord is, as what a lord is.

I am still waiting for feats, in the proper context with no personal misinterpretation, of Dr Fate's abilities.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
*sigh*

Molecule Man >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Spectre.

Spectre crushes Owen.

Owen decimates the Spectre.

Fate at his most powerful easily obliterates Robert

Originally posted by quanchi112
Owen decimates the Spectre.

Clearly.

By feats the Spectre is an insect to Owen.

Sentry wins.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Clearly.

By feats the Spectre is an insect to Owen.

Originally posted by carver9
Sentry wins.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Originally posted by iceman24567
Fate at his most powerful easily obliterates Robert

Sentry doesn't stand a chance.

Originally posted by Zack M
Sentry doesn't stand a chance. Agreed

I know riv said no BFR, but I wonder what would happen if Fate BFR Sentry to his dimension. The justice League had a poor time there.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I am still waiting for feats, in the proper context with no personal misinterpretation, of Dr Fate's abilities.
Me too, on Sentry taking out mystical entities on the level of a Lord of Order.

Originally posted by riv6672
Me too, on Sentry taking out mystical entities on the level of a Lord of Order.

Molecule Man is superior to the Presence. Nice try.

Putting "nice try" at the end of an opinion doesnt make that opinion a fact. Fact.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Molecule Man is superior to the Presence. Nice try. hahahahahahahahaha

Originally posted by riv6672
Putting "nice try" at the end of an opinion doesnt make that opinion a fact. Fact.

Giving examples of beings weaker than Molecule Man whom Sentry crushed with a thought is a bad try at forming an argument.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Molecule Man is superior to the Presence. Nice try.
BTW, my point here was, i asked for a scan, same as you.
While you wont accept someone's opinion without printed proof, you're expecting people to accept your opinion without it.

Originally posted by riv6672
BTW, my point here was, i asked for a scan, same as you.
While you wont accept someone's opinion without printed proof, you're expecting people to accept your opinion without it.

I asked for feats from Dr Fate.

I am still waiting for them.

I'm waiting for my Sentry ones.

Originally posted by riv6672
I'm waiting for my Sentry ones.

Quoting myself from another thread:

Originally posted by RealityWarper
There is no limit to his power-set.

He manipulates the reality and can do everything.

There is no limits to his power-level.

That's why he destroyed Molecule Man in two seconds when he understood what he is capable to do:

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/49/1480894260-dark-avengers-012-pg-16.jpg

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/49/1480894264-dark-avengers-012-pg-17.jpg

That's why Sentry godstomps Dr Fate with a simple and effortlessly thought.

jeebus.....

^^^Congratulations, you are the 100yh responder!

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Quoting myself from another thread:
There's no Lord of Order in Sentry's reality.

By that i mean, intercompany battles are 90% conjecture. You cant say, scans of character A doing something specific to character B or you lose. Well, obviously YOU can.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Congratulations, you are the 100yh responder!


There's no Lord of Order in Sentry's reality.

I know. and ?




So are standard fictional battles. Speculations.



There is equivalences in power-levels.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
hahahahahahahahaha

Originally posted by Insane Titan
hahahahahahahahaha His jokes are top notch unlike his comic book knowledge

It would be easy if everyone ignores this clown.

Originally posted by abhilegend
It would be easy if everyone ignores this clown. It would be even better if he would stop posting

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Scan of Dr Fate being immune to reality and matter manip please.

http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentandInzamerge.jpg.html
Here Classic Fate, his wife Inza and their home the Salem tower are unaffected by galactic level reality manipulation.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5575550-reality+warp+1.jpg

http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5575551-reality+warp+2.jpg

This is how reality was warped around him. The earth Changed, stars dissapeared and were replaced with something completely different, Life ceased to exist. Only he his wife and his tower were unaffected because of the alterations done to them by Nabu.

This is only one of dozens of examples I could show. When Totec completely warped the reality of earth Fate was unchanged as even those around him changed. Lowly Jarred version of Fate was shown to be unaffected by reality manip on at least 4 of 5 occasions. Eric version survived the end of existence. I mean seriously it's a staple feat of the character done over and over.

Originally posted by beatboks
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentandInzamerge.jpg.html
Here Classic Fate, his wife Inza and their home the Salem tower are unaffected by galactic level reality manipulation.

Where is the reality warping feat exactly ?

Dr Fate said that Inza and him are protected from the Gem's Radiance which is a synonym of radiation.




The captions are speaking about some "Eldricht energies" distorting the landscape.

You are describing some matter transmutation realized through the use of a spell.

Where is the reality warping feat exactly ?




There is no mention of reality manipulation feat here.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Where is the reality warping feat exactly ?

Dr Fate said that Inza and him are protected from the Gem's Radiance which is a synonym of radiation.




