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Can anyone do it the same way Flash did?

What speed was that

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What speed was that http://i.imgur.com/bQVYoiB.gif

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But on a serious note, this thread won't go anywhere unless a quantifiable speed is chosen.

Or did he mean Tokyo? Flash said he could clear it in a couple of seconds or something IIRC.

Edit: It was 30.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What speed was that


lmfao shut his ass down immediately

Let's go with the calculated speed which is far far faster than light.

Originally posted by -Pr-
http://i.imgur.com/bQVYoiB.gif

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But on a serious note, this thread won't go anywhere unless a quantifiable speed is chosen.

I just posted on another thread. He evacuated a city of 500,000 people, carrying the people in ones and twos to a location 35 miles away, while a nuclear weapon was detonating ...in 0.00001 of a microsecond. Considering a microsecond is a millionth of a second, he did it in 0.00001 of a millionth of a second.

Considering distance, and that he had to do that trip multiple times back and forth (each trip being 35 miles x2 times the number of people he's carrying depending whether it is ones or twos), it was calculated he was traveling between 9 to 13 trillion times the speed of light.

Originally posted by JBL
Let's go with the calculated speed which is far far faster than light.

Yeah,no one is doing that at that speed or faster.

You'd have to use some kind of amalgam. Blink or Magik, with incredible reflexes or something.

Maybe Strange, with a time stop.

But pure speed? Physically travelling in and out? Nobody.

Even if someone would try, the humans would die during the attempt. Either from the being accelerated from 0 to xxxxx time ftl or because of the one being not fast enough.

Easy answer as to who could do what Wally did is Barry, but the best answer is:

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah,no one is doing that at that speed or faster.

You'd have to use some kind of amalgam. Blink or Magik, with incredible reflexes or something.

Maybe Strange, with a time stop.

But pure speed? Physically travelling in and out? Nobody.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Even if someone would try, the humans would die during the attempt. Either from the being accelerated from 0 to xxxxx time ftl or because of the one being not fast enough.

Exactly, and that is what makes the Flashes unique. The speed force enables them to effectively use their high speeds in a manner that other superfast characters (like the Surfer and Superman) are unable to. There might be other characters that can travel at similar velocities, but the speed would be primarily limited to travel and/or combat. The speed force enables Flashes to use speed to do much more.

Runner with the space gem, if that would count.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Exactly, and that is what makes the Flashes unique. The speed force enables them to effectively use their high speeds in a manner that other superfast characters (like the Surfer and Superman) are unable to. There might be other characters that can travel at similar velocities, but the speed would be primarily limited to travel and/or combat. The speed force enables Flashes to use speed to do much more.

What can the speed force do....that the power cosmic can't?

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Runner with the space gem, if that would count.

Superman rebuilding metropolis in like 10 seconds is arguably a better feat.

As is Barry's krypton time period building feat in an eyeblink.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What can the speed force do....that the power cosmic can't?
Make its wielder able to evacuate a city of 500,000 people, carrying the people in ones and twos to a location 35 miles away, while a nuclear weapon is detonating ...in 0.00001 of a microsecond.

Heeeeheeee

^^^Thought i'd go the whole morning without a Zing.

Originally posted by Insane Titan
Runner with the space gem, if that would count.
Probably doesn't, as it messes with space.

haha

Originally posted by CosmicComet
As is Barry's krypton time period building feat in an eyeblink. I'd say that's on par, at least - I mean, entire buildings were constructed in fractions of time. He replicated reality warping with pure speed, which is insane.

http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supermanbarrywarping2.jpg.html
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/supermanbarrywarping3.jpg.html

Worth noting is that Superman sped up and entered that level of speed, too

As for the thread:

Zoom (Hunter)
Professor Zoom
Superman

And that's about it, really.

IIRC, Golden Age Superman also built an underground city in a single panel from scratch.

And as we saw, Pre-Flashpoint and Golden Age Supes were roughly equal.

Gladiator

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Even if someone would try, the humans would die during the attempt. Either from the being accelerated from 0 to xxxxx time ftl or because of the one being not fast enough. Well let's just say the people could withstand the speed.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Superman rebuilding metropolis in like 10 seconds is arguably a better feat.


Where'd this happen?

Originally posted by CosmicComet
IIRC, Golden Age Superman also built an underground city in a single panel from scratch.

And as we saw, Pre-Flashpoint and Golden Age Supes were roughly equal. Little known fact, but Golden Age Superman was already light speed by the time Action Comics #5 hit.

It's amusing to go around the internet, and see how few people have actually read those comics.

I would think the runner with the spacegem, sunamped superman, mind controlled gladiator, Zoom etc. Feel free to add or subtract.

Got the scans? Would be interesting how it compares!

Edit:just saw you don't have them.

It would have to be pretty insane, though. I don't think you realise how short 0.00001 microseconds is.

Originally posted by JBL
Can anyone do it the same way Flash did?

Anyone who can move at exactly the speed of light of course.

