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*Peak Valkorion*
*Luke as of his fight with Nyax*

Both are going all out, and will try to win by any means.


This is an open challenge to Elli, Wollf, Urs and Az, so bring it.

Luke stomps. And no, I will not get into another WoT debate; I have two with Nai going on atm and I still have to respond to Nova.

It is funny, because by Spectres of the Past, he still doesn't consider himself as powerful as Reborn Palpatine or Exar Kun, psychological manifestations of the power he could obtain. Only by unleashing his power, where he estimates he can rip hulls off of Star Destroyers, does he believe he'd become like them, but at the cost of turning to evil.

I honestly don't see Luke consistently pulling off victories against somebody as powerful as Valkorion or Palpatine until well after the Lord Nyax duel. Yes, I know how much time there is between the two aforementioned events.

Luke stomps

Not even remotely.

Originally posted by Azronger
Luke stomps.




Originally posted by Azronger
And no, I will not get into another WoT debate

https://youtu.be/yoYZf-lBF_U?t=1m52s

Valkorion. Tbh Luke is barely above Yoda at this point.

He isn't Yoda tier yet, not until the end of the Vong War do we see him get to that level.

Luke, and he's definitely ahead of Yoda by now.

I want actual tangible arguments I can tear to shreds, not simple one word answers.

Nah, he isn't, he wouldn't consistently replicate what he was doing against Palpatine in DE until the Vong war's end. DE is his outlier feat until that point, which can be explained by the presence of Leia and Anakin.

You can argue that his dueling ability is already Yoda tier, but not in Force power.

Luke doesn't beat Valkorion until his TUF incarnation, imho.

Luke, based on scaling from the BFT, besides other things.

Luke is Yoda+++ by DE, tbh.

Valkorion decisively.

Originally posted by Azronger
Luke is Yoda+++ by DE, tbh.

Not even remotely close.

Valkorion is over Luke until TUF.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Not even remotely close.

Could Yoda match DE Sidious in a clash of Force essences?

Tbh, yes.
I fail to see how DE Sidious is >>>>> Yoda.

DE Palpatine is certainly more powerful, but not to the degree he would demolish Yoda or anything.

Dueling wise, Yoda may very well be his superior.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Tbh, yes.
I fail to see how DE Sidious is >>>>> Yoda.

Given that Yoda was losing to RotS Sidious in a battle of raw power, he's not matching someone who's two or three tiers above the latter, lmao.

Byss scaling, and a comparison of TK feats places even RotJ Sidious vastly beyond Yoda. DE is simply icing on the cake.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
DE Palpatine is certainly more powerful, but not to the degree he would demolish Yoda or anything.

He probably would, tbh.



Lol no.