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First to ko....jungle environment

Beast as in the X-Men character?

If so... Spite thread vs Worf,and Chewie.

Yea the xmen char...y spite? Im curious what beast has done since iirc he's only been dominant once and it was ooc

Does he still look like a big horse faced cat ape thing?

Originally posted by Flyattractor
Does he still look like a big horse faced cat ape thing?

Horse face no. Cat thing yes. He evolved past ape years ago which is odd because cats are below big apes evolutionary wise...maybe he's devolving. Id put money on a tiger before id place bets on a big cat over a great ape...and reptiles stomp both

eh... its an X-comic. Way to soapy for me to every follow seriously. I just know Beast has way to high of Comic Bookey Feats for poor Chewie and especially BIG LOSER Worf to handle.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
eh... its an X-comic. Way to soapy for me to every follow seriously. I just know Beast has way to high of Comic Bookey Feats for poor Chewie and especially BIG LOSER Worf to handle.

Chewbacca is by no means weak. He's a char that def needs a respect thread. Same goes for Worf with his damage soak he's a beast. Although u wouldnt know that from TNG...he's better in DS9.

I will have to take your word for it.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
I will have to take your word for it. yeah, worf is a loser, but chewie has survived two separate galactic wars and is currently in the middle of a third and keep in mind that he was already a fully grown warrior during the clone wars (and is quite a bit older than Han and he was still killing dozens of highly trained stormtroopers in TFA). He's successfully avoided being killed by Vader on multiple occasions and if we bring up legends feats, then he killed a rancor in close combat while saving the life of an imperial defector. The guy's more of a beast than his opponent and he definitely drags his team to the victory.

A side note; something I have noticed whilst watching all the Stargate series, is how the POC is portrayed as the warrior 'brute' character. Teal'C, Ronan, Sgt Greer...Worf is obv Star Trek, but he fits the trope as well. Tyr Anasazi from Andromeda is another.

That said, I would give it to Beast. Not including the Legends feats (due to them being wiped out of canon), he still has more feats than Chewie.

Beast is well above either of them imo.

lol @ Worf being a loser though. The man was awesome in DS9.

Never understood how Beast (who wins) went from ape to cat. Bleh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Beast is well above either of them imo.

lol @ Worf being a loser though. The man was awesome in DS9. he might be physically above them, but he sucks as a fighter. Didn't he get stomped on by his much older and much less "evolved" self (dark beast).

Originally posted by deathslash
he might be physically above them, but he sucks as a fighter. Didn't he get stomped on by his much older and much less "evolved" self (dark beast).

He did well against Danger but that was OOC.On average he's lackluster. Im curious what feats people are drawing from that place him the winner. Ape Beast? Classic Hank? Cat beast sucks ass

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He did well against Danger but that was OOC.On average he's lackluster. Im curious what feats people are drawing from that place him the winner. Ape Beast? Classic Hank? Cat beast sucks ass yeah, I genuinely can't remember a single time that an unamped beast was impressive. Didn't he also lose to wolverine even though Logan's personality had been reverted to that of a child?

Originally posted by deathslash
yeah, I genuinely can't remember a single time that an unamped beast was impressive. Didn't he also lose to wolverine even though Logan's personality had been reverted to that of a child?

Same arc. It was during Astonishing iirc. Whedon was great at depicting the X-Men.

Originally posted by riv6672
Never understood how Beast (who wins) went from ape to cat. Bleh.

Mutants have more than one mutation, basically.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He did well against Danger but that was OOC.On average he's lackluster. Im curious what feats people are drawing from that place him the winner. Ape Beast? Classic Hank? Cat beast sucks ass

Wait. Are you saying we can't use feats from previous versions?

Originally posted by deathslash
he might be physically above them, but he sucks as a fighter. Didn't he get stomped on by his much older and much less "evolved" self (dark beast).

Which fight?

Originally posted by -Pr-



Wait. Are you saying we can't use feats from previous versions?




Any feats. Idc...id just like to see an argument for him other than stats. His stats are better than a ton of streets. I cant think of any hed take a majority against.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Any feats. Idc...id just like to see an argument for him other than stats. His stats are better than a ton of streets. I cant think of any hed take a majority against.

