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Instead of The Mountain; Cersei calls on Achilles for the Trial by Combat. Oberyn Martell believes it was Achilles that killed his sister and her children.

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Achilles IMO.

Faster (by a bit) and the guy had ridiculous economy in movement and precision.

Viper's advantage is his poison and if he manages to even nick Achilles, all he had to do was play keepaway to survive.

Thing is, he'll get skewered long before he can nick Achilles.

I would have used Arthur Dayne, but meh.

No one in GoT can stand against Achilles in a straight up melee.

Originally posted by FrothByte
No one in GoT can stand against Achilles in a straight up melee. Arthur Dayne definitely hate a shot.

He is stated by George R. to be above Selmy in his prime.

The same Selmy that can "cut through the Kingsguard like carving a cake."

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Arthur Dayne definitely hate a shot.

He is stated by George R. to be above Selmy in his prime.

The same Selmy that can "cut through the Kingsguard like carving a cake."

Only if we consider Arthur Dayne from the books. Arthur Dayne from the show has done nothing to indicate he's anywhere near Achilles. Even the way he moves is slow and clunky compared to Achilles.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Only if we consider Arthur Dayne from the books. Arthur Dayne from the show has done nothing to indicate he's anywhere near Achilles. Even the way he moves is slow and clunky compared to Achilles. He was literally stomping Ned Stark's team.

The guy had to pretend he was dead just for him to turn his back and get stabbed in the neck.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
The guy had to pretend he was dead just for him to turn his back and get stabbed in the neck.

Not what happened

EDIT: Disregard I misread

His skill isn't in question. He's just super slow in comparison, as GoT has most people fighting slow and methodical. Achilles would pick Dayne apart.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
He was literally stomping Ned Stark's team.

The guy had to pretend he was dead just for him to turn his back and get stabbed in the neck.

Most of Stark's team were little more than boys. Achilles has waded through entire companies of soldiers without a single scratch on him. Plus if you just watch them move, again, Dayne is plainly slower and clunkier than Achilles.

Actually, no.

They just have different styles of fighting.

Roman and European styles of fighting are very different.

It doesn't matter how fast a person is when it comes to street-levelers, the more skilled person will win every time.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Actually, no.

They just have different styles of fighting.

Roman and European styles of fighting are very different.

It doesn't matter how fast a person is when it comes to street-levelers, the more skilled person will win every time.

Rome is Europeran.

Achilles didn't fight like your usual Spartan, tho.

Guy showed incredible precision and economy of movement (unlike Oberyn who was flashy but wasted a lot of movemeng). It was literally move-kill, move-kill without losing his defensive posture. A testament to a character's skill.

Great choreography.

One of my favorite moves was when he (without looking) blocked an arrow to the back with his shield by nonchalantly slinging his shield on his back all the while still attacking the opponents in front of him.

FIghting style doesn't matter. Achilles is just faster, point blank period. And his own skill is superb. So not only is he just as if not more skilled than Arthur, he's much faster.

Oberyn would be more of a problem, but all his dancing and toying around would get him stabbed.

We can put up videos for direct comparison, but it's pretty obvious watching them.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
Actually, no.

They just have different styles of fighting.

Roman and European styles of fighting are very different.

It doesn't matter how fast a person is when it comes to street-levelers, the more skilled person will win every time.

Unfortunately for you, Achilles has proven more skill than either Dayne or Oberyn, plus he's notably much faster and moves much more powerfully. So there's literally no advantage Dayne has other than maybe better armor.

Dayne does use steel weapons and armor, tho. Lighter and more durable than iron armor of Spartan era. S'about it IMO.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Dayne does use steel weapons and armor, tho. Lighter and more durable than iron armor of Spartan era. S'about it IMO.

True, but it's kinda moot. He has plenty of joints and open spaces for Achilles to go stabby stabby on. And it'll only take slightly more effort than just jabbing him in the gut.

After all, his helmet has a big hole...a big sword sized hole.

Achilles looks like he uses mainly leather armor with maybe some iron plating. Won't matter though, I don't see Dayne or Oberyn landing a hit on him, especially if he has his shield. I still maintain my position that no fighter in GoT can beat Achilles in a straight up sword fight. GoT is a great show on many aspects but fight choreography is not one of them.