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Tchalla doesn't have his suit

Bane wins if no suit for BP. With his suit T'Challa rocks him.

Bane dies.

Bane dies either way.

BP no suit = Bane dies fast
BP w/ suit = Bane dies faster

Originally posted by FrothByte
BP no suit = Bane dies fast
BP w/ suit = Bane dies faster


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Black Panther wins.

Really, everybody is giving T'Challa the win even without the suit? I havent watched that Batman flick in a long time but I thought Bane was more formidable than that.

Originally posted by tkitna
Really, everybody is giving T'Challa the win even without the suit? I havent watched that Batman flick in a long time but I thought Bane was more formidable than that.

Bane might be formidable for a street leveler, but he is quite simply not in Cap, Bucky and T'Challa's class. All three of them demonstrate feats of skill, strength and speed that put them way above peak human and solidly in the superhuman class.

Remember, T'Challa is still enhanced even without his suit, since he has access to the heart-shaped herb.

Yeah, Black Panther has explicitly been confirmed to be an enhanced individual, and was doing a pretty good job of holding his own against the Winter Soldier, even without his vibranium suit. Hell, he gave Bucky more trouble than all the regular humans combined, and arguably did better than even Cap did (who got overwhelmed, pushed back and tossed down an elevator shaft in about 15 seconds).

Bane should be considered enhanced too. No human should be able to no sell haymakers (one of the strongest type of punch) from Batman and hurt Batman throughout his armored cowl and body.

Bane loses.

Possibly

Originally posted by Dreampanther
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I guess it's possible that BP will be hit by a meteor, falling space debris, a plane or even lightning, but the chances of that happening are exceedingly small and not really worth mentioning.

Originally posted by Silent Master
I guess it's possible that BP will be hit by a meteor, falling space debris, a plane or even lightning, but the chances of that happening are exceedingly small and not really worth mentioning.

While not really related to the topic, the chances of that happening in the MCU is not as small as it would be in other settings.

Originally posted by tkitna
Really, everybody is giving T'Challa the win even without the suit? I havent watched that Batman flick in a long time but I thought Bane was more formidable than that.

Even without his suit, T'Challa was matching Winter Soldier. It seems he's every bit as strong without it, just not invulnerable and without claws. Still in a h2h match, Bane is nowhere near his stats.

Originally posted by h1a8
Bane should be considered enhanced too. No human should be able to no sell haymakers (one of the strongest type of punch) from Batman and hurt Batman throughout his armored cowl and body.

You mean the suit that Joker was hurting Batman through? And Batman's punches that couldn't knockout Joker or Ra's?

BP wins and rather easily. This isn't much of a contest.

T'Challa takes this without much effort...

Bane has no chance in hell to win...

Originally posted by FrothByte
You mean the suit that Joker was hurting Batman through? And Batman's punches that couldn't knockout Joker or Ra's? Batman casually koed a human with a flick. I don't recall Joker hitting Batman's armor and hurting Batman.

WS was getting hit by normal humans and normal humans was able to dodge his attacks. Also, WS failed to ko a human with an elbow to the face.

So Bane durability >>>Batman attack >>>>WS attack

Originally posted by h1a8
Batman casually koed a human with a flick. I don't recall Joker hitting Batman's armor and hurting Batman.

WS was getting hit by normal humans and normal humans was able to dodge his attacks. Also, WS failed to ko a human with an elbow to the face.

So Bane durability >>>Batman attack >>>>WS attack


Post the scene where Baleman ko'd a normal human and then failed to ko Bane.

Originally posted by h1a8
Batman casually koed a human with a flick. I don't recall Joker hitting Batman's armor and hurting Batman.

WS was getting hit by normal humans and normal humans was able to dodge his attacks. Also, WS failed to ko a human with an elbow to the face.

So Bane durability >>>Batman attack >>>>WS attack

Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5-phrSTIUs

While Joker utilizes an iron pipe, he also punched Batman quite a few times and Batman definitely didn't just tank those punches.

Elbow to the face? You mean the short elbow to the face WS hit Tony with? Guess you didn't see the straight right that followed. Weren't you the one who said not all hits are equal? Hypocrite much?

How bout you show me a normal human surviving a full powered hit from WS to the face?

In any case it's moot point. Batman doesn't hit anywhere near as strong as WS and he still managed to hurt Bane in their last fight.

