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Bone from Blood and Bone

VS

Ip Man from Ip Man 3

Round 1: Pure H2H.

Round 2: Bone gets a Sword and a Scabbard he used at the end of the film. Ip Man can use either a pair of Butterfly Swords or a Staff.

The fight takes place inside of a roman colosseum.

Who wins and why?

dat nigga Bone

Hes as skilled as Ip only bigger and stronger.

Bone dominates h2h. As good as Ip man is he doesn't have the knockout power of Bone nor the ground game.

Weapons is a toss up, though it's not fair to give Ip 2 swords while only giving Bone a sword and scabbard. And staff > short sword.

Ip Man both rounds, bone only defeated no name martial artists.

yeah but he did it with absolute ease, Ip also defeated no names so whats your point?

Bone has a big size advantage, has proven knockout power against heavyweights and has exceptional ground/grappling skills. I don't see how IP wins h2h.

Ip can win with weapons though. Not only is he given better weapons in this match, he also has more feats to grab from.

Originally posted by relentless1
yeah but he did it with absolute ease, Ip also defeated no names so whats your point?

bone defeated no name street fighters while ip man defeated different martial arts masters.

you guys stretching bones capabilities too much.

he easily defeated the best underground fighter in the world in his last fight, thats just as good as any of Ip's opponents

Ip has defeated opponents with Wire-Fu powers and fought guys with flat out super strength like Frank(Tyson)

He's also far faster and definitely more skilled than anyone Bone has ever fought.

Originally posted by relentless1
he easily defeated the best underground fighter in the world in his last fight, thats just as good as any of Ip's opponents

best underground fighter in the world with no feats, yeah bone will definitely win

Originally posted by Drsoe08
bone defeated no name street fighters while ip man defeated different martial arts masters.

you guys stretching bones capabilities too much.

Majority of the fighters IP fought were also no name fighters. And if you want to claim that they were "master martial artists" then we should also consider that Bone fought through fighter rankings, which means he started eventually fighting opponents who've fought and won multiple fights... and he beat them with more ease than Ip man.

Then you have the Twister fight which proves that Ip doesn't quite have the knockout power to to easily take out a heavyweight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Majority of the fighters IP fought were also no name fighters. And if you want to claim that they were "master martial artists" then we should also consider that Bone fought through fighter rankings, which means he started eventually fighting opponents who've fought and won multiple fights... and he beat them with more ease than Ip man.

Then you have the Twister fight which proves that Ip doesn't quite have the knockout power to to easily take out a heavyweight.

The Masters were all known as the best fighters in China. Ip beat all of them easily. And they all had names as they ran their own schools for decades, and beat multiple other Masters each to attain their ranks.

Almost no one Bone fought even had a name aside from The Hammer and Pretty Boy Price.

Frank(Tyson) would shit on Twister, and Ip tied with him. He sent a guy flying out of a bullpen, using a block pad, with a straight right. Ip went the distance and time ran out.

But if you want to use Twister, keep in mind Ip was prohibited from kicking and grappling, which crippled his entire fighting style. Also note that because of that, we see Ip has no problem using pressure points and attacking muscles/nerves etc... directly.

So you have Ip who is faster, more skilled, stronger(he has feats sending guys flying with slight taps and destroying concrete with a wooden staff) than anyone Bone fought. And is also a main character. Who beat all of his opponents with ease except the Masters(who he held back against out of respect for their seniority), Twister(he was gimped and still easily won once he figured out his tactics), and Frank(a superhuman boxer who he went even with)

He is leagues above anyone Bone fought, who were apparently all trash as he didn't struggle a single time in the entire movie, even against the world champ.

Isaiah crushes it.

Originally posted by Drsoe08
best underground fighter in the world with no feats, yeah bone will definitely win

so what feats exactly did all those "masters" have in and of the Ip movies?? the one master who was on equal terms with Ip got killed by twister and everyone else...whos featless btw he made all of em look like chumps. even the other wing chun master in Ip 3 had the same feats as Ip (fighting the gang) and they were even until the end of their 1v1 fight so anyone who has even an iota of provable feats Ip always has trouble with, Bone on the other hand dummied everyone with EASE.

Originally posted by relentless1
so what feats exactly did all those "masters" have in and of the Ip movies?? the one master who was on equal terms with Ip got killed by twister and everyone else...whos featless btw he made all of em look like chumps. even the other wing chun master in Ip 3 had the same feats as Ip (fighting the gang) and they were even until the end of their 1v1 fight so anyone who has even an iota of provable feats Ip always has trouble with, Bone on the other hand dummied everyone with EASE.

Ip struggled because the other fighters are also skilled, second he took tons of damage from twister but still won the fight

Unlike bone who only defeated street chumps with no skill ip man defeated fighters with substantial skill ( twister, the 10 black belts, the Northerner, the other wing chun master etc.)

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Ip vs Cheung Tin Chi

Notice here Ip uses both the staff and the butterfly knives from the OP. Notice the skill, speed, and precision. As well as the sheer strength(puncturing and damaging concrete with a staff, injuring ears with the reverberation of their blades, etc...)