Read properly, Surtur.

*Reads quietly*

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Got the scans? Would be interesting how it compares!

Edit:just saw you don't have them.

It would have to be pretty insane, though. I don't think you realise how short 0.00001 microseconds is.

That's equivalent to 10 picoseconds. Which would make 1 second feel like roughly 3,200 years in comparison iirc.

By sheer complexity and size radius of the feat, it should handily beat Wally's far more simple (relatively at least), feat.

I try to imagine; if you had a man with super strength, flight, heat and cold powers on demand, architectural and electrical expertise, but travel and reflex speed no greater than a normal human's, how long would it take him to build one city?

Some cities can have over a million buildings. And with someone with all of the above powers, yet no superspeed --at all--, I imagine even one large building would probably take centuries to make.

So compress all of those hundreds of thousands, maybe even hundreds of millions of years worth of work, down to seconds.

Originally posted by riv6672
Make its wielder able to evacuate a city of 500,000 people, carrying the people in ones and twos to a location 35 miles away, while a nuclear weapon is detonating ...in 0.00001 of a microsecond.




You're beneath me riv. Keep that troll shit to yourself.

Originally posted by Surtur
Anyone who can move at exactly the speed of light of course.

Also, as DS pointed out in another thread, it would have taken like 95 seconds to complete the feat if moving at 99% lightspeed.

Which would make that far too slow, thats nearing 2 minutes. Everyone would have been ash by that time.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's equivalent to 10 picoseconds. Which would make 1 second feel like roughly 3,200 years in comparison iirc.

By sheer complexity and size radius of the feat, it should handily beat Wally's far more simple (relatively at least), feat.

I try to imagine; if you had a man with super strength, flight, heat and cold powers on demand, architectural and electrical expertise, but travel and reflex speed no greater than a normal human's, how long would it take him to build one city?

Some cities can have over a million buildings. And with someone with all of the above powers, yet no superspeed --at all--, I imagine even one large building would probably take centuries to make.

So compress all of those hundreds of thousands, maybe even hundreds of millions of years worth of work, down to seconds.

In 10 picoseconds, he was travelling all over the city (104 square miles), searching entire buildings, and carrying them one or two at a time 35 miles away, then back again.

A large building wouldn't take centuries to build. Super strength would help a lot.

Super strength doesn't help with the fact that your arms are still human spanned, so you can't hold too much regardless of your strength.

That, and you'd have to collect materials to build as well, which isn't just lying around conveniently.

And then you'd have to wire the buildings, make glass panes, do the actual sculpting and contouring and painting etc, you know, detail work that super strength won't really aid you in getting things done faster.

That is a shit ton of work.

On the other hand, Flash would have found thousands of those 500,000 people simply on the streets at the same time, so he could get a large chunk of his work done before he had to do any hard searching.

He'd still have to search.....just in case he missed someone. It's not like he had a registry of Koreans.

Tbh, I guess I'd have to see the feat before passing judgement. It sounds pretty awesome, to be sure.

Love cosmic. I just want to point out that Superman was under a Blue Sun when he built that city...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120432/5031368-6497609549-60131.jpg

It tells us here that the Blue Sun enhance powers. Hell, it even gives new powers.

http://s27.photobucket.com/user/mars_central/media/superheroes/bluesun.jpg.html

His vision powers even did this.. gave pa Superman like power.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601311-action_856_36_super.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601460-08_super.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601461-09_super.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601462-10_super.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601463-11_super.jpg

He probably didn't even build that city using speed, strength etc...he probably used a new power.

He was amped. It's still better than Flash ft though.

https://68.media.tumblr.com/eb63c565c6ad51f7f03c9970207887e9/tumblr_oki2t1UNC01v5floko1_400.gif
https://68.media.tumblr.com/171606a0e637e56b112bb13cce6e39b9/tumblr_oki2uc0gqx1v5floko1_400.gif

Lol did carver just phuck scans up???

Thanks Sin. Not sure how large the city was, but its a good feat.

Firstly, Carver, that is not the feat me and DS are talking about. We are talking about a Golden Age feat.


Secondly, you talk as if I didn't already correct you on all of that before.

Supes was not amped at all.

The only thing the blue sun did was give him a new vision power. That's all it was shown to do. Afterall, even after being exposed to it he still needed Pa's help to get back to his feet, as you can see. So where is this physical amp that you like to imagine?

That and Bizarro was exposed to it before Supes was and no mention of a physical amp for his stats came from anyone. All he got was a new vision power as well.

If there was any amp at all, it was so small that it wasn't even worth mentioning since they didn't.

If you'd like, just cut the time of the feat in half. You can say his speed was doubled, even though that was absolutely not implied anywhere.




http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1644852-cityta4.jpg

Also, no one cares about your fan-fiction powers. As the scan shows, only super-speed was used.

