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Iceman full potential so using AOA feats etc

JLA roster:
Martian manhunter (new52)
Superman (new52)
Green lantern Simon baz
Aquaman (new 52)
Wonder woman (new 52)
Green lantern kyle
Cyborg

Nope

So... the composite 616 + AoA version...?

Going giant, making ice clones, mist form, immortality or the next best thing to it...

Team's pretty f*cked.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So... the composite 616 + AoA version...?

Going giant, making ice clones, mist form, immortality or the next best thing to it...

Team's pretty f*cked.

DAMN LIES!!!

https://redhulkblog.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/wolverine_xmen_11_art_preview_b.jpg

Yea

^^^Cool scan, no pun intended.

Big overreaction by LoB means he's scared of the matchup. So, Iceman 6/10, IMO.

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Cool scan, no pun intended.

Big overreaction by LoB means he's scared of the matchup. So, Iceman 6/10, IMO.

THE MIGHTY LOB FEARS NOTHING!!!

I thought the seed put Iceman at full potential? If so, he stomps.

In more recent comics, yes

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23992/4533190-3475615-astonishing%2Bx-men%2B065-011.jpg

^^^Oh yeah, Iceman's GOT this, then.

****ing lol thread already went to shit.

troll when you know theres a spite thread

No idea whatcha talkin' bout. Someone's got to win the fight, why not Iceman?

He doesn't stand a chance.

Almost any one of them can solo.

Thanks for the scans Stilt. Iceman was blasting holes in Thor with ease. He wins this and depending how determined he is, it could happen with ease.

Green Lantern creates a miniature sun or a giant oven.

Superman heat visions.

Cyborg uses heat or sonic weapons.

Manhunter has telepathy and intangibility.

Wonder Woman has such speed and strength that I doubt he'd land an attack.

Half the team could solo, how the hell does he win this?

By no selling those attacks, which he's capable of doing.

Originally posted by riv6672
By no selling those attacks, which he's capable of doing.

How so? He died in a furnace.

Mystique destroyed him with a handgun.

Martain Manhunter better not get near that furnace.

Originally posted by riv6672
Martain Manhunter better not get near that furnace.

lmao

Originally posted by krisblaze
Green Lantern creates a miniature sun or a giant oven.

Superman heat visions.

Cyborg uses heat or sonic weapons.

Manhunter has telepathy and intangibility.

Wonder Woman has such speed and strength that I doubt he'd land an attack.

Half the team could solo, how the hell does he win this?
He's immune to telepathy and that's the only threat that actually matters in that list
The test he just freezes probably

Originally posted by krisblaze
Green Lantern creates a miniature sun or a giant oven.

Superman heat visions.

Cyborg uses heat or sonic weapons.

Manhunter has telepathy and intangibility.

Wonder Woman has such speed and strength that I doubt he'd land an attack.

Half the team could solo, how the hell does he win this?

Out of character.

Heat vision is doing crap in this battle.

Cyborg dies.

Wonder Woman insides get turned to ice.

The team dies.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman insides get turned to ice.

http://thefertilechickonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/5-1.png

Little snowmen http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon12.gif

Iceman flash freezes entire universe
God mutant Iceman lol

Yeah, because Iceman goes around clobbering JLA roster type of enemies.

Originally posted by Juntai
Yeah, because Iceman goes around clobbering JLA roster type of enemies.
Not a very useful debate point in a forum that regularly features cross company match ups.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/mr_grieves/web/wp%20blog/nightcrawler-kills-iceman.jpg

Full potential, indeed.

Like i said, MM better watch his back.

Yeah. That was Iceman with the seed within him, so the same one that Stilt and carver posted a scan of.

Martian Manhunter could at least fly close to the sun, new 52 wise.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11121/111213476/4374274-mmh.png

Cool. Nice to see they beat me to it, but AoA Iceman was killed by AoA Nightcrawler tossing him into a furnace.

Even ignoring that, the team has telepathy so...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v419/mr_grieves/web/wp%20blog/nightcrawler-kills-iceman.jpg

Full potential, indeed.

Is that a non canon story?

Originally posted by hutchy1345
Iceman full potential so using AOA feats etc

JLA roster:
Martian manhunter (new52)
Superman (new52)
Green lantern Simon baz
Aquaman (new 52)
Wonder woman (new 52)
Green lantern kyle
Cyborg

"Full Potential" is your problem right there.