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Bone vs Pretty Boy Price(Underground World Champ)

Notice that while skilled, Bone and Price are both slow as shit.

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Bone Sword Fight

Here he uses the sword/scabbard from the op. Again, notice just how slow he is.

Bone shouldn't even land a hit on Ip who takes on dozens of armed men at once without getting touched.

Originally posted by KingD19
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Ip vs Cheung Tin Chi

Notice here Ip uses both the staff and the butterfly knives from the OP. Notice the skill, speed, and precision. As well as the sheer strength(puncturing and damaging concrete with a staff, injuring ears with the reverberation of their blades, etc...)

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Bone vs Pretty Boy Price(Underground World Champ)

Notice that while skilled, Bone and Price are both slow as shit.

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Bone Sword Fight

Here he uses the sword/scabbard from the op. Again, notice just how slow he is.

Bone shouldn't even land a hit on Ip who takes on dozens of armed men at once without getting touched. It depends on the Martial Art being used.

Not every martial art is fast and flashy like wing chun.

There are even forms of Martial Arts that only cover holds and breaking holds, with striking not being an aspect of him.

Also, its because Bone is being smart and sizing up his opponent, neither Price nor Bone wants to mess up against each other, because one mistake can end it. Sizing up is actually part of the movie.

You first see it when Bone fights Big Lamar, and then against the "Man with the Golden Grill", and against Price as well. Both testing each other to see if they will flinch.

Bone's superior technique and power might just negate Ip Man's speed altogether.

Bone also doesn't have to be incredibly fast with his blows, he just needs to be fast enough to dodge, then find a way to counter.

Problem is, Ip Man IS quite skilled, so its a toss-up.

Originally posted by Drsoe08
Ip struggled because the other fighters are also skilled, second he took tons of damage from twister but still won the fight

Unlike bone who only defeated street chumps with no skill ip man defeated fighters with substantial skill ( twister, the 10 black belts, the Northerner, the other wing chun master etc.)

Funny how you're willing to attribute skill to IP's opponents based solely on the fact that they're called "masters" and yet refuse to attribute skill to Pretty boy Price despite him being world champion. Biased much?

Originally posted by KingD19
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Ip vs Cheung Tin Chi

Notice here Ip uses both the staff and the butterfly knives from the OP. Notice the skill, speed, and precision. As well as the sheer strength(puncturing and damaging concrete with a staff, injuring ears with the reverberation of their blades, etc...)

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Bone vs Pretty Boy Price(Underground World Champ)

Notice that while skilled, Bone and Price are both slow as shit.

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Bone Sword Fight

Here he uses the sword/scabbard from the op. Again, notice just how slow he is.

Bone shouldn't even land a hit on Ip who takes on dozens of armed men at once without getting touched.

1. Lightweights will almost always be faster than heavyweights. Simple physics. Doesn't mean they can't get hit by heavyweights. See Twister fight.

2. Just because Bone isn't always striking doesn't mean he's slow. He's good at picking his shots and his shots are almost always powershots, capable of knocking out heavyweights with one hit. Ip man won't survive too many of those hits. And Ip won't be able to do much if Bone gets him to the ground.

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Ip vs Frank(Mike Tyson)

Frank is several times stronger than Twister, having borderline if not just over the edge super strength in the film. And also a better fighter and faster as well, seeing as how he tied with Ip who was going all out, and is even bigger than Twister. Yet Twister lost to a gimped Ip with fewer feats. Bone is just slow in comparison.

Ip has already tied with this guy, who would beat Bone imo based on comparative fights/feats.

Round 2 definitely goes to Ip, who has far more and better weapon feats.

Originally posted by KingD19
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Ip vs Frank(Mike Tyson)

Frank is several times stronger than Twister, having borderline if not just over the edge super strength in the film. And also a better fighter and faster as well, seeing as how he tied with Ip who was going all out, and is even bigger than Twister. Yet Twister lost to a gimped Ip with fewer feats. Bone is just slow in comparison.

Ip has already tied with this guy, who would beat Bone imo based on comparative fights/feats.

Round 2 definitely goes to Ip, who has far more and better weapon feats.

First off, where are you getting that Frank is stronger and faster than Twister? Do you have any proof of this? It certainly isn't shown in the vid you posted. After all, Twister was the one who was able to kill a martial arts master and was hurting Ip even with gloves on.

Second, nothing in that vid shows that Frank is faster than Bone. And so what if Ip tied with him? Ip man tied with a pure boxer. Whoopidoo. He tied with Frank by using fists, elbows and kicks against a guy who used pure fists. Not exactly a great showing for Ip man.

Guess what, Bone can box, kick and grapple. he also knows more styles than Ip man and has better feats than Frank.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Funny how you're willing to attribute skill to IP's opponents based solely on the fact that they're called "masters" and yet refuse to attribute skill to Pretty boy Price despite him being world champion. Biased much?

Because the fighters that ip fought are skilled, the mere fact that twister defeated the rival of ip is a feat of skill.

