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All-out, who wins.

R1 = Meh
TFA = F'ing infamy

R1 was significantly better.

^

Reported for mismatch.

Rogue One stomps

I preferred TFA.

R1 stomps in blitzkrieg. Right Bart?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I preferred TFA.

Didn't expect anything else from a phag whose favourite "character" is assoka.

Rogue One was more entertaining, imo.

They do different things better. I preferred the characters of TFA and Kylo Ren was a better villain than R1's. Han's death and the lightsaber fight in the snow were also stellar moments, as was the Falcon fight and Poe's "One hell of a pilot!" moment. The start of the film also may be the best of any SW movie. There were weak moments, like on Han's cargo ship and the egregious "how are we seeing these planets explode?" shite, the final ship battle was also forgettable. Phasma wasn't handled well at all.

R1 had cool characters that were more entertaining as concepts than anything deeper, but they were strong enough that I'm legitimately bummed we can't see more of them. All the fight scenes were great. The Vader scene was spectacular. The start of the movie was rough and the Saw scenes weren't that great, though hardly bad or anything. However, it may have the greatest climax of any of the films. The finale was absolutely amazing and left me literally shaking as I left the theater.

R1 stomps easily. It's better in litterally everything and i already look forward to watching it again asap, while i couldn't care less about TFA. Not that TFA is a bad movie, if i could give it a mark i would say 6,5/10, but R1 is a solid 8, 8,5.

TFA stuck with me more, but I honestly won't be rewatching either anytime soon. CGI Tarkin was pretty good imo.

I liked Rogue One better and felt it was a better addition the new canon

Here's a good article, I agree on most points:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/12/20/star-wars-rogue-one-vs-the-force-awakens-which-is-better/#6266b16e5bc7

TFA.

TFA was trying too hard to be Star Wars.

R1 on the other hand gave just as much Nostalgia to the OT, while actually giving us a new story, new worlds, new ships, and breaking new ground with special effects as SW always has.

R1 also didn't feel the need to force in a Lightsaber duel just for the sake of it. But most of all R1 had balls, something TFA severely lacked.

There's No contest here IMHO. R1 stomps.

The Force Awakens

Rogue One, but both had their ups and downs.

Rogue One. You'd have tic be pretty retarded to not make a movie better than TFA.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Here's a good article, I agree on most points:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2016/12/20/star-wars-rogue-one-vs-the-force-awakens-which-is-better/#6266b16e5bc7

That article (and with it, you) lost all credibility when it said Rey is a good character. Go die in your own vomit you miserbale f-uck.

Happy new year to u too.

https://youtu.be/YBLcxXR1PMw?t=27

Originally posted by NewGuy01
https://youtu.be/YBLcxXR1PMw?t=27

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3oSAVwcD4U

Originally posted by SunRazer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3oSAVwcD4U

https://youtu.be/4ESOrF_u1hg?t=121

Originally posted by NewGuy01
https://youtu.be/4ESOrF_u1hg?t=121

https://youtu.be/4ESOrF_u1hg?t=255

Originally posted by SunRazer
https://youtu.be/4ESOrF_u1hg?t=255

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn8MZgZmeT4

Originally posted by NewGuy01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vn8MZgZmeT4

https://youtu.be/DZ1YNlSCBSA?t=108

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfcEHOrhJmQ

I liked TFA more. I totally understand why some people hate it because of its lack of originality, but honestly, I don't really care about that. I thought it was a very fun movie that entertained me throughout, I liked most of the characters, and it just settled with me better. Plus, it just felt like true Star Wars.

That's not to say Rogue One didn't entertain me, or that I didn't like most of the characters, etc. -- but comparatively, it just didn't really stack up.

I'd give TFA a 9/10 and Rogue One an 8/10, tbh.

Yeah, despite the lack of originality I still feel TFA had a better acted, more entertaining and more depth filled cast, hit more emotional highs and had a solidly engaging story arc throughout; whereas the first act of Rogue One was, to put it bluntly, kinda dull, the dialogue was a little clunky in some places, the characters less developed and the humour simply wasn't quite as well pulled off. It was still a great movie but TFA simply the better produced product, as you'd expect.

