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No prep.
No BFR.
Midtown Manhattan.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ximbb9g1BFQ/Vyk9FtrcaoI/AAAAAAAApzg/xXq9T0fYPqMdawweEaE_VG5Oaz1cpVbdwCK4B/s1600/4878795-2761592-ultimate_comics_ultimates_19_pg_002.png

I usually dont Bump my threads but, i thought this would be a pretty good fight.

Hawkman, IMHO. I always considered him a Captain America with wings. Metahuman stats, skilled and determined fighter. What tips it in his favor, IMO, is his Nth metal armor and healing factor. Good match up. Hawkman 7/10

Thanks!

Hawkman gave it to superman how is he meta

Stat wise he's meta. The same way
Wolverine fights the hulk, I guess. He's a ferocious fighter with gear to match!

Hawkman wins.

Not super familiar with DCnU Hawkman, but in general I'd say Hawkman could give Aquaman (no tp) a really solid fight....well above Cap.

Originally posted by Cogito
Not super familiar with DCnU Hawkman, but in general I'd say Hawkman could give Aquaman (no tp) a really solid fight....well above Cap.

What tier would you place Hawkman, Cogito?

Nu Hawkman's armor acts like a symbiote, instantly reaching to protecting any attacked area of his body... and he can transform. Cap's in trouble here.

Sort of interesting; thsnks guys.

Hawkman's Nth armor is too much.

Ult. Cap was also superhuman, don't forget. Taking it to Thor, Hulk, Giant Man etc...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ult. Cap was also superhuman, don't forget. Taking it to Thor, Hulk, Giant Man etc...
I was hoping for that to be brought up/both sides being debated, yeah.

He didn't take it to any of them.

And the only reason he won againt giant man was because he used the environment.

I don't see Hawkman getting trapped beneath a mountain of steel girders.

Originally posted by krisblaze
1 He didn't take it to any of them.

2 And the only reason he won againt giant man was because he used the environment.

3 I don't see Hawkman getting trapped beneath a mountain of steel girders.
1 Sure he did.

2 This fight takes place in midtown Manhattan.

3 There are girders in Manhattan

Originally posted by riv6672
1 Sure he did.

2 This fight takes place in midtown Manhattan.

3 There are girders in Manhattan

1. No. Ult Cap did little to Thor and Hulk.

2. Ok.

3. No. Hawkman will not fight under a few dozen steel girders suspended over him by a wire.

Edit: And even if Hawkman were to suffer an accident under the same circumstances as the less durable and mobile GIANT MAN, then he'll suffer less of an injury.

Taking it to someone doesnt mean what you seem to think it does.

Right there in the OP.

Why not?

Edit: that "why not" was rhetorical. You can spin the fight any way you like, obviously. I was just pointing out some things you got wrong in your original post.

Once the Nth metal is on, it's hard to stop Hawkman. Hell, even Shaggy Man (More powerful than the Ultimates) had a tough time putting Hawkman down.

Originally posted by krisblaze
1. No. Ult Cap did little to Thor and Hulk.

2. Ok.

3. No. Hawkman will not fight under a few dozen steel girders suspended over him by a wire.

Edit: And even if Hawkman were to suffer an accident under the same circumstances as the less durable and mobile GIANT MAN, then he'll suffer less of an injury.

Ult Cap fought a bloodlusted Ult Hulk, and only had these injuries:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038077-cap+feat+durability+vs+hulk+%283%29.jpg

He fought Thor, without a shield, and his arms didn't shatter from Mjolnir:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038079-cap+feat+durability+vs+thor+%281%29.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038080-cap+feat+durability+vs+thor+%282%29.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038081-cap+feat+durability+vs+thor+%283%29.jpg
Still up and talking.