How about the opponent's of bone? Did they showed any remarkable feats? Its not hard to see that ip is more skilled than bone due to the fact that ip faced more challenging fights than bone and again bone only defeated street chumps. Deal with it

You guys are crazy. Ip man is suspect when it comes boxers and American fighters. Bone would best frank in less than a minute.
Bone can easily beat Ip man by grappling him.

Originally posted by h1a8
You guys are crazy. Ip man is suspect when it comes boxers and American fighters. Bone would best frank in less than a minute.
Bone can easily beat Ip man by grappling him.

He only fought 2 boxers, twister and frank

Ips fight against twister was a handicap match (ips moveset was restricted, no kicks and grappling) but still he defeated twister, btw twister is not an american he was british

And ip stalemated frank.

Originally posted by Drsoe08
He only fought 2 boxers, twister and frank

Ips fight against twister was a handicap match (ips moveset was restricted, no kicks and grappling) but still he defeated twister, btw twister is not an american he was british

And ip stalemated frank.

The fight against Twister wasn't a handicap because both fighters were restricted to hands only. That's not handicapping, that's called making the fight fair. If anything, Twister was at a disadvantage because he was wearing gloves.

Ip tying with Frank is an even worse argument for Ip because he tied with a pure boxer, using pure fists, while Ip himself used every available tool in his arsenal to simply tie. Bone won't just be using fists. Bottom line is, Ip Man always has trouble fighting heavy weights. But unlike Twister and Frank, Bone actually can use more than just his fists to fight.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The fight against Twister wasn't a handicap because both fighters were restricted to hands only. That's not handicapping, that's called making the fight fair. If anything, Twister was at a disadvantage because he was wearing gloves.

Ip tying with Frank is an even worse argument for Ip because he tied with a pure boxer, using pure fists, while Ip himself used every available tool in his arsenal to simply tie. Bone won't just be using fists. Bottom line is, Ip Man always has trouble fighting heavy weights. But unlike Twister and Frank, Bone actually can use more than just his fists to fight.


wasnt a handicap match? are you serious? twister is more bigger, stronger & more heavier than ip and making the restricted to hands only makes this a HUGE disadvantage to ip. its just like saying that a small bjj fighter will fight a heavyweight boxer but they are restricted to hands only no grappling no kicks and by your standard that will make a "fair fight" smh

did you really watched ip man 3? frank clearly stated that if ip man survives a 3 minute fight against him then he will not bother ip anymore, they were not fighting all out.

how about bone? did he faced any skilled fighters? are you saying that hammerman is more skilled than twister? whats your evidence?

bone only defeated no name street thugs, but i guess thats your definition of a skilled fighter

Originally posted by Drsoe08
wasnt a handicap match? are you serious? twister is more bigger, stronger & more heavier than ip and making the restricted to hands only makes this a HUGE disadvantage to ip. its just like saying that a small bjj fighter will fight a heavyweight boxer but they are restricted to hands only no grappling no kicks and by your standard that will make a "fair fight" smh

did you really watched ip man 3? frank clearly stated that if ip man survives a 3 minute fight against him then he will not bother ip anymore, they were not fighting all out.

how about bone? did he faced any skilled fighters? are you saying that hammerman is more skilled than twister? whats your evidence?

bone only defeated no name street thugs, but i guess thats your definition of a skilled fighter

I guess the world underground mma champ is considered a regular street thug with no skill eh? And no, Bone did not fight street thugs, he fought street fighters. There's a difference.

It's not a handicap because Twister and Ip were both relegated to fists only. A handicap is when one person is given a clear advantage over the other, like if Ip was allowed to kick whereas Twister was only allowed hands. Being naturally bigger than your opponent is not a handicap. That's a natural advantage.

And you failed to address my 3rd point: which was that Ip was unable to take out Frank even if Ip was utilizing all his moves, from punches to elbows to kicks to grappling, whereas Frank was only using fists. That's actually a pretty bad showing for Ip Man.

Not only is Bone bigger than Frank, he's also faster with a whole lot more technique available to him.

Originally posted by FrothByte
I guess the world underground mma champ is considered a regular street thug with no skill eh? And no, Bone did not fight street thugs, he fought street fighters. There's a difference.

It's not a handicap because Twister and Ip were both relegated to fists only. A handicap is when one person is given a clear advantage over the other, like if Ip was allowed to kick whereas Twister was only allowed hands. Being naturally bigger than your opponent is not a handicap. That's a natural advantage.

And you failed to address my 3rd point: which was that Ip was unable to take out Frank even if Ip was utilizing all his moves, from punches to elbows to kicks to grappling, whereas Frank was only using fists. That's actually a pretty bad showing for Ip Man.

Not only is Bone bigger than Frank, he's also faster with a whole lot more technique available to him.


do you mean the featless mma underground champ? the northerner from the first movie can defeat him and most of the street fighters in the movie was also a street thug (e.g hammerman)

if you have all the advantages in a fight isnt that a HANDICAP to the part of your opponent?

with all the advantages of twister he was still defeated even tho ip man was badly hurt (durability feat)

again, the ip man vs frank fight was not about who takes out who, frank stated that if ip man survives for 3 minutes frank will leave ip's family alone.(if they go all out it will be just like the twister fight)

Originally posted by Drsoe08
do you mean the featless mma underground champ? the northerner from the first movie can defeat him and most of the street fighters in the movie was also a street thug (e.g hammerman)

if you have all the advantages in a fight isnt that a HANDICAP to the part of your opponent?

with all the advantages of twister he was still defeated even tho ip man was badly hurt (durability feat)

again, the ip man vs frank fight was not about who takes out who, frank stated that if ip man survives for 3 minutes frank will leave ip's family alone.(if they go all out it will be just like the twister fight)

1. Funny how you keep undermining Pretty Boy Price just because he's featless when pretty much all the opponents of Ip man were equally just as featless. Biased much?