Rogue One stomps.

Originally posted by Azronger
Rogue One stomps.

TFA was good, but R1 was better. Much better.

The Force Awakens wins it for me, they're also difficult to compare since that both movies have a different purpose. Rogue One was this story they could put forward which needed to explain events and they already much of the setting through A New Hope (and by extent the Sequel Trilogy). The Force Awakens on the other hand needed to set up a (almost) completely new story which could be interesting and complex enough to make a trilogy out of it while also setting up characters that have more depth than the counterparts in R1.

Originally posted by DarthDuelist9
The Force Awakens on the other hand needed to set up a (almost) completely new story which could be interesting and complex enough to make a trilogy out of it while also setting up characters that have more depth than the counterparts in R1.

And they failed miserably. The story is a blatant ripoff of ANH and the characters suck. Kylo is daddy issues #237856t18725, and Rey is the worst shit that happened to Star Wars. Yeah, worse than Jar Jar.

Lmao, anyone have real reasons for voting R1?

Yes, 60% of the voters

uhuh

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Lmao, anyone have real reasons for voting R1?
Honestly, while I found the lack of originality of TFA disappointing, I did legitimately enjoy TFA.

That being said, Rogue One does rank higher for me. Between it's plot originality, it's more fast paced nature, and the fact that I'm actually set up to be emotionally invested in the Rebels (unlike the new Republic, where the only reason I gave a shit about the destruction of the Hosnian system was Harrison Ford's sad face and John William's sad music), it was just more exciting for me to watch, not to mention it feels more like a war with the grittier combat scenes, and HOLY SHIT the space battle.

I also enjoyed how Rogue One was less morally black and white with even some of the good guys making hard calls and doing morally dubious things, whereas the most morally dubious shit in TFA from a good guy was "should I help out or run away from the fight."

I also preferred the villains of Rogue One, don't get me wrong, I actually enjoyed Kylo Ren as a character, and thought Hux's passion driven extremist speech was a good choice for the character, but we know next to nothing about Snoke, Phasma was absolute shit, and Hux was relatively undeveloped, whereas Rogue One did an excellent job portraying the Empire and Krennic and Tarkin. Not to mention that the rivalry between Krennic and Tarkin was actually something real with conflict over who gets credit for the Death Star, threats, passive aggressive compliments, and Tarkin knowingly ordering Krennic's death at the end, which definitely trumps the nasty looks Kylo and Hux shot each other during their conversations with Snoke. And again, even though I actually like Kylo and his character development... he just can't compare with the OG. Sure Vader wasn't in Rogue One that much, but both of his scenes were perfect.

And lastly, Rogue One just does a better job building off of the lore. It expands upon the origins of the Death Star, the Rebel alliance, the Empire, Darth Vader, the retrieval of the Death Star plans, does a lot of world building, and just ties up a lot of loose ends and connects and fits into the existing canon lore almost perfectly (aside from the Leia/Vader convo which is a little shaky). TFA on the other hand, while it does do some world building and sets up for a new trilogy, it honestly doesn't do the best job building off of what before it, instead of building off of a Galaxy freed from tyranny, it's resetting the plot to the ANH Empire/First Order vs Rebels/Resistance oppressor underdog dynamic, with the most building off of the ROTJ victory being the New Republic, which we got to spend zero time with before its destruction. On top of this, again while I enjoyed the movie, Luke running away makes zero sense given the way ROTJ set up his character arc.

Originally posted by Emperordmb


I also enjoyed how Rogue One was less morally black and white with even some of the good guys making hard calls and doing morally dubious things, whereas the most morally dubious shit in TFA from a good guy was "should I help out or run away from the fight."

This was one of the big reasons I like RO, maybe I missed some EU stories but holy hell it bothered the crap out of me that the Rebellion was always 100% in the right with what they were doing, that they never did anything that was morally wrong.

Yeah...I know it's fiction, that was one of the things, despite me having the RA in my Top 3 factions that bothered me to no end, cause there was no way that they were always right, that's just completely unrealistic even by fiction standards with the way the SWU is set up.

I 100% agree with What dmb said.