I wouldn't consider Chewbacca or Worf to be on the level of most streets though, unless Chewbacca has done some shit in the comics that's allowed here.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I wouldn't consider Chewbacca or Worf to be on the level of most streets though, unless Chewbacca has done some shit in the comics that's allowed here. chewie successfully killed an entire squad of stormtroopers and managed to escape when Vader tried to kill him, beat a fully prepped Dengar (one of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy) in a fist fight, survived two galactic wars, killed several armed trandoshan hunters with just his fists while he was still a teen, slaughtered dozens of the more highly trained stormtroopers in TFA, killed a rancor in close combat with a battle-axe, fought and barely managed to beat a solid bounty hunter that gave Obiwan Kenobi problems, and he's ripped the limbs off of battle droids and super battle droids. He might not be as agile as beast, but I'd say that he's at least stronger and that bowcaster of his is a menace.

Originally posted by deathslash
chewie successfully killed an entire squad of stormtroopers and managed to escape when Vader tried to kill him, beat a fully prepped Dengar (one of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy) in a fist fight, survived two galactic wars, killed several armed trandoshan hunters with just his fists while he was still a teen, slaughtered dozens of the more highly trained stormtroopers in TFA, killed a rancor in close combat with a battle-axe, fought and barely managed to beat a solid bounty hunter that gave Obiwan Kenobi problems, and he's ripped the limbs off of battle droids and super battle droids. He might not be as agile as beast, but I'd say that he's at least stronger and that bowcaster of his is a menace.

I only know Chewie from the movies and maybe one novel, so a lot of this isn't known to me (assuming it's even valid), but I have to ask what strength you'd put him at because Beast is in the multi-ton range.

Worf loses, but he is awesome because he helped set up one of the funniest moments in Trek history:

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Originally posted by -Pr-
I only know Chewie from the movies and maybe one novel, so a lot of this isn't known to me (assuming it's even valid), but I have to ask what strength you'd put him at because Beast is in the multi-ton range. definitely multi ton range. I like you to draw your own conclusions regarding his strength, so here's some feats.

Prevents a cave in by replacing the support beam with himself.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4985851-chewbacca+003-003.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4985849-chewbacca+003-004.jpg

Pushes a massive tree out of the ground. Note that chewie is somewhere around seven feet tall and then notice the size of the tree roots alone.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4985847-chewbacca+003-011.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4985843-chewbacca+003-013.jpg

Punches through a solid boulder while still he's not at his best and even makes a crater when he slams Black Krrsantan into the ground.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4994420-star+wars+%282015-%29+014-007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4994419-star+wars+%282015-%29+014-008.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4994412-star+wars+%282015-%29+014-017.jpg

Originally posted by deathslash
definitely multi ton range. I like you to draw your own conclusions regarding his strength, so here's some feats.

Prevents a cave in by replacing the support beam with himself.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4985851-chewbacca+003-003.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4985849-chewbacca+003-004.jpg

Pushes a massive tree out of the ground. Note that chewie is somewhere around seven feet tall and then notice the size of the tree roots alone.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4985847-chewbacca+003-011.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4985843-chewbacca+003-013.jpg

Punches through a solid boulder while still he's not at his best and even makes a crater when he slams Black Krrsantan into the ground.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4994420-star+wars+%282015-%29+014-007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4994419-star+wars+%282015-%29+014-008.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4994412-star+wars+%282015-%29+014-017.jpg

That's some impressive stuff.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's some impressive stuff. yeah, he had some really impressive feats before, but Disney is seriously playing up his strength and durability while giving him his previous level of intelligence. Again, I think that the team wins. Worf might be weaksauce in comparison to beast, but he can still serve as a viable distraction (he does have a blaster too) and chewie's bowcaster means that beast really has to close the gap and once he does (assuming that he can dodge that blaster fire without anything to jump off of/move around), he then has to deal with a trained Starfleet officer and a wookie veteran of multiple wars.

Originally posted by deathslash
yeah, he had some really impressive feats before, but Disney is seriously playing up his strength and durability while giving him his previous level of intelligence. Again, I think that the team wins. Worf might be weaksauce in comparison to beast, but he can still serve as a viable distraction (he does have a blaster too) and chewie's bowcaster means that beast really has to close the gap and once he does (assuming that he can dodge that blaster fire without anything to jump off of/move around), he then has to deal with a trained Starfleet officer and a wookie veteran of multiple wars.

