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OK so Anakin makes the choice to side with the Emperor by chopping off Mace Windus arm and then he's christened Darth Vader and now all of a sudden he's killing kids... What?!?!? Yes this abrupt fall into evil is a major gripe for those that aren't fans of the Prequels.

BUT

If you figure that series of moments into the larger series....

Yoda says in ESB that "once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny". When Luke faces the Emperor in a battle of wills the Emperor makes mention that all Luke has to do is strike him down and his journey to the dark side will be COMPLETE... Also he stops just short of that defining moment by not killing Vader.

These statements if looked at literally make the swift fall of Anakin Skywalker make a lot more sense; what these characters are saying and now what has been show in that the Dark Sides hold is strong and immediate; once you cross that line your mind will depend into evil fully; there doesnt seem to be any gradual shift. Once youre Dark Side thats pretty much it.

Anyways, that is just something that I noticed; for all the inconsistencies in lining up the two trilogies this is one that actually makes more sense in the context of the entire saga.

I think the "seeds to darkness" began earlier than what you've mentioned.

The moment Qui Gon decided to seperate Annakin from his mother at such a young age, both knowing fully well the life of slavery that awaited her....I think that's what ultimately led to his downfall to the dark side.

Pretty stupid reasoning to separate a young child from his only parent & expect the child to embrace the side that was responsible for it.

Don't forget he massacred the Sand People long before being influenced by Palpatine.

Well they did try to get his mother out of slavery but Watto would only allow one of them to be released.

It really does make sense, I don't get what all the PT haters b*tch about. Anakin was established as a psychopathic, mass murdering, creep in AotC. Him betraying the Jedi and butchering children in RotS fits right in with that.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Well they did try to get his mother out of slavery but Watto would only allow one of them to be released.

Also, wasn't she freed and married some guy?

I imagine that maybe Obi Wan or Pad Me could have easily went back and bought her freedom unless they knew she was happy where she was.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Also, wasn't she freed and married some guy?
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Yeah, that was in Episode 2.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Also, wasn't she freed and married some guy?

I imagine that maybe Obi Wan or Pad Me could have easily went back and bought her freedom unless they knew she was happy where she was.

Yeah freed & married but without Annakin's knowledge.

All he would've remembered was leaving her as a slave.

Why Qui Gon didn't free the mother from soavery by threat, force or stealth didn't make sense. There was also a potential love interest there.

Slaves had something in them that if they tried to escape it would kill them, not sure what it was called but was mentioned

I always wondered if Anakins path to the dark side started with the death of his mother and finished with the vision of Padme dying

Originally posted by steverules_2
Slaves had something in them that if they tried to escape it would kill them, not sure what it was called but was mentioned



Honestly don't recall that.

I mean there was never any conversation or plan about freeing/rescuing the mother for that to be mentioned.

And Qui Gon didn't strike me as the type to say," Explosive device in her neck? She's a lost cause, let's leave her."

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It really does make sense, I don't get what all the PT haters b*tch about. Anakin was established as a psychopathic, mass murdering, creep in AotC. Him betraying the Jedi and butchering children in RotS fits right in with that.

True. The thing is, the film makers were trying to convey something else. hehehe

are you guys just jealous you didn't write the script???

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Honestly don't recall that.

I mean there was never any conversation or plan about freeing/rescuing the mother for that to be mentioned.

And Qui Gon didn't strike me as the type to say," Explosive device in her neck? She's a lost cause, let's leave her."

There is a scene on Tatooine where they talk about the safeguards to stop them escaping. Some sort of implant, iirc.

Originally posted by Kazenji
Well they did try to get his mother out of slavery but Watto would only allow one of them to be released.

Yes and then..why didn't they come back later with resources from the republic and buy her freedom?

Originally posted by -Pr-
There is a scene on Tatooine where they talk about the safeguards to stop them escaping. Some sort of implant, iirc. "All slaves have a transmitter placed inside their body somewhere. Any attempt to escape--"


"--and they blow you up!"





That's about all the explanation that was given.

Originally posted by Surtur
Yes and then..why didn't they come back later with resources from the republic and buy her freedom?

So the Republic would just go out of their way for just on slave.

Originally posted by Kazenji
So the Republic would just go out of their way for just on slave.

Don't be so dramatic.

Maybe just the one Jedi that was responsible from separating a child from its mother.

Surely Qui Gon should've realised the trauma he created breaking up a family he had just met.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Honestly don't recall that.

I mean there was never any conversation or plan about freeing/rescuing the mother for that to be mentioned.

And Qui Gon didn't strike me as the type to say," Explosive device in her neck? She's a lost cause, let's leave her."

Found it

Shmi: All slaves have transmitters placed in their body somewhere
Anakin: I've been working a scanner to try and locate them, but no luck
Shmi: Any attempt to escape...
Anakin: ...and they blow you up...POOF!

It may have been a while see I've seen TPM but I remember the scene

Originally posted by Kazenji
So the Republic would just go out of their way for just on slave.

Why not? Even if the people on Tatooine do not take Republic credits and there is no way for them to exchange those credits for a different currency..we saw they are more than willing to accept technology as payment. A ship or something.

Now add in the fact this is the mother of an emotionally disturbed young jedi who they feel is the chosen one and who they decided to train despite more or less all the jedi masters saying it was a bad idea.

Notice that 10 yr. old Anakin was kinda annoying, but he wasn't this whiny evil little shitbag he turned into. Perhaps having momma in his life could have helped him, instead they just forgot about for her for a decade and then he slaughtered an entire village after a mental breakdown due to her death. Shockingly not the only time he'd slaughter kids.

None of the jedi even ask him wtf happened on Tatooine, despite Yoda sensing some deep shit was going down.

The jedi and their shitty treatment of him also played a part in his fall. "Oh, you had premonitions of someone you care about dying? Shut the f*ck up and learn to let it go chump". Or "Oh we put you on the council, but you get upset we don't make you a master? Shut the f*ck up and go spy on your only friend that we don't trust and sense the darkside around and btw we kinda don't even trust you around him either, now go".

It may have been a while SINCE I've seen TPM

Hate using a PS Vita keyboard

Yeah, there definitely was a scene where they talk about your heading getting blown off if you try to escape.

Wait a minute, Anakin was actually SUPER excited when describing it. Hmm, maybe the kid was just born dark.

It makes sense. It was just poorly written and displayed on screen. Anakin choked his wife in the same movie. Anakin was not just a Jedi but a solider. He was also for the majority of the movie emotionally conflicted and confused.

Luke was also for the majority of ROTJ. He would have fallen just as quickly if he had accepted his fate. Instead seeing his father's hand was a great reminder to him of a path he did not want to go down. Anakin had no such reminder or help.

Truth is the jedi botched the entire thing. They more or less created Darth Vader.

Originally posted by Surtur
Truth is the jedi botched the entire thing. They more or less created Darth Vader.

Originally posted by Surtur
Truth is the jedi botched the entire thing. They more or less created Darth Vader.

Yup that's what I've been hinting from the start.

Both Qui & Obi were pretty poor father figures to begin with.

From the start they knew there wasn't something quite right and then act surprised he joined the dark side

I don't think George Lucas cares much for family values.

Hell he had a brother lusting over his sister in the OT!