Lmao Anyone seen S20 of South Park? It's a good study into how JJ Abrams screwing up TFA lead to Trump getting elected.

Both suck.

Rogue One by a long shot.
I loved pretty much everything about the movie.

My only complaints are:

- minimal dialogue
- minimal character development
- Jyn not being as rebellious as advertised

But considering the fast pace of the movie and the ending, it made perfect sense not to invest too much into these areas.

That being said, I would not want to see the main episodic movies being made similar to Rogue One. Official episode movies need more depth and more character development.

I rated TFA 7 - 7.5 / 10.
I rated Rogue One 9 - 10/ 10.

both suck

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Honestly, while I found the lack of originality of TFA disappointing, I did legitimately enjoy TFA.

That being said, Rogue One does rank higher for me. Between it's plot originality, it's more fast paced nature, and the fact that I'm actually set up to be emotionally invested in the Rebels (unlike the new Republic, where the only reason I gave a shit about the destruction of the Hosnian system was Harrison Ford's sad face and John William's sad music), it was just more exciting for me to watch, not to mention it feels more like a war with the grittier combat scenes, and HOLY SHIT the space battle.

I also enjoyed how Rogue One was less morally black and white with even some of the good guys making hard calls and doing morally dubious things, whereas the most morally dubious shit in TFA from a good guy was "should I help out or run away from the fight."

I also preferred the villains of Rogue One, don't get me wrong, I actually enjoyed Kylo Ren as a character, and thought Hux's passion driven extremist speech was a good choice for the character, but we know next to nothing about Snoke, Phasma was absolute shit, and Hux was relatively undeveloped, whereas Rogue One did an excellent job portraying the Empire and Krennic and Tarkin. Not to mention that the rivalry between Krennic and Tarkin was actually something real with conflict over who gets credit for the Death Star, threats, passive aggressive compliments, and Tarkin knowingly ordering Krennic's death at the end, which definitely trumps the nasty looks Kylo and Hux shot each other during their conversations with Snoke. And again, even though I actually like Kylo and his character development... he just can't compare with the OG. Sure Vader wasn't in Rogue One that much, but both of his scenes were perfect.

And lastly, Rogue One just does a better job building off of the lore. It expands upon the origins of the Death Star, the Rebel alliance, the Empire, Darth Vader, the retrieval of the Death Star plans, does a lot of world building, and just ties up a lot of loose ends and connects and fits into the existing canon lore almost perfectly (aside from the Leia/Vader convo which is a little shaky). TFA on the other hand, while it does do some world building and sets up for a new trilogy, it honestly doesn't do the best job building off of what before it, instead of building off of a Galaxy freed from tyranny, it's resetting the plot to the ANH Empire/First Order vs Rebels/Resistance oppressor underdog dynamic, with the most building off of the ROTJ victory being the New Republic, which we got to spend zero time with before its destruction. On top of this, again while I enjoyed the movie, Luke running away makes zero sense given the way ROTJ set up his character arc. Ngl you might've changed my mind. :mmm:

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Honestly, while I found the lack of originality of TFA disappointing, I did legitimately enjoy TFA.



Ugh I just rewatched TFA last night and found some enjoyment in it.

It's basically Finn that makes that film enjoyable (on top of Han Solo of course).

If you just turn a blind eye to the way it rehash's ANH, then that helps too.

Literally who cares about that.

Butt hurt people like Thor.

Lot of people criticize TFA for being unoriginal, including people who like it.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Literally who cares about that.

I agree. TFA is shit by its own merits, plagiarising ANH is just the last straw.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Literally who cares about that.


Originally posted by Beniboybling
Butt hurt people like Thor.


"The Resistance" facepalm

They're both good in different ways.

I liked TFA because of the new characters, planets, and special effects. I wasn't a huge fan of the plot, and I thought it was really stupid how Rey beat Kylo Ren.

I liked Rogue One because it showed us the Star Wars universe like we've never seen it before, the space battle was epic, the ground battle was also epic, and the scenes with Vader were awesome. I wasn't a huge fan of the new characters however, and the first hour of the movie was a little slow.

