Child in the Matrix?

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Ushgarak
I need to look at the scene again and note the lines, when I can be bothered...

But basically, in the game Enter the Matrix, whilst the Oracle reveals to Niobe what has happened to Morpheus, to Ghost she at first talks of his love for Trinity, and then she tells him that her old form was betrayed to the Merivingian by two people who did it for the love of their child, and so her old form was decompiled.

I will try and get the exact wording when I can- my hacking section won't play thay file again so I will have to beat Seraph again and write it down as fast as I can. But, interesting, huh?

BTW, it can't really be Neo and Trinity because this is concurrent with the end of the film, and this is blatantly not what they were doing.

alaba
could you explain this better , i am really interested!

Ushgarak
Well, it is what the Oracle tells Ghost when he enquires about her changed appearance.

Some time tomorrow I'll cheat-beat Seraph and scribble down as much of the actual wording as possible.

alaba
thanks man..i can't wait....could we get the whole script in the game??????

alaba
and whose seraph?

Mithrandir
if u noticed the lady playing the oracle was different the oracle actress. The oracle actress in the movies died. What u said b4 ushgarak, about her changing forms is just the explanation the wachowski bros give about the change in actresses

BEST TRINITY
HEY BTHIS IS NEW PLZ EXPLAIN BETTER I CANT WAIT TILL TOMORROW

BEST TRINITY
A CHILD?????? WOW THATS NEW

BEST TRINITY
I READ IN AN INTERVIW THAT KEANU SAID THERES GONNA BE MORE LOVE SCENES IN M3. THATS MAKES SEMNSE IF THEY GONNA HAVE A CHILD THEY GONNA DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE TO PROTECT HIM HUH???

BEST TRINITY
IM GONNA ASK IN THE OTHER FORUM THAT EXPLAIN OTHERS THING TO SEE WHAT DO THEY HAVE TO SAY

Ushgarak
Yes, Mithrandir, that is well known but the point is still that her change has become part of the plot.

Captain REX
Welcome to the Forums, Best Trinity.

Just so you know, typing in caps usually means you're screaming on the boards.

BEST TRINITY
Sorry but its my way to capt ur atention. IM COMPLETLY DESPERATE FOR REVOLUTIONS DONT YOU SEE. sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ushgarak
Ok, got it:

Ghost: Can you tell me what happened to you?
Oracle: Two programmes, who I trusted, sold the termination code of my old form to the Merivingian.



Ghost: Why did they do it?
Oracle: For love. For the love of their child.
Ghost: You knew it would happen but you let them do it anyway?
Oracle: I had no choice. I believe the child is important. I believe that one day it will change both our world and their world forever.

There you go, folks!

Wauzer
Thank you Ushgarak for that script. I do not have the game, is there any places where you know that I can get a layout of the story of the game and maybe some quotes from it like the one you had now. Thx again.

alaba
very interseting...who do you think they are reffering to as the child?

Ushgarak
Someone posted the Niobe perspective plot already:

http://forums.killermovies.com/f42/t6210.html

There are only small differences in the Ghost plot- what the Oracle says being the major one!

I have given some of the script of the Niobe/Oracle meeting in the Official 'Is there more than one Matrix' thread.

Tuur
Hm. As far as I can see there is only One child that will change both worlds...

Tevesh
Neo?

or perhaps even Smith?

BEST TRINITY
Who knows??

Ushgarak
The programmes as parents narrows it down, rather.

BEST TRINITY
I think the kid has something to do with this child, coz hes The Kid. huh?

BEST TRINITY
Or is neos and trinitys son/daughter, who knows

Ushgarak
They aren't programmes, and in any case we know what they were doing at that time.

hayden's minx
I'll have to hurry up and do the rest of the game as ghost - I've only completed it as Niobe so far ...

alaba
if you guys have seen the first reconnaisance(part 2), there was a child captured and enslaved from his parents at the end..perhaps thats the child! you must all see it.

BEST TRINITY
I saw three episodes in pc but Todays is the day that the movie arrives in my country. I will buy it soon

alaba
good please do not hesitate to point out anything you find in the stories...

