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title says all. There are a series of matches, just write the name of the winner and if You want also the reason said character wins.

1) Yoda vs Valkorion
2) Darth Krayt vs Darth Plagueis
3) RotS Obi wan Kenobi vs Cade Skywalker
4) DoE Bane vs Wrath II
5) Darth Zannah vs DD Ventress
6) K'Kruhk vs S3 Kanan Jarrus
7) DD Quinlan Vos vs Darth Marr
8) Satele Shan vs Kit Fisto
9) Average PT era Jedi Knight vs Chirrut imwe (assume his staff can block lightsabers)
10) Darth Malak vs Jaina Solo

Not sure
Plagueis
Kenobi
Bane
Zannah
Not sure
Vos
Satele
Jedi Knight
Jaina

Yoda
Plagueis
Obi Wan
Wrath II in a stomp
Ventress
Not sure.
Quinlan
Kit
The Jedi
Jaina Solo

Originally posted by Total Warrior
1) Yoda vs Valkorion
2) Darth Krayt vs Darth Plagueis
3) RotS Obi wan Kenobi vs Cade Skywalker
4) DoE Bane vs Wrath II
5) Darth Zannah vs DD Ventress
6) K'Kruhk vs S3 Kanan Jarrus
7) DD Quinlan Vos vs Darth Marr
8) Satele Shan vs Kit Fisto
9) Average PT era Jedi Knight vs Chirrut imwe (assume his staff can block lightsabers)
10) Darth Malak vs Jaina Solo

1. Valkorion.
2. Either way, or slight edge to Plagueis.
3. Cade.
4. Wrath.
5. Zannah.
6. Don't care.
7. Vos.
8. Satele.
9. Dunno.
10. Either way.

Yoda
Hego
Either way
Bane
Zannah
K'kruhk
Vos
You could make a case for Fisto, actually.
Jedi Knight.
Jaina.

1) Potential to go either way
2) Plagueis
3) RotS Obi Wan
4) DoE Bane
5) Darth Zannah
6) K'Kruhk
7) By feats, Quinlan
8) Leaning Satele
9) Average PT era Jedi Knight
10) Either way

Yoda vs Valkorion
Darth Krayt vs Darth Plagueis
Obi-Wan Kenobi vs Cade Skywalker
Darth Bane vs Wrath II
Darth Zannah vs Asajj Ventress
Quinlan Vos vs Darth Marr - no idea
Satele Shan vs Kit Fisto
Jedi Knight vs Chirrut Imwe
Darth Malak vs Jaina Solo - no idea

>Kit beats Satele
>Not sure if DD Vos can beat Marr
>lmfao

Originally posted by Total Warrior
title says all. There are a series of matches, just write the name of the winner and if You want also the reason said character wins.

1) Yoda vs Valkorion
2) Darth Krayt vs Darth Plagueis
3) RotS Obi wan Kenobi vs Cade Skywalker
4) DoE Bane vs Wrath II
5) Darth Zannah vs DD Ventress
6) K'Kruhk vs S3 Kanan Jarrus
7) DD Quinlan Vos vs Darth Marr
8) Satele Shan vs Kit Fisto
9) Average PT era Jedi Knight vs Chirrut imwe (assume his staff can block lightsabers)
10) Darth Malak vs Jaina Solo

1. Valkorion
2. Darth Plagueis
3. Obi-Wan Kenobi
4. Darth Bane
5. Darth Zannah
6. K'Kruhk
7. Quinlan Vos
8. Satele Shan
9. Jedi Knight
10. Darth Malak

Either way
Plagueis, by a hair
Kenobi
Wrath
Zannah
Vos
Fisto
Jedi Knight
Jaina

Originally posted by MythLord
Yoda
Hego
Either way
Bane
Zannah
K'kruhk
Vos
You could make a case for Fisto, actually.
Jedi Knight.
Jaina.

ngl, Shan would prolly ragdoll fisto.

Nah.

shit rebuttal, per usual.

casually crushing lightsaber resistant hex droids >>> anything from fisto.

