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Zekk vs Qui-Gon Jin

Battlefield: the "Invisible Hand" falling apart and falling down in Coruscant orbit/atmosphere.

Qui Gon pwns him.

Jinn is likely the superior swordsman, but Zekk is certainly the superior Force user.

Either way, honestly.

Originally posted by MythLord
Jinn is likely the superior swordsman, but Zekk is certainly the superior Force user.

Either way, honestly.
Raisons?

Focal point of a Force Storm.

Beat the Shadow Academy version of Sirak. Became the Shadow Academy's top dog. Etc etc

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Raisons?

Zekk was:
- counted amongst the Deadly Dozen; beings that embodied the power of the Dark Sider(other names on this list are Joruus C'baoth, Brakiss, Kueller, Exar Kun, Darth Vader, Ulic Qel-Droma, Lumiya, Sidious and the likes)
- was the focal point of a massive Force Storm and without him the thing fell apart(thus proving he was the guy mainly controlling it)
- bested the top students of both Brakiss' Academy and the proteges of the Nightsisters
- was "the Darkest Knight", i.e. the top dog of the academy
- gave Jaina grief(Jaina at this stage was capable of more-or-less stalemating Jacen)

This is all more than a decade pre-prime, as well.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Qui Gon pwns him.

Originally posted by MythLord
Zekk was:
- counted amongst the Deadly Dozen; beings that embodied the power of the Dark Sider(other names on this list are Joruus C'baoth, Brakiss, Kueller, Exar Kun, Darth Vader, Ulic Qel-Droma, Lumiya, Sidious and the likes)
- was the focal point of a massive Force Storm and without him the thing fell apart(thus proving he was the guy mainly controlling it)
- bested the top students of both Brakiss' Academy and the proteges of the Nightsisters
- was "the Darkest Knight", i.e. the top dog of the academy
- gave Jaina grief(Jaina at this stage was capable of more-or-less stalemating Jacen)

This is all more than a decade pre-prime, as well.
Yeah, none of this puts Zekk above Barriss Offee, rofl.

Yo Myth might posting that deadly dozen thing? i haven't found the source for it myself .

Originally posted by Deronn_solo

About what do you laugh, exactly?

b/c the implication that zek is superior to jinn, tbh.

Zekk seems rather good tbh.

none of those accolades/feats place him above jinn, though.

beating trainees is yawn-tier.

being counted among the deadly dozen isn't all that great when you consider the context of the time period.

humbling anoon > stalemating jaina.

I don't think he's above Jinn either, but Bariss is imo definietly below him, force wise.

The Trainee feats seems rather impressive, considering what Wollf told me, but I want a quote.

Depends on the quote, imo.

I can agree with that.

They're not. Zekk and his academy is from the series when Jacen and Jaina are kids, rofl. Not even Jedi Knights, let alone Master-level.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
They're not.
They're not what, exactly?
And who's they lol

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Yo Myth might posting that deadly dozen thing? i haven't found the source for it myself .

Check Galaxy Magazine 8, I think. It's the poster-article thing.

So new.

Originally posted by MythLord
Check Galaxy Magazine 8, I think. It's the poster-article thing.
If Wookiepedia is right, it is shit tbh

yeah, it was released in a time period were very few dark siders existed in legends continuity, lmao.

zekk kinda got there by default, tbh.

IIRC, quite a few existed. That being said, they don't really seem to ranked by strenght.
Or else Zekk > Gethzerion and Sedriss ,and possibly even above Sadow, Kressh and Ragnos.

Edit: Not sure if the TotJ Comics were released prior.

very few were actually explored and most of, if not all, of them listed were dark siders luke and co. encountered personally, or had mutual ties with.

Obviously.
Can we just agree that the writer of the article is a retard, for placing Zekk, Hethir, Trainee Lumiya etc. above Gethzerion (if it goes power-wise), and Wollf a for using it?

and y in the **** did they list reborn palpatine and the emperor as two separate entities?

.

Maybe bcz one is Palpatine and one is Tempest?
Or bcz the author was to dumb to include 12 chars.

I have no clue how Ulic or Naga Sadow had mutual ties with Luke, lmao.

Regardless, despite the fact that very few Dark Siders existed, among them were Ragnos, Kressh, Exar, Ulic, Joruus C'baoth, Jorus C'baoth and the likes -- all of whom were well-documented at the time of 1998(I think that's when this is published).
Zekk being ranked among this echelon of Force users is damn impressive.

keyword here being "almost". And Ulic had ties with Kun, who was listed as Luke's most deadly enemy per his own admission. So, mutual.



Yes, you basically listed all of then known at that time period - Zekk was listed because, besides him, who else would/could be listed?



Not really. Very little was known of Ragnos during that time period, tbh. And it was 96, actually - so damn archaic it listed Palpatine twice.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
keyword here being "almost". And Ulic had ties with Kun, who was listed as Luke's most deadly enemy per his own admission. So, mutual.

Now tell me Sadow's connection to Luke, please. Regardless, the entire article was about the twelve embodiments of the Dark Side within the SW mythos, not just the ones Luke faced. It simply lists a lot of characters Luke interacted with because most of those were the MVP Dark Siders of the time.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Yes, you basically listed all of then known at that time period - Zekk was listed because, besides him, who else would/could be listed?

Ludo Kressh, Marka Ragnos, Freedon Nadd, Sedriss, Jerec(I think?), etc.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Not really. Very little was known of Ragnos during that time period, tbh. And it was 96, actually - so damn archaic it listed Palpatine twice.