The captions are speaking about some "Eldricht energies" distorting the landscape.

You are describing some matter transmutation realized through the use of a spell.

Where is the reality warping feat exactly ?




There is no mention of reality manipulation feat here.

Seriously ??!! the entire reality around them changed. Not just the earth but the stars and the heavens above them (all three scans are from the same issue).

So your going to tell me if someone doesn't say they are warping reality on panel while the effect of what they are doing is warping all reality we can see it's not reality warping???

Anything to keep your head in the sand

Originally posted by beatboks
Seriously ??!! the entire reality around them changed. Not just the earth but the stars and the heavens above them (all three scans are from the same issue).

So your going to tell me if someone doesn't say they are warping reality on panel while the effect of what they are doing is warping all reality we can see it's not reality warping???

Anything to keep your head in the sand

Nope.

All that I'm saying is that you are stretching a feat of magical transmutation into a feat of reality manipulation because that suits your argument.

That's reaching.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Nope.

All that I'm saying is that you are stretching a feat of magical transmutation into a feat of reality manipulation because that suits your argument.

That's reaching.

Hahaha
So tranmuting an entire galaxy (at the least, since it encomposses the observed sky) isnt reality manip. Right, I'm the one stretching. Good to know no bias at all

Cant wait for the next Bump.

http://data.whicdn.com/images/145794255/large.gif

Originally posted by beatboks
Hahaha
So tranmuting an entire galaxy

He didn't transmute an entire Galaxy.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/49/1481197588-drfatecrimsongem.jpg

"FILTERING THE SUN RAYS, INFUSING THEM WITH ELDRITCH ENERGIES, DISTORTING THE LANDSCAPE AND PEOPLE BELOW INTO NEW AND HIDEOUS FORMS !"

The sun rays, infused with magical energies, only changed the landscape and the people below.




Do you mean "the Observed sky masked by the pink fog" ?

He didn't transmute any stars.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/49/1481197722-drfatecrimsongem2.jpg

That's not what you are arguing for, you are giving a different version of what is happening on panel to fits your views about Dr Fate.




No.

The captions makes it clear:

The Crimson Gem filtered the Sun Rays and infused them with Eldricht Energies and what they touched was transmuted.

That's all that happened.



Hell, yeah.

The second scan debunk a second time what you are saying:

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/49/1481197722-drfatecrimsongem2.jpg

"THE VERY EARTH BELOW HIM BEGINS TO CHANGE"

That's so galaxy-level in scale...

"AS THE FACE OF THE WORLD IS DISFIGURED, WROUGHT INTO NEW AND HIDEOUS SHAPES"

This feat is at best the size of a country considering that the sun rays coming from the sky only changed the Earth below Dr Fate.

The landscape changed only from the Sun Rays which were filtered, infused with eldricht energies and touched it and the people around.

That's not even close to the "reality warping galaxy-level scale" feat that you are promoting and doesn't exist.




You are just assuming too much to fit your views about the character.

I have no reasons to do the same thing when the captions describes something different on-panel.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
http://data.whicdn.com/images/145794255/large.gif

Originally posted by RealityWarper
He didn't transmute an entire Galaxy.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/49/1481197588-drfatecrimsongem.jpg

"FILTERING THE SUN RAYS, INFUSING THEM WITH ELDRITCH ENERGIES, DISTORTING THE LANDSCAPE AND PEOPLE BELOW INTO NEW AND HIDEOUS FORMS !"

The sun rays, infused with magical energies, only changed the landscape and the people below.




Do you mean "the Observed sky masked by the pink fog" ?

He didn't transmute any stars.

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/49/1481197722-drfatecrimsongem2.jpg

That's not what you are arguing for, you are giving a different version of what is happening on panel to fits your views about Dr Fate.




No.

The captions makes it clear:

The Crimson Gem filtered the Sun Rays and infused them with Eldricht Energies and what they touched was transmuted.

That's all that happened.



Hell, yeah.

The second scan debunk a second time what you are saying:

http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/49/1481197722-drfatecrimsongem2.jpg

"THE VERY EARTH BELOW HIM BEGINS TO CHANGE"

That's so galaxy-level in scale...

"AS THE FACE OF THE WORLD IS DISFIGURED, WROUGHT INTO NEW AND HIDEOUS SHAPES"

This feat is at best the size of a country considering that the sun rays coming from the sky only changed the Earth below Dr Fate.

The landscape changed only from the Sun Rays which were filtered, infused with eldricht energies and touched it and the people around.

That's not even close to the "reality warping galaxy-level scale" feat that you are promoting and doesn't exist.




You are just assuming too much to fit your views about the character.

I have no reasons to do the same thing when the captions describes something different on-panel.