Generally though, stalemate.

Originally posted by -Pr-
"Full Potential" is your problem right there.

Generally though, stalemate.

Don't you see that Superman is on the JLA roster?

Stalemate indeed....

TRAITOROUS, WRETCH!!!!!

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Don't you see that Superman is on the JLA roster?

Stalemate indeed....

TRAITOROUS, WRETCH!!!!!

Ok, pretend Superman fan.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Ok, pretend Superman fan.

I am The Superman fan that saved the son of Jor-El on KMC from the shameful abyss you had him in.

The Golden Age of Superman began with MY HOUSE OF EL!!!

Originally posted by SquallX
Is that a non canon story?

Nope. It's canon. Happened in X-Force

Originally posted by SquallX
Is that a non canon story?

Its canon.

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
I am The Superman fan that saved the son of Jor-El on KMC from the shameful abyss you had him in.

The Golden Age of Superman began with MY HOUSE OF EL!!!

lol, sure thing, sport.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Nope. It's canon. Happened in X-Force

Can I get the break down if that scene?

Why were they fighting since their teammates?
How can a little fire hurt Bobby, was he weakened by some external force?
Was the whole fight just posted/cis?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://thefertilechickonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/5-1.png

Little snowmen http://images.killermovies.com/forums/icons/v2/icon12.gif


You sick man.

Originally posted by SquallX
Can I get the break down if that scene?

Why were they fighting since their teammates?
How can a little fire hurt Bobby, was he weakened by some external force?
Was the whole fight just posted/cis?

He had to locate the real bobby first.

There is literally nothing bobby can do against heat vision.

Originally posted by SquallX
Can I get the break down if that scene?

Why were they fighting since their teammates?


Once he travelled to the 616 reality, AoA Bobby was like "f*ck it all". Escaped Apocverine's wrath and just wanted to enjoy himself like he says in the panel, lol. Betrayed the "good guys" at some point, too.

616 Iceman went crazy, too... but that happened later.

Originally posted by SquallX
How can a little fire hurt Bobby, was he weakened by some external force?
Was the whole fight just posted/cis?

Again, it's the AoA version. Has strict limits, as he should.

The way I understood it, OP wanted us to use the absolute best version while adding the feats from aoa, but whatever.

Originally posted by SquallX
Can I get the break down if that scene?

Why were they fighting since their teammates?
How can a little fire hurt Bobby, was he weakened by some external force?
Was the whole fight just posted/cis?
He betrayed them, so AoA Nightcrawler went for revenge.

Nightcrawler took him there because the heat evaporated all the moisture in the air, so Iceman couldn't reform or muster up much offense. Too Bobby's credit, he was presented as a huge threat. He was handling business up until Kurt try the furnace trick.

No CIS involved. They were in character.

Also, read Uncanny X-Force right now. It was an amazing series.

Lol @ some posts. Iceman dies horribly.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Also, read Uncanny X-Force right now. It was an amazing series.

Remender's best Marvel work. That and the Punisher.

That death is total PIS
He's connected to all the moisture earth he couldve reformed
Also iceman wasn't trying against nightcrawler I'm almost certain it turned into a fist fight

Originally posted by hutchy1345
That death is total PIS
He's connected to all the moisture earth he couldve reformed
Also iceman wasn't trying against nightcrawler I'm almost certain it turned into a fist fight

Lol, Nightcrawler teleported him to the furnace specifically because it cut him off.

Iceman WAS trying very hard to kill them. It turned into a fist fight because Nightcrawler offered to make it fair, and fight him with no powers.

For those who want to read the whole issue:

http://viewcomic.com/uncanny-x-force-v1-024/

He even does the whole bodyjumping clone thing.

Edit: Hell, the storyline is even called, the Unkillable Kill. Bobby was plenty tough in that.

@hutch

He was trying, there just wasn't enough moisture in the room.

Again... it's a different version of the character, with different limits.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@hutch

He was trying, there just wasn't enough moisture in the room.

Again... it's a different version of the character, with different limits.
Seems like you're being the voice of reason in this thread.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
@hutch

He was trying, there just wasn't enough moisture in the room.

