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D-Lister vs A-Lister. Angela ftw.

Angela is a C-lister at best (character, not powerwise).

Mary defeats her with her optimism, positive outlook, and cheery disposition.

More people know about mary marvel than angela.

Bigger boobs FTW.

Intetesting debate criterias.

How does Spawn Angela stack up vs Thor Angela?



And this is just a case of Ho Vs Girl Next Door.

And since this is KMC Rules Mary is bloodlusted and not holding back. Mary puts the ***** DOWN!!

Originally posted by krisblaze
More people know about mary marvel than angela.
I meant in terms of the way their respective companies treat them. Angela is an A-Lister, Mary (and the other Marvels) are D-Listers.

Thats pretty harsh.

Originally posted by riv6672
Thats pretty harsh.
But it's true. She had ONE good showing (vs Captain Atom) ever. It's been nothing but downhill since.

But she's so cute, though!

Originally posted by riv6672
But she's so cute, though!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Final-crisis-3-interior-mary-marvel-2008.jpg
Yeah very cherub like!

In all seriousness, she was amped off her ass there and STILL lost to Wonder Woman.

angela is likely just too brutal. stat wise it should be pretty close though. mary COULD take a couple if she unleashes fully--which she almost never ever does...

Which is why i used the cute version!

Originally posted by zopzop
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Final-crisis-3-interior-mary-marvel-2008.jpg
Yeah very cherub like!

In all seriousness, she was amped off her ass there and STILL lost to Wonder Woman.


Yeah but that is just DC pushing Wondie because they think people give a shit about Wondie.

And Angela is NO Wonder Woman.

Originally posted by zopzop
I meant in terms of the way their respective companies treat them. Angela is an A-Lister, Mary (and the other Marvels) are D-Listers.


Angela is not an Alister or even treated as such. I agree with everything else

^^^Yeah, she (Angela) hasn't seemed that way to me either.

and it's a strawman anyway--by that reasoning, cap would beat the phuck out of mary too....

^^^I know, but, given the initial handful of responses, no one was going to debate the fight seriously.

Originally posted by zopzop
I meant in terms of the way their respective companies treat them. Angela is an A-Lister, Mary (and the other Marvels) are D-Listers.
Disagree with this assessment.

I don't think top cow character really stack up to dc or marvel
there was a crossover where superman easily owned the darkness, granted darkness did became much more powerful in later years

Whos in top cow?

Originally posted by riv6672
^^^Yeah, she (Angela) hasn't seemed that way to me either. Me neither. I think C-Lister is being generous.

But Angela is certainly vicious, so in all seriousness Mary would have to really go all out to stand a chance.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Whos in top cow?
Haha, nooice!

Originally posted by zopzop
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Final-crisis-3-interior-mary-marvel-2008.jpg
Yeah very cherub like!

In all seriousness, she was amped off her ass there and STILL lost to Wonder Woman.

Worse yet, Supergirl had the upper hand their entire match.

And she's the jobber of the super family.

Marvel is confused as how to handle Angela, but they seem to desire making her an A - Lister.

Originally posted by TheHulkster
Marvel is confused as how to handle Angela, but they seem to desire making her an A - Lister.

Eh. They just wanna rub McFarlane's nose in it.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Whos in top cow?

no one here, I confused Angela with Angelus

Goin wit the angel.

The Mary Marvel vs WW instance can't really be held against her. Mary was being controlled by Desaad and lost her mind. It's hard to tell how much of an amp she really had, if she even still had the same one from earlier.

When she was lucid, she did this to Kyle + Donna. Make a thread with WW vs Kyle and many would argue for a good match. Mary straight up aced him and Donna. She alluded to taking out Vixen and the JLA'ers too, but it was off panel.

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As for the fight, I could see Mary winning. She's hilarious when written properly, but she's shown big power in the past. And, it was stated she may be equal to Black Adam when serious.

Originally posted by StyleTime
The Mary Marvel vs WW instance can't really be held against her. Mary was being controlled by Desaad and lost her mind. It's hard to tell how much of an amp she really had, if she even still had the same one from earlier.

When she was lucid, she did this to Kyle + Donna. Make a thread with WW vs Kyle and many would argue for a good match. Mary straight up aced him and Donna. She alluded to taking out Vixen and the JLA'ers too, but it was off panel.

http://postimg.org/image/ia5imyy41/

As for the fight, I could see Mary winning. She's hilarious when written properly, but she's shown big power in the past. And, it was stated she may be equal to Black Adam when serious.
Again, she's amped there isn't she?

