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Since Batman wins because "he is Batman" this is not a straight up match.

How many seconds does Kenshiro last?

Bonus Scenario:

Batman fights every named character in Fist of the North Star at once. How long do they last before Batman crushes them?

Originally posted by Sharivan
Since Batman wins because "he is Batman" this is not a straight up match.

How many seconds does Kenshiro last?

Bonus Scenario:

Batman fights every named character in Fist of the North Star at once. How long do they last before Batman crushes them?

Bat-pieces are strewn all over the battlefield!

RIP BATMAN

Originally posted by LordofBrooklyn
Bat-pieces are strewn all over the battlefield!

RIP BATMAN

Kenshiro gets bat kicked.

After all Batman is faster than the Flash, and stronger than Wonder Woman.

A single kick is all it takes, and Kenshiro isn't fast enough to use musou tensei in time.

After all he is not faster than light.

Not that it matters because musou tensei won't work against Batman because he's Batman.

As confirmed by such reputable and excellent debaters such as abhilegend.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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And Leo, StiltmanFTW, Dark Saint, and a bunch of others agree. After all, they could never possibly be wrong.

Hey, he knows a bazillion martial arts of course he is faster than light and can break planets in half with his biceps!

Batman is faster than a bloodlusted Superman's HV.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Batman is faster than a bloodlusted Superman's HV.

Yes, and we also know that Deathstroke the Terminator is able to knee-cap Kid Flash with a shotgun and get the drop on the Flash who would literally perceive him as little more than a statue.

It's so wonderful how comic book writers don't care about what characters are actually capable of.

That they turn Batman who is supposed to be the world's greatest detective, and the peak human underdog with no explicit superpowers into some other guy who is faster than light and snaps planets in half like twigs.

What wonderful A-class writing.

He's about as much Batman as Crazy Steve from All-Star Batman is.

Oh this is one of thooose threads

Not just writers, artists too!

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As you can see, the HV is already travelling towards Bats. Supes is obviously out to harm him.

And Bats can still dodge him

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not just writers, artists too!

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As you can see, the HV is already travelling towards Bats. Supes is obviously out to harm him.

And Bats can still dodge him

Yes, and that is totally in line with the fact Batman is not supposed to have any superpowers and is supposed to be street level. Nor has any cybernetics, chi, speed force, power cosmic, or anything along those lines. As well as the fact he is not igniting the Earth's atmosphere with how fast he is moving with conventional speed.

No contradictions there.

Just like how Squirrel Girl can defeat Thanos, and is listed as a match for the likes of the Living Tribunal. Those squirrels are so hardcore.

Speaking of that there must be dozens of street level characters who are faster than light. After all there are plenty of people who can keep up with Batman!

Originally posted by Sharivan
Yes, and that is totally in line with the fact Batman is not supposed to have any superpowers and is supposed to be street level. Nor has any cybernetics, chi, speed force, power cosmic, or anything along those lines. As well as the fact he is not igniting the Earth's atmosphere with how fast he is moving with conventional speed.

No contradictions there.

Just like how Squirrel Girl can defeat Thanos, and is listed as a match for the likes of the Living Tribunal. Those squirrels are so hardcore.

Speaking of that there must be dozens of street level characters who are faster than light. After all there are plenty of people who can keep up with Batman!


Hey, I just post the (canon) scans. Not my fault comic writers don't sit down with biology/physics textbooks and work out what is or isn't possible.

If it tells a story, and looks visually cool - we roll with it. The whole concept of Batman is not humanly possible, so not sure why you draw the line here.......

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Hey, I just post the (canon) scans. Not my fault comic writers don't sit down with biology/physics textbooks and work out what is or isn't possible.

It doesn't have to follow in line with physics after all it's fiction.

The problem is that fights between characters who are A) popular B) cash cows C) in the mainstream D) put on a pedestal always get their push.

It's like wrestling even if it doesn't make sense John Cena wins.

Which is applicable if we're using the context of a story, and not a match up between them separated from any plot induced stupidity or character induced stupidity.

Particulary when their showings outside of direct confrontations, and the narrative greatly contradict those fights.

Otherwise, there is no way to ever reach an objective conclusion.

I could use that same scene to say Superman's heat vision is slower than light-speed, and can't hit an established peak human. Whose feats of speed generally consist of dodging bullets.

It goes both ways.