Originally posted by Total Warrior
title says all. There are a series of matches, just write the name of the winner and if You want also the reason said character wins.

1) Yoda vs Valkorion
2) Darth Krayt vs Darth Plagueis
3) RotS Obi wan Kenobi vs Cade Skywalker
4) DoE Bane vs Wrath II
5) Darth Zannah vs DD Ventress
6) K'Kruhk vs S3 Kanan Jarrus
7) DD Quinlan Vos vs Darth Marr
8) Satele Shan vs Kit Fisto
9) Average PT era Jedi Knight vs Chirrut imwe (assume his staff can block lightsabers)
10) Darth Malak vs Jaina Solo

1.) Vitiate
2.) Plagueis
3.) idk
4.) idk
5.) leaning Zannah
6.) not sure ; Kanan obviously has "plot armor" and character
7.) idk who Marr is
8.) leaning shan
9.) Jedi
10.) idk, maybe malak

What were Shan's best Force Showings again?
Crushing Hex Droids?

Ninja edited lol

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/darthant66/blog/satele-shan-respect-thread-2017/103104/

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
casually crushing lightsaber resistant hex droids >>> anything from fisto.

The droids themselves are not lightsaber resistant, they merely can create electromagnetic shields that are capable of deflecting lightsabers. Shan doesn't need to break said shields to crush the droids.

With that in mind, Kit Fisto telekinetically accelerated a bubble, creating enough force to easily chew through the incredibly thick durasteel of CIS ships. That's honestly a much better feat than crushing Hex Droids.

That was in water. I doubt he can do that normally.

I mean, he gathered water with telekinesis then imbued it with energy. I have no idea why he couldn't do that with air given that the TCW Magazine states the power is literally gathering air molecules into a ball of energy.

That and manipulating air molecules/TK molecular manipulation is something a Jedi Padawan/Knight can do soo Fisto should have 0 problems with it.

Originally posted by MythLord
The droids themselves are not lightsaber resistant, they merely can create electromagnetic shields that are capable of deflecting lightsabers. Shan doesn't need to break said shields to crush the droids.

no, the droid's exoskeleton themselves were, in fact, resistant to lightsaber blows. Shigar noted that when he had to work extremely hard to penetrate their armor with his lightsaber. Not just that, they could also no sell heavy artillery blast fire tank an enraged Eldon's Force lightning and telekinetic crush without so much of a dent. While Satele Shan was casually crushing multiple with zero difficulty at all.

Quote for Shigar noting that? Because when either he or Eldon tried to pierce them with their lightsabers, the droid resorted to forming a shield. When they couldn't form their electromagnetic barrier, Shigar sliced and diced them like nothing:

"Shigar was ready for it. He Force-pushed the droid backward, sending it tumbling into space. There were more behind it, scrabbling for claw-holds on the torn metal. He leapt at them with lightsaber swinging, severing legs and stabbing at sense organs before the hexes could activate their electromirror shields."

-- Fatal Alliance

They also didn't no-sell heavy artillery -- their hide manages to deflect several bolts, but eventually the droid gets overwhelmed as seen when Potannin managed to damage one, Larin kept picking off their joints one-by-one, Shigar overcame one by deflecting it's own blaster fire back at it for a few seconds, etc.

Eldon Ax's lightning couldn't even overcome the insulators of a Mandalorian's armor, so it's not that powerful.
Also keep in mind when she tried to crush the Hex Droids, she had already wasted a significant portion of her reserves using a Barrier to shield her from their barrage. And good for Shan, she's a better offensive telekinetic than Eldon Ax... Now tell me why this is enough to ragdoll one of the most powerful Jedi Consulars of the PT era?

So yeah, as clearly stated, their exoskeleton is at least somewhat resistant to lightsaber blows.



Maybe "high artillery" was an overstatement , but it was factually no-selling blaster bolts from 4 shooters simultaneously before, to the point the barrage was rendered as nothing more than a distraction.



So, yeah.



Quotes for all these, except the Shigar feat?