Originally posted by zopzop
Again, she's amped there isn't she?
Yeah, she was. I just don't think either instance will affect this match any. /shrug
Originally posted by cdtm
Worse yet, Supergirl had the upper hand their entire match.

And she's the jobber of the super family.
When does Supergirl job?

And Mary is too adorable to lose.

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Ya haters.

You can almost see up her skirt in countdown.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Yeah, she was. I just don't think either instance will affect this match any. /shrug

When does Supergirl job?

Well, there's Equus in Countdown. And Wonder Woman handles her way too easily..

I suppose jobbing isn't the word, but she's rarely been on Supermans level. She can't handle characters he can, usually. I'd even say Superboy gets more play at the upper end.

Power Girl kind of has the same problem. Black Adam just swatted her down on about three occasions, and she gets Worfed (See Worf Effect) more often then not.



Think I got a cavity looking at that. 'Cause sweet.

Originally posted by NoctisOwen
I don't think top cow character really stack up to dc or marvel
there was a crossover where superman easily owned the darkness, granted darkness did became much more powerful in later years

Top Cow is Marc Sylvestri. I think that you're thinking about McFarlane? Angela is a McFarlane character. Angela is too vicious, which is why she's going to win aside from her extreme skill edge. This isn't a contest it's a slaughter.

Actually she's not, which is how she wound up at Marvel.

Originally posted by riv6672
Actually she's not, which is how she wound up at Marvel.

Gaiman and McFarlane. I have multiple copies of her first appearance, so what you plucked isn't news to me. I just went with the more known or popular comic book creator, after all, most people know who Todd McFarlane is because of Spawn. All the same Mary doesn't have a chance against Angela, she's too vicious with the skills at her disposal. This fight shouldn't actually last very long.

So you'd rather go with the so called more popular creator than than the correct one when doling out precious comic book knowledge.

Got it.

Originally posted by riv6672
So you'd rather go with the so called more popular creator than than the correct one when doling out precious comic book knowledge.

Got it.



Who cares about the pedantic nature of the creators? I really don't, and I did read that article when it came out that Angela was going to become a Marvel character (terrible idea BTW) Todd put in a mess load of work on the character, and aside from a court ruling, he had 50% say on the direction of the character's early years, but whatever. Angela still wins.

So screw being correct.

Got it.

McFarlane's kind of a hypocrite about Angela.

Medievil Spawn is murkier. Would you give a writer rights to every knockoff Hellspawn in the crowd during their run?

Hell, Gaiman did a lot to build the mythology. Shouldn't that means he OWNS Spawn, since "errant knight" Spawn simply builds off that mythology?

Not like we're talking something that could stand on it's own, like Deaths Head to Transformers..

Originally posted by cdtm
McFarlane's kind of a hypocrite about Angela.

Medievil Spawn is murkier. Would you give a writer rights to every knockoff Hellspawn in the crowd during their run?

Hell, Gaiman did a lot to build the mythology. Shouldn't that means he OWNS Spawn, since "errant knight" Spawn simply builds off that mythology?

Not like we're talking something that could stand on it's own, like Deaths Head to Transformers..

They both put in work, which is why no one should care about the creative talents that went into the canon.

And yet you're the one omitting Gaiman then defensively saying it doesnt matter but it does matter because both put in the work but who cares because of creators being pedantic...

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Imma let this go as i'm not gonna abuse you any more than you have yourself.

Originally posted by Stoic
They both put in work, which is why no one should care about the creative talents that went into the canon.

Yeah tell that to the lawyers that made millions off of that deal.

Originally posted by krisblaze
You can almost see up her skirt in countdown.
Booster Gold approves.
Originally posted by cdtm
Well, there's Equus in Countdown. And Wonder Woman handles her way too easily..

I suppose jobbing isn't the word, but she's rarely been on Supermans level. She can't handle characters he can, usually. I'd even say Superboy gets more play at the upper end.
She had Equus dead to rights after one freeze breath attack. She just held back because she didn't know his powers. Similar to Superman, Equus was only a "threat" when they held back.

Well, Superman and Wonder Woman are top dawg types. Kara is usually presented as next in line though. She did fill in for Superman on the JLA and went even with Ultraman. And, it was first appearance shenanigans, but Kara punked the whole JLA. As for Superboy, Kara broke his jaw when they met.

Mostly, I wanted to address the logic that it somehow equates to an Angela victory. It doesn't. Supes/WW/Kara would all beat Angela.
Originally posted by cdtm
Think I got a cavity looking at that. 'Cause sweet.
She is a sweetie pie.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Booster Gold approves.

She had Equus dead to rights after one freeze breath attack. She just held back because she didn't know his powers. Similar to Superman, Equus was only a "threat" when they held back.