Not some new 'repair buildings on command' power or something.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
https://68.media.tumblr.com/eb63c565c6ad51f7f03c9970207887e9/tumblr_oki2t1UNC01v5floko1_400.gif
https://68.media.tumblr.com/171606a0e637e56b112bb13cce6e39b9/tumblr_oki2uc0gqx1v5floko1_400.gif

Thank you for doing the work for my lazy ass

Surfer

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Lol did carver just phuck scans up???

Thanks Sin. Not sure how large the city was, but its a good feat.

Carvers just being Carver.

Its not really quantifiable. Scant seconds could mean 2 or 3 or 10. Still imo better than flash evac feat which isnt even that awesome compared to flashes other speed feats.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Thank you for doing the work for my lazy ass

Golden Age was the shit. Everyone was at base planetary.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
That's equivalent to 10 picoseconds. Which would make 1 second feel like roughly 3,200 years in comparison iirc.

By sheer complexity and size radius of the feat, it should handily beat Wally's far more simple (relatively at least), feat.

I try to imagine; if you had a man with super strength, flight, heat and cold powers on demand, architectural and electrical expertise, but travel and reflex speed no greater than a normal human's, how long would it take him to build one city?

Some cities can have over a million buildings. And with someone with all of the above powers, yet no superspeed --at all--, I imagine even one large building would probably take centuries to make.

So compress all of those hundreds of thousands, maybe even hundreds of millions of years worth of work, down to seconds.

Using this measure, and assuming 5 seconds (because I'm lazy and 5 is an easy number), makes 5 seconds equivalent to 16,000 years.

I reckon a normal human speeded dude could build a city on 16,000 years, lol.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
IIRC, Golden Age Superman also built an underground city in a single panel from scratch.

And as we saw, Pre-Flashpoint and Golden Age Supes were roughly equal.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
I can't find the scans anymore since the links are down, but looking at the description Golden Age Supes didn't just build an underground city in seconds, he built underground cities all over the world, in seconds.

That shits on Wally's S. Korea feat.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Kal-L/Speed/Miscellaneous/th_SUPERMAN48-PG05.jpg

Also, later in the same issue(but different story, hence the page numbers being off as they numbered each story separately at the time) he time traveled via speed.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Kal-L/Speed/Miscellaneous/th_SUPERMAN48-PG20.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Kal-L/Speed/Miscellaneous/th_SUPERMAN48-PG21.jpg

And Phil was right about being lightspeed by ACTION COMICS #5.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Kal-L/Speed/Miscellaneous/th_AC5-PG04.jpg

And just for fun, he outraces light traveling to a "distant planet" 12 seconds ahead of the light and builds a telescope powerful enough to film himself on Earth.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Kal-L/Speed/FilmsHimself/th_AC111-PG10.jpg http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa466/Delta1938/Comparing/Heroes/Kal-L/Speed/FilmsHimself/th_AC111-PG11.jpg

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Also, as DS pointed out in another thread, it would have taken like 95 seconds to complete the feat if moving at 99% lightspeed.

Which would make that far too slow, thats nearing 2 minutes. Everyone would have been ash by that time.

This is the sad truth. Flash didn't actually save those people. They were killed and he was so traumatized he convinced himself he could have done it at the speed of light.

Nice, the city is called 'gigantic' and 'self-sustaining' in that scan.

He also painted the hell out of em. Lol.

Hulk with roller skate.

Originally posted by carver9
Love cosmic. I just want to point out that Superman was under a Blue Sun when he built that city...

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11112/111120432/5031368-6497609549-60131.jpg

It tells us here that the Blue Sun enhance powers. Hell, it even gives new powers.

http://s27.photobucket.com/user/mars_central/media/superheroes/bluesun.jpg.html

His vision powers even did this.. gave pa Superman like power.

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601311-action_856_36_super.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601460-08_super.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601461-09_super.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601462-10_super.jpg

http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd399/sin_i_AM1981/601463-11_super.jpg

He probably didn't even build that city using speed, strength etc...he probably used a new power.

He was amped. It's still better than Flash ft though.

The fact you think "he probably used a new power" because "because" shows how bad at this you are.

I love carver's attempt at backhanded compliments, though.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Firstly, Carver, that is not the feat me and DS are talking about. We are talking about a Golden Age feat.


Secondly, you talk as if I didn't already correct you on all of that before.

Supes was not amped at all.

The only thing the blue sun did was give him a new vision power. That's all it was shown to do. Afterall, even after being exposed to it he still needed Pa's help to get back to his feet, as you can see. So where is this physical amp that you like to imagine?

That and Bizarro was exposed to it before Supes was and no mention of a physical amp for his stats came from anyone. All he got was a new vision power as well.

If there was any amp at all, it was so small that it wasn't even worth mentioning since they didn't.

If you'd like, just cut the time of the feat in half. You can say his speed was doubled, even though that was absolutely not implied anywhere.




http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/27470/1644852-cityta4.jpg

Also, no one cares about your fan-fiction powers. As the scan shows, only super-speed was used.