Honestly, if it was the movies, I would say Beast steamrolls, but looking at the comics (what you've shown me at least), I wouldn't put it past the team to win.

isn't wookie a jungle/forest species? I hadn't seen all the movies or toons but I could maybe see chewie doing better in the fight too. maybe a high and low technique where chewie attacks from the treetops

Originally posted by staxamillion
isn't wookie a jungle/forest species? I hadn't seen all the movies or toons but I could maybe see chewie doing better in the fight too. maybe a high and low technique where chewie attacks from the treetops

From playing KOTOR I remember the wookie homeworld was a bunch of forests.

Originally posted by Surtur
From playing KOTOR I remember the wookie homeworld was a bunch of forests. yes, their planet is one giant forest and is also inhabited by creatures that can easily kill the unprepared and foolhardy.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
He did well against Danger but that was OOC.On average he's lackluster. Im curious what feats people are drawing from that place him the winner. Ape Beast? Classic Hank? Cat beast sucks ass

I take it you think Beast is above either individually to place them both against him then?

Originally posted by Delta1938
I take it you think Beast is above either individually to place them both against him then?

Physically yes. There's no denying that. Even if i were to highball the team they wouldn't match him feat wise. But Beast is physically above alot of chars...it's his skill or lack thereof that makes me think it's a fight.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Physically yes. There's no denying that. Even if i were to highball the team they wouldn't match him feat wise. But Beast is physically above alot of chars...it's his skill or lack thereof that makes me think it's a fight. and his best strength and durability feats are? He might be more agile, but I have doubts about those other two fields.

Originally posted by deathslash
and his best strength and durability feats are? He might be more agile, but I have doubts about those other two fields.

Knocking blob over is probably his best. But that was original xmen hank

Holy shit:

mJLmdLRUPtE

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Knocking blob over is probably his best. But that was original xmen hank original x-men Hank also lost to black panther iirc.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Horse face no. Cat thing yes. He evolved past ape years ago which is odd because cats are below big apes evolutionary wise...maybe he's devolving. Id put money on a tiger before id place bets on a big cat over a great ape...and reptiles stomp both

Cats are only below apes intelligence wise. Everything else, they stomp.

Cats >>>>> Any and all apes ever. Even Gigantopithecus.

Originally posted by Flyattractor
eh... its an X-comic. Way to soapy for me to every follow seriously. I just know Beast has way to high of Comic Bookey Feats for poor Chewie and especially BIG LOSER Worf to handle.

So I'm not the only one who can't stand X-soapyness.

That was actually one of my pet peeve's with Secret Wars I. Big reality altering villain, and Jan's more concerned with getting laid by their arch villain and then pretending he kidnapped her.

Plus fights, 'cause random fighting is edgy or something. (And seriously, does anybody recognize what actress the water sprite Enchantress is supposed to be modeled after? It's obvious they're making a reference to someone..)

Originally posted by deathslash
Punches through a solid boulder while still he's not at his best and even makes a crater when he slams Black Krrsantan into the ground.
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4994420-star+wars+%282015-%29+014-007.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4994419-star+wars+%282015-%29+014-008.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/8/80103/4994412-star+wars+%282015-%29+014-017.jpg I was just about to mention this, but I'm glad someone else already did.

That right there is an extremely uber strength/striking feat -- that boulder was huge, yet one punch from Chewie pulverized it.

Moreover, it was clear that a healthy Chewie > Black Krrsantan... And Krr is ridiculously strong in his own right.

Originally posted by cdtm
(And seriously, does anybody recognize what actress the water sprite Enchantress is supposed to be modeled after? It's obvious they're making a reference to someone..)

I don't. Who is it?

Originally posted by Delta1938
I don't. Who is it?

That's what I've been trying to figure out for years.

She has that really slim anarexic look that was becoming popular at the time, and at the end of her oracling she says "Can I go down the drain now?", which sounds like a jab at someone's career.

Originally posted by Galan007
I was just about to mention this, but I'm glad someone else already did.

That right there is an extremely uber strength/striking feat -- that boulder was huge, yet one punch from Chewie pulverized it.

Moreover, it was clear that a healthy Chewie > Black Krrsantan... And Krr is ridiculously strong in his own right. quick question, where was it stated or implied that krr is above chewie? Just wondering because I remember chewie beginning to beat on him until he pulled out some sort of energy knuckle weapon.

Maybe you misunderstood me..? Chewie IS stronger than Krrsantan.

