Originally posted by SunRazer
Fair enough. Ground quakes are pretty insubstantial, btw. How big was the hurricane?
"He kept pushing until a dark cloud toured out over Raxus Prime's hideous landscape, an artificial hurricane full of droid golems." - The Force Unleashed.
Substantial.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Where does he knock aside armies with gestures?
Here.
"Stepping out into the open air, he found himself facing another squad of troopers, two more of the Emperor's assassins, and no less than six Uggernaughts. Two transport balloons heavily weighted with supplies hung overhead, motors whirring to keep them on station, presumably waiting to land. Kota was nowhere in he seen. The apprentice bent his knees and adopted a fighting stance.
"Are you sure you want to do this?" he asked his gathered foes.
The answer came in the form of blasterfire from the troopers, a barrage from the Uggernaughts, and a combined charge from the two assassins. He whirled and leapt, filling the air with reflected energy. All thought ceased; his connection to the Force became deeper than it ever had been before. He moved with grace and pure reflex, ducking under saber-staff blows, hurling troopers bodily at their Ugnaught allies, tossing walkers off the dock, and even raining supplies from one of the balloons above.
The crew of the balloon bailed out in a small speeder. Seeing it abandoned gave him an idea. When his enemies regrouped for a second combined charge, he wrenched the balloon physically downward from the sky, crashing its entire weight down on them all-and then, when the petals of the explosion were at their peak, sweeping the entire mess off the dock with one cathartic flexure of telekinesis.
He stood in a tiny dome of clear space, exhaling pure energy, as the circle of burning debris rained down through Bespin's thin, cold air below. Triumph and satisfaction filled him like pure helium, buoying him upward." - The Force Unleashed.
Originally posted by SunRazer
The amp wasn't very considerable. That aside, Dooku was throwing the ships hard enough to reduce them to fragments on impact, and he was doing so very easily. Most of Galen's feats that you mentioned before aren't better.
And why do you not believe the amp to have been considerable?
As I said when taking into account that he was pre prime for most of them and Dooku was amped for his they are. And that's me allowing for your 215 meter ship speculation.
Originally posted by SunRazer
What's this in response to? The fact that Galen got his accolade as of the Kota fight? It's proof that "perfect" is being used very loosely, since Kota is nowhere near perfect as a swordsman. Not even Dooku, Yoda or Sidious are.
I think you're misunderstanding. I'm not claiming the quote is saying Galen can't make a mistake or that Kota in turn is around the level of somebody who can't make mistakes in combat but that they have nearly completely mastered the forms of lightsaber combat. What differentiates someone with that type of mastery and someone like Yoda or Dooku is how they employ this knowledge in combat. For that we look to the descriptions of their fights with other lightsaber combatants.
Originally posted by SunRazer
lol Ben's flat-out stated to have been slowed, been out of practice, and a mere shadow of what he was before. Yes, his standing was lowered - considerably. There's no way around it.
His power growth was never suggested to be anything substantial - it wasn't even noticeable to Vader, whereas Vader immediately sensed Ben's deteriorating in dueling. Your case has absolutely no basis.
Ben depreciated in skill sure and his aged body would slow him but his increased power makes for greater augmentation which, depending on the extent of his growth, would make up for those flaws. The quote noting that both Ben and Vader are mere shadows clearly references their physical forms given Vader was confirmed to have grown in power from when he was Anakin. It might refer to skill but I find that doubtful given there are multiple quotes talking about Vader's growth as a lightsaber combatant and his blending of multiple forms to overcome the weaknesses of the suit.
Why wasn't it noticeable to Vader? Because he didn't say anything about it? I find that to be a pretty lacking foundation for such an assumption tbh.
Originally posted by SunRazer
He's confirmed all of one time (the rest were his opinion, and he naturally views Anakin with disdain) to be more powerful than Anakin, and that's in a mastered sense, not a raw sense (which is what factors into dueling). Secondly, Vader's also confirmed to be lesser than Anakin in dueling, but I'm not interested in discussing Anakin with you again, lol.
Lmao. First off you dismissing Vader's opinion on his power level now and in the past is absolutely hilarious. Please don't tell me you've subscribed to the notion that Vader actually views himself as a separate being from his past self like Ant's been trying to tout. I honestly wouldn't be able to take you seriously if that's the case. The quote states that he's grown more experienced AND more powerful so while your opinion that it references mastery rather then power has been noted I fail to see why such an opinion constitutes evidence.
Originally posted by SunRazer
The novelization directly confirms that he managed to strike a nerve in Vader, with his intent being to undermine Vader's concentration. The actual dueling was repeatedly interrupted by Force attacks as well. It wasn't a genuine showing of skill advantage.
And there's nothing indicating that Vader's concentration has been undermined. The only outcome that's shown is negative for Galen. The shift occurs after Galen lets go of his hatred.
The section where Vader's guard was pierced by Galen and driven back didn't have any Force attacks.
Originally posted by SunRazer
But I've also learned not to debate you on TFU.
A wise decision.
Originally posted by SunRazer
This was all in response to Deronn, anyway. I'm waiting for his response.
Would you like me to acquiesce and allow this to be between you two?
transfer directly into her adapting to any other melee weapon(lightsaber included). I doubt she perfected any technique, but holistically it means she's a force to be reckoned with 'cause innate talent and sh!t...