2. Having all the advantages in a FAIR fight is not a handicap, that is simply having advantages. A handicap is when the rules specifically allow advantages to one while banning them from the other. You'll see none of that in the Twister fight since they were enforced the same rules. In fact, like I said, the only one who was truly handicapped was Twister since he was wearing gloves. Also note how Ip was unable to beat Twister in a pure fist match and had to resort to nerve strikes to win. Guess what, Bone is not limited to just punching and if Ip tries his nerve strikes Bone will just end up grappling him.

3. You originally made such a big deal that Frank could only tie with Ip. Then when I mentioned all the advantages IP had and was still unable to finish the fight, you start mentioning how it wasn't a proper fight. Bottom line is that Ip man was unable to finish a heavyweight boxer within 3 minutes, and this despite the fact that Ip used his full arsenal against someone purely boxing. Bone finished all his opponents in under a minute. And not only is he bigger and fitter than Frank, he's also faster and a lot more skilled with way more feats.

There is a reason why fighters fight in their same weight class.
Ip Man would be at a disadvantage fighting someone much heavier with almost equal skill.

Originally posted by h1a8
There is a reason why fighters fight in their same weight class.
Ip Man would be at a disadvantage fighting someone much heavier with almost equal skill.

I might even put Bone's skill higher than Ip Man. Bone displayed more fighting styles than Ip Man's pure wing chun. And though knowing more styles does not automatically mean one is more skilled, the fact that Bone was almost never hit during his fights speaks of great skill. Something which Ip can't claim.

Round 1 : too close to call, it may go either way

Round 2: ip definitely takes this, he showed more feats using weapons than bone

Originally posted by FrothByte
1. Funny how you keep undermining Pretty Boy Price just because he's featless when pretty much all the opponents of Ip man were equally just as featless. Biased much?

2. Having all the advantages in a FAIR fight is not a handicap, that is simply having advantages. A handicap is when the rules specifically allow advantages to one while banning them from the other. You'll see none of that in the Twister fight since they were enforced the same rules. In fact, like I said, the only one who was truly handicapped was Twister since he was wearing gloves. Also note how Ip was unable to beat Twister in a pure fist match and had to resort to nerve strikes to win. Guess what, Bone is not limited to just punching and if Ip tries his nerve strikes Bone will just end up grappling him.

3. You originally made such a big deal that Frank could only tie with Ip. Then when I mentioned all the advantages IP had and was still unable to finish the fight, you start mentioning how it wasn't a proper fight. Bottom line is that Ip man was unable to finish a heavyweight boxer within 3 minutes, and this despite the fact that Ip used his full arsenal against someone purely boxing. Bone finished all his opponents in under a minute. And not only is he bigger and fitter than Frank, he's also faster and a lot more skilled with way more feats.



1. i'm not undermining price i'm just stating a fact that he is a featless character. btw whats your evidence that he is a very skilled fighter? any feats of strength, speed, durability or skill?

2. ok fine, but still ip man defeated twister even tho he was badly hurt.

3. you should watch frank vs ip man again, frank demonstrated borderline superhuman strength and striking power the mere fact that ip tanked/deflected/parried those shots indicates that he has great durability.
bone finished all his opponents under a minute because he fought fodders which is not that impressive considering that ip casually do that in his movies

The people Ip fought were featless?

Twister was a world champ in official boxing. So we know how good he was, especially since he had Ip on the ropes. Price was an underground champ, so you can't just gauge how good he actually is based on that. All we know is Bone beat him.

The Masters Ip fought had all been fully established for years as the best in Foshan. And all had already beaten multiple other Masters to be accepted into the club.

Frank had literal low end superhuman strength, for instance it takes an amazing amount of force to jab a man in his side while you're laying on your back and send him sliding across the floor. Or uppercutting him so hard his body destroys a window frame from the impact. Or when he gave his henchman a right straight that sent him flying 15 feet away while having a punching pad in place.

Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan with ease. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just wins and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed on multiple occasions.

Literally no one Bone fights has any feats aside from losing to Bone.

Ip's opponents have feats, skill(the named ones anyway), and even overwhelming numbers. Bone's fights just have him winning.

Originally posted by KingD19
The people Ip fought were featless?

Twister was a world champ in official boxing. So we know how good he was, especially since he had Ip on the ropes. Price was an underground champ, so you can't just gauge how good he actually is based on that. All we know is Bone beat him.

The Masters Ip fought had all been fully established for years as the best in Foshan. And all had already beaten multiple other Masters to be accepted into the club.