That one has context - iirc. I seem to recall the potency of the droids blaster fire becoming more and more powerful with each deflection, or something adjacent to that, so obviously, it wasn't normal blaster fire that did it in, it was a trumped up version of it's own ridiculously powerful blaster fire that did, if I'm recalling the same feat correctly.



Still impressive to no sell it like it doesn't exist though - keep in mind she was enraged - a phenomenon that, at times, increases a Force users strength exponentially, or at least, more powerful their normal minded selves.



Where was that stated? Even then, again, her being absolutely enraged would have circumvented that.




Holy shit, that isn't my argument.

A hex droids defensive capabilities is far above the anything Eldon can muster in the Force , and Satele, while gesturing, is far above the defensive capabilities of the several hex droid.

In summary, none of Fisto's Force feats come close to Satele crushing something as durable as Hex droid via gesturing.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo


So yeah, as clearly stated, their exoskeleton is at least somewhat resistant to lightsaber blows.

You know, just because Shigar pressed down hard doesn't mean it's lightsaber resistant, lmao. Also do keep in mind that Shigar had to be incredibly careful because the droid was still kicking and capable of bruning him if he came too close.

Regardless, we have seen both him and Satele cut through the hex droids like butter with lightsabers later on in novel. Heck, even a Mandalorian's electrostaff managed to pierce it. At best you can argue their thick armor makes it a bit harder to penetrate than usual, but they're hardly lightsaber resistant.

Besides, Shan crushed them from the inside, IIRC, which means she didn't really have to go through their armor to begin with.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Maybe "high artillery" was an overstatement , but it was factually no-selling blaster bolts from 4 shooters simultaneously before, to the point the barrage was rendered as nothing more than a distraction.

So, yeah.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Quotes for all these, except the Shigar feat?

"Larin took her first shot, and missed. Her second hit the forelimb and was deflected. Her third struck the wrist joint squarely, severing the fire-shooting hand with a reddish flash.

Larin steadily picked off the hand weapons of her chosen target. When there were just two left, the droid transferred its weight to its four injured legs and hopped to where one of its fellows was trading fire with Dao Stryver."

-- Fatal Alliance

Also, keep in mind that the bodies of the hex droids have black circles that actually absorb blaster fire as energy and convert it to heat. This isn't so much a matter of durability as it is the tech being advanced enough to nullify a blaster's heat. But even that has it's limits:

"Another sniper rifle arrived, and Potannin took up the fight. He tried the joints, with little success, and moved on to the sense organs scattered across the chests of the things. The black circles reacted differently from the silver skin under fire. They absorbed everything that came at them, and radiated the energy as heat.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
That one has context - iirc. I seem to recall the potency of the droids blaster fire becoming more and more powerful with each deflection, or something adjacent to that, so obviously, it wasn't normal blaster fire that did it in, it was a trumped up version of it's own ridiculously powerful blaster fire that did, if I'm recalling the same feat correctly.

Actually, the only thing that was ramped up was the quantity of energy pulses the hex droid unleashed, thus making the stream "more intense". But the actual power of the blaster fire itself did not change by it being reflected.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Still impressive to no sell it like it doesn't exist though - keep in mind she was enraged - a phenomenon that, at times, increases a Force users strength exponentially, or at least, more powerful their normal minded selves.

Where was that stated? Even then, again, her being absolutely enraged would have circumvented that.

She was actually enraged when she set up her Force Barrier:

"Ax raised herself to her knees, and from there, with a supreme effort of will, to her feet. The world swayed around her, but the scream was intact, and growing. The dark side swelled inside her.

The creatures from the vault saw her, and instantly turned their blue pulses onto her.

She set the scream free.

A Force barrier surrounded her, bare millimeters from her skin. It shimmered and flickered as wave after wave of energy crashed against it, but it held. It held as long as she screamed, as long as she didn't want to die."

-- Fatal Alliance

Which left her in a rather poor state despite her being enraged, and still wasted a significant portion of her reserves.

Regardless, lightning does not operate the same way telekinesis does; the damage it deals is completely different hence you cannot transfer tanking it to tanking TK.