Not some new 'repair buildings on command' power or something.

http://s27.photobucket.com/user/mars_central/media/superheroes/bluesun.jpg.html

Wrong Superman, wrong instance,wrong everything, carver.

Surely all those wrongs somehow add up to a right.

Originally posted by carver9
http://s27.photobucket.com/user/mars_central/media/superheroes/bluesun.jpg.html

What book is that from?

Originally posted by spetznaz
I just posted on another thread. He evacuated a city of 500,000 people, carrying the people in ones and twos to a location 35 miles away, while a nuclear weapon was detonating ...in 0.00001 of a microsecond. Considering a microsecond is a millionth of a second, he did it in 0.00001 of a millionth of a second.

Considering distance, and that he had to do that trip multiple times back and forth (each trip being 35 miles x2 times the number of people he's carrying depending whether it is ones or twos), it was calculated he was traveling between 9 to 13 trillion times the speed of light.

I agree with you; the argument just gets brought up more than a few times.

Originally posted by carver9
He probably didn't even build that city using speed, strength etc...he probably used a new power.

He was amped. It's still better than Flash ft though.

"He probably used a new power"

el oh el. If the comic doesn't specify, you don't get to.

Originally posted by JBL
Can anyone do it the same way Flash did? In all honesty, there isn't a character outside the Flash-Family and its rogues who can duplicate that feat, imo -- certainly no character from Marvel.

As for this thread: Zoom, and Bart/Barry(when they were merged with the Speed Force) could do it.

/thread

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What speed was that

Slower then the speed of a spider.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
What book is that from? Action Comics #855.

Originally posted by Galan007
Action Comics #855.



Im gonna cut u.

S/n do u watch ftwd?

Originally posted by Galan007
In all honesty, there isn't a character outside the Flash-Family and its rogues who can duplicate that feat, imo -- certainly no character from Marvel.

As for this thread: Zoom, and Bart/Barry(when they were merged with the Speed Force) could do it.

I feel confident he can do it, EASILY.

https://youtu.be/q-EjM5OEg3A

Originally posted by Sin I AM


Im gonna cut u.

S/n do u watch ftwd?

Lol...it was obvious what you were trying to do. You asked me that to see if I knew the issue#. I never, never, feed people that does things like that.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
S/n do u watch ftwd? Only the first season. Will never watch again.

Ftwd is a garbage show

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...it was obvious what you were trying to do. You asked me that to see if I knew the issue#. I never, never, feed people that does things like that.

So you didnt know. 👍

Originally posted by krisblaze
Surfer
http://cbr0.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/preview/SILVSURF2014001-int2-2-ceb27.jpg

Originally posted by Sin I AM
You're beneath me riv. Keep that troll shit to yourself.
I wouldn't get beneath you, or in any other position, on a bet boo-Barella. I have standards. yucky

Does surfer searching the planet before strange could make a sentence allow him do that ?

Depends how he searched - he has cosmic senses after all.

Man hunter and Xavier search planets without even moving.

^^^That and the PC just isnt geared towards feats like that the way the SF is. It was put very well on page 1:
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Even if someone would try, the humans would die during the attempt. Either from the being accelerated from 0 to xxxxx time ftl or because of the one being not fast enough.

Originally posted by spetznaz
Exactly, and that is what makes the Flashes unique. The speed force enables them to effectively use their high speeds in a manner that other superfast characters (like the Surfer and Superman) are unable to. There might be other characters that can travel at similar velocities, but the speed would be primarily limited to travel and/or combat. The speed force enables Flashes to use speed to do much more.
Which is why this question:
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What can the speed force do....that the power cosmic can't?
Got this zingy answer:
Originally posted by riv6672
Make its wielder able to evacuate a city of 500,000 people, carrying the people in ones and twos to a location 35 miles away, while a nuclear weapon is detonating ...in 0.00001 of a microsecond.




And i stand by that; gag inducing threats of sexual positions will not sway me.

The OP question was answered correctly and early, so, this is just circles now. Adieu!

Originally posted by JBL
Can anyone do it the same way Flash did?


rethinking yoyur premise and I think anyone who can reach sub light speed should be able to replicate it, if they could protect the people their carrying from the effects of speed. so curfer, clark, spectrum etc could...but morthstar couldn't even though he's fast enuff

We're not using sublight speed though. JBL is using the calculated speed. Which is like trillionty times the speed of light.

Sublight speeds would mean he saves them in 90 seconds. So they burn to a crisp.

Cyborg 009 can probably do it. Wasn't there an episode where he was locked in acceleration mode, and the world around him didn't move for a week?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
We're not using sublight speed though. JBL is using the calculated speed. Which is like trillionty times the speed of light.

Sublight speeds would mean he saves them in 90 seconds. So they burn to a crisp.

it was stated that he moved at a trillion times the speed of light in the comic? I don't remember that...I thought it was sub-light speed.

