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Which one would you pick?

power cosmic. no contest.


brb

atomize entire planets

manipulate all forms of energy

absorb all forms of energy

do i even have to explain all the shit surfer does?

Originally posted by ghostman
power cosmic. no contest.


brb

atomize entire planets

manipulate all forms of energy

absorb all forms of energy

do i even have to explain all the shit surfer does?

Speed Force.

Infinite mass punch
Infinite mass durability
Infinite mass speed
Infinite mass speed steal
Infinite mass bfr

With Flash's powers you could f*ck all the girls on the planet in less than one nanosecond haermm

With Surfer's powers, you have no penis.

So basically a one trick pony? Stilt I saw a scan where SS actually changed skin from Silver Metallic to humanoid to bone s chick.

With the Speed Force, you'd be safe wherever you go...

With the Power Cosmic, Mexicans can make you a sex slave for their bondage parties:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111189484/4151450-8803138052-28136.jpg

Originally posted by golem370
So basically a one trick pony? Stilt I saw a scan where SS actually changed skin from Silver Metallic to humanoid to bone s chick.

Recent comic?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
With the Speed Force, you'd be safe wherever you go...

With the Power Cosmic, Mexicans can make you a sex slave for their bondage parties:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111189484/4151450-8803138052-28136.jpg


surfer looks very handsome in those first two panels

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Recent comic?

when surfer returns to earth to bone alicia masters


in between silver surfer 100 to like 120

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
With the Speed Force, you'd be safe wherever you go...

With the Power Cosmic, Mexicans can make you a sex slave for their bondage parties:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11118/111189484/4151450-8803138052-28136.jpg

I can't tell if your post is supposed to be in favor of the Power Cosmic or not.

None of the above. Give me Psionics ala Plutonian, X-Man, Sentry.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
With Surfer's powers, you have no penis.

Aaaaaaand /thread.

Of course Surfer has a dick. But he also has no clothes. He uses the power cosmic to camouflage his dong. The guy does have some modesty.

Even Galactus wouldn't take that away from a man.

They're both universal forces in their respective universe's and realities. Tie.

both and then combine them with my batman abilities

I'm not sure if I can change my first opinion on the matter. Does the Power Cosmic exist in the DC Universe? If it does, that would make it more important overall than the Speed Force which only exists in DC. If so, the Power Cosmic wins out. If not I return to my first opinion of the two forces being equal representations of critical universal forces in their respective universes. At least that's what it all boils down to IMO.

Originally posted by golem370
So basically a one trick pony? Stilt I saw a scan where SS actually changed skin from Silver Metallic to humanoid to bone s chick.

There are several tricks.

Accelerating the neurons in the brain:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/spedbraishift.jpg

Oh, and speedforce constructs:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/speeforsuit3.jpg

That responds to his thoughts:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/speair.jpg

Then there's the speedsteal, which Wally doesn't even need to touch in order to use:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/2950485-speedstealdistance.jpg

Plus BFR into the speedforce, time travel etc...

Other tricks, like becoming intangible:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/undegrovi.jpghttp://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/undegrovi2.jpg

Being immune to magic:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/suvkad.jpg

Electrical powers:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/elctromag2.jpg

Speed LENDING:
http://i.imgur.com/9G2Eh0v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t8jQudP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/k2v9qIg.jpg

Or using speed lending to become a lightspeed machine gunner:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/thourock.jpg

Basic matter manip:
http://i.imgur.com/tEWvbXo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MFt9J8m.jpg

Healing from having a hole blasted through you:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel.jpg

Oh, and he can plan all of this out whenever he wants:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/FlashV2229page15.jpg

It's mainly the speed, for me. Sure, the PC can also accelerate me to have fast reflexes, but let's keep things simple.

Why would anyone want to have the speed force?

Originally posted by ghostman
surfer looks very handsome in those first two panels Kirby Surfer = the best.

P.S. Power Cosmic for the win cuza Kirby krackle.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
There are several tricks.

Accelerating the neurons in the brain:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/spedbraishift.jpg

Oh, and speedforce constructs:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/speeforsuit3.jpg

That responds to his thoughts:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/speair.jpg

Then there's the speedsteal, which Wally doesn't even need to touch in order to use:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/145371/2950485-speedstealdistance.jpg

Plus BFR into the speedforce, time travel etc...

Other tricks, like becoming intangible:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/undegrovi.jpghttp://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/undegrovi2.jpg

Being immune to magic:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/suvkad.jpg

Electrical powers:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/elctromag2.jpg

Speed LENDING:
http://i.imgur.com/9G2Eh0v.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/t8jQudP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/k2v9qIg.jpg

Or using speed lending to become a lightspeed machine gunner:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/thourock.jpg

Basic matter manip:
http://i.imgur.com/tEWvbXo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/MFt9J8m.jpg

Healing from having a hole blasted through you:
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/Wally_Respect3/accecel.jpg

Oh, and he can plan all of this out whenever he wants:
http://i242.photobucket.com/albums/ff102/Wally_Respect2/FlashV2229page15.jpg

It's mainly the speed, for me. Sure, the PC can also accelerate me to have fast reflexes, but let's keep things simple.


What do you think the possibility that SS could manipulate the Speed Force?

Originally posted by golem370
What do you think the possibility that SS could manipulate the Speed Force?

Minuscule. It chooses you, not the other way around, IIRC.

Originally posted by golem370
What do you think the possibility that SS could manipulate the Speed Force?

of course he can, captain atom has.