Overall I'd say Rogue One was the better movie. I expect episode VIII will be really good; all of the same new characters (plus more), more planets, great special effects, and hopefully a better story than TFA.

^ Rian Johnson is a great director as well. And can't wait to see Luke. Only problem I'm going to have going into Ep.8 is the whole set up Abrams did. They can't not make it like the OT now because that's the set up Abrams gave us.

I hope it has AT-ATs and Luke is revealed to be Rey's father.

Luke is for certain Rey's father.

I read somewhere that Rey is supposed to be a reincarnation of Anakin, and that the chosen one is reincarnated everytime the force is thrown out of balance. I really hope that's not what they're doing though.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I hope it has AT-ATs

Shut up Beni...

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I hope it has AT-ATs and Luke is revealed to be Rey's father.


Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Luke is for certain Rey's father.


I'm more and more certain this was pretty much revealed in the film. So unless Rian and Colin purposely change Abrams original intention due to the hype around the question of who Rey is, it should be Luke.

you like AT-ATs in rogue one but not Ep VIII? smh

Rey is probably Assoka's daughter considering they are both disgusting Mary Sues.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
you like AT-ATs in rogue one but not Ep VIII? smh



I like them not using and doing the same things over and over. Especially after TFA.

Seems you've forgotten the days when Star Wars used to actually surprise us.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
you like AT-ATs in rogue one but not Ep VIII? smh

Those were AT-ACT, not AT-ATs.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I like them not using and doing the same things over and over. Especially after TFA.

Seems you've forgotten the days when Star Wars used to actually surprise us. wow such double standard, Rogue one was full of stuff from the OT yet no complaints? They even had cgi tarkin, what a rip off. I hope we get cgi Lando in VIII.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Those were AT-ACT, not AT-ATs. same difference uhuh

Beni's been triggered.

i am a reasonable man, but Thor is testing my patience.

TFA had good moments, but Rogue One is vastly superior, imho.

Originally posted by Darth Thor






I'm more and more certain this was pretty much revealed in the film. So unless Rian and Colin purposely change Abrams original intention due to the hype around the question of who Rey is, it should be Luke.

It's Palpatine.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
wow such double standard, Rogue one was full of stuff from the OT yet no complaints? They even had cgi tarkin, what a rip off. I hope we get cgi Lando in VIII.



Think really hard about this and if you still don't get it then I'll explain the difference to you.

There is nothing you can explain to me.

Episode VIII isn't going to work unless we get Rey Palpatine IMHO.

I liked TFA better, but not by a whole lot.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
There is nothing you can explain to me.


Pretty arrogant thinking I can't explain anything to you about my preferences.


I'm not against nostalgia, but I'm used to Star Wars giving us something new and original with every film. TFA was the first SW film to revamp an old SW plot and sell it as a sequel, which didn't even make sense. I mean Resistance instead of Rebellion? First Order instead of the Empire? It's retarded. This is supposed to be a sequel to the OT, and yet somehow the Galaxy's just gone back to the same situation they were in the OT..

On top of that it's supposed to be 30 years later, and yet everyone's still using the same spaceships. Star Destroyer's, X-Wing's and Tie Fighters. But hey no Death Star right? Oh wait..


Now did R1 just copy a previous SW film? Nope. Is R1 giving us the same political situation and vehicles? Well.. Yeah... But it makes sense coming right before ANH. But heck they still managed to give us U-Wings and Death Troopers at least.

R1 is a Great example of how you can give us something new and different but still puts lots of nostalgia around it. TFA is a great example of a film just desperately clinging to nostalgia. It was the Superman Returns of SW films.

Heck Lucas himself called TFA a very Retro movie, but really liked R1. There's nothing hypocritical there. It's a perfectly valid criticism of TFA, that doesn't wholly apply to R1.

And FYI AT-AT's make sense for a ground assault in the OT time period. Plus we hadn't seen them on screen in a good long while. But I don't want Episode 8 now to just be a copy of ESB. And I'd definitely prefer they come up with some new vehicles (30 years on).




Originally posted by Nephthys
Episode VIII isn't going to work unless we get Rey Palpatine IMHO.


Personally not buying into any of these Grandparent theories, because I think they need to go into who her parents are, not grandparents.