Frank had literal low end superhuman strength, for instance it takes an amazing amount of force to jab a man in his side while you're laying on your back and send him sliding across the floor. Or uppercutting him so hard his body destroys a window frame from the impact. Or when he gave his henchman a right straight that sent him flying 15 feet away while having a punching pad in place.

Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan with ease. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just wins and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed on multiple occasions.

Literally no one Bone fights has any feats aside from losing to Bone.

Ip's opponents have feats, skill(the named ones anyway), and even overwhelming numbers. Bone's fights just have him winning.

finally someone that makes sense

Originally posted by KingD19
The people Ip fought were featless?

Twister was a world champ in official boxing. So we know how good he was, especially since he had Ip on the ropes. Price was an underground champ, so you can't just gauge how good he actually is based on that. All we know is Bone beat him.

The Masters Ip fought had all been fully established for years as the best in Foshan. And all had already beaten multiple other Masters to be accepted into the club.

Frank had literal low end superhuman strength, for instance it takes an amazing amount of force to jab a man in his side while you're laying on your back and send him sliding across the floor. Or uppercutting him so hard his body destroys a window frame from the impact. Or when he gave his henchman a right straight that sent him flying 15 feet away while having a punching pad in place.

Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan with ease. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just wins and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed on multiple occasions.

Literally no one Bone fights has any feats aside from losing to Bone.

Ip's opponents have feats, skill(the named ones anyway), and even overwhelming numbers. Bone's fights just have him winning.

If I'm not mistaken, Twister was the British boxing champ, not the world champ. This was also sometime in the 1940's. Are you telling me that the British boxing scene in 1940's, boxing where you have numerous rules and regulations, is a more dangerous fighting arena than the underground street fighting world in today's era? Maybe it is, but you have no way to prove that. So you can't really make the claim that Twister's "champion" title is any more legit than Pretty Boy Price.

As for those martial arts "masters", all you're really doing is basing their skill on their titles. Because they're called "the best" you automatically assume they're skilled. How is that different from Pretty Boy Price being the underground fighting champion? He also needed to defeat all opponents to become champ. We assume his skill based on his title and what is necessary to achieve that title.

I'll have to double check on the Northerner and Tin Chi but for the rest of Ip's opponents my point still stands: They're just as featless as the opponents Bone fought.

Originally posted by KingD19
The people Ip fought were featless?

Twister was a world champ in official boxing. So we know how good he was, especially since he had Ip on the ropes. Price was an underground champ, so you can't just gauge how good he actually is based on that. All we know is Bone beat him.

The Masters Ip fought had all been fully established for years as the best in Foshan. And all had already beaten multiple other Masters to be accepted into the club.

Frank had literal low end superhuman strength, for instance it takes an amazing amount of force to jab a man in his side while you're laying on your back and send him sliding across the floor. Or uppercutting him so hard his body destroys a window frame from the impact. Or when he gave his henchman a right straight that sent him flying 15 feet away while having a punching pad in place.

Ip slaughtered the Northerner and Tin Chi. Both of which schooled literally every other Master in Foshan with ease. In fact if they weren't holding back and wanted more than just wins and recognition they would have killed a few between them.

So Ip beat a world champ boxer while gimped, multiple official Masters. The Northerner(sword vs Ips featherduster). The General who was himself one of the beat fighters in Japan. 10 black belts. Frank. The Muay Thai assassin sent specifically to counter Wing-Chun. And dozens of goons armed and unarmed on multiple occasions.

Literally no one Bone fights has any feats aside from losing to Bone.

Ip's opponents have feats, skill(the named ones anyway), and even overwhelming numbers. Bone's fights just have him winning.

Price was underground champ. Mixed martial arts >>>>>>wing chun.
Plus Bone is a heavy weight with great reflexes. Bone grabs Ip man it is over.

Originally posted by h1a8
Price was underground champ. Mixed martial arts >>>>>>wing chun.
Plus Bone is a heavy weight with great reflexes. Bone grabs Ip man it is over.

In what movie was mixed martial arts shown to be superior to Wing Chun?

Also it wasn't MMA. It was just underground fighting. Absolutely no one aside from Bone even used anything beyond strikes.

theres was some ground game used; specifically by price and bone. price went for an arm bar and bone locked a leg bar onto price at the end of their fight.

Also the guy that gave bone the most trouble was some guy that took him down in one of the random fights leading up to hammer man

having said that, Ip man has been shown to have skill with grappling, stopping grabs and takedowns form various opponents.

that still wont save him from bone though

PS. if they don't have feats then they don't have showable skill regardless of their title so all those masters aint shit because they are featless. The Northerner, Twister, Frank and the japanese general are the only guys that have any kind of feats outside of fighting ip himself.

So Price and the entire cast of B&B aside from Bone fall under that category correct?

yeah, aside from whats seen on screen neither the fighters in ip man or bone are featless

Which brings me back to my original point: Despite the numerous feats and displayed skills by Ip man when fighting against martial artists the same size as him, he always has trouble dealing with heavyweights. Not only is Bone bigger than both Twister and Frank, he's also a lot more skilled with a lot more versatile.