I remember a PC comic where Clark (Superboy) was sitting next to Lana in a Car. He heard that some danger happened on a far away planet. While she blinked, he flew there, saved the day as Superboy and returned before her eyes opened again.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
it was stated that he moved at a trillion times the speed of light in the comic? I don't remember that...I thought it was sub-light speed.

As said, 99% lightspeed would have been far too slow to complete the feat. Would have taken near 2 minutes to do it, so everyone would have died.

So we are just going by the sheer Mile Per Hour calculation and avoiding the lightspeed label.

Authors often **** up and just use 'lightspeed' haphazardly because they don't know how fast it really is and in their head just think of it as 'nigh infinite speed' or something.

Or we could just say that DC's lightspeed is much, much faster than real life lightspeed.

Originally posted by abhilegend
http://cbr0.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/preview/SILVSURF2014001-int2-2-ceb27.jpg

Maybe he got a little tired REKINDLING A GODDAMN SUN

Originally posted by Sin I AM
it was stated that he moved at a trillion times the speed of light in the comic? I don't remember that...I thought it was sub-light speed.

OP clarified:
Originally posted by JBL
Let's go with the calculated speed which is far far faster than light.

Spetz did the calculations:
Originally posted by spetznaz
I just posted on another thread. He evacuated a city of 500,000 people, carrying the people in ones and twos to a location 35 miles away, while a nuclear weapon was detonating ...in 0.00001 of a microsecond. Considering a microsecond is a millionth of a second, he did it in 0.00001 of a millionth of a second.

Considering distance, and that he had to do that trip multiple times back and forth (each trip being 35 miles x2 times the number of people he's carrying depending whether it is ones or twos), it was calculated he was traveling between 9 to 13 trillion times the speed of light.

The only feat I know of that rivals(perhaps beats) the raw speed Wally displayed in that showing, is Azrael 1M's feat here:
http://i.imgur.com/ih6h99Vm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lkvRdsDm.jpg

On average, Pluto and Mars are ~4 billion miles apart. Azrael 1M covered that distance in a nanosecond(one billionth of a second.) Iirc, that also works out to trillionS of times c... But I don't care to redo the math.

*And that was after he flew from Earth to Pluto in the space of a single panel... But since an exact timeframe wasn't given in that instance, I'll stick with the 'lesser' feat I mentioned above.

Originally posted by Galan007
The only feat I know of that rivals(perhaps beats) the raw speed Wally displayed in that showing, is Azrael 1M's feat here:
http://i.imgur.com/ih6h99Vm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/lkvRdsDm.jpg

On average, Pluto and Mars are ~4 billion miles apart. Azrael 1M covered that distance in a nanosecond(one billionth of a second.) Iirc, that also works out to trillionS of times c... But I don't care to redo the math.

*And that was after he flew from Earth to Pluto in the space of a single panel... But since an exact timeframe wasn't given in that instance, I'll stick with the 'lesser' feat I mentioned above. Originally posted by psycho gundam
His power seems more like teleportation rather than true flight

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_gg_zpsmlrmpv8i.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_ey_zpssg5wzild.jpg

It's like what Son Goku can do

^ Except we can *see* him physically flying -- even leaves a trail behind him. Yes, there is a sort of metaphysical component at work(ie. he thinks of a destination, and the wings take him there) -- but he still *flies* to get there.

Only cause he's being transported to his destination.

*via flight... Which is my point.

It is not teleportation in the classic sense. Azrael is clearly *flying* to his destination(s); not just instantly materializing to them.

It makes him incorporeal as he travels, apparently against his will. He traveled back in time using the wings but can't "solidify"

http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_az3_zpsaeefno4n.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_az4_zpsutfnjc3e.jpg http://i1099.photobucket.com/albums/g386/psychogundam1/th_az5_zpsqtqvgdr8.jpg

Idunno. It really doesn't seem like flight to me, it seems like it's a "you can be anywhere, any time while wearing this thing" gadget

Becoming incorporeal when he enters the past does not change anything. The wings were very specifically designed to take Azrael to *any* point in time/space. All he has to do is think of a destination, and they transport him there. Why? Because Sister Dumas wanted her 'angels' to move at the speed of thought:
http://i.imgur.com/v1JTIKN.jpg


Anyway, I think his movement is very clearly flight. As I said: we can *see* him physically flying to his destinations, and even leaving a trail behind him:
http://i.imgur.com/atxZwF1.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/M6hm1R9.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/SfmTjyV.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/zTOfhzK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Cw0EKWs.jpg



*That would definitely not be the case if he were simply teleporting from A-to-B... Nor would he need 'wings' to do so. After all, teleportation devices were readily available in the 853rd century. The Justice Legion Alpha, for example, had Boom Tubes built into their costumes, ffs.

I'm not disputing that, but since it cannot be argued that he can go any slower than that, it looks closer to translocation in my own opionion

Anyway, agree to disagree

It's definitely not typical physical flight.

It is still a manner of flight-based travel speed. Azrael is most definitely *flying*; not teleporting... Which is my point.