BEST TRINITY
Well

Cypher_101
USHGAREK: u may have a point i fink that child could be the next 'ONE' thats why he mite be important

FLIPMODE
First off, I told you guys the oracle was acting on her own, she's not part of the Architect's plan she's a good guy.

FLIPMODE
Ah then again it sounds like the Child is Agent Smith, and and she was helping Neo, so he can stop the Architects Plan.

Which further goes into my point that, this system to take Neo's information, is really only a front, I thnk the REAL plan of the Matrix, is place the Anomaly's power into a program. Agent Smith.

AAAAAH. Which explains Why Persaphone would be the Mother Of the Matrix, Neo's not the Son. Smith is. They're Nuturing him, Perfecting Free will into one of their Own.

Kes
who would be the programs that the oracle trustes (sp)?Maybe they are knew programs that will only apper in 3! She could trust persephone right? i mean she knew someone would help neo with the key master! but the father would have to be the french guy! oh man! another ridle!blink

princess leia
all this has 747ed me. i know theres an importance of a hcild in m3...but what has the oracles original form got to do with anything? sorry!

princess leia
who is ghost?

Telemicus
So Smith would be able to reload the matrix with no need for a human 'one'?

Ushgarak
Ghost is Niobe's first officer; Asian guy by her side, has a few lines in the film.

The Omega

Sifer
When Neo enters the Merovingians Restaurant, he looks towards a guy who is seemingly being escorted out. After watching at the cinema 3 times and about 7 times on SVCD (pausing it as well) I can't make out who it is at all. I have never seen his face other than there. Not even in the game. He's definately important, but who or what he is, is the thing we need to figure out.

Kes
Tis probably doesn't have an explanation yet!They will probably interduce the programs in the 3rd movie!

Princess leia they had to figure a way to change actresses so they wrote this into the scrip. The actress that played the oracle died before compliting her part.

Telemicus
I like FLIPMODES idea, Smith is the child. It's like he has just been born, or reborn at least. He's only just starting to develop or realise what he's capable of, I think he'll be able to do a lot more than clone himself come M3.

Telemicus
As for the guy being escorted out of the resturant, I noticed him too, but god knows who he is, definately not seen him before. Maybe he's a guy like cypher, just had a nice steak and a chat about getting put back in the Matrix before Zion falls....

Sifer
Yeah, I heard about Gloria Foster. Sad news, she was superb smile

The new Oracle can be seen in the game and heard in the Revolutions trailer.

Sifer
Also, some people are speculating that it is the guy from the Subway in the game. It doesn't look like him from the times I watched it. The guy in the subway is also someone important as he is in the trailer for the third one and in the subway he spurts:

72 Hours, 72 Hours...Thats how long Zion lasted the last time
Niobe: Who are you?
Me, I'm just a...spectator...

Something along those lines at least. People have also been saying that it was the Architect in disguise, but I cant see that either because from the evidence (in the first film and 2nd) he can view anything he wants in the matrix, he doesnt have to anywhere.

Kes
yeh! That movie had some bad luck, I mean Aaliha (sp), the oracle, Carrie-Ann breaking her leg in the biginning, the guy who plays smith also got hurt and morpheus id to they almost run out of money! Uff! blink sad

The Unknown
I saw a pic somewhere on this site that had Neo i think talking to a man and his wife, and a child was with them. I think that it was the couple from the restaurant, but i may be wrong. perhaps those are the two programs and that is the child?

JediHDM
yes, we have already thought of this, but thank you for posting...do a search

realworlddreams
btw seraph is that dude in the white suit that fights w/neo in the teahouse and then ballard in ETM. Hes the guy that opens the back doors and neo asks if he's a programmer of the matrix. he ses that he protects what matters most...

JediHDM
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/images/moresmilies/happybday.gif It says Gloria Fosters Birthday is 11/15/33...so, we should have a 70th b-day party for her...in remembrance...i cant believe shes gonehttp://www.killermovies.com/forums/images/moresmilies/crybaby.gif

Sifer
R.I.P Gloria Foster.

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