Bone is also slow as shit compared to the heavyweights in Ip Man. And has no superhuman feats like Ip and several of his opponents(Frank, Tin Chi, Northerner).

Originally posted by KingD19
Bone is also slow as shit compared to the heavyweights in Ip Man. And has no superhuman feats like Ip and several of his opponents(Frank, Tin Chi, Northerner).

False. Did you see the beginning of the Price fight? Bone and Price were snapping out attacks fast. Bone had 0 trouble blocking, dodging and parrying.

Remember mixed martial arts is superior to wing Chun. If Bone grabs ip man and takes the fight to the ground then it is over.

Originally posted by h1a8
False. Did you see the beginning of the Price fight? Bone and Price were snapping out attacks fast. Bone had 0 trouble blocking, dodging and parrying.

Starting at around 1:45, show me examples of Bones blocking attacks at this level of speed.

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According to what movie?

Originally posted by KingD19
Bone is also slow as shit compared to the heavyweights in Ip Man. And has no superhuman feats like Ip and several of his opponents(Frank, Tin Chi, Northerner).

Bone can jump in the air, kick 3-4 people before he lands back on the ground. Frank and Twister have nowhere near that kind of speed feat.

Majority of fighters in the Ip Man movies send people flying or skidding with hits, yet they never really seem injured that much by these hits. In comparison Bone doesn't send his opponents flying as much but knocks them out with single hits or so.

So if we take these into account then we can say Ip will send Bone flying with a kick which won't really injure him whereas Bone will just kick Ip and knock him out.

Wouldn't them being unhurt by a strike that sends them flying be a testament to their durability, rather than proof that the hit wasn't that strong?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Wouldn't them being unhurt by a strike that sends them flying be a testament to their durability, rather than proof that the hit wasn't that strong?

In order to accept that logic, we must assume that every character in the Ip man universe who's ever been hit all have superhuman durability. Even the random thugs who get kicked by Ip Man and get sent flying, only to get up moments later.

Originally posted by FrothByte
In order to accept that logic, we must assume that every character in the Ip man universe who's ever been hit all have superhuman durability. Even the random thugs who get kicked by Ip Man and get sent flying, only to get up moments later.

If they have feats of above normal durability, why wouldn't we?

Originally posted by Silent Master
If they have feats of above normal durability, why wouldn't we?

If you believe that just about every guy in the IP Man movies is superhuman, then that's not something I will argue against because there won't be an argument to be made. Hong Kong wire-fu flicks will always have more exaggerated "flying from hits" compared to no-wire direct to dvd movies like Blood and Bone and Undisputed 2/3.

If people are going to claim Ip is superhuman then I might as well make an Ip Man vs. Frank Martin thread.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you believe that just about every guy in the IP Man movies is superhuman, then that's not something I will argue against because there won't be an argument to be made. I might as well make an Ip Man vs. Frank Martin thread.

I suppose you could just ignore what the feats clearly show. I mean h1 does it all the time.

lets set the record straight.
bone's opponents were street thugs/street fighters w/o any martial arts background whatsoever (except price even tho he was featless world champ).

on the other hand ip defeated martial arts masters(story wise), he struggled to defeat some of these masters indicating that they have high level of skill while bone just stomped all his opponents with ease this also indicates that he faced chumps w/no skill.

its just saying that if kimbo(bone) can stomp all street fighters with ease then he can take on a master like fedor(ip man) because he defeated a bunch of chumps.

and third ip man showed more durability feats than bone, for we all know bone has a glass chin or something like that, his limits was not tested because he faced some incompetent street fighters.

it doesnt matter, if the masters in ip man don't have any on screen feats then they are featless as well. You can't have it both ways

Bone had to rise up in the ranks of the mma underworld. To say those ranked fighters had no martial arts skills is just silly.

Originally posted by relentless1
it doesnt matter, if the masters in ip man don't have any on screen feats then they are featless as well. You can't have it both ways

atleast ip man fought some dudes with actual feats. bone didnt

Originally posted by FrothByte
Bone had to rise up in the ranks of the mma underworld. To say those ranked fighters had no martial arts skills is just silly.

what ranks? bone only fought some street fighters, there was no "rank of the MMA underworld" in the movie iirc

Originally posted by Drsoe08
atleast ip man fought some dudes with actual feats. bone didnt

Hammerman had just as many feats (1 previous fight) as the Northerner or Twister did in the Ip Man films

Originally posted by relentless1
Hammerman had just as many feats (1 previous fight) as the Northerner or Twister did in the Ip Man films

seriously? want to compare the Northerner and twister to hammerman? lol

not comparing them, just saying they have as many feats as hammer does... although hammer would very likely would destroy both of them; northerner isn't strong enough to hurt him and twister doesnt have any skill outside of boxing which plays right into hammers strengths

Originally posted by relentless1
not comparing them, just saying they have as many feats as hammer does... although hammer would very likely would destroy both of them; northerner isn't strong enough to hurt him and twister doesnt have any skill outside of boxing which plays right into hammers strengths

stronger than the northerner and twister, any evidence for this? is hammerman can keep up with the northerner in terms of speed? how about skill? did hammerman showed any remarkable skill feat?

hammerman only defeated a chump lol

and the northerner only defeated chumps as well, your bias towards bone notwithstanding, id expect you to at least have the sense to realize that the masters from ip man are completely featless as well...can you at least admit that much??