Cap didn't manipulate speed force.

Surfer manipulating speed force is unlikely to say in the least.

depends on the level of each you're talking about. take the PC to its end and you have galactus--basic reality manipulation, uber levels of psionic abilities and cosmic awareness. all those abilities come with using the PC effectively. even ss has all those powers, just at a lower level. meanwhile, take the sf to its end and you have wally. def powerful. but a universal level force? not quite....

sounds like lots of people are comparing ss's level of pc with wally. but pc doesn't end with ss. seems like most are comparing ss/wally. that's not what this thread is asking. at it's highest levels, hard not to say pc>sf in most ways. /shrug

I'd go Power Cosmic.

Infinit Mass punch Means to punch somebody with the force of the universe he should be able to knock superboy prime out and anybody whos not stronger than the universe

To clarify when somebody enters hyperspace can they then hit someone with the equivalent of infinite mass?

No.

I thought Infinite Mass had something to do with the mass of an object traveling the speed of light.

Originally posted by golem370
I thought Infinite Mass had something to do with the mass of an object traveling the speed of light. Only Speed force can

I don't think entering hyperspace is quite the same thing in DC. For the IMP, it's just hitting someone at insane speeds, at least at the speed of light.

Also for all the people who wonder why Flash doesn't do these thousands of IMP feats, when he does do it to a Martian he does remark he *could* do that if he wanted.

But still I feel like if the power cosmic leads to mexican bondage parties then how does one NOT choose the PC?

I just don't understand what's appealing about the speed force.

The powers are great for forum battling, but shit for everything else.

Originally posted by golem370
I thought Infinite Mass had something to do with the mass of an object traveling the speed of light.

It does. In normal physics. But the whole point of hyperspace is that normal physical laws don't apply.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I just don't understand what's appealing about the speed force.

The powers are great for forum battling, but shit for everything else.

Yeah, plus Surfer seems functionally immortal.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It does. In normal physics. But the whole point of hyperspace is that normal physical laws don't apply.

But if Some can travel at lightspeed they hit with infinite mass right?

Originally posted by golem370
But if Some can travel at lightspeed they hit with infinite mass right?

Should be, depending on how they travel.

Originally posted by "Id"
None of the above. Give me Psionics ala Plutonian, X-Man, Sentry.

Seconded.

Power cosmic

Silver Surfer can do basically anything, including simulating Flash's powers to the point they are almost indistinguishable plus retaining his own powers on top of them.

Well if we can just "lol nope" the choices given and choose our own then I'd just choose reality warping.

Originally posted by Surtur
Well if we can just "lol nope" the choices given and choose our own then I'd just choose reality warping.

I choose death slashing.

Can't the Power Cosmic warp reality? I think Marvel got lazy after SS they never made the other herald near as versatile.

He's by far the smartest of them and even before he was transformed he was a scientist who lived for centuries

Utopian type life style.

Originally posted by golem370
Can't the Power Cosmic warp reality?

Well he does do stuff like this:

http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/silver-surfer-creates-and-destroys-life.jpg



I think it's more that SS is the most popular herald and the one with the most appearances.

It's a mix between what Galactus designs and the mentality of the wielder of the power. Morg is arguably the second most powerful of them but he's too one-track minded to go outside the boundaries of being an ax murderer

Virtually immortal
Never has to eat or sleep.
Can cure an entire planets disease with his power
Doesn't need to breathe
Can see/sense things on a cosmic or microscopic scale

It boils down to... Would you rather be flash and do one thing incredibly well...
Or be the surfer and do virtually anything you want even if you aren't the best at any particular thing...

Ss also evoled an entire planet of beings.

Yeah, they want through billions of years of evolution in moments. Though it obviously seems to be quite taxing on him, so it also perhaps gives us a good idea of his limits.

It wasn't that taxing. He incinerated he entire planet after that. Infact he evolved them by accident iirc

Would I choose to have the powers of Galactusbir flash?

Not much of a choice

Originally posted by Surtur
Yeah, they want through billions of years of evolution in moments. Though it obviously seems to be quite taxing on him, so it also perhaps gives us a good idea of his limits.
Originally posted by Genii96
It wasn't that taxing. He incinerated he entire planet after that. Infact he evolved them by accident iirc
Yeah he was actually trying to commit suicide at that point. That's why the whole evolution process got away from him the way it did. He poured every bit of energy into the job of healing the near dead planet thinking it would be enough to off himself... only it wasn't and the whole thing spiraled out of his control.

How has this become more about the character's that use these powers,
and not about the powers themselves? At their utmost, aren't they
roughly equal? I mean let's just say that Norrin represented the entire
Power Cosmic, and Wally represented the entire Speed Force, how would
one of these guys be more powerful than the other?

Saying SS in this thread is like the potential of possibilities with the power cosmic and Flash as a representative of the speedforce. Power Cosmic & Speed-force does nothing without a wielder of said power.

Originally posted by golem370
Saying SS in this thread is like the potential of possibilities with the power cosmic and Flash as a representative of the speedforce. Power Cosmic & Speed-force does nothing without a wielder of said power.

Which is why I said that if you were to give them both the totality of both
powers, you would likely end up with two forces of equal power. Both the
Power Cosmic, and the Speed Force are both essential forces in their
respective universes.

In a fight, possibly. This thread is just us living our lives with the power though. I feel like I could do far more good with the Power Cosmic, with much less effort.