Originally posted by Galan007
Maybe you misunderstood me..? Chewie IS stronger than Krrsantan. oops, read what you said the wrong way. Guess that's what three hours of sleep does to a person.

No worries.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Knocking blob over is probably his best. But that was original xmen hank
He's also done "ground pounds" and thrown a car iirc.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He's also done "ground pounds" and thrown a car iirc.

Yep.

And even if Chewie is stronger, strength in comics doesn't amount to much. That's why you get Spidey and Cap taking down double digit, and even triple digit multi tonners.

How is Chewies durability and speed/agility compare?

Think he'd make it through the Danger Room?

agility isn't close, obviously. i'd call their durability about even tbh. beast doesn't really have any great durability feats that i can think of, at least not off-hand. i'd say strength is close enough not to be a difference maker, but if hank is going all out chewie would have a tough time landing a solid shot. i think hank would take it in the end but it wouldn't be a sweep. worf is pretty clearly irrelevant unless he has a weapon of some sort.

Originally posted by cdtm
How is Chewies durability and speed/agility compare? Durability is likely a wash.

Speed/agility isn't even close -- Beast is far and away superior.

Beast is like at least 2x as strong as they are combined, faster and more agile by a huge margin and a better fighter

Chewy needs the gun

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Beast is like at least 2x as strong as they are combined, faster and more agile by a huge margin and a better fighter

Chewy needs the gun

You base wins/losses on stats only?

No but the stats here are lopsided in one direction, not to mention the amount of field experience in hand-to-hand combat.

A lot of his feats were in X-factor and other series outside of Uncanny

The ground pound

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_fr0_zpsmysiaowd.jpg

Beats Frenzy who was billed as routinely lifting 50 tons and had steel-hard skin like Luke Cage. He also shows how smart he is in close combat


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_fr1_zpsnpikioey.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_fr2_zps53hxtvi8.jpg

(Invokes ninja law)

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_h_zpstssebqls.jpg

Originally posted by cdtm
That's what I've been trying to figure out for years.

She has that really slim anarexic look that was becoming popular at the time, and at the end of her oracling she says "Can I go down the drain now?", which sounds like a jab at someone's career.

Ah, I misread you.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Beast is like at least 2x as strong as they are combined, faster and more agile by a huge margin and a better fighter

Chewy needs the gun you might want to have a look at chewie's strength feats on page two. This is definitely competitive. Also, original beast lost to black panther, cat beast lost to dark beast, and feral cat beast lost to a child mindset version of logan.Originally posted by psycho gundam
No but the stats here are lopsided in one direction, not to mention the amount of field experience in hand-to-hand combat. how does best have more experience in h2h? Chewie has been around since the clone wars and even when he was young, he was still capable of killing heavily armed trandoshan hunters with his bare hands. He's beaten down entire squads of stormtroopers with his bare hands, ripped the limbs off of multiple people and droids, fought several of the best bounty hunters and assassins in star wars and and still alive to tell the tale.

Originally posted by deathslash
you might want to have a look at chewie's strength feats on page two. This is definitely competitive. Also, original beast lost to black panther, cat beast lost to dark beast, and feral cat beast lost to a child mindset version of logan. how does best have more experience in h2h? Chewie has been around since the clone wars and even when he was young, he was still capable of killing heavily armed trandoshan hunters with his bare hands. He's beaten down entire squads of stormtroopers with his bare hands, ripped the limbs off of multiple people and droids, fought several of the best bounty hunters and assassins in star wars and and still alive to tell the tale.

When did Beast fight the child-mindset of Logan? A lucky stab isn't much of a fight, and in a feral state, any pain like that can make an animal scarper.

Originally posted by -Pr-
When did Beast fight the child-mindset of Logan? A lucky stab isn't much of a fight, and in a feral state, any pain like that can make an animal scarper. a loss is a loss and a character with crappy showings is still a character with crappy showings.

Chewie kills this mutie.

Originally posted by deathslash
a loss is a loss and a character with crappy showings is still a character with crappy showings.

Chewie kills this mutie.

An off-panel stab really counts for you?

Originally posted by -Pr-
An off-panel stab really counts for you? some of the best things to happen in comics have happened off panel (squirrel girl beating thanos, alpha flight dying ).

Originally posted by deathslash
some of the best things to happen in comics have happened off panel (squirrel girl beating thanos, alpha flight dying ).