Again... it's a different version of the character, with different limits.

yeah, i think i'm sort of with what you're saying here. this ISN'T just aoa--it's an amalgam of all of bobby's best feats taken to their full potential (something i'm still unsure we've seen though it's been hinted at...) there are scenes indicating bobby can literally exist within ALL the moisture on earth, that is shift his consciousness into moisture the entire planet away if he chose to. using that basis for his powerset, then the furnace scene really is inapplicable in THIS thread because he should easily have been able to shift his consciousness across the planet. it wouldn't matter at all if there were no moisture. hell, he should simply have inhabited the moisture inside kurt, as he has done in the past as well. seems lots of arguments here aren't using the form of bobby the thread was looking for. even tp wouldn't work (or at least it has failed in the past) because his consciousness can't be found, or it just keeps hopping around randomly.

now could he win the match? he could def taken some out, especially if he inhabits the water inside their bodies. but supes' cells work different and are 'super' tough. jonn's shift and i'm not sure if freezing them would work, at least it might not work indefinitely. would the ring prevent him or expel him from trying something like that at all to gl? maybe. could the ring somehow corral bobby's consciousness or track it so jonn could take him out? maybe.

so no, i don't think he could take them. too many great feats from the other side. but he'd cause some problems in this ultimate form for sure,

Absolute zero kind of breaks physics and nothing should be able to survive it so technically iceman should be way stronger than he is
Like legion should be dead after Bobby froze him
But hey its comics

Originally posted by hutchy1345
Absolute zero kind of breaks physics and nothing should be able to survive it so technically iceman should be way stronger than he is
Like legion should be dead after Bobby froze him
But hey its comics

Yes, Iceman is the one who is truly being held back by physics here, lmao.

If that was 616 Iceman, i'd call that bad writing. As it's AoA though, I'm not as pushed about it.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
So... the composite 616 + AoA version...?

Going giant, making ice clones, mist form, immortality or the next best thing to it...

Team's pretty f*cked.

616 version was doing much of the AoA plus smacking Thor around.

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Astonishing%20X-Men%20050%20019_zpsb3sghjxw.jpg
http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j165/A_Flight10/Astonishing%20X-Men%20050%20020_zpsxu0dfntn.jpg

Originally posted by "Id"
616 version was doing much of the AoA plus smacking Thor around.

That story didnt treat Thor the best, as Mystiqe (or one of those snowmen) one-shot him with little effort.

Originally posted by -K-M-
That story didnt treat Thor the best, as Mystiqe (or one of those snowmen) one-shot him with little effort.

That's actually Thor at his best. After he got cured from the Rage (of olympus) virus.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, Nightcrawler teleported him to the furnace specifically because it cut him off.

Iceman WAS trying very hard to kill them. It turned into a fist fight because Nightcrawler offered to make it fair, and fight him with no powers.

For those who want to read the whole issue:

http://viewcomic.com/uncanny-x-force-v1-024/

He even does the whole bodyjumping clone thing.

Edit: Hell, the storyline is even called, the Unkillable Kill. Bobby was plenty tough in that.

That fight was pis/cis incarnate man. Why didn't Bobby just transfer his consciousness to all the other clones?

How can you poke out his eyes, when it's made of ice?

How can a boiler effects him so bad, yet the Sun doesn't?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol, Nightcrawler teleported him to the furnace specifically because it cut him off.

Iceman WAS trying very hard to kill them. It turned into a fist fight because Nightcrawler offered to make it fair, and fight him with no powers.

For those who want to read the whole issue:

http://viewcomic.com/uncanny-x-force-v1-024/

He even does the whole bodyjumping clone thing.

Edit: Hell, the storyline is even called, the Unkillable Kill. Bobby was plenty tough in that.
Weaker versions of ICeman have stalemated the Human Torch on multiple occasions, yet this uber version gets wrecked by a furnace!

Random furnace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HT!

That furnace is Squirrel Girl level.

Originally posted by zopzop
Weaker versions of ICeman have stalemated the Human Torch on multiple occasions, yet this uber version gets wrecked by a furnace!

Random furnace >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HT!

They fought? I only remember them squabbling during onslaught

Iceman transferring his consciousness is about as likely as Manhunter doing it lmao

^^^so, limited only by the bias of the posters on the board. Gotcha! Lmao

Do the JLA also have unfettered use of their powers?

So all high feats for Iceman, and thus, GL etc?

