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Lmfao.

Yes. Keep beating that dead horse.

You do know Bill still won by popular vote as well correct? He had overwhelming the higher voter count of all the people running.

Also most people simply point out the fact that the Electoral College may be past it's expiration date when someone can win the popular vote but still lose. I'm sure Republicans think differently otherwise two of their presidential candidates would have lost

I have to say, illegal voters tallies should immediately be removed from the popular vote status.

Originally posted by Surtur
I have to say, illegal voters tallies should immediately be removed from the popular vote status.

How do you determine illegal alien voters though, no one is asking folks that bring photo id's are you an illegal immigrant?

I guess that is true. So if people are estimating 2-3 million illegals voted? I guess our only solution is to just remove 2-3 million votes from her.

Sucks for H-Dog, but that's what happens when you support Sanctuary Cities.

Also this could have been a lot worse, thank god the election wasn't decided by a bunch of illegal voters. That would have truly been something to protest about. Either legal citizens decide this shit or nobody does.

Originally posted by Newjak
You do know Bill still won by popular vote as well correct? He had overwhelming the higher voter count of all the people running.

Also most people simply point out the fact that the Electoral College may be past it's expiration date when someone can win the popular vote but still lose. I'm sure Republicans think differently otherwise two of their presidential candidates would have lost

But you and I both know the democrats would think differently about the EC too if it had been the reason Hilary won lol. It's part of the reason for the humor, a good chunk of them genuinely seem to be under the impression they'd be just as pissed off even if Trump got the popular vote and Hilary won the election. They really wouldn't be though. The Washington Post would probably write an article hailing the EC as the best thing since sliced bread.

I would love to have a window into a parallel universe where Trump won the popular vote, but lost the election. So I could just record the reactions from politicians and celebrities and compare it to the ones here who are saying the EC is basically the worst thing since Jesus died.

Ziggy is really still worked up over all this. Move on, guy.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ziggy is really still worked up over all this. Move on, guy.

You have said more than once you love when you feel people are over reacting and taking it too seriously and all that stuff. So why do you keep telling people to move on?

In 2012, Donald Trump complained about Obama allegedly losing the popular vote but winning the election, and demanded protests - .i.e. exactly what's happening to him right now.

Deducing hypocrisy from that, of course, lies far beyond Ziggy's feeble intellectual capacity.

Prefacing a dumb, hypocritical point with "regardless of" doesn't preclude people from commenting on it, sweetie.

I guess I should've elaborated with that, since you do sometimes need things repeated to you in special ways for you to understand it.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Prefacing a dumb, hypocritical point with "regardless of" doesn't preclude people from commenting on it, sweetie.

Well that's cute, because for it to even be a hypocritical point, you'd have to find a quote of me denouncing the electoral process after Obama had won, sweetie, much like i can dig out several quotes of you cock-surely telling people to place bets on Trump, and then crying that the electorate isn't fair after loosing.

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
Well that's cute, because for it to even be a hypocritical point, you'd have to find a quote of me denouncing the electoral process after Obama had won, sweetie,

Either it's hypocrisy, or it's that you hold protesters to higher standards than your preferred president. I'm assuming you did not desire someone who exuded "historical ignorance and incoherence" to be commander in chief, but perhaps I overestimated you.



You obviously don't understand how probabilities work, but I guess that's to be expected, given the body of evidence we see. Hillary's defeat was not impossible, it was just incredibly improbable, and required a confluence of both random and systemic polling errors, as well as well-timed incidents such as Comey.



Your attempts to poison the well aside, something tells me that your defense of the electoral college is probably incredibly asinine. I know what idiotic claims you're going to throw out, of course.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/us-election-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-donald-trump-electoral-college-a7429291.html

http://time.com/4578910/hillary-clinton-popular-vote-trump/



haermm

Hilarious! Hilary just keeps getting owned. It sucks she didn't get enough votes in the states that mattered though, but oh well. Too late now.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Either it's hypocrisy, or it's that you hold protesters to higher standards than your preferred president. I'm assuming you did not desire someone who exuded "historical ignorance and incoherence" to be commander in chief, but perhaps I overestimated you.

