Wonder Woman vs. Gladiator h2h only

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Facee
This is h2h as a spectacle for the gods.

JBL
The Gods get to see WW get hit so hard that she call the police with her bra and cry assault.

bluewaterrider
Without heat vision or ice breath to worry about, Wonder Woman should take this; either quickly with a vital area or pressure point strike, or in a slightly longer match as Glads' confidence wanes when he finds himself not being able to put down a mere female despite using his best tactics.

EcstaticGrace
Glads is to fast.

JBL
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Without heat vision or ice breath to worry about, Wonder Woman should take this; either quickly with a vital area or pressure point strike, or in a slightly longer match as Glads' confidence wanes when he finds himself not being able to put down a mere female despite using his best tactics. She better worry about his fists up side her head. Gladiator does not care if she's male or female. He hits the same.

bluewaterrider
Not seeing it.

I'm thinking of

1. Gladiator versus Rogue
2. Gladiator versus Tarene
3. Gladiator versus Hulk
4. Superman versus Wonder Woman in WW #219
and
5. Gladiator versus Cannonball.

#s 1,2, and 5 tell me Gladiator is susceptible to people far below Diana's strength level, unless Tarene is a whole lot stronger than I'm giving her credit for (which MIGHT be the case, though I've never seen much in the way of strength feats for her).

#5 tells me Gladiator's confidence WILL drop if he tries and fails to outmuscle an opponent he underestimates.

http://actionagogo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/guthrie.gif


#4 tells me Diana can take a punch harder than anything I've ever seen Gladiator deliver

#4 also tells me Diana can deliver a wicked clap to the ears

#3 tells me such an attack would drop Gladiator even in THIN air; Wonder Woman doing such a maneuver on the ground should/would be "Game Over".

carver9
Not commenting on who wins this but...

Gladiator never fought Rogue.
What happened with Tarene? I thought that was more of a sneak attack on her end. Also, let's not forget about the power description that was said after this attack and how long it took Gladiator to recover from said attack.
It's Hulk. It's like calling the Avengers weak because Hulk has soloed them.
Good fight between Supes and Diana. She's a peer.
Gladiator toyed with Cannonball that entire fight. Gladiator decided to end it by punching him into the heart of the sun and Cannonball absorbed said punch and redirected that same power. Gladiator got up right after that attack. Not understanding why you brought that fight up.

carver9
Also, Gladiator confidence NEVER drops when he is fighting a peer. It drops when he knows that a weakling withstanding his attacks shouldn't happen. Example, the only time his confidence dropped was when Reed stood in one spot and tanked his attacks (due to Cap invisible shield) and Cannonball withstanding his attacks. People that he is far above. Please tell me of a time it dropped when he fought a peer?

bluewaterrider
Seems to have dropped a bit here, assuming, that is, that Glads was really telling the truth about being immovable...


http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/32689464_image.jpg

celeyhyga17
Carver about to go ham on dat @$$...

carver9
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Seems to have dropped a bit here, assuming, that is, that Glads was really telling the truth about being immovable...


http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/32689464_image.jpg

Alternate Gladiator and please post the rest of that fight. It was an even tussle and Thor was amped by Reed. Reed increased all of their speed to hyper speed and Gladiator was still able to pull a stalemate against Thor even though Thor was amped by speed and again, thats an alternate Gladiator since they had to go to the future.

golem370
He also lost to Masterson Thor and that when Eric was a rookie or full of self doubt.

carver9
Originally posted by golem370
He also lost to Masterson Thor and that when Eric was a rookie or full of self doubt.

He crushed Masterson Thor though. After having Masterson on the ground, he stood above him laughing (cocky). Masterson then see living lightning flying by and controlled living lightning using him to strike Gladiator from behind stunning him. Masterson then took advantage of an opportunity and started pounding on him.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by carver9
Not commenting on who wins this but...

Gladiator never fought Rogue.


http://m.imgur.com/rGC26ih?r

You may be right, as far as the comics go.
Rogue versus Gladiator was shown on the old X-Men cartoon of the 1990s, appearing during the saga of the Shiar versus Phoenix arc(s).
It was a re-telling of the original Shiar versus Phoenix arc of the 1980s, where Gladiator fought Colossus in Rogue's place. The action and setup and resolution of the fight is nearly identical in either case; my mind must have made the switch because it's been so long.