That's interesting considering that fights between characters are the most unreliable source to use for comic books due to how ridiculous they are, and are written by the metaphorical equivalent of six year olds arguing whose dad can beat yours.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not just writers, artists too!

https://598d5fcf392acad97538-395e64798090ee0a3a571e8c148d44f2.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/13807187_the-power-of-friendship-and-killer-frost_t73f6e933.jpg

As you can see, the HV is already travelling towards Bats. Supes is obviously out to harm him.

And Bats can still dodge him

Literally the best speed feat of any street leveler.

Literally the worst feat for Superman's heat vision.

He can't even hit a peak human with it.

In before "well, it's a laser and heat vision. Of course it's light-speed."

Which is going to come from the same guys who say physics don't matter in comic books.

That, or use other feats to prove it is light-speed despite the fact they go primarily by fights instead of feats.

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As you can clearly see Deathstroke is so much faster than light.

Originally posted by Sharivan

As you can clearly see Deathstroke is so much faster than light.

You can't ignore fights, though.

Who is stronger, Batman or the Living Tribunal?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85 You can't ignore fights, though.

You can when they make positively no sense, and are supported by nothing outside of any fights.



Depends does someone in the immediate vicinity by the name of James Gordon say "because he's Batman" as one particular writer uses him as his mouthpiece?

If so 10/10 in Batman's favor. As you already know.

After all, as you said the very concept of Batman doesn't make sense. Therefore he has no limitations. Instead of going by what he has accomplished outside of his fights.

Now that would be silly.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Literally the worst feat for Superman's heat vision.

He can't even hit a peak human with it. Nah, it's a good feat for Superman that Batman even had to put effort to dodge the HV.

😂😂😂

Originally posted by deathslash
nice to see a new poster (unless you're a sock). Just a friendly piece of advice, you probably shouldn't be posting in an obvious bait thread.

On topic; Kenshiro destroys batman.

Yes, because Kenshiro is faster than light and can destroy planets.

Just like Batman.

Originally posted by Sharivan
Since Batman wins because "he is Batman" this is not a straight up match.

How many seconds does Kenshiro last?

Bonus Scenario:

Batman fights every named character in Fist of the North Star at once. How long do they last before Batman crushes them?

Batman dies.

Originally posted by Surtur
Kenshiro is not either of those things, but he can still kill Batman with a single poke of his finger.

The good answer is:

Batman can destroy Iron Fist very easily with a Dim Mak touch because he is more skilled than him and tactically superior.

Kenshiro would destroy Iron Fist effortlessly while taking a nap between two attacks. Iron Fist can't even hope to scratch Kenshiro's clothes.

Originally posted by Surtur
Kenshiro is not either of those things, but he can still kill Batman with a single poke of his finger.



Well that is how Tim Drake & Dick Grayson bring Batman down

Wait Batman can beat Iron Fist now?

Originally posted by Surtur
Wait Batman can beat Iron Fist now?

Why not ?

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Why not ?

He shrugs off explosions and can wreck a hellicarrier with a single punch that sends out an energy flare? And is a bullet timer?

Originally posted by Surtur
He shrugs off explosions

If you are referring to the train feat, Iron Fist passed through the train like a bullet, he wasn't caught in the explosion at all.

The explosion wasn't specially powerful by the way.

None of the Hydra guys in the immediate vicinity of Iron Fist were completely unharmed too meaning that the area was safe.



The damages to the hull were minimal so the schockwave perturbed the navigation instrument. That's a good feat but it is way way way overestimated.




Like all street-levelers and that's not an argument.

Danny has a lot of bad match-ups against guys at Batman-level skills like Wolverine or Captain America.

So wait, all street levelers are bullet timers now? As in, they full on Batgirl'ed some bullets?

Also, you say the feat for the hellicarrier is good but overestimated. Okay fair enough. Batman gets struck with the same amount of force, what happens?

Originally posted by Surtur
So wait, all street levelers are bullet timers now? As in, they full on Batgirl'ed some bullets?

Quote several that aren't then ^^




That's not on me to prove what the Iron Fist will do to Batman.

For the record, IF was incapable to one-shot Black Panther.

Originally posted by Surtur
So wait, all street levelers are bullet timers now? As in, they full on Batgirl'ed some bullets?

Also, you say the feat for the hellicarrier is good but overestimated. Okay fair enough. Batman gets struck with the same amount of force, what happens? cue golgo posting scans of batman getting hit by wonder woman and oneshotting grundy while calling it his average.