She's most likely a Skywalker.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Pretty arrogant thinking I can't explain anything to you about my preferences.


I'm not against nostalgia, but I'm used to Star Wars giving us something new and original with every film. TFA was the first SW film to revamp an old SW plot and sell it as a sequel, which didn't even make sense. I mean Resistance instead of Rebellion? First Order instead of the Empire? It's retarded. This is supposed to be a sequel to the OT, and yet somehow the Galaxy's just gone back to the same situation they were in the OT..

On top of that it's supposed to be 30 years later, and yet everyone's still using the same spaceships. Star Destroyer's, X-Wing's and Tie Fighters. But hey no Death Star right? Oh wait..


Now did R1 just copy a previous SW film? Nope. Is R1 giving us the same political situation and vehicles? Well.. Yeah... But it makes sense coming right before ANH. But heck they still managed to give us U-Wings and Death Troopers at least.

R1 is a Great example of how you can give us something new and different but still puts lots of nostalgia around it. TFA is a great example of a film just desperately clinging to nostalgia. It was the Superman Returns of SW films.

Heck Lucas himself called TFA a very Retro movie, but really liked R1. There's nothing hypocritical there. It's a perfectly valid criticism of TFA, that doesn't wholly apply to R1.

And FYI AT-AT's make sense for a ground assault in the OT time period. Plus we hadn't seen them on screen in a good long while. But I don't want Episode 8 now to just be a copy of ESB. And I'd definitely prefer they come up with some new vehicles (30 years on). Is this a bad time to say I was trolling?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Is this a bad time to say I was trolling?



You little ....

http://i.imgur.com/4DW8ATv.png

TFA and it isn't even close.

Lmfao.

TFA was clearly the far superior movie. Really do not understand why so many people have R1 ahead of it.

Originally posted by S W LeGenD
TFA was clearly the far superior movie. Really do not understand why so many people have R1 ahead of it. Because TFA was pushing a liberal agenda and was the farthest thing from original plot.

Because TFA was an ANH copy-paste taking place in a less interesting time period with a less interesting protagonist than Rogue One.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Honestly, while I found the lack of originality of TFA disappointing, I did legitimately enjoy TFA.

That being said, Rogue One does rank higher for me. Between it's plot originality, it's more fast paced nature, and the fact that I'm actually set up to be emotionally invested in the Rebels (unlike the new Republic, where the only reason I gave a shit about the destruction of the Hosnian system was Harrison Ford's sad face and John William's sad music), it was just more exciting for me to watch, not to mention it feels more like a war with the grittier combat scenes, and HOLY SHIT the space battle.

I also enjoyed how Rogue One was less morally black and white with even some of the good guys making hard calls and doing morally dubious things, whereas the most morally dubious shit in TFA from a good guy was "should I help out or run away from the fight."

I also preferred the villains of Rogue One, don't get me wrong, I actually enjoyed Kylo Ren as a character, and thought Hux's passion driven extremist speech was a good choice for the character, but we know next to nothing about Snoke, Phasma was absolute shit, and Hux was relatively undeveloped, whereas Rogue One did an excellent job portraying the Empire and Krennic and Tarkin. Not to mention that the rivalry between Krennic and Tarkin was actually something real with conflict over who gets credit for the Death Star, threats, passive aggressive compliments, and Tarkin knowingly ordering Krennic's death at the end, which definitely trumps the nasty looks Kylo and Hux shot each other during their conversations with Snoke. And again, even though I actually like Kylo and his character development... he just can't compare with the OG. Sure Vader wasn't in Rogue One that much, but both of his scenes were perfect.

And lastly, Rogue One just does a better job building off of the lore. It expands upon the origins of the Death Star, the Rebel alliance, the Empire, Darth Vader, the retrieval of the Death Star plans, does a lot of world building, and just ties up a lot of loose ends and connects and fits into the existing canon lore almost perfectly (aside from the Leia/Vader convo which is a little shaky). TFA on the other hand, while it does do some world building and sets up for a new trilogy, it honestly doesn't do the best job building off of what before it, instead of building off of a Galaxy freed from tyranny, it's resetting the plot to the ANH Empire/First Order vs Rebels/Resistance oppressor underdog dynamic, with the most building off of the ROTJ victory being the New Republic, which we got to spend zero time with before its destruction. On top of this, again while I enjoyed the movie, Luke running away makes zero sense given the way ROTJ set up his character arc.