None of that really matters, though, either episode features a Marvel hero far weaker in strength than Diana herself. Even so, said Marvel hero is NEARLY able to score a win against Gladiator; at least to the point where the narrator tells us the outcome is in doubt and that freeing himself from the rubble of a building collapsed on the light gravity of the moon, made a significant tactical consideration in the fights in this arc, is "painful" for Glads.

carver9
Originally posted by carver9
He crushed Masterson Thor though. After having Masterson on the ground, he stood above him laughing (cocky). Masterson then see living lightning flying by and controlled living lightning using him to strike Gladiator from behind stunning him. Masterson then took advantage of an opportunity and started pounding on him.

Here is the entire fight...

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/thor_445-10.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/thor_445-11.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/thor_445-12.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/thor_445-13.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/thor_445-14.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/thor_445-16.jpg

Masterson got crushed in this fight and only gained the advantage here, when he controlled living lightning. He even tells us it feels like every bone in his body was broken. If Gladiator pressed his attack, Masterson would've died...

https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/thor_445-17.jpg
https://lowbrowcomics.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/thor_445-18.jpg

golem370
Originally posted by carver9
He crushed Masterson Thor though. After having Masterson on the ground, he stood above him laughing (cocky). Masterson then see living lightning flying by and controlled living lightning using him to strike Gladiator from behind stunning him. Masterson then took advantage of an opportunity and started pounding on him.


If he did the same with Wonder Woman she would also advantage of that lapse in judgement too. In the pic you posted Gladiator tackled Thor from behind.

carver9
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
http://m.imgur.com/rGC26ih?r

You may be right, as far as the comics go.
Rogue versus Gladiator was shown on the old X-Men cartoon of the 1990s, appearing during the saga of the Shiar versus Phoenix arc(s).
It was a re-telling of the original Shiar versus Phoenix arc of the 1980s, where Gladiator fought Colossus in Rogue's place. The action and setup and resolution of the fight is nearly identical in either case; my mind must have made the switch because it's been so long.

None of that really matters, though, either episode features a Marvel hero far weaker in strength than Diana herself. Even so, said Marvel hero is NEARLY able to score a win against Gladiator; at least to the point where the narrator tells us the outcome is in doubt and that freeing himself from the rubble of a building collapsed on the light gravity of the moon, made a significant tactical consideration in the fights in this arc, is "painful" for Glads.

I'm not rooting for anyone here. I just wanted to point out that the examples you used above wasn't legit, especially him losing confidence. You keep bringing up his wins or him dominating opponents as evidence...to try and downplay the character. I'm sure if I posted Diana fight against Deathstroke you wouldn't be happy about it or her being shot through by bullets. Please be fair here. The winner, I don't mind, but let's at least be honest about Gladiator showings.

carver9
Originally posted by golem370
If he did the same with Wonder Woman she would also advantage of that lapse in judgement too.

Not denying that but he overpowered Masterson throughout that entire fight so using it is irrelevant unless you are admitting Gladiator would treat Diana like fodder?

zopzop
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Seems to have dropped a bit here, assuming, that is, that Glads was really telling the truth about being immovable...






http://s6d5.turboimg.net/t1/32689464_image.jpg
Like Carver said, Alt Reality Gladiator AND there was more :
a) Thor and crew had Reed tech that allowed them to move a ultra speed. Gladiator saw them and was able to interact them.
b) Prior to the fight with Thor, Gladiator had been on a months or years long mission for the Shi'ar emperor. He admitted he was exhausted and was looking forward to some rest.
Originally posted by golem370
He also lost to Masterson Thor and that when Eric was a rookie or full of self doubt.
He had Masterson Thor dead to rights before he just stood there like a moron grining. This is also just after he destroyed Wonder Man in a fight.

golem370
I am saying Gladiator had a tough fight with a less then confident Thor where Wonder Woman is am experieced fighter. I don't have a dog in the fight just posting the fact that Gladiator has had trouble with an inexperienced fighter.

carver9
Originally posted by golem370
I am saying Gladiator had a tough fight with a less then confident Thor where Wonder Woman is am experieced fighter. I don't have a dog in the fight just posting the fact that Gladiator has had trouble with an inexperienced fighter.

Are you looking at the fight above? I posted the scans for you and if you think Diana would just run through Masterson then I don't know what to tell you.

golem370
Carver listen to what I am writing Gladiator got beat by a rookie verson of Thor where WW is a highly skilled fighter so that is why I think she might get Gladiator.

carver9
Originally posted by golem370
Carver listen to what I am writing Gladiator got beat by a rookie verson of Thor where WW is a highly skilled fighter so that is why I think she might get Gladiator.