As for not doing anything to Hulk, he actually put him down:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038165-cap+vs+hulk+%235+%281%29.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038166-cap+vs+hulk+%235+%282%29.jpg

A robot version of Cap, Thor, Hulk and Giant Man:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3145142-cap+vs+assemble+%231+%281%29.png
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3145143-cap+vs+assemble+%231+%282%29.png
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3145144-cap+vs+assemble+%231+%283%29.png

Vs Valkyrie:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038102-cap+feat+strength+vs+valkery.jpg

Matching Spiderman:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038100-cap+feat+strength+vs+spider+man.jpg

KOs Juggy:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038286-cap+vs+juggernaut+%234+%284%29.jpg

War Machine:
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038437-cap+vs+avengers+%233+%2814%29.jpg

Nerd Hulk :
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038442-cap+vs+avengers+%233+%2819%29.jpg

And yeah, he rocked Thor with his hits.

Yes.

These are not incidents of him "taking it to Hulk and Thor".

They're incidents of him surviving encounters with them, and fighting other, weaker superhumans. Which is well within his capabilities.

"Taking it to Hulk and Thor" implies that he was a threat to either of them. He was not.

Presented with all that evidence you reply with:
Originally posted by krisblaze
These are not incidents of him "taking it to Hulk and Thor".

They're incidents of him surviving encounters with them, and fighting other, weaker superhumans. Which is well within his capabilities.

"Taking it to Hulk and Thor" implies that he was a threat to either of them. He was not.
To which i can only paraphrase a fictional character by saying

http://i.imgur.com/2QieTt0.jpg

Any further debate, if you fail to even concede something as simple as what 'taking it to' someone means, will be pretty useless, but probably entertaining.

Why don't you fukc off back to herochat with the other trolls instead?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes.

These are not incidents of him "taking it to Hulk and Thor".

They're incidents of him surviving encounters with them, and fighting other, weaker superhumans. Which is well within his capabilities.

"Taking it to Hulk and Thor" implies that he was a threat to either of them. He was not.

It meant he took the fight to them, survived, and actually drew blood. With Hulk, he even put him down on his back.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038166-cap+vs+hulk+%235+%282%29.jpg

Originally posted by krisblaze
Why don't you fukc off back to herochat with the other trolls instead?
Why dont you understand what 'taking it to' someone means?

He also happened to drop a tank on him prior to that and iirc he was juiced up on the SS serum.

Originally posted by krisblaze
He also happened to drop a tank on him prior to that and iirc he was juiced up on the SS serum.

And Hulk was just fine from that - he was still ripping tanks apart like paper.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038165-cap+vs+hulk+%235+%281%29.jpg

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And Hulk was just fine from that - he was still ripping tanks apart like paper.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038165-cap+vs+hulk+%235+%281%29.jpg

Yes, I remember the fight.

Taking it to someone implies that you compete with them, threaten them in some way.

I suppose you could say that he was close to getting the adamantium needle in.

I'll quit now, it just looks like I'm being extremely petty.

Originally posted by krisblaze
He also happened to drop a tank on him prior to that and iirc he was juiced up on the SS serum.
Yeah, way to take it to the Hulk.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Ult Cap fought a bloodlusted Ult Hulk, and only had these injuries:


Only because Thor saved him.

Originally posted by Faceless808
What tier would you place Hawkman, Cogito?

Pre-DCnU (again, not familiar enough with DCnU) I'd place about as high in the meta tier as it gets. Higher if he gets the Claw.

His damage soak is absurd, his strength is highly underrated, and the mace lets him hit a couple tiers above his peers.

He seemed to fluctuate a f*cking lot, actually... DC never really had a good idea on what to do with those Thanagarians.

Originally posted by Cogito
Pre-DCnU (again, not familiar enough with DCnU) I'd place about as high in the meta tier as it gets. Higher if he gets the Claw.

His damage soak is absurd, his strength is highly underrated, and the mace lets him hit a couple tiers above his peers.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He seemed to fluctuate a f*cking lot, actually... DC never really had a good idea on what to do with those Thanagarians.