Amusing as that is, it's hardly a fair assessment of Beast's capabilities.

Originally posted by deathslash
some of the best things to happen in comics have happened off panel (squirrel girl beating thanos, alpha flight dying ).

logan beating lobo.

Now we got TFA Deleted Content of Chewie ripping an arm off...

Chewie Gettin Hard Core!

Originally posted by leonidas
logan beating lobo.

http://www.funniestmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Funniest_Memes_my-client-has-no-further-comment-at-this-time_11219.jpeg

Originally posted by leonidas
logan beating lobo. Bueno raping kyle

Originally posted by deathslash
you might want to have a look at chewie's strength feats on page two. This is definitely competitive. Also, original beast lost to black panther, cat beast lost to dark beast, and feral cat beast lost to a child mindset version of logan. how does best have more experience in h2h? Chewie has been around since the clone wars and even when he was young, he was still capable of killing heavily armed trandoshan hunters with his bare hands. He's beaten down entire squads of stormtroopers with his bare hands, ripped the limbs off of multiple people and droids, fought several of the best bounty hunters and assassins in star wars and and still alive to tell the tale. All the guys you named would demolish Worf and Chewbacca at the same time

Beating Beast is actually a decent showing for a low meta/street character using hand-to-hand combat

He goes on more missions using just his physical strength in the field. He's been part of 3 superhero teams since 63' in publication history

Originally posted by psycho gundam
All the guys you named would demolish Worf and Chewbacca at the same time

Beating Beast is actually a decent showing for a low meta/street character using hand-to-hand combat

He goes on more missions using just his physical strength in the field. He's been part of 3 superhero teams since 63' in publication history so, still no comment on chewie preventing a cave in or pushing a tree that likely weighed about 50 tons?

Since when has being on multiple teams meant anything? Chewbacca has survived two different galaxy spanning civil wars.

Posted Beast taking down a person that can routinely lift 50 tons and is bulletproof without much effort.

Chewy did so with a gun. This is a fist fight

Originally posted by psycho gundam


The ground pound

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_fr0_zpsmysiaowd.jpg

Beats Frenzy who was billed as routinely lifting 50 tons and had steel-hard skin like Luke Cage. He also shows how smart he is in close combat


http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_fr1_zpsnpikioey.jpg
http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_fr2_zps53hxtvi8.jpg

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Posted Beast taking down a person that can routinely lift 50 tons and is bulletproof without much effort.

Chewy did so with a gun. This is a fist fight

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Posted Beast taking down a person that can routinely lift 50 tons and is bulletproof without much effort.

Chewy did so with a gun. This is a fist fight and he's also been taken down by far weaker characters.

Where was it said that this is a fist fight?

You kinda did here (for the most part)

Originally posted by deathslash
chewie successfully killed an entire squad of stormtroopers and managed to escape when Vader tried to kill him, beat a fully prepped Dengar (one of the best bounty hunters in the galaxy) in a fist fight, survived two galactic wars, killed several armed trandoshan hunters with just his fists while he was still a teen, slaughtered dozens of the more highly trained stormtroopers in TFA, killed a rancor in close combat with a battle-axe, fought and barely managed to beat a solid bounty hunter that gave Obiwan Kenobi problems, and he's ripped the limbs off of battle droids and super battle droids. He might not be as agile as beast, but I'd say that he's at least stronger and that bowcaster of his is a menace.

We both agree the gun makes it lopsided

No bowcaster/phaser. I considered giving Worf his blade though

Welp... that cures Beast's blue balls

#gottem

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11116/111169994/4136736-961485tumblrlne11zv6fo1qc3jnao1500.gif

beast and chewie tree fight it out and worf waits for the outcome.

do we have any feats of chewie actually fighting and swinging around? TBH I always thought that chewie was an evolved sloth race and slower moving relatively to a human. very smart tho

Bump

Have Chewie's odds improved?

Well, for one thing, some of Beast's feats posted (such as the Frenzy feat on this very page) are from the time when he was massively amped.

Expected better from Gundam and Pr.

Worf would anally penetrate both Chewbacca and Beast while making this face:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/eCs_5rKELdU/hqdefault.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Well, for one thing, some of Beast's feats posted (such as the Frenzy feat on this very page) are from the time when he was massively amped.

Expected better from Gundam and Pr. This thread was a weird moment in time when people believed Beast could win a fight