Not sure which one was more devastating: the cancer I got from reading through some of the posts in this thread or the AIDS I got from Neph's "Rey Palpatine"

I just hope Beni dies.

TFA will always be better.

Originally posted by Sinious
I just hope Beni dies. Originally posted by Beniboybling
http://i.imgur.com/4DW8ATv.png

Originally posted by MythLord
TFA will always be better. Prolly yeah.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Because TFA was an ANH copy-paste taking place in a less interesting time period with a less interesting protagonist than Rogue One.


This. Except I'd say the time period is only less interesting because they made it less interesting.

I can't even see that broken image Beni. Were you trying to give me a third lethal disease on top of the ones I got from your thread?

The image is fine, you are the broken one here. uhuh

R1 is good, TFA is the worst SW movie so far.

So yeah...

Rey Palpatine? **** off, lol.

That's on par with Snoke being Tarkin, Vader or Mace Windu.

Rey Palpatine disturbs me on a very personal level. I don't even want to articulate anything about it even if it is to mock the concept. I mean, honestly, just establish him as the GOAT and then leave the character alone. Disney acting like Palpatine never existed beyond that much exposure would be the ideal scenario at this point.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The image is fine, you are the broken one here. uhuh That's just mean. I even tried it with a different browser.

I'm more disturbed the evidence they have for her being a Palpatine. She does stabbing moves like him. She has a similar accent. She's tempted by the dark side.

My mind is blown, and not in the right way.

Kill me pls.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
R1 is good, TFA is the worst SW movie so far.

So yeah... now, let's not exagerate. It was still better than TPM

One thing's for sure: ANH > TFA.

Originally posted by Total Warrior
now, let's not exagerate. It was still better than TPM

Nah, TPM at least had the Duel of Fates. TFA had nothing.

It had that helicopter shot to end the movie.

****ing shit. Which scummy ****er decided that would be a good idea?

Would have been better if it ended with Rey in space flying to dagobahAhch-To, and then maybe given Luke a solo close up clip.

https://i.stack.imgur.com/bznz4.jpg
How many times do I have to post this you ****ing retards?

As many times as you need Sinny, you'll get through this.

TFA needs more outdated CGI, political dialogue, a horrible child actor, every actor sounding dry and emotionless, and Gungans if it wants to compete with the masterpieces that are TPM and AOTC.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Nah, TPM at least had the Duel of Fates. TFA had nothing.


This.

Originally posted by carthage
TFA needs more outdated CGI,

What a dumb criticism saying an 18 year old movie has outdated effects.

Its a dumb criticism when it hinders enjoyment of the film because it looks like shit?

You're a dumbass, lol

Originally posted by carthage
Its a dumb criticism when it hinders enjoyment of the film because it looks like shit?

You're a dumbass, lol


It's an 18 year old movie you dummy, and you're complaining it looks outdated.

Hey guess what? ANH has outdated practical effects. Clearly that means ANH is shit

ANH aged better than TPM. Because it used practical effects.

Rogue One is better IMO. I liked TFA as a standalone, but I don't particularly like the direction it is taking Star Wars.

Originally posted by carthage
TFA needs more outdated CGI, political dialogue, a horrible child actor, every actor sounding dry and emotionless, and Gungans if it wants to compete with the masterpieces that are TPM and AOTC.

Indeed it lacks those, but makes up for it with a recycled script from ANH, a clearly PC cast, sacrifice of OT characters in clear favour of said PC cast, a shallow Palpatine-esque villain, a shallow Death Star ripoff, a comparatively lackluster score, the destruction of the New Republic government being glossed over in a couple of seconds, Rey being far more of a Mary Sue than Anakin or Luke ever were, and a helicopter shot to end the movie. And the setting was very poorly established, IMO, moreso than TPM.