It takes a feat of *that* magnitude just to rival the evacuation showing. That tells you how f*cking incredible Wally's feat really is -- even by comic book standards.

I don't know if this is an apt description or not, but it almost seems like a long distance catapult for your soul and your body follows after like its attached by rope.

haermm

Death Sentry and Genis-Vell have some monstrous speed feats. Where they ever calculated?

It'd be hard to calculate Death Sentry's feat with any kind of precision, imo. All we know for sure is that he flew Thor "many light years away", whilst flying "many times the speed of light", in like 2 pages. /shrug


On an unrelated note, Supreme's feat is also quite uber -- he flew from Earth, to beyond the galactic rim, in the space of a single page:
http://i.imgur.com/5gl9XKzm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ZvqMsD8m.jpg

Ridiculously beyond c.

Genis traveled 30 light years in under 3 hours, thats roughly 100,000c.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
Maybe he got a little tired REKINDLING A GODDAMN SUN
That was a micro sun of a micro system. Barely the size of his palm actually.

If that's all it takes him to get tired......

Originally posted by Galan007
It'd be hard to calculate Death Sentry's feat with any kind of precision, imo. All we know for sure is that he flew Thor "many light years away", whilst flying "many times the speed of light", in like 2 pages. /shrug


I guess its not quantifiable. But still impressive. Going at least faster than Thor top end flight speed, given that Thor is having a hard time coping with his speed, and the affects that its bringing to time/space.

Originally posted by Galan007
On average, Pluto and Mars are ~4 billion miles apart. Azrael 1M covered that distance in a nanosecond(one billionth of a second.) Iirc, that also works out to trillionS of times c... But I don't care to redo the math. I'll do it and if my calcs are correct, this does beat Flash's city evac feat (at least in terms of sheer speed; Az didn't have to do anything other than straightforward speeding, ie, nothing like safe people-carrying).

Flash's feat calculates to a max speed of 19 trillion cee (calcs done in a prior post).

Based on the numbers provided above, Azrael's speed was over 21 teracee:

Light takes 1 sec to cover 186,000 miles.
Light takes 21,505 seconds (almost 6 hours) to cover 4,000,000,000 miles. To cover 4 gigamiles in 1 second = 21,505 cee.
To cover that in 1/1,000,000,000 of a second = 21.5 kilocee X 1 billion = >21 trillion cee.

Given how relatively close 19 trillion and 21 trillion are, what if Azrael had to duplicate Flash's exact feat? Carrying thousands upon thousands of people to safety? Would that slow him down at all?

Just sayin'.

What's 2 trillion times the speed of light between mates, eh?

Problem is of course that it also relies on Azrael's reflex speeds, to search for Korean grannies etc.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's 2 trillion times the speed of light between mates, eh?

Problem is of course that it also relies on Azrael's reflex speeds, to search for Korean grannies etc.

are there any feats in comics above trillions of times c?

I think showing flight speed feats kind of defeats the purpose of this thread, since they're not representations of the character's ability to physically react/carry that amount of people.

What about Gladiator recent feat? Crossing entire galaxies in a blink of an eye. Doesnt that put him in the same catagory as DC1M Azreal?
http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/5633972-2849651952-56330.jpg
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/5633973-7270216952-56331.jpg
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/2/23374/5633974-4097947529-56331.jpg

"... cross entire galaxies in the blink of a god's eye."

Does that mean several galaxies at once in a single blink (if so, how many), or galaxy after galaxy, ie, blink after blink? It isn't clear. Plus, how big are these galaxies? Some are much smaller than our own, which is 100,000 lightyears across.

Also, how fast does a god's eye blink? I have no idea. For a human, a blink can be as fast as 1/10 second.

Worst case scenario: Gladiator covers 100,000 lightyears in 0.1 second. That's ... actually pretty darn good. That's 32 trillion cee, at least. But again, it's also straightforward speeding, no operations like careful people-saving. And it's flying, wherein the OP states ...
Originally posted by JBL
Can anyone do it the same way Flash did? Flash didn't fly.

Originally posted by Mindship
"... cross entire galaxies in the blink of a god's eye."

Does that mean several galaxies at once in a single blink (if so, how many), or galaxy after galaxy, ie, blink after blink? It isn't clear. Plus, how big are these galaxies? Some are much smaller than our own, which is 100,000 lightyears across.

Also, how fast does a god's eye blink? I have no idea. For a human, a blink can be as fast as 1/10 second.


Yeah

I was going to say.

That even if you make it one Galaxy, at the speed of a human blinking his eye. That shit is retarded fast.


Someone like Plutonian could do it. As his speed comes from shattering laws of physics by willing it.

Depends how many galaxies.

Personally, I am confused as to what the art depicts in the last panel of the first page of Ids scans.

Is that a wormhole opening up, that we see in Heimdalls eyes?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Depends how many galaxies.