So the only instance in this entire fight between the Hex Droids and Eldon that you can use in Satele's favour is when Axe fails to crush them. Give me worthwhile feats for Eldon to actually make that durability feat impressive.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Holy shit, that isn't my argument.

A hex droids defensive capabilities is far above the anything Eldon can muster in the Force , and Satele, while gesturing, is far above the defensive capabilities of the several hex droid.

In summary, none of Fisto's Force feats come close to Satele crushing something as durable as Hex droid via gesturing.

I know that isn't your argument, I'm just noting the best thing you can draw from the hex droid example is that she's better than Eldon, which Fisto is logically as well.

Fisto's energy orbs casually tearing through the hull of massive CIS ships is easily within the same ballpark as crushing the hexes.

facepalm

Umm, yes? If he had to press down hard to penetrate it, that means the exoskeleton offered resistance to his attempt - thus, resistance. Sure a lightsaber could cut through it, but not as easily as it does with other materials not named Baskar and Corsis, which is the point.

You're just hilariously playing the semantic game here - a game that doesn't need to be played.



No, she wasn't. In order to crumble them like balls, she had to crush their exoskeleton. Granted she blew some apart from the inside, but that was separated from the crushing with the conjunction "and'.



Fair.

Regardless, we know they are highly resistant to blaster fire, and, can, at times, be nigh-impervious to them depending on the model of the fire arm. Well their hide at least. It seems the joints/limbs and such, isn't anywhere near as durable as the shell surrounding the rest of their body.




Congrats you proved they can absorb energy, something anyone who has read the book ****ing knows. That doesn't take away from the fact the silver parts on their bodies have deflected blast fire with no problem at all, sans any energy dissipating.






Alright.



Again, where was it stated specifically her power was vitiated in a significant way after erecting the barrier?




...Force Lightning is still Force energy and gives off damaging properties, how on God's green Earth does no-selling it, not reflect on it's overall durability?


Throughout the entire book Eldon was hyped as a powerful Force users, and everyone that encountered her sung her praises in the Force. We also know her barrier showings are pretty great given she was deflecting concentrated fire from Hex droids - which has melted through thick durasteel vault door - she also used some form of alter environment, or maybe pyrokinesis to melt a ferrocrete wall, all, I would say are pretty good Force feats.

So yeah, Eldon is pretty powerful and all the might she could muster couldn't even dent the outer shell of the a single Hex droid that resisted "more powerfully than durasteel".




While Setele was doing it via a simple gesture:



To put it into context, the powerful Eldon Ax couldn't even budge a single hex droid, while - while Satele was casually doing away with multiple. So the outer shell of one Hex >> Eldon's TK --- the casually telekinetic power of Shan >>>>>> The outer shell of a Hex droid.

- Really, all of this mental gymnastic is getting tiresome. From the onset - all of the points I made initially stand.

1. Hex droids exoskeleton have no-selled blaster fire, and are highly resistant to them.
2. Their shells offer some resistance to lightsaber attacks
3. They were completely impervious to Eldon's attacks.
4. Satele crushed them with a simple gesture.

After two pretty big post, you haven't really debunked any of this besides nitpicking this and that.



Uh-huh.



At face value, sure. Thing is, Fisto put significantly more effort into achieving his feat than Satele did. While he gathered up energy for 2-3 seconds, Satele was stunning, imploding, and crushing multiple hex droid in the time it would take for her to raise her hand.

Regardless, she has a number of others impressive feats that blow him out of the water including, but not limited to,

- destroying an entire cliff-side, and crushing Malgus with it.
- absorbing the energy of a lightsaber blade.
- exhibiting galactic level telepathy
- creating Force bubbles that can survive the vacuum of space, and repel the hex could throw at her.
- having BM that was mentioned in the same vain as Bastila Shan, greatly increase the combative effetiveness of her comrads and even with the ability to revive and heal injured comrades.


Fisto is outclassed, tbh.

tbh, wollf, we can agree to disagree here, or you can have the last word/post if you liek. i can't waste too much time here since i need to get back at Az.