Originally posted by relentless1
and the northerner only defeated chumps as well, your bias towards bone notwithstanding, id expect you to at least have the sense to realize that the masters from ip man are completely featless as well...can you at least admit that much??


yes i admit, the kung fu masters from the first movie were featless, but we should also take a look at their martial arts background (example how can you be a martial arts master if you dont have any remarkable skills to begin with).

second how can you be sure that the guy hammerman fought is skilled? there was no evidence that suggests that the guy he fought has some MA background, so i concluded that hammerman only defeated a chump.

third. the guys bone defeated in the movie were merely gangbangers, street fighters etc. w/no evidence that they even train in any martial arts (except price).

fourth, youre low balling too much the guys ip fought, unlike bone the guys ip defeated did have some martial arts background some of them even demonstrated low superhuman feats.

yeah they have martial arts background for sure, but then again so did price and bone dominated him. Looking at the masters that Ip dominated and the champions (hammer and price) that bone did, bones method of fighting was much more impressive on a hard hitting visceral level than Ip Man.

Granted Ips style is so much faster and more flashy but I think in the end that from what we've seen both fighters do Bone has the harder hit power ad is fast enough to contend and hit Ip which from what we've seen Ip can't take shots from bigger guys as well as he can from the people that are his size and style type.

Originally posted by Drsoe08
yes i admit, the kung fu masters from the first movie were featless, but we should also take a look at their martial arts background (example how can you be a martial arts master if you dont have any remarkable skills to begin with).

second how can you be sure that the guy hammerman fought is skilled? there was no evidence that suggests that the guy he fought has some MA background, so i concluded that hammerman only defeated a chump.

third. the guys bone defeated in the movie were merely gangbangers, street fighters etc. w/no evidence that they even train in any martial arts (except price).

fourth, youre low balling too much the guys ip fought, unlike bone the guys ip defeated did have some martial arts background some of them even demonstrated low superhuman feats.

Who do you think have more credibility of being good fighters: street/cage fighters who make a living fighting other people or martial arts "masters" who make a living teaching forms in a dojo?

I seen blackbelts get beat by thugs. Knowing forms and techniques is useless if you don't have fighting experience knowing how to apply them. Also it was proven many years ago that MMA is vastly superior to any classic style. There is no way a master Kung fu expert is beating an MMA expert that weighs a lot more.

Originally posted by h1a8
I seen blackbelts get beat by thugs. Knowing forms and techniques is useless if you don't have fighting experience knowing how to apply them. Also it was proven many years ago that MMA is vastly superior to any classic style. There is no way a master Kung fu expert is beating an MMA expert that weighs a lot more.

So your argument is that the people Ip man beat had no fighting exp?

Originally posted by h1a8
I seen blackbelts get beat by thugs. Knowing forms and techniques is useless if you don't have fighting experience knowing how to apply them. Also it was proven many years ago that MMA is vastly superior to any classic style. There is no way a master Kung fu expert is beating an MMA expert that weighs a lot more.

any evidence that supports your claim that regular thugs can beat karate black belts? any videos?

second, you cant reach the rank of black belt if you are only practicing forms and stances, for example kyokushin karate uses sparring as a "measurement tool" to assess if a practitioner is ready for new a rank and karate practitioners trains alot they condition their bodies to take lots of damage at same time dishing out more damage.

lastly its not about style vs style, its about the fighters.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Who do you think have more credibility of being good fighters: street/cage fighters who make a living fighting other people or martial arts "masters" who make a living teaching forms in a dojo?

apparently youre not that knowledgeable about how one reaches a "master" rank in any martial arts, if you think that most martial arts instructors only teaches forms then you are wrong.

Originally posted by 950Killer
any evidence that supports your claim that regular thugs can beat karate black belts? any videos?

second, you cant reach the rank of black belt if you are only practicing forms and stances, for example kyokushin karate uses sparring as a "measurement tool" to assess if a practitioner is ready for new a rank and karate practitioners trains alot they condition their bodies to take lots of damage at same time dishing out more damage.

lastly its not about style vs style, its about the fighters.

If you watch the early days of the UFC, you'll find many examples of black belts getting badly beaten by big thugs who do nothing except ground and pound.

Sparring is not the same as fighting, and depending on the style of martial art their sparring may have very limiting rules.

Originally posted by FrothByte
If you watch the early days of the UFC, you'll find many examples of black belts getting badly beaten by big thugs who do nothing except ground and pound.

Sparring is not the same as fighting, and depending on the style of martial art their sparring may have very limiting rules.

so thats why royce gracie(bjj black belt at that time) was a multiple ufc tourny winner and most of his opponents were other black belts from different martial arts systems

sparring is a very important in enhancing combat abilities of a fighter, if sparring is not that important then most prize fighters of today should've have abandoned it

Originally posted by 950Killer
so thats why royce gracie(bjj black belt at that time) was a multiple ufc tourny winner and most of his opponents were other black belts from different martial arts systems

sparring is a very important in enhancing combat abilities of a fighter, if sparring is not that important then most prize fighters of today should've have abandoned it

Yeah, you took Royce Gracie as an example. 1 guy. 1 exanple out of all the black belters who competed in the UFC. Unfortunately for you, IP man does not do bjj. How many other black belters other than bjj made it big in the UFC? Black belters who didn't cross train with othet styles?