What happens if he gets Boomtubed into the sun by Cyborg? He has planetary level powers, sure, but can he transfer his consciousness across space back to Earth?

Originally posted by riv6672
That furnace is Squirrel Girl level.
That furnace deserves it's own respect thread!

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Do the JLA also have unfettered use of their powers?

So all high feats for Iceman, and thus, GL etc?

What happens if he gets Boomtubed into the sun by Cyborg? He has planetary level powers, sure, but can he transfer his consciousness across space back to Earth?
I think the point of the thread is, that it would take Iceman at the highest of levels to compete with/possibly beat the standard JLA.

Mind you, i'm a proponent of "you're debating character B at his best, so character A should be debated that way, too", but really, the standard JLA is pretty scary powerful regardless.
So, if the answer is, "the JLA characters need to be at their highest levels to win", then the answer is really, "Iceman can win against the standard versions".

Iceman survived the whole thing with Fuego, so he's got better feats than the AoA version as far as survival goes.

I just don't see him coming even close to winning this.

sori icy. i wil mis u so. no one 2 freeze my coke

Originally posted by DarkSaint85


For those who want to read the whole issue:

http://viewcomic.com/uncanny-x-force-v1-024/


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Originally posted by JayDaDon
.....this site is the bees phucking knees

It's what helped me immensely when I was able to obtain my usual comics.

It has everything that released today as well. Its damn near too good to be true honestly.

Originally posted by JayDaDon
It has everything that released today as well. Its damn near too good to be true honestly.

Exactly, Jay.

It'll be a very sad day to see it taken down.

OAS is working as we speak....

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Exactly, Jay.

It'll be a very sad day to see it taken down.

Yeah at this point I take it as a blessing each time a site like this loads up as at any moment it probably won't.

Neat link.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23374/3071511-xmen199006ou2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23374/3071514-xmen199007hw8.jpg

I feel like these are interesting scans for iceman
In the first the nuclear explosion is clearly going off
And in the next it's frozen
Now I'm not going into the maths of that
But wow that must be INSANE reaction time AND freezing speed which I think is overlooked
Any thoughts?

Originally posted by hutchy1345
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23374/3071511-xmen199006ou2.jpg

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/2/23374/3071514-xmen199007hw8.jpg

I feel like these are interesting scans for iceman
In the first the nuclear explosion is clearly going off
And in the next it's frozen
Now I'm not going into the maths of that
But wow that must be INSANE reaction time AND freezing speed which I think is overlooked
Any thoughts?
Obviously, Furnace >>>>>>>>>>>>> nuke blast. I wonder how Furnace would do vs some of DC's premier cold users?

Originally posted by zopzop
Obviously, Furnace >>>>>>>>>>>>> nuke blast. I wonder how Furnace would do vs some of DC's premier cold users?

Considering room temperature hurts Freeze, and Cap Cold is a normal human, I wouldn't like their chances at all lol.

Furnace > all

Except iceman when well written...

Nuclear explosion reaction time has got to be nanosecond reaction time at least right? Considering he's right outside the building

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Considering room temperature hurts Freeze, and Cap Cold is a normal human, I wouldn't like their chances at all lol.

I think that the team can win with telepathy and dropping Iceman in a zone without moisture.

Kyle freezes Bobby to death.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I think that the team can win with telepathy and dropping Iceman in a zone without moisture.

Immune to telepathy

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Considering room temperature hurts Freeze, and Cap Cold is a normal human, I wouldn't like their chances at all lol.
I bet Killer Frost would stomp a hole in Furnace's chest cavity.

In all seriousness, I wonder what would happen to Ice and would her powers work there? What about Polar Boy?

Originally posted by hutchy1345
Immune to telepathy

Scan ?

Tp puts him down

He's immune to tp as his consciousness is spread throughout the world

Is he actually, though? Are there scans of this?

Jean couldn't find him when his molecules were spread out or some shit like that.

I don't trust you.

Originally posted by hutchy1345
He's immune to tp as his consciousness is spread throughout the world

That's a fan-speculation then, not an actual power he has.

http://viewcomic.com/astonishing-x-men-v3-063-2013/

Don't have a way to scan it but it's one of the last pages in that comic where wolverine etc are surrounded by iceman clones

I guess it's not as solid proof as I thought I remembered it being