Sigh. Please read this. Masterson got one solid lick off of Gladiator. One. I'm not counting the sneak attack in the beginning that he admitted too or the blast Gladiator allowed to bounce off his chest. He got one lick and that was the head slam. Gladiator had full control of that Battle and stood over him laughing. Thor then controlled a PLOT; living lightning that so happened to be flying by during his battle against Gladiator. This doesn't even include the fact that Gladiator faced other avengers before fighting Thor. I'm begging you to look at the scans carefully. That's all I'm asking. Batman defeated Wonder Woman while she had the JLA backing her. If I brought this up and posted the scans, would you accept it as evidence of Gladiator crushing her?

golem370
I have the book so you are not showing me anything. I have my opinions and you have yours.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by carver9

Batman defeated Wonder Woman while she had the JLA backing her. If I brought this up and posted the scans, would you accept it as evidence of Gladiator crushing her?


Don't know about anybody else; I'd accept it as evidence Bruce could take down Gladiator if Glads don't know he needed to take Bruce seriously.

After seeing what he recently did to Lobo, I'm not joking about that, either:

http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32689781_image.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32689782_image.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32689783_image.jpg

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by carver9
Not commenting on who wins this but...

Gladiator never fought Rogue.



Probably the other reason I'm remembering Rogue is that she encountered KID Gladiator in a relatively recent adventure.

I'd be very interested to know to what extent Rogue's assessment is true, by the way -- if Kid Gladiator really DOES have the same power as his father to even remotely comparable levels, then Kid Gladiator's performance against Warbird doesn't bode well for how Gladiator Sr. would do against someone far stronger than Warbird ...

http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32692633_image.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32692634_image.jpg

leonidas
ww in the end. she is more skilled. strength is a non-factor, durability is close. straight h2h she would have an edge. she wouldn't sweep i don't think but maybe 7/10.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by carver9
I'm sure if I posted Diana fight against Deathstroke you wouldn't be happy about it or her being shot through by bullets. Please be fair here. The winner, I don't mind, but let's at least be honest about Gladiator showings.

Deathstroke or bullet showings actually wouldn't bother me that much.
Diana seems to have effectively evolved past that level of vulnerability, to the point her flexed body seems capable of breaking a serpent god's teeth if they violently slam against her -- even with the force of a train behind her:

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/32692647_image.jpg

carver9
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Probably the other reason I'm remembering Rogue is that she encountered KID Gladiator in a relatively recent adventure.

I'd be very interested to know to what extent Rogue's assessment is true, by the way -- if Kid Gladiator really DOES have the same power as his father to even remotely comparable levels, then Kid Gladiator's performance against Warbird doesn't bode well for how Gladiator Sr. would do against someone far stronger than Warbird ...

http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32692633_image.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32692634_image.jpg

Kid Gladiator and Gladiator are not comparable at all. Gladiator went through the Gladiator treatment (that usually kills his kind. He's the only survivor) whereas his son is a regular strotian. Did you read the Gladiator story that explains why he is more powerful than the rest of his race?

carver9
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Deathstroke or bullet showings actually wouldn't bother me that much.
Diana seems to have effectively evolved past that level of vulnerability, to the point her flexed body seems capable of breaking a serpent god's teeth if they violently slam against her -- even with the force of a train behind her:

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/32692647_image.jpg

Different serpents.

carver9
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Don't know about anybody else; I'd accept it as evidence Bruce could take down Gladiator if Glads don't know he needed to take Bruce seriously.

After seeing what he recently did to Lobo, I'm not joking about that, either:

http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32689781_image.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32689782_image.jpg http://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/32689783_image.jpg

Sigh. Gladiator would kill Batman instantly. You can't compare Gladiator to Diana and Superman. Gladiator would kill him during the onset of the fight.

tkitna
I think its a very good fight. I'm going with Glads 6/10 if its just purely H2H.

quanchi112
Gladiator, 10/10.

deathslash
Slight edge to gladiator

carver9
Gladiator going through the the Gladiator treatment...

http://m.imgur.com/fhDoWy8?r

This is Gladiator before going through the treatment.

http://m.imgur.com/oS3jNT1?r

Zack M
Diana with or without gear would win.

carver9
Originally posted by Zack M
Diana with or without gear would win.

What Marvel Herald could beat them iyo?