I like the direction their taking HM now, though!!

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Only because Thor saved him.
That really doesnt matter in and of the fight itself, but ok.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Only because Thor saved him.

My point was, Hulk was absolutely wailing on him. Bloodlusted, too.

Even if Thor saves him later, the main thing to take away is that he took the best from a bloodlusted Hulk, who would be punching above what Hawkman would be outputting.

And had a cracked rib, dislocated shoulder etc to show from it.

^^^You're asking way to much with that takeaway.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
My point was, Hulk was absolutely wailing on him. Bloodlusted, too.

Even if Thor saves him later, the main thing to take away is that he took the best from a bloodlusted Hulk, who would be punching above what Hawkman would be outputting.

And had a cracked rib, dislocated shoulder etc to show from it.

Why should a bloodlusted Ultimate Hulk be stronger than Hawkman?

That was practically his first showing and he was nowhere near 616 Hulk.

Lol. Hulk was pretty angry.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol. Hulk was pretty angry.

Yeah so?

You're treating this like it's 616 Hulk.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Why should a bloodlusted Ultimate Hulk be stronger than Hawkman?

Holy shit.

Ah well, i guess the takeaway from this and Stilt's post is, you guys are unwilling (or more likely unable) to grasp the takeaway of DS's posts.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Why should a bloodlusted Ultimate Hulk be stronger than Hawkman?

That was practically his first showing and he was nowhere near 616 Hulk.

Very true.

What feats does DCnU Hawkman have, that equates to Hulk ripping a tank apart like tissue?

Or, even better, what feats does he have which are even better than that?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Very true.

What feats does DCnU Hawkman have, that equates to Hulk ripping a tank apart like tissue?

Or, even better, what feats does he have which are even better than that?

More impressive than ripping apart ceramic tank armor?

Any of his strength feats I would assume?

I don't think any character with cl100 strength would have a hard time ripping apart that tank.

Yah. Not moving big guys, because obv they don't weigh 100tons lol.

Hulk didn't just rip the armour, he ripped the entire tank apart, chassis and all.

But yes, feats of DCnU Hawkman's strength which surpasses Ult. Hulk (not nerd Hulk or whatever) feats in that fight with Cap.

^^^You would make a great teacher.

Ult. Hulk has also...

-Ripped Ult. Adamantium in half.
-Tanked nuclear explosions.
-Shredded through the Chituari and their leader.
-Raped Ult. Abomination.
-Effortlessly shredded through The Maker's City AND his Children of Tomorrow(probably Hulk's best feats, tbh.)
-Ragdolled Ult. Thing.
-Ragdolled an Ult. Skrull posing as him.
-Etc.


Ult. Cap enduring a beating from him is VERY impressive, tbh.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ult. Hulk has also...

-Ripped Ult. Adamantium in half.
-Tanked nuclear explosions.
-Shredded through the Chituari and their leader.
-Raped Ult. Abomination.
-Effortlessly shredded through The Maker's City AND his Children of Tomorrow(probably Hulk's best feats, tbh.)
-Ragdolled Ult. Thing.
-Ragdolled an Ult. Skrull posing as him.
-Etc.


Ult. Cap enduring a beating from him is VERY impressive, tbh.

Not just enduring a beating. Walking away with essentially what amounts to the beating you get when in a street fight between humans, i.e. peers.

NOT saying Ult Cap = Ult Hulk btw, just that he walks away with a battered face, cracked ribs, dislocated arm etc, which is what you could well get in a street fight on a Friday night.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/123441/3038077-cap+feat+durability+vs+hulk+%283%29.jpg

So that's the durability. Here he is matching Ult Spidey, who is worried about Aunt May (and we all know how amped Spideys get when May is concerned):

http://i.imgur.com/XIhhcvL.png

Granted, as the convo progresses, Spidey calms down and stops fighting back - but not in the initial panels, where he's still trying to get to Aunt May. So he's still giving it his all in the first panel or so.