Well, Superman and Wonder Woman are top dawg types. Kara is usually presented as next in line though. She did fill in for Superman on the JLA and went even with Ultraman. And, it was first appearance shenanigans, but Kara punked the whole JLA. As for Superboy, Kara broke his jaw when they met.

Mostly, I wanted to address the logic that it somehow equates to an Angela victory. It doesn't. Supes/WW/Kara would all beat Angela.

She is a sweetie pie.

How is Kara beating Angela? I highly doubt it, and Wonder Woman would have her hands full with her. Why pretend that Kara is a top notch combatant in terms of MA skill? She isn't. Aside from that, why are you bringing up characters that don't share Mary's abilities? That would be like me bringing Thor into this.

Kara doesn't have to be a top tier martial artist to beat Angela. She's got a versatility edge(that's what shut down Equus and gave Mary trouble), and I'd argue is physically superior.

I brought them up because people were comparing Mary to them, as if Angela were interchangeable with those folks.

ABC logic.

Originally posted by riv6672
ABC logic.
Easy as 123.

Do re mi.

Originally posted by riv6672
ABC logic.
That's what I was addressing. Not using myself. People were acting like WW being above Mary meant Angela was too.

That said, it can be useful when combatants are comparable. I don't think Angela is equal to Diana(or Kara) though, so I disagree with its use here.

Oh i was agreeing with you; you laid it out nice!

Oh, well then. Great minds.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Oh, well then. Great minds.

Arguing power set won't get you far around here. Character, and combat ability are the main reasons why Angela would cut her head off and it wouldn't be long before it happened either. Like I said, this isn't a contest, it's a slaughter. Keep pretending that the neophytes have a chance against seasoned warriors if you want to, but being powerful doesn't win matches nearly as often as skill does. Not to mention that Angela is a very powerful character in her own right.

I wasn't arguing powerset only, and just said I could see Mary winning. Forum rules dictate she's fighting seriously, so it's not completely out of the question. Her Mickey Mouse personality might make her hold back at the wrong times, so I don't have a problem with Angela taking it though.

Unless you were talking about Kara, which still wasn't just a powerset issue. She's actually done those things. That's for a different thread I suppose though.

What has Angela done to suggest she hangs with WW? Even at height id give Diana the nod

Originally posted by StyleTime
I wasn't arguing powerset only, and just said I could see Mary winning. Forum rules dictate she's fighting seriously, so it's not completely out of the question. Her Mickey Mouse personality might make her hold back at the wrong times, so I don't have a problem with Angela taking it though.

Unless you were talking about Kara, which still wasn't just a powerset issue. She's actually done those things. That's for a different thread I suppose though.

Kara has nothing to do with this. I didn't bring her into this, and I'm not pursuing that issue, although we all saw how well she does against an opponent that has more combat skill than she does. Again, Kara isn't in this.

Mary fighting seriously isn't going to get her the win here over a character as skilled as they come. Angela and Mary in character serious or not isn't a contest. Angela kills her quickly, or decides to give her a lesson in combat. Either way Mary isn't coming out of this the winner. She simply has never been portrayed as much more than bush league, and I'm not saying that to be mean, but she's a side kick that will often need saving from the big dogs.

Originally posted by riv6672
Do re mi.

Angela hasn't done one thing to put her on par with WW or Supergirl

Agreed.

Not to say that she is featless, but I would put her around Ronan's level I think.

Not a bad assessment.

Originally posted by Stoic
Kara has nothing to do with this. I didn't bring her into this, and I'm not pursuing that issue, although we all saw how well she does against an opponent that has more combat skill than she does. Again, Kara isn't in this.

Mary fighting seriously isn't going to get her the win here over a character as skilled as they come. Angela and Mary in character serious or not isn't a contest. Angela kills her quickly, or decides to give her a lesson in combat. Either way Mary isn't coming out of this the winner. She simply has never been portrayed as much more than bush league, and I'm not saying that to be mean, but she's a side kick that will often need saving from the big dogs.
We need a Kara vs Angela thread. I'm genuinely curious about this opponent, and the rest of your argument, but don't want to derail this.

I've nothing else to add on Mary/Angela. She mollywhopped Captain Atom, granted CIS was off, so I'm just under the impression a serious Mary packs a punch, especially if not power sharing. Like I said, I don't have a problem with the idea of Angela taking it though.
Originally posted by krisblaze
Angela hasn't done one thing to put her on par with WW or Supergirl
I concur.

Dont think i'll use Angela again in the near future.

Originally posted by riv6672
Dont think i'll use Angela again in the near future. She is kind of lame.

^^^Well, she's part MacFarlane, so yeah.