Eh, I really don't wanna be bothered about Kit Fisto and Satele Shan of all people so agree to disagree sounds fair. GG.

kk, gewd discussion that wasn't purely cancer.

Those are rare these days. We should do more, sometime. Maybe when we finish our tourneys?

sure, pick ur characters.

Do have to just do SW sh!t, tho?

we can do whatever u liek, tbh.

Yay. I'll think it over.

How about Pearl (Steven Universe) vs ToaA ?

Pearl stomps. Not even TOAA can endure that much salt.

Originally posted by Total Warrior
title says all. There are a series of matches, just write the name of the winner and if You want also the reason said character wins.

1) Yoda vs Valkorion
2) Darth Krayt vs Darth Plagueis
3) RotS Obi wan Kenobi vs Cade Skywalker
4) DoE Bane vs Wrath II
5) Darth Zannah vs DD Ventress
6) K'Kruhk vs S3 Kanan Jarrus
7) DD Quinlan Vos vs Darth Marr
8) Satele Shan vs Kit Fisto
9) Average PT era Jedi Knight vs Chirrut imwe (assume his staff can block lightsabers)
10) Darth Malak vs Jaina Solo

Valkorion.
Either way.
Kenobi.
Wrath.
Zannah.
K'kruhk.
DD Vos.
Shan.
Malak.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
How about Pearl (Steven Universe) vs ToaA ?

no, shit matchup.

How about my Darth Malgus vs Wollf's Count Dooku? Or non Star Wars, my *insert random Digimon here* vs a Pokemon or YGO character of his choosing? We can do a comic/vid-game matchup too, tbh.

Malgus vs Dooku seems nice, I guess, but I debate SW on a daily basis.

Hmm... what comic characters do you generally like to debate for?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
no, shit matchup.
y
I thought they would represent u.
wollf think's he's...that thing, and u think u r god.

Originally posted by Total Warrior
title says all. There are a series of matches, just write the name of the winner and if You want also the reason said character wins.

1) Yoda vs Valkorion
2) Darth Krayt vs Darth Plagueis
3) RotS Obi wan Kenobi vs Cade Skywalker
4) DoE Bane vs Wrath II
5) Darth Zannah vs DD Ventress
6) K'Kruhk vs S3 Kanan Jarrus
7) DD Quinlan Vos vs Darth Marr
8) Satele Shan vs Kit Fisto
9) Average PT era Jedi Knight vs Chirrut imwe (assume his staff can block lightsabers)
10) Darth Malak vs Jaina Solo

Valkorion
Plagueis
Cade
Bane
Zannah
K'Kruhk
Marr
Satele
Not sure
Jaina

Yoda's laughing his arthritis off at anyone who think valk stands a chance vs him

Yoda gets drained or zapped by Valk, yeah.

You mean how a more powerful Sidious drained or zapped him? Seems legit.

palpatine used drain against him, and his lightning did overwhelm Yoda in the end.


Plus Valkorion's lighting > Palpatine's.

F-ucking hilarious. You should take that shit to a comedy tour.

^^

Yoda destroys him in CQC, while Valk attempts to drain him, tbh.

no case, per usual, smh.

sit at the kiddy and let adults discuss what your inferior skills aren't capable of.

Because your case was f-ucking compelling. I'd challenge you on a CaV but you wouldn't respond

If Yoda stomps Valkorion and Valkorion > Novel Vitiate who is > Revan, then Revan is sub Dooku, which would make Nyriss fooder tier, which would make Meetra Surik sub fooder padawan. I approve.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
If Yoda stomps Valkorion and Valkorion > Novel Vitiate who is > Revan, then Revan is sub Dooku, which would make Nyriss fooder tier, which would make Meetra Surik sub fooder padawan. I approve.

The f-uck is fooder?

Zoltan:

i offered reasons, you did nothing but shit a>b>c logic like a db ***. as for a cav, depends on how long the post are. I debated and responded to wollf in timely fashion yesterday.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
The f-uck is fooder?