What happened to H1's argument of using consistent "averages"? In both this and the Bane vs Winter Soldier thread, all he has referenced so far is a single backhand (which he only claimed, and never provided a clip for, and has now evolved into a "flick", even though multiple posters asked him to provide examples (plural) of the "several" peak-/superhuman feats he apparently had.

h1's idea of average is to take the highest feat for a character he likes and comparing it to the lowest feat of his opponent.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Elbow to the face? You mean the short elbow to the face WS hit Tony with? Guess you didn't see the straight right that followed. Weren't you the one who said not all hits are equal? Hypocrite much?

That's the thing that gets me. He repeatedly uses his "characters don't always hit with equal force. Power fluctuates from scene to scene" argument whenever characters like Winter Soldier or Captain America are being discussed (beyond the several times he says that in the Bane vs Winter Soldier thread, just look at the Cap vs Nite Owl/Rorschach thread), but then keeps trying to use one fodder striking feat as a representation of Batman's overall striking power, even though multiple people asked him to provide more feats, in the other thread. And then tries to accuse me of being a hypocrite by stating I said things that I didn't.

Black Panther f.ucking scared me with how fast and agile he was. He was solidly above Cap and Bucky, let alone Bane. T'Challa wins.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5-phrSTIUs

While Joker utilizes an iron pipe, he also punched Batman quite a few times and Batman definitely didn't just tank those punches.

Elbow to the face? You mean the short elbow to the face WS hit Tony with? Guess you didn't see the straight right that followed. Weren't you the one who said not all hits are equal? Hypocrite much?

How bout you show me a normal human surviving a full powered hit from WS to the face?

In any case it's moot point. Batman doesn't hit anywhere near as strong as WS and he still managed to hurt Bane in their last fight.

The last part doesn't really count since Bane was inna ton of pain.

Anyway, if H1 wants to go on about Winter Soldier's human arm strikes, he can go do it in the other thread. We're discussing T'Challa here, who pretty much shrugged off a full-powered punch from Winter Soldier's metal arm, to his chest, and then immediately went into pursuit.

Also, T'Challa tanked being in the explosion that killed his father and several other delegates, during the big meeting, in CA:CW. Again, without his suit protecting him.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The last part doesn't really count since Bane was inna ton of pain.

Which just highlights a glaring weakness/target Bane has on him. It's not like his mask weakness was removed in the OP.

h1 back at it again.

Originally posted by FrothByte
Here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5-phrSTIUs

While Joker utilizes an iron pipe, he also punched Batman quite a few times and Batman definitely didn't just tank those punches.

Elbow to the face? You mean the short elbow to the face WS hit Tony with? Guess you didn't see the straight right that followed. Weren't you the one who said not all hits are equal? Hypocrite much?

How bout you show me a normal human surviving a full powered hit from WS to the face?

In any case it's moot point. Batman doesn't hit anywhere near as strong as WS and he still managed to hurt Bane in their last fight. Post the timestamp where Joker hits Batman with fist and Batman doesn't tank it.

Hard elbow to the face and Tony doesn't get koed. The straight to the midsection didn't ko Tony either. It just sent him back. If WS was so strong then he should have killed or permanently injured Tony with either hit. Otherwise, he's only going to barely affect Bane with human arm.

Batman hit harder than WS when he koed a human with a flick to the face. But on average WS does strike harder, but not by a lot. Bane will be affected by WS. But not as much as you are thinking since Bane did no sell Batman's haymakers.

Originally posted by h1a8
Post the timestamp where Joker hits Batman with fist and Batman doesn't tank it.

Hard elbow to the face and Tony doesn't get koed. The straight to the midsection didn't ko Tony either. It just sent him back. If WS was so strong then he should have killed or permanently injured Tony with either hit. Otherwise, he's only going to barely affect Bane with human arm.

Batman hit harder than WS when he koed a human with a flick to the face. But on average WS does strike harder, but not by a lot. Bane will be affected by WS. But not as much as you are thinking since Bane did no sell Batman's haymakers.

Start at 0:22. And while you're at it, why don't you post a vid and timestamp of Batman KOing someone with a flick. Once you're done with that we'll continue this argument.

BP matched WS without his suit in Civil War. He demolishes Bane.