Personally, I am confused as to what the art depicts in the last panel of the first page of Ids scans.

Is that a wormhole opening up, that we see in Heimdalls eyes?

You fool.

Thats Gladiator flying, empowered by carvers burning passion.

I mean, they're his eyes (just looked again).

But they're wide open, no blinking....

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
But they're wide open, no blinking.... He's a god. He blinks so fast comics can't depict it.

By the art, the swirling red stuff off in the cosmos looks like a galaxy over.

And then its shown in more detail in Heimdall's eyes.

Heimdall also notices him, before he has crossed over to Asgard..thus the "No!"

Originally posted by Galan007
In all honesty, there isn't a character outside the Flash-Family and its rogues who can duplicate that feat, imo -- certainly no character from Marvel.

As for this thread: Zoom, and Bart/Barry(when they were merged with the Speed Force) could do it.

Silver Age Supes should be quick enough.

Originally posted by "Id"
What about Gladiator recent feat? Crossing entire galaxies in a blink of an eye. Doesnt that put him in the same catagory as DC1M Azreal?
http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/5633972-2849651952-56330.jpg
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/5633973-7270216952-56331.jpg
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/2/23374/5633974-4097947529-56331.jpg

The as test characters in comics.

What's his speed, carver? In multiples of c, please.

Originally posted by Mindship
what if Azrael had to duplicate Flash's exact feat? Carrying thousands upon thousands of people to safety? Would that slow him down at all?

Just sayin'. As I said earlier: no one outside the Flash Family and/or its rogues can duplicate Wally's feat, imo.

The raw flight speed Azrael displayed whilst traveling in a straight line may be greater than the raw the speed Wally displayed, but the showings themselves are not comparable at all. In terms of what Wally also had to accomplish, his feat is FAR superior.

Originally posted by carver9
The as test characters in comics.

Meant to say "the best speed ft in comics".

I wonder if Savitar could do it as well?

And Zoom. Not the time manipulator.

Savitar? Probably not, though he would come close.
Zoom? Yes.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's his speed, carver? In multiples of c, please.

Don't know why you are thumbing up. He crossed Galaxies in the blink (no specific God mentioned) of a gods eye. That statement means that he he crossed this distance in enough time for a God to blink. I think a God can blink faster than a human but let's down play it and say he crossed this distance in a second. Fastest speed ft in comics.

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why you are thumbing up. He crossed Galaxies in the blink (no specific God mentioned) of a gods eye. That statement means that he he crossed this distance in enough time for a God to blink. I think a God can blink faster than a human but let's down play it and say he crossed this distance in a second. Fastest speed ft in comics.

The term "god" is relative, and not all of them are all powerful or have every single stat enhanced. But how fast do you think it takes for a god to blink and what are you basing this on?

Originally posted by carver9
Don't know why you are thumbing up. He crossed Galaxies in the blink (no specific God mentioned) of a gods eye. That statement means that he he crossed this distance in enough time for a God to blink. I think a God can blink faster than a human but let's down play it and say he crossed this distance in a second. Fastest speed ft in comics.

A galaxy is, on average for us, around 10,000 light years in diameter.

20,000 light years in a second is.....less than 1 trillion times c.

So slower than Flash's feat, as per this thread.

Sorry, carver.

How many times c is 20,000 Light years per second?

Originally posted by "Id"
What about Gladiator recent feat? Crossing entire galaxies in a blink of an eye. Doesnt that put him in the same catagory as DC1M Azreal?
http://static9.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/5633972-2849651952-56330.jpg
http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads/original/2/23374/5633973-7270216952-56331.jpg
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_medium/2/23374/5633974-4097947529-56331.jpg I thought Asgard was in a different dimension?

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
How many times c is 20,000 Light years per second? 631 billion times, or 0.63 trillion.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
A galaxy is, on average for us, around 10,000 light years in diameter.

20,000 light years in a second is.....less than 1 trillion times c.

So slower than Flash's feat, as per this thread.

Sorry, carver.

Isn't the Milky Way around 100k light years in diameter? While some larger ones are close to/over a million?

Edit. I know that the Milky Way is typical of a large galaxy and that most of the galaxies in our local group are much smaller. But just asking how we base the distance of what a "galaxy" should be.

Small galaxies can also be mere hundreds of light years, however.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Isn't the Milky Way around 100k light years in diameter? While some larger ones are close to/over a million?

Edit. I know that the Milky Way is typical of a large galaxy and that most of the galaxies in our local group are much smaller. But just asking how we base the distance of what a "galaxy" should be.

Yeah, we obv saw the same link lol.

http://teacherlink.ed.usu.edu/tlnasa/reference/imaginedvd/files/imagine/docs/ask_astro/answers/001205a.html

Without a base, though, that feat is as unquantifiable as it gets.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yeah, we obv saw the same link lol.

http://teacherlink.ed.usu.edu/tlnasa/reference/imaginedvd/files/imagine/docs/ask_astro/answers/001205a.html

Without a base, though, that feat is as unquantifiable as it gets.