WOW, the level of your tunnel vision is truly amazing, and shows just what lengths you'll go to to bias your view point.
You blow up scans to show captions while ignoring other parts of the same scans that clearly show it wasn't limited to just the earth.
I even said what I meant but know we can't have an unbiased view can we.
In the scan with Fate and inza before they merge we see a view of the sky with no less than 20 celestial bodies that are apparently closer than any of the planets in our solar system. Given that about 10 of them are in fact almost or greater than the size of our moon. Some of these celestial bodies even had things joining them.

Yeah it was JUST the earth altered. Never mind the multiple images of a completely different sky above the earth. That's not to mention the others I didn't load of unusual shapes in the night sky.

You claim Sentry can "easily destroy" themost powerful version of Dr Fate yet
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/1%20cannot%20kill.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/AAA%20totec%20v%20fate%202.jpg.html
That version can't be destroyed in conventional means. The way Totec was planing to destroy him here was by tricking Fate into killing Inza Nelson (Kent Nelson'/ his hosts wife) so that Kent would refuse to be the host for Fate anymore. This is despite the fact that Totec casually reality warped on a planetary scale and erased all life beside Fate and Inza.

In the Fate mini when he hands over the mantle to Eric another LOC states
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/At%20Long%20last%201.jpg.html
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/At%20long%20last%202.jpg.html

So at long last after having been Fate for 4 and a half decades he has used enough magic fighting the forces of chaos that he is weakened enough to finally be able to be destroyed.

Against Fate at that point or versions since Sentry would likely win as he has the means to destroy, but that ISN'T the most powerful Fate who it's stated and shown on panel many times can't be.

I think is pretty clear by now that reality warper is a deluded troll

Ha, another Bump.

Originally posted by Rao Kal El
I think is pretty clear by now that reality warper is a deluded troll

Originally posted by beatboks
http://s1232.photobucket.com/user/beatboks01/media/doctor%20Fate/KentandInzamerge.jpg.html
Here Classic Fate, his wife Inza and their home the Salem tower are unaffected by galactic level reality manipulation.

http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5575550-reality+warp+1.jpg

http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/5575551-reality+warp+2.jpg

This is how reality was warped around him. The earth Changed, stars dissapeared and were replaced with something completely different, Life ceased to exist. Only he his wife and his tower were unaffected because of the alterations done to them by Nabu.

This is only one of dozens of examples I could show. When Totec completely warped the reality of earth Fate was unchanged as even those around him changed. Lowly Jarred version of Fate was shown to be unaffected by reality manip on at least 4 of 5 occasions. Eric version survived the end of existence. I mean seriously it's a staple feat of the character done over and over.

Hi again.

Long time no see so I wanted to come back at one thing.

You said this:

Originally posted by beatboks
This is how reality was warped around him. The earth Changed, stars dissapeared and were replaced with something completely different, Life ceased to exist. Only he his wife and his tower were unaffected because of the alterations done to them by Nabu.


That's wrong on every level.

That's a simple page composition, the artist draw it this way so we can focus the emphasis of the fight between two characters. That's basic comic book reading man.


http://zupimages.net/up/17/24/yf8p.jpg

WTF is that supposed to prove?

Oh its just a way of saying Ill beleive what I want no matter what evidence shows and I'll always be right even when I'm wrong

Just ignore the fact that ive shown scans that clealry State Classic Fate can't be destroyed and another clearly stating that only after being greatly weakened is there a chance of destroying him for the first time

Thanks for the Bump, i guess. msn-tongue

Originally posted by beatboks
WTF is that supposed to prove?

I'm explaining to you that the background disappearing isn't a power of the characters but a simple drawing technique to highlight the combat scene between two characters.



I have no doubt that you will continue to use your scans out-of-context, no matter what is posted.

That's called the "backfire effect".

Instead of changing your point of view, posting proofs reinforce your beliefs.



That's mostly hyperbole.

Sentry has the power to erase him from existence totally.

Originally posted by riv6672
Thanks for the Bump, i guess. msn-tongue


You are welcome.

Yeah if nothing else, i havent thought of ZOT in years!

Originally posted by riv6672
Yeah if nothing else, i havent thought of ZOT in years!

ZOT ?

Fate wins, handily

Originally posted by RealityWarper
ZOT ?
The guy's shirt!

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/4/21677-3399-24181-1-zot-.jpg

Originally posted by riv6672
The guy's shirt!

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/4/21677-3399-24181-1-zot-.jpg Zot was great, I don't think we ever found out where the door in space led.

Oh man i cant recall, its been YEARS!

Dr Fate with top spells should beat Sentry a$$ to oblivion

Thats pretty much what i wound up thinking before the Bump.

Originally posted by riv6672
Thats pretty much what i wound up thinking before the Bump.

What now ? XD

Most things that Beatboks said about Dr Fate are a fabrication.

Okay.