Lmfao @ people losing enjoyment because the leads are a women and a black guy. It's called representation, and the fact that it bothers you is beyond me. I barely noticed.

For what it's worth, they didn't completely abandon practical effects in TPM like they did in AotC and RotS. There are some scenes that look real in TPM. TPM had plenty of shitty, goofy moments and the Gungans were a ****-up, but at least it attempted to be original. That's a huge, huge step-up from the HD, 3D re-release of ANH.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Lmfao @ people losing enjoyment because the leads are a women and a black guy.



If they make Finn queer, they're pushing an agenda tho

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Lmfao @ people losing enjoyment because the leads are a women and a black guy. It's called representation, and the fact that it bothers you is beyond me. I barely noticed.

I don't have problems with representation, and I support most of the left-leaning movements these days. I don't mind that the lead's a famel or black, just that they could've been less conspicuous about their leanings towards the PC movement. And maybe on it's own it wouldn't be noticeable, but it was definitely noticeable once they began to sacrifice the OT characters in favour of them. Leia going straight to hug Rey and ignoring Chewie after Han's death is what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Geistalt
If they make Finn queer, they're pushing an agenda tho They won't, hence the introduction of the Asian chick. They're trying to extinguish the FinnPoe shipping.

Anyways, I think someone confirmed that there will be a gay character in TLJ, really looking forward to the bitching if that turns out to be true.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
They won't, hence the introduction of the Asian chick. They're trying to extinguish the FinnPoe shipping.

Anyways, I think someone confirmed that there will be a gay character in TLJ, really looking forward to the bitching if that turns out to be true.

Nah, on it's own it might be a pile-on of PCness but it won't detract from the film itself. Maybe if they make Leia go straight to hugging him and ignore Luke then it'll be a problem.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I don't have problems with representation, and I support most of the left-leaning movements these days. I don't mind that the lead's a famel or black, just that they could've been less conspicuous about their leanings towards the PC movement. And maybe on it's own it wouldn't be noticeable, but it was definitely noticeable once they began to sacrifice the OT characters in favour of them. Leia going straight to hug Rey and ignoring Chewie after Han's death is what I'm talking about. Less conspicuous how? And they announced even before castings I believe that the sequel trilogy was going to focus more on the new characters and not the OT characters, since the ST is supposed to be "passing the torch". I'm 99% sure it had nothing to do with a liberal PC agenda. Also, IIRC, Leia hugging Rey was a mistake and Leia was actually supposed to hug Chewie, but I might be wrong on that.

As I said, Leia hugging Rey and ignoring Chewie is my main gripe. Just having newer characters and focusing on them is natural.

And maybe having a genuinely diverse cast instead of just a PC-favoured cast would help. They did have Poe, I guess. As I said, not too big of a gripe, but the Leia scene definitely stood out and costs the film some points. Sure it was a mistake, but that doesn't excuse it. That's simply going to be an unfavourable part of the comparison against TPM.

Actually, y'know what? I'd find it hilarious.

Just to illustrate what's wrong with that:

*lets black guy play a main character*

*makes him play a homosexual*

Actually, it's a double standard if he's straight.

Originally posted by SunRazer
As I said, Leia hugging Rey and ignoring Chewie is my main gripe. Just having newer characters and focusing on them is natural.

And maybe having a genuinely diverse cast instead of just a PC-favoured cast would help. They did have Poe, I guess. As I said, not too big of a gripe, but the Leia scene definitely stood out and costs the film some points. Sure it was a mistake, but that doesn't excuse it. That's simply going to be an unfavourable part of the comparison against TPM. I didn't like that scene either, but I don't really know how you're attributing that to it being PC rather than it being just a genuine mistake.

It was genuinely diverse, people of all different races and a relatively even spread of both males and females in it, kind of like they were trying to reflect the people of Earth, not some rural place in Kentucky. Like I said, the Leia-Rey thing was just a mistake and Leia was actually supposed to hug Chewie (IIRC), so it's not like they were actively trying to favor the "PC cast". TPM on the other hand was completely stale, everyone talked in the same monotone voice and had no personality. It's torture watching it.

They should just let him be an aromantic hero, like Luke.