Fooder are usually unnamed Jedi/Sith who are killed with single blows or ragdolled/fried/choked easily by the protagonists.

Originally posted by TenebrousWay
Fooder are usually unnamed Jedi/Sith who are killed with single blows or ragdolled/fried/choked easily by the protagonists.
You mean Fodder?
Did you created one btw?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
You mean Fodder?
Did you created one btw?

English isn't my first language, tbh.
Not yet. I'm lazy.

This was your reason DC:

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Plus Valkorion's lighting > Palpatine's.

Then you shit on us for not making a case. If you call that one a case, well then here's mine:

RotS Sidious > TPM Sidious > Plagueis > Valkorion.

nah - you made the shit a>b>c logic case first, I only responded in kind.

plus, still no answer for drain, and bringing up a non instance between him and sidious is shit debating, even by ur standards.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
palpatine used drain against him

???

I meant never, my mistake.

As far as we know, Yoda has zero special resistance against drain unless we believe he learned it from Anakin. It was made painfully clear he would have been doomed by the Dark Reaper, and Skywalker was the only one that was able to stop it.

True, but it might be kinda hard for Valkorion to drain Yoda when he has a green plasma stick in his ass

And also, Palpatine never overwhelmed Yoda's tutaminis with lightning.

Originally posted by Azronger
True, but it might be kinda hard for Valkorion to drain Yoda when he has a green plasma stick in his ass

Good thing Valkorion could just block his strikes.



Originally posted by Azronger
And also, Palpatine never overwhelmed Yoda's tutaminis with lightning.

What would you call that explosion at the end of Yoda v Palpatine, then?

Originally posted by Azronger
And also, Palpatine never overwhelmed Yoda's tutaminis with lightning.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
nah - you made the shit a>b>c logic case first, I only responded in kind.

plus, still no answer for drain, and bringing up a non instance between him and sidious is shit debating, even by ur standards.

It's not shitty abc logic. Sidious is more powerful, more knowledgable and so significantly more skilled than Valkorion that it's not even funny anymore. Valkorion's only way to beat Yoda would be through the force, for which he's not powerful enough.

And kek at Valkorion draining Yoda when he couldn't do it to the shitlander.

Still, no actual arguments aside from DBZ scaling. Clearly, you're aren't worth my, or anyone else time for that matter.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Good thing Valkorion could just block his strikes.

Nah.



Both of them being unable to contain their collective power.

Let me know when you actually made an argument yourself...aside from sucking your own dick and thinking your perceived debating skill in and off itself means you are right

Originally posted by Azronger
Both of them being unable to contain their collective power. Official sources state otherwise.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Official sources state otherwise.

Official sources also support it

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Let me know when you actually made an argument yourself.

I mean, everything i say goes in one ear and out the other with you. i'm not for making cases that is only going to be laughed off, in favor of dbz like-power scaling while ignoring how well the combatants match-up against each other.

Show you'll actually take this serious and not turn it into a one-liner competition.


Originally posted by cs_zoltan
..aside from sucking your own dick and thinking your perceived debating skill in and off itself means you are right

Clearly - character defamation here - and clearly, not how i think. you're a babe so i'll forgive regardless.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
RotS Sidious > TPM Sidious > Plagueis > Valkorion. This. Forever.

Originally posted by Geistalt
This. Forever.

Oh and don't forget Darth Revan > Darth Bane > Valkorion.

Anybody who actually thinks Plagueis > Valkorion, clearly has no ability to measure feats.

Absorbing the power of stars shits on everything Plagueis ever did.

Originally posted by AncientPower
Oh and don't forget Darth Revan > Darth Bane > Valkorion.
Where did that come from?

Valkorion solidly
Plagueis
Prolly Kenobi, great fight
Bane, great fight
Zannah in an excellent fight, could see Ventress winning if she can get the upper hand early in a duel
K'Kruhk
Leaning Marr
If Satele can abuse her Force advantage she takes it for sure, otherwise Kit in a good fight
Tbh leaning Chirrut, though idk if he can deal with TK
Malak would beat Jaina Solo, but Solo Fel would win