Ragnos was still considered above Naga and Ludo at the time, and it only lists Sheev twice if you go off the Wookiepedia article. The actual poster-article itself lists Palpatine just once, IIRC.

Originally posted by MythLord
Now tell me Sadow's connection to Luke, please .
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
keyword here being "almost".

Great; I addressed that already. Just because most of them had ties with Luke means Luke just met a bunch of OP Dark Siders, not that the article is primarily focusing on Luke's life story.

Everyone but you and Fates sees the accolade as bullshit and I'm not gonna run around in circles explaining to your hard head again.

If you believe Zekk is anywhere near the guys listed, then be my guest, lmao.

Originally posted by MythLord
Great; I addressed that already.
Not really, tbh. Only when you mean the "Luke met many strong people" - part. But even then, you still asked that:




I dunno.

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That being said, they are obviously not the strongest DS that were created back then.
Guys like Zekk, and RotJ Lumiya should be all firmy below Gethzerion, Ragnos, Sedriss etc.

And:
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Everyone but you and Fates sees the accolade as bullshit and I'm not gonna run around in circles explaining to your hard head again.

If you believe Zekk is anywhere near the guys listed, then be my guest, lmao.
I dunno if Fated even really knew about the article.
Personally, I take it as a very impressive accolade, kinda like the "most powerful Jedi" ones, but not that they are the 12MVP Darksider of this time.

@Deronn

So far only you are the only one on this thread who voiced against it.

If your only argument is based on arbitrary ranking of characters and "herr, its only people who came in contact with Luke!" then be my guest. But it hardly disproves the accolade in any way.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Not really, tbh. Only when you mean the "Luke met many strong people" - part. But even then, you still asked that:

Yes, I asked because his argument is "it's mostly peeps who met Luke". That doesn't mean the article is exclusive to anyone who Luke came in contact with, hence why someone like Naga Sadow is there.

It's a flimsy argument.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Guys like Zekk, and RotJ Lumiya should be all firmy below Gethzerion, Ragnos, Sedriss etc.

That's not the point I'm making. My point is if Zekk can be counted within the echelon when there's other Dark Siders that weren't(such as Ludo Kressh and the likes) then that's a really solid accolade as a Force user to be considered an embodiment of the Dark Side alongside the likes of Brakiss and Kueller.

Let me just mention that I don't think Zekk is ~ Ulic Qel-Droma or Exar Kun.
Just that the accolade is valid and incredibly impressive.

Originally posted by MythLord
Yes, I asked because his argument is "it's mostly peeps who met Luke". That doesn't mean the article is exclusive to anyone who Luke came in contact with, hence why someone like Naga Sadow is there.
Yeah, and he said "almost".

I can understand what he tries to say, but it's kinda strange, yeah. But so was yours, tbh
Ah, kk' then. It just sounded like that, tbh.

Brakiss is mad underrated btw.
Did Naga's best feat without a amp

Edited btw.

Originally posted by MythLord
If your only argument is based on arbitrary ranking of characters and "herr, its only people who came in contact with Luke!" then be my guest.

Clearly that isn't my argument, lmao. Sometimes, I wonder if you can even read properly.

Yet, that's very much your argument at it's core.

BTW, I've begon work on my Kao RT and am editting it as we speak.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Everyone but you and Fates sees the accolade as bullshit and I'm not gonna run around in circles explaining to your hard head again.

If you believe Zekk is anywhere near the guys listed, then be my guest, lmao.

I just asked if I could see the accolade because I've searched the same source and never found it.

I never said I believe it, DC. Don't make assumptions lol

No, it was an aside, not the crux.

And you would have me believe you're gonna be a doctor with those comprehension skills? Wouldn't want you doing shit to me, tbh.

There is a G+ group you would may like, DC

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
No, it was an aside, not the crux.

The crux being that the quote is archaic?

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
And you would have me believe you're gonna be a doctor with those comprehension skills? Wouldn't want you doing shit to me, tbh.

Trust me, you would. I have very nimble fingers. Huehue

Originally posted by Ursumeles
There is a G+ group you would may like, DC

Translation - you want to invite me to your clown fest, right?

Or you can chat with just Urs privately. Or any one member privately. It's more efficient than PMs.

I mean, I wouldn't be opposed to Urs' offer either way tbh.

Originally posted by MythLord
Or you can chat with just Urs privately. KEK. So funny.

urs sounds like a pervert, tbh.

You haven't been in a private chat with me, Beni or Fated often, tbh.

Now that's perverted.

yeah, i don't want that image in my minds eye.

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
urs sounds like a pervert, tbh.
Why?
I am one of the more normal ones there.
Join, tho.
Because
https://media.giphy.com/media/hUm3VvUwQ9PrO/giphy.gif

sure urs, sign me up.

Go here:

https://hangouts.google.com/

And look up the people I send you a PM of.

Use me as partner tbh.
Wollf will manipulate you. Ask Syn.

I can only manipulate the weak minded, hence why I used you and Syn.

The only thing I'll use Deronn for is, well... hehe; that's a secret.

Originally posted by MythLord
You haven't been in a private chat with me, Beni or Fated often, tbh.

Now that's perverted.

You can't compare two prostitutes being pimped by Daddy Jermaine to a world class escort that gets to choose to service some very curious royalties and business men.(think Suits meets GoT) like me.

Although Truthfully. My flirtations are either borderline funny and super sexual when I'm joking. Or seductive and subtle when serious.

Originally posted by MythLord
Go here:

https://hangouts.google.com/

And look up the people I send you a PM of.

Better not have me on that ****ing list you ****

I don't; relax.