BUT, Ult Spidey =/=616 Spidey. So how strong is Ult Spidey?

http://i.imgur.com/Af6xBLc.png

Forklifts weigh 5 tons.

http://i.imgur.com/KiFPR9Y.jpg

Class 8 HDTs like that weigh 15tons.

Which makes sense, given this:

http://i.imgur.com/OwLxe9Lh.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/oXAq028.jpg

^^^sweet.

Also my new wallpaper.

Originally posted by Galan007
Ult. Hulk has also...

-Ripped Ult. Adamantium in half.
-Tanked nuclear explosions.
-Shredded through the Chituari and their leader.
-Raped Ult. Abomination.
-Effortlessly shredded through The Maker's City AND his Children of Tomorrow(probably Hulk's best feats, tbh.)
-Ragdolled Ult. Thing.
-Ragdolled an Ult. Skrull posing as him.
-Etc.


Ult. Cap enduring a beating from him is VERY impressive, tbh.

He was also beaten by the thing and zarda.

It's impressive, I just don't see the gap between ult cap and ult hulk as big as the gap between regular cap and hulk. And I don't consider ult hulk a peer to 616 hulk strength-wise.

I'll look up some hawkman stuff. iirc his regen is pretty insane now.

Yah, but you're meant to be proving that DCnU Hawkman would be more impressive than Ult. Hulk in his fight with Cap.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yah, but you're meant to be proving that DCnU Hawkman would be more impressive than Ult. Hulk in his fight with Cap.

Yes, but Hulk's role in that job was tearing apart a tank and getting beat on.

What am I supposed to prove? That Hawkman has some superstrength?

He doesn't have to be as strong as ult hulk to beat ult cap, far from it.

iirc Cap also had some extra juice in him.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Yes, but Hulk's role in that job was tearing apart a tank and getting beat on.

What am I supposed to prove? That Hawkman has some superstrength?

He doesn't have to be as strong as ult hulk to beat ult cap, far from it.

iirc Cap also had some extra juice in him.

Well, I showed Hulk wailing on him, and said that in that fight, Hulk was above DCnU Hawkman could output. Yet, Cap walked away with a busted face etc.

You came in, and said hang on, this ain't 616 Hulk (which I never said), and asked why WOULD Ult. Hulk be outputting more damage than DCnU Hawkman. IOW:



So...scans of DCnU Hawkman being STRONGER than a bloodlusted Ult Hulk, who was unable to put Steve down permanently or w/ever. You know what I'm asking for, lol. DCnU Hawkman is nowhere near as strong as Ult. Hulk, IMO, but if you think otherwise, feel free to post.

Cap walked away because Thor saved him. Cap was screaming out for chrissakes. If that fight continued he would've been dead meat.

Ult Hulk was not unable to put him down, he was putting him down and was stopped by Thor.

You're being full on Carter here. Anyone in their right mind can see that Hulk had Cap dead to rights.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Cap walked away because Thor saved him. Cap was screaming out for chrissakes. If that fight continued he would've been dead meat.

Ult Hulk was not unable to put him down, he was putting him down and was stopped by Thor.

See edit, as I knew you would jump on that.

Your point, which I asked you to prove, was that DCnU Hawkman was stronger than a bloodlusted Ult. Hulk.

Simples.

Edit: IOW, I am asking for proof to back this point up:

Originally posted by krisblaze
Why should a bloodlusted Ultimate Hulk be stronger than Hawkman?


Edit 2: and you can also see that Cap had Hulk dead to rights. But, let's not get sidetracked here - am still waiting on why a bloodlusted Ult Hulk is NOT stronger than DCnU Hawkman.

Edit 3 (because I love edits): launching guys into the air does not quite count, unless said guys have a mass of like 1 ton or w/ever. Without flight, it becomes less about strength and more about the mass of said guy.

And why should he?

At that point Hulk had one showing, which was tearing apart the tank.