You obviously don't understand how probabilities work, but I guess that's to be expected, given the body of evidence we see. Hillary's defeat was not impossible, it was just incredibly improbable, and required a confluence of both random and systemic polling errors, as well as well-timed incidents such as Comey.

Your attempts to poison the well aside, something tells me that your defense of the electoral college is probably incredibly asinine. I know what idiotic claims you're going to throw out, of course.

Exit polls have not indicated that Comey caused Hillary to lose. I don't know why people buy this, either. More likely, it helped her because they "cleared" her and he wrote a clarifying letter before they "cleared" her. In my opinion, it was intended to help her and Comey was on her side.

Bernie, someone pretty much all of us in this forum like, even states that it didn't cause her to lose.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/11/14/bernie-no-comey-didnt-lose-the-election-for-hillary-n2245669

Based on the actual opinions from people in the swing states, Hillary lost because it was a massive "f*** you" to the democrats and especially Hillary.

Washington Post had a nice write up and even talks about some of the exit polling:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/14/one-of-hillary-clintons-top-aides-nailed-exactly-why-she-lost/

I see some sites trying to pass off the Comey thing as what caused Clinton to lose. There was evidence, months before general election day, that Hillary would lose. We (mainstream media) just ignored it. And many Dem. pundits had and continue to talk about this. Dems. were disenchanted with Hillary since the Bernie debacle. Why did Hillary Clinton REALLY lose? She was too wooden and did not resonate with the working class. She lost the swing states SPECIFICALLY because of this. As I pointed out, exit polls indicated Trump was less trusted and less fit to be president than Hillary...but they still voted AGAINST Hillary. Read that: against Hillary, not for Trump, AGAINST Hillary. As I have been telling people, Trump didn't win, Hillary lost and there is a difference.

And it seems odd that people forget that the Comey thing actually helped Clinton as reported by some news sources:

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/29/comey-letter-backfires-email-scandal-revival-energizes-hillary-clinton-supporters.html

The "Comey made Hillary lose" rhetoric needs to die a very quick death.

Perhaps my mind can be changed. But I'm not buying that Comey lost Clinton the election. I didn't forget that people thought it helped her when it broke. I didn't forget that people (including important people and talking heads in the media) thought it was setup by Hillary when Comey cleared her BEFORE election day. And I certainly did not forget that Hillary made a massive surge a couple of days leading up to election day, in the polls.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Bernie, someone pretty much all of us in this forum like,

He's a piece of socialist trash, but an honest one, I'll give you that uhuh

Game Recognise Game

Bernies a Great Guy Man

Originally posted by shiv
Game Recognise Game

Bernies a Great Guy Man
Socialists are by default enemies of humankind, even if they appear friendly in person tbh. It is their failed and twisted ideology that makes it so. Nothing personal.

But I am sure he really believes in that, and he is honest in contrast to Hillary, that's for sure. He comes off as likeable on TV, that I can agree on too.

Her defeat wasn't on Comey. Why is this this so hard to understand? It was on HER. Ultimately, SHE did this. Not Comey, not Facebook, not wikileaks, Hilary Rodham Clinton bears the brunt of this responsibility.

You can say the shit with Comey and all that didn't help, and it sure didn't..but that is some shit she could have easily side stepped if she wasn't..well, Hilary Clinton lol. If she wasn't the corrupt liar she actually is..those obstacles would have been ones she could overcome. Especially since her opponent was Trump lol.

Popular vote doesn't matter in America lol. Don't know why people keep bringing it up and getting all butt-hurt over this. If Trump had cared about winning the popular vote, he would've campaigned differently. But that's not how our elections work.

This thread = Alternative Facts.

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