Originally posted by FrothByte
Yeah, you took Royce Gracie as an example. 1 guy. 1 exanple out of all the black belters who competed in the UFC. Unfortunately for you, IP man does not do bjj. How many other black belters other than bjj made it big in the UFC? Black belters who didn't cross train with othet styles?


which brings us back to the argument that "black belters > street fighters", my point is that obviously ip man defeated more skilled opponents than bone. bone didnt faced any serious challenge from the movie while ip man displayed more skill in a more challenging situations (beating twister whilst nearly beaten to a pulp, defeating 10 black belts simultaneously etc.). while bone stomped his opponents because obviously they dont have any sufficient skill to contend with him. (except price)

Originally posted by 950Killer
which brings us back to the argument that "black belters > street fighters", my point is that obviously ip man defeated more skilled opponents than bone. bone didnt faced any serious challenge from the movie while ip man displayed more skill in a more challenging situations (beating twister whilst nearly beaten to a pulp, defeating 10 black belts simultaneously etc.). while bone stomped his opponents because obviously they dont have any sufficient skill to contend with him. (except price)

I don't think you understood my post correctly. There were multiple black belters who joined the early days of UFC, majority of them lost. That disproves your theory. Gracie was one of the few men who had a pure martial art that was able to make a name for himself, which also brought bjj to the forefront. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of traditional martial art black belters were defeated via ground and pound by thugs in the early days of the UFC.

Just take Tank Abbott for instance.

To be fair, Tank Abbott was a NJCAA All-American in college. so it's not like he was just a random thug.

Originally posted by Silent Master
To be fair, Tank Abbott was a NJCAA All-American in college. so it's not like he was just a random thug.

Majority of street or cage fighters will have some form of fighting background, which is why we can't say that the peole Bone fought were without skill. This idea that blackbelts who've never fought but only sparred are somehow automatically more skilled at fighting than people who make a living off fighting... well that's stupid.

That's why you don't see a lot of karate or wing chun experts dominate the UFC. They almost all have to cross train in something else to be competitive.

Originally posted by Silent Master
So your argument is that the people Ip man beat had no fighting exp? They haven't shown the fighting experience as a Price or Bone has.

Any male ufc fighter from any weight class would be at any of them with ease.

MMA and Kung fu isn't even a contest.

Originally posted by h1a8
They haven't shown the fighting experience as a Price or Bone has.

Any male ufc fighter from any weight class would be at any of them with ease.

MMA and Kung fu isn't even a contest.

So your argument is that because Ip man was able to defeat them faster than Bone beat his opponents, they must be less skilled that the people Bone fought?

Originally posted by Silent Master
So your argument is that because Ip man was able to defeat them faster than Bone beat his opponents, they must be less skilled that the people Bone fought?

They didn't fight for a living.
They did useless form shit for practice.
They were very small and lightweight.
They had no Brazilian jujitsu or ground fighting ability.

So compared to a ufc fighter, they aren't very skilled. Just a bunch of BS techniques.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Majority of street or cage fighters will have some form of fighting background, which is why we can't say that the peole Bone fought were without skill. This idea that blackbelts who've never fought but only sparred are somehow automatically more skilled at fighting than people who make a living off fighting... well that's stupid.

That's why you don't see a lot of karate or wing chun experts dominate the UFC. They almost all have to cross train in something else to be competitive.


most street fighters IRL doesnt have any fighting background just look at kimbo slice vs the street fighters that he roflstomped.

you truly don't understand on why sparring is an important component in training, so youre also telling me that any dude who makes a living off street fighting can beat a black belt? any evidence to back this up?

Originally posted by 950Killer
most street fighters IRL doesnt have any fighting background just look at kimbo slice vs the street fighters that he roflstomped.

you truly don't understand on why sparring is an important component in training, so youre also telling me that any dude who makes a living off street fighting can beat a black belt? any evidence to back this up?

Kimbo Slice and his opponents weren't proffessional street fighters. They were just some guys who accepted money to fight in a video. Tjey were no different from the average joe. I don't think you understand the term "street fighter". Street fighters and pit fighters actually get paid to fight and have some form of ranking system and organized bets. Think UFC, except underground. So who you really should be using for comparison are guys like Ken shamrock and Tito Ortiz instead of Kimbo Slice.

Oh i understand how important sparring is. I just don't think you understand how important actual fighting is. Are you telling me sparring gives you better fighting experience than an actual fight?

Originally posted by h1a8
They didn't fight for a living.
They did useless form shit for practice.
They were very small and lightweight.
They had no Brazilian jujitsu or ground fighting ability.

So compared to a ufc fighter, they aren't very skilled. Just a bunch of BS techniques.


Your bias is showing.