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by carver9
Kid Gladiator and Gladiator are not comparable at all. Gladiator went through the Gladiator treatment (that usually kills his kind. He's the only survivor) whereas his son is a regular strotian. Did you read the Gladiator story that explains why he is more powerful than the rest of his race?


Nope. Never read that story. From the look of the artwork of your scans it seems to be fairly recent retcon history.

Originally posted by carver9
Gladiator going through the the Gladiator treatment...

http://m.imgur.com/fhDoWy8?r

This is Gladiator before going through the treatment.

http://m.imgur.com/oS3jNT1?r

This is not impressive to me, but I thank you for providing scans to back up your claims just the same.

JBL
Strength a non-factor.lol. durability about the same. Lol. I would love to see WW destroy a planet or fly through a Star. Gladiator 10/10. The guy is highly skilled in combat.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by JBL
Strength a non-factor.lol. durability about the same. Lol. I would love to see WW destroy a planet or fly through a Star. Gladiator 10/10. The guy is highly skilled in combat.

She's honestly the only established character I've seen get scaled off other characters consistently on the Battleforums.

"Oh Superman moved the Earth did he?? I guess this means Diana can do it to."

Honestly doesn't fly for other characters with her amount of showings.

-Pr-
In pure h2h, he really should beat her, imo. His stats in general should be ahead of hers.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by carver9

What happened with Tarene? I thought that was more of a sneak attack on her end. Also, let's not forget about the power description that was said after this attack and how long it took Gladiator to recover from said attack.


The attack that you're thinking of came well after the actual hand-to-hand/physical engagement Tarene had with Gladiator. Yes, THAT attack was an energy attack and arguably more than a little unfair, and of a power level that impressed even Thor.

However, Tarene didn't display anything of that sort for the first engagement, which by definition of this being a hand to hand battle would disqualify such sparking maneuvers.

No, Tarene fought instead like the admiring rookie cosplaying fan of Thor she was throughout much of this arc, "Designate" or not:


http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701307_image.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701308_image.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701309_image.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701310_image.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701312_image.jpg

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by carver9


Please be fair here. The winner, I don't mind, but let's at least be honest about Gladiator showings.



There's no attempt at dishonesty on my part here. I'm going by what I've seen, remember, have in my collection for Gladiator, and/or have found online.

Very little of it, save seeing Gladiator BFR Juggernaut on the 1990s X-Men cartoon, has impressed me till now. In the comics now I've seen Gladiator BARELY eke out a win over Colossus, apparently nearly knocked out by the collapse of a building on the pointedly mentioned light gravity of the moon, punked by Hulk, humbled by Odinson, and knocked out by Eric Masterson.

I can really only think of 3 good showings from him.

One is his handling of Jane Thor so far, suspect because Jane's been depicted far superior to, say, Tarene the Designate, who seems to have been operating at fractional power as Thor Girl and had, what? 2 fights under her belt before she fought Gladiator?

The 2nd one is his recent one-shotting of Thanos.
Not going to go into that; I like you and am not interested in giving you any of the flak others have regarding that.

The last showing, however, predates the first 2 and I DO find it rather impressive, though not, perhaps, as much as I might or would if I knew exactly when and where it was from. It's the following showing against Hyperion:

http://s6d2.turboimg.net/t1/32703383_image.jpg


Nearly all consideration for a Gladiator win comes from seeing the above in some long ago fight I've forgotten. Hyperion is a tough s.ob., and has been from the earliest days I can remember seeing him. ALMOST overrides the impression I've gained of Gladiator from the OTHER half dozen or so fights ...

DarkSaint85
Interestingly, Jane Thor did really well against a speedblitz sneak attack from Glads. Note how he attempts to blitz her from behind...

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-U7J7IQ5jpvM/WHZZhrDdqjI/AAAAAAABiSI/gvH8xxuItZgu6T_gPdeCFowabrfn9_sTwCLcB/s1600/38_15.jpg

bluewaterrider
Indeed. And I must say that Jane Thor is a virtual vampire in terms of how willing she is to shed blood or even use lethal force on her opponents.
Jane Thor I could see creating all those clones you're talking about in the Lobo versus WWH thread. World War Hulk himself, though? I just don't see it.

It's worth mentioning that Marvel generally treats Gladiator's heat vision as something absolutely devastating to endure. Tarene is left flat on her back and aflame, Jane reacts as if Kuurth's hammer hit her, and poor Hulk is hurt so bad his internal organs become visible. I might give different odds if Gladiator's "lasercam" was an option here ...