Cap didn't have Hulk dead to rights, he had a window of opportunity. Did Iron Man also have him dead to rights?

Edit: I'll look up scans when I get home.

Originally posted by krisblaze
And why should he?

At that point Hulk had one showing, which was tearing apart the tank.

Cool.

So one showing of Hulk, vs the entirety of DCnU Hawkman's output. Who has been going since 2011, so nearly 5 years' worth of output. What feats does DCnU Hawkman have that surpasses that single showing?

Here's a respect thread for Hawkman, so you can save time:
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2ofkot/respect_hawkman_new_52/

I've talked myself into a corner here.

I don't really know how strong you have to be to tear apart a tank.

Tbh, I'm only using that one tank showing because I wanted to be fair, because it was directly before the beat down Cap gave to Hulk (IOW, IF Hulk was weakened, it wasn't by much, because he was tearing tanks apart like tissue lol). And of course, directly before the beat down HE gave to Cappy.

I could've been idiotic, and taken Hulks' highest showings ever, and said that was the level he as operating at in that fight, but I didn't.

I was just incredibly mystified when you said Hulk wasn't Hawkman level, that's all.

That was...awesome.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool.

So one showing of Hulk, vs the entirety of DCnU Hawkman's output. Who has been going since 2011, so nearly 5 years' worth of output. What feats does DCnU Hawkman have that surpasses that single showing?

Here's a respect thread for Hawkman, so you can save time:
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2ofkot/respect_hawkman_new_52/

Who are you going with on average?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cool.

So one showing of Hulk, vs the entirety of DCnU Hawkman's output. Who has been going since 2011, so nearly 5 years' worth of output. What feats does DCnU Hawkman have that surpasses that single showing?

Here's a respect thread for Hawkman, so you can save time:
https://www.reddit.com/r/respectthreads/comments/2ofkot/respect_hawkman_new_52/

That link doesn't show Hawman taking it to Shaggy Man (Justice League of America). Hawkman was losing a fatally amount of blood and still continued to fight.

Shaggy Man>>>Ult. Hulk.

Shall we go scan for scan, Ult. Hulk vs DCnU Shaggy Man? And it has to be the same version shown against the JLA, not the version Aquaman later fought.

AFTER that, we will need to show how Hawkman losing to Shaggy, equates to Cap putting Hulk flat on his back, then going through a beating with only a busted face etc.

It speaks volumes for Hawkman's tenacity, sure. But that just puts him at Wolverine level, tbh.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Shall we go scan for scan, Ult. Hulk vs DCnU Shaggy Man? And it has to be the same version shown against the JLA, not the version Aquaman later fought.

AFTER that, we will need to show how Hawkman losing to Shaggy, equates to Cap putting Hulk flat on his back, then going through a beating with only a busted face etc.

It speaks volumes for Hawkman's tenacity, sure. But that just puts him at Wolverine level, tbh.

It's the same version, though. I think in the issue of Aquaman, Aquaman stated that SM fought the JLA, which is the same version Hawkman fought.

Hawkman has also taken blows from Aquaman and Wonder Woman.

I'd take a blow from Wonder Woman.

Edit:
Hard to believe this all stems from Krisblaze's misunderstanding of the term 'take it to'.

Originally posted by Zack M
It's the same version, though. I think in the issue of Aquaman, Aquaman stated that SM fought the JLA, which is the same version Hawkman fought.

Hawkman has also taken blows from Aquaman and Wonder Woman.

That Shaggy that Hawkman fought was a robot, no?

There have been several Shaggy Men, IIRC. So the one Arthur fought may well have fought the JLA.

But, sidetracking here. What did Shaggy Man show that was > Ult Hulk?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That Shaggy that Hawkman fought was a robot, no?

There have been several Shaggy Men, IIRC. So the one Arthur fought may well have fought the JLA.

But, sidetracking here. What did Shaggy Man show that was > Ult Hulk?