Lol. Looks like it.

Anyway, reread the scans. I think there may be a bit of misinterpretation on the "feat". The language used seem to indicate that "cross entire galaxies" means that he crossed from his galaxy (the Shi'ar galaxy) to ours in the blink of an eye. At least that's what I am getting from it.

Originally posted by Surtur
The term "god" is relative, and not all of them are all powerful or have every single stat enhanced. But how fast do you think it takes for a god to blink and what are you basing this on?

I think they blink faster than a human. So the question is, how fast does a human blink.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Lol. Looks like it.

Anyway, reread the scans. I think there may be a bit of misinterpretation on the "feat". The language used seem to indicate that "cross entire galaxies" means that he crossed from his galaxy (the Shi'ar galaxy) to ours in the blink of an eye. At least that's what I am getting from it.

Yep.

It's not even the size of galaxies that's impressive, it's the distance apart. While the Milky Way is a good size galaxy at 100,000 light years across, the distance to the nearest galaxy (Andromeda) is 2.5 million light years.

But, travel speeds aren't that impressive. Compare that to travelling to the center of the universe, or to the Source wall, as is very often done in DC, and you would have to travel through billionS of universes to get there. Kal-El and Kal-L flew SBP from Earth to the remains of Krypton in the span of a couple panels and a punch or two - a distance that would have surely covered some millionS of galaxies at the very least (from sector 2814 to 2813).

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
I thought Asgard was in a different dimension?

Asgard isn't in a different dimension.

Asgard pays dimensional rent to the Hulk.

He is a good, but quick tempered landlord.

Originally posted by carver9
Asgard isn't in a different dimension. Where is it?

1 light year=9.4605284*10^12 km
Distance to andromeda galaxy: 2.537.000 light years or 2.400150161*10^22 m
120813
Time it takes to blink: 0.1-0.4 seconds
Speed (low end) = 2.400150161*10^22/0.4=6.000375402*10^22m/s
Speed (high end)=2.400150161*10^22/0.1=2.40015016*10^23m/s
Speed of light: 299 792 458 m/s
Gladiator's speed:
Low end= 200 150 979 200 000c
High end= 800 603 916 700 000c
It's described as "the blink of a god's eye" so the high end is more likely. Either way, it's in the hundreds of trillions of times faster than light.

Originally posted by "Id"
1 light year=9.4605284*10^12 km
Distance to andromeda galaxy: 2.537.000 light years or 2.400150161*10^22 m
120813
Time it takes to blink: 0.1-0.4 seconds
Speed (low end) = 2.400150161*10^22/0.4=6.000375402*10^22m/s
Speed (high end)=2.400150161*10^22/0.1=2.40015016*10^23m/s
Speed of light: 299 792 458 m/s
Gladiator's speed:
Low end= 200 150 979 200 000c
High end= 800 603 916 700 000c
It's described as "the blink of a god's eye" so the high end is more likely. Either way, it's in the hundreds of trillions of times faster than light.

Amazing. I'm sure a God Blink's faster than a human but using the speed of a human blink for a God, it's still amazingly fast. Best speed ft in comics.

The Warp Smiths could probably do it, with their advanced teleportion/super speed combo power.

Originally posted by carver9
Amazing. I'm sure a God Blink's faster than a human but using the speed of a human blink for a God, it's still amazingly fast. Best speed ft in comics.
Originally posted by Cogito
But, travel speeds aren't that impressive. Compare that to travelling to the center of the universe, or to the Source wall, as is very often done in DC, and you would have to travel through billionS of universes to get there. Kal-El and Kal-L flew SBP from Earth to the remains of Krypton in the span of a couple panels and a punch or two - a distance that would have surely covered some millionS of galaxies at the very least (from sector 2814 to 2813).

Sigh...I'm not going there. Avoid it carver9...do not get tempted by it.

So....where is Asgard?

Where hulk allows it to be.

Originally posted by carver9
Sigh...I'm not going there. Avoid it carver9...do not get tempted by it. haermm2

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....where is Asgard?

Seriously, someone answer this. I have no idea anymore.

Originally posted by Cogito


Good point, Cogito. Superman (men) went to the center of the universe within a few dialogue boxes. That's like the time it takes you to finish a few sentences.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm sure a God Blink's faster than a human Holy shit.

Originally posted by Galan007
Holy shit.

CARVER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

Originally posted by Galan007
Holy shit.

...they do. Flash Blink's faster than us as well.

Originally posted by carver9
...they do. Flash Blink's faster than us as well. Heimdall being the guardian of the RB has to be alert at all times, his blink is rare yet faster than what we understand as speed.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
What's 2 trillion times the speed of light between mates, eh?

Problem is of course that it also relies on Azrael's reflex speeds, to search for Korean grannies etc. So much more even like thought processes and prioritizing people according to proximity to the blast that's spreading, mental fatigue due to doing all this hastily without error, etc