Lastly, inasmuch as I don't think she invested much in her physicality due to a watertower taking her out, in the interest of complete fairness, I WILL note that I've seen ONE apparent hint of Tarene having significant strength:

http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32703694_image.jpg

JBL
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Interestingly, Jane Thor did really well against a speedblitz sneak attack from Glads. Note how he attempts to blitz her from behind...

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-U7J7IQ5jpvM/WHZZhrDdqjI/AAAAAAABiSI/gvH8xxuItZgu6T_gPdeCFowabrfn9_sTwCLcB/s1600/38_15.jpg That was not a speed blitz. He speed blitzed the rainbow bridge guardian.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by JBL
That was not a speed blitz. He speed blitzed the rainbow bridge guardian.

Heimdall is his name.

Ok, he flew slowly towards her with arms outstretched during a fight...

You even see the blurs of the dust in the air..

TethAdamTheRock
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Delta1938
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
The attack that you're thinking of came well after the actual hand-to-hand/physical engagement Tarene had with Gladiator. Yes, THAT attack was an energy attack and arguably more than a little unfair, and of a power level that impressed even Thor.

However, Tarene didn't display anything of that sort for the first engagement, which by definition of this being a hand to hand battle would disqualify such sparking maneuvers.

No, Tarene fought instead like the admiring rookie cosplaying fan of Thor she was throughout much of this arc, "Designate" or not:


http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701307_image.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701308_image.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701309_image.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701310_image.jpg http://s6d1.turboimg.net/t1/32701312_image.jpg

From now on, I expect no protest from you whatsoever when I use Superman breaking Wonder Woman's bracelet.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by Delta1938
From now on, I expect no protest from you whatsoever when I use Superman breaking Wonder Woman's bracelet.

confused

All right I'm too curious NOT to ask --

What in the world do you think Tarene fighting Gladiator has to do with the durability of Wonder Woman's bracelets?

Delta1938
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
confused

All right I'm too curious NOT to ask --

What in the world do you think Tarene fighting Gladiator has to do with the durability of Wonder Woman's bracelets?

You showed a fight of an alternate universe Gladiator. So you arguing ABSOLUTE POWER is not canon would be contradicting yourself.

JBL
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Heimdall is his name.

Ok, he flew slowly towards her with arms outstretched during a fight...

You even see the blurs of the dust in the air.. look at how he blitzed heimdall and then look at how he flew towards Jane Thor.

DarkSaint85
It wasn't a sedate cruise on the countryside when he flew at Jane.

Was it as fast as when he flew at Heimdall? Never said it was.

But even a Ferrari, far slower than Gladiator, is capable of moving fast at 150mph, AND 90mph.

bluewaterrider
Originally posted by Delta1938
You showed a fight of an alternate universe Gladiator. So you arguing ABSOLUTE POWER is not canon would be contradicting yourself.


This doesn't follow. You're talking specifically about the equipment of a particular costume. Given the kind of force we've seen the bracelets of her STANDARD costume take, often from Superman himself, in enraged states (the Superman/Doomsday transformation of Circe first comes to mind), coupled with extremely high end showings (like withstanding the combined force of her Pantheon of gods blasting away at her), it makes VERY little sense to assume Wonder Woman, in an entirely visually DIFFERENT costume, with an obviously different history, has the same equipment, or even equipment of remotely similar durability.

And I'm not nearly so concerned with story narrative as I am with the abilities and properties and behavior of a character being relatively consistent and reliable. Loeb's "Absolute Power" version of Diana fails on almost every level.

Delta1938
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
This doesn't follow. You're talking specifically about the equipment of a particular costume. Given the kind of force we've seen the bracelets of her STANDARD costume take, often from Superman himself, in enraged states (the Superman/Doomsday transformation of Circe first comes to mind), coupled with extremely high end showings (like withstanding the combined force of her Pantheon of gods blasting away at her), it makes VERY little sense to assume Wonder Woman, in an entirely visually DIFFERENT costume, with an obviously different history, has the same equipment, or even equipment of remotely similar durability.

And I'm not nearly so concerned with story narrative as I am with the abilities and properties and behavior of a character being relatively consistent and reliable. Loeb's "Absolute Power" version of Diana fails on almost every level.

So the same sort of mental gymnastics you do to argue that Supergirl was somehow made "less powerful" at one point to disregard Superman>Supergirl(which the comics don't actually back up).

Also worth noting, Superman's high-end puts the bracelets taking the combined pantheon blast to shame.

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