I don't recall them ever saying there were several shaggy man. SM isn't even a natural being, so it should be the same one.

SM adapts, so it will adapt beyond Hulk.

Oh no no, this isn't a Hulk vs Shaggy fight.

It's who has displayed better strength feats

SM taking on the JLA and needing BFR to be beaten is pretty uber.

As for the actual fight, I think Hawkman's armor will protect him from Cap's blows. It's symboite lite and if it can block ammunition, withstand blunt force, and energy attacks, Cap will have a hard time.

Not to mention, Hawkman can work in the air and have a maneuverability edge against Steve.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oh no no, this isn't a Hulk vs Shaggy fight.

It's who has displayed better strength feats

Good job 😉

^^^Great job.

Here are some additional scans from supeemutant that wasn't in Darksaints link. It's really Hawkman armor that gives him the victory, imo. It's simply too much.

Of course I'm comparing Wolverine when he had a healing factor b/c current Logan would get curb stomp.

Hawkman takes massive punishment from Shaggyman android then resists being torn apart by Flash, Cyborg, Aquaman, and Green Lantern androids all design by Pr. Ivo. Ivo states that they are having a hard time trying to put Hawkman down. Continues fighting Shaggyman when JLA arrives.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+005-005.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+005-007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+005-009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+005-010.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+005-012.jpg

Punches Blockbuster so hard that he almost goes into orbit.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+020-015.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+020-016.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+020-017.jpg

Is impaled through chest and heart, heals immediately.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...hegroup-013.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...hegroup-014.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...hegroup-015.jpg

Explains some of the nth metal capabilities.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...hegroup_015.jpg

Restores Hawkman's wings.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...hegroup_014.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...hegroup_015.jpg

Heals instantly from being shot in back by sniper (Pike).

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...hegroup_002.jpg_
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...hegroup_003.jpg

Fly speed is up to 500 mph

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...hegroup_006.jpg

Berserker Mode (full combat mode) Nth metal covers entire body and enhances stats. With one shot sends Blockbuster through cars, gets crushed by two cars w/o damage, and pounds Blockbuster through concrete.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+020-007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+020-009.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+020-010.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+020-011.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+020-012.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...%29+020-013.jpg

So this ends one of two ones, Logan gets koed after being punched into orbit or gets his head cut off from Hawkman's nth metal axe.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=606912&pagenumber=5

Damn that guy guest stars in EVERYthing. Even this thread.

Anybody keeping up with Death of Hawkman mini? I wonder if he still has the Nth metal berserker mode.

Originally posted by Zack M
Here are some additional scans

Probably took a lot of work to put those scans together but uh...they broke.

Originally posted by Cogito
Probably took a lot of work to put those scans together but uh...they broke.

He just copied and pasted someone's post. So many years on kmc and golgo still has no clue how links work.

That's why I pasted the link, too.

Originally posted by Zack M
That's why I pasted the link, too.
Someone else's hard work notwithstanding, nothing DS has said has been refuted.
I wasnt sure who'd win this match, but i'm leaning towards Cap, thanks in large part to you.

Cap is clearly the more skilled of the two, but I'd still give a slight edge to Carter. His regen is pretty epic, obviously flight, and symbiotic Nth metal armor. Cap makes a good run of it though.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Cap is clearly the more skilled of the two, but I'd still give a slight edge to Carter. His regen is pretty epic, obviously flight, and symbiotic Nth metal armor. Cap makes a good run of it though.

That's how I see it, too.

Originally posted by Supermutant
Anybody keeping up with Death of Hawkman mini? I wonder if he still has the Nth metal berserker mode.

I have. It's pretty average, but no mention of berzerker mode. I doubt they'll get into that. I forgot one attack that Hawkman might be able to do. The Nth metal is able to go energy mode, like here:

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/HM2_zpsnwpzmlit.jpg

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/HM_zpsvglkvpw7.jpg