There's nothing wrong with a diverse cast, but it seems disingenuous to me to suggest there isn't anything agenda based when in the SW celebration panel, Kathleen Kennedy said "Strong female character" so often that if you played a drinking game while watching it you'd die of alcohol poisoning, and a Rogue One writer said the empire was an evil white supremacist organization.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I didn't like that scene either, but I don't really know how you're attributing that to it being PC rather than it being just a genuine mistake.

It was genuinely diverse, people of all different races and a relatively even spread of both males and females in it, kind of like they were trying to reflect the people of Earth, not some rural place in Kentucky. Like I said, the Leia-Rey thing was just a mistake and Leia was actually supposed to hug Chewie (IIRC), so it's not like they were actively trying to favor the "PC cast". TPM on the other hand was completely stale, everyone talked in the same monotone voice and had no personality. It's torture watching it.

TPM's dialogue issues have been accounted for and are matched by TFA's rip-off script.

I'd rather have a rip-off script than a completely original yet dogshit one. TFA's script allows for an entertaining movie with good dialogue and acting, TPM's doesn't, really.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
a Rogue One writer said the empire was an evil white supremacist organization.

This probably bothered me more than any other thing frankly.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I'd rather have a rip-off script than a completely original yet dogshit one. Yeah; the Boonta race was garbage.

So was the disingenuous acting and killing off Maul's penis.

At least TFA had humor and action.

Originally posted by |King Joker|
I'd rather have a rip-off script than a completely original yet dogshit one. TFA's script allows for an entertaining movie with good dialogue and acting, TPM's doesn't, really.

It's passable because it's been so long since we've had a movie of the sort, and also because ANH itself was good. No doubt the actual script was better and felt more like Star Wars than TPM, but I definitely felt they were playing it way too safe. Maybe that's fair given the reception of the Prequels.

That being said, the rip-off spread to Snoke and Starkiller Base, which is a significant mark against the movie in my opinion. Palpatine in TPM was a significantly superior villain to Snoke, and there's nothing really comparable to Starkiller Base (but then again, they weren't going for a shallow Death Star in TPM). I also think that the glossing over of the destruction of the New Republic capital compounds my problems with Starkiller Base.

Originally posted by Geistalt
Yeah; the Boonta race was garbage.

Nah, that was fine.

Also enjoyed the uniqueness of the Gungans tbh, didn't use blasters or vehicles, but their own technology that they made and beasts.

Not using blasters or vehicles? The Ewoks? Apart from hijacking an AT-AT (which was really Chewie) they didn't do it either.

Yeah but the gungans had actual unique technology as opposed to the ewoks using sticks and rocks.

Fair enough on the new technology, but not using blasters and vehicles is nothing unique.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Not using blasters or vehicles? The Ewoks? Apart from hijacking an AT-AT (which was really Chewie) they didn't do it either.

Well as DMB said, the Gungans had unique technology, Ewoks did not, plus at least 1 Ewok did grab himself a blaster.

Edit: Didn't say not using blasters or vehicles was unique.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Well as DMB said, the Gungans had unique technology, Ewoks did not, plus at least 1 Ewok did grab himself a blaster. You DARE assume the Ewok's gendur?!

Originally posted by Geistalt
You DARE assume the Ewok's gendur?!

It was Flitchee, he was a male Ewok.

Was Rogue One really better than Kylo Ren's constant fvck-ups and temper tantrum(s)?


And all the Bond Villain Stupidity?


If so, I regret having voted for TFA.

Yeah. R1 had infinitely better villains. Vader shits on Kylo in every sense of the word, and the same can be said of Krennic & Hux and Tarkin & Snoke respectively.

Personally, I also enjoyed the protagonists a bit more. Then there's everything else. Better humour, better atmosphere, better dialogue, better ending; R1 did everything better, really. And of course the Death Star >>> Starkiller Base.

Although that alien torture thing in R1 was a bit weird and felt like an afterthought.

I think my gripes were more or less even with both movies tbh.

Good vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsIQa7sH5_Y

^ Got bored at "hi I'm Michael"

Not surprised, short attention span and low intellect are a common pair. uhuh

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Good vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsIQa7sH5_Y