Originally posted by deathslash
cue golgo posting scans of batman getting hit by wonder woman and oneshotting grundy while calling it his average.

Batman has a good record against superhumans.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Batman has a good record against superhumans. yes and yet he still has a fairly average one against normal human who are either crazy, have advanced tech, or are masters of martial arts.

Originally posted by deathslash
yes and yet he still has a fairly average one against normal human who are either crazy, have advanced tech, or are masters of martial arts.

And he is more skilled than Danny.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
And he is more skilled than Danny. you happen to have any legitimate proof of that? Last time I checked, he got owned hard by KGBeast, lost miserably to Lady Shiva, got casually beaten by bronze tiger, got beaten on by catman, got beaten on by bane (a guy that taught himself how to fight), usually gets stabbed two to three times whenever he fights the joker, and occasionally has trouble with his other rogues (most of whom have no formal training or skill to speak of).

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Quote several that aren't then ^^




That's not on me to prove what the Iron Fist will do to Batman.

For the record, IF was incapable to one-shot Black Panther.

While he was wearing a vibranium suit that tanked multiple hits from Iron Man and Namor. And he still beat him so badly, he caused brain damage resulting in an inoperable aneurysm.

Take away the suit (and comic book PIS), and T'challa would have died in one hit.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
Quote several that aren't then ^^

I don't consider Batman or any of the Bat family to be bullet timers(besides Cassandra Cain).

Besides that, I had always thought that physically IF was at least around Spider-Man level, but maybe I am wrong.



But if you are saying Batman wins you need to prove he can survive IF's more powerful attack. It's not like Batman can take IF out before he gets an attack off.

As for Black Panther, doesn't he wear armor made out of nearly indestructible metal?

Originally posted by deathslash
you happen to have any legitimate proof of that? Last time I checked, he got owned hard by KGBeast, lost miserably to Lady Shiva, got casually beaten by bronze tiger, got beaten on by catman, got beaten on by bane (a guy that taught himself how to fight), usually gets stabbed two to three times whenever he fights the joker, and occasionally has trouble with his other rogues (most of whom have no formal training or skill to speak of).

All the guy you quoted are very skilled in combat so it's not a low showing to lose to them.

Batman has taken down superhuman with just his skill. Danny usually need to rely on his Iron Fist to have a chance.

Originally posted by cdtm
While he was wearing a vibranium suit that tanked multiple hits from Iron Man and Namor. And he still beat him so badly, he caused brain damage resulting in an inoperable aneurysm.

Take away the suit (and comic book PIS), and T'challa would have died in one hit.

As far as I remember Danny was amped by the Dragon or something on that order.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't consider Batman or any of the Bat family to be bullet timers(besides Cassandra Cain).

Batman is roughly the same that other street-levelers concerning bullet timing.



Nope.

Danny is an athlete at base level.

Peak human when he summons his own Chi.

Enhanced human when it comes to his durability.

His striking power is greatly enhanced by the Chi of Shou-Lao.

Spider-man is superhuman in all stats.




Tanking attacks of Grundy, Wonder Woman and all should be enough I guess.




The Vibranium absorb kinetic damages but Iron Fist was enhanced by the Dragon.

It goes both ways. Danny doesn't usually strike like that (the helicarrier and train) and Batman doesn't usually tank hits from superhumans. But Batman might tank superhuman hits more than IF does hits like that.

Anyway, Batman is superhuman due to chi. He has mastered Chi from the secret monks which increases physical stats beyond human level.
Anyway Batman loses here without a question.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
All the guy you quoted are very skilled in combat so it's not a low showing to lose to them.

Batman has taken down superhuman with just his skill. Danny usually need to rely on his Iron Fist to have a chance.



As far as I remember Danny was amped by the Dragon or something on that order. you're joking right? Danny became the Iron Fist because he's skilled not because of his chi. You do realize that a good 60-70% of batman's victories have been achieved because of his gadgets and tech right? Discounting Danny's skill because of his chi and iron fist is like discounting batman because of his gadgets and armor.

Originally posted by deathslash
you're joking right? Danny became the Iron Fist because he's skilled not because of his chi. You do realize that a good 60-70% of batman's victories have been achieved because of his gadgets and tech right? Discounting Danny's skill because of his chi and iron fist is like discounting batman because of his gadgets and armor.

I'm not discounting Danny's skill.

I'm just saying that Batman is better than him.

When has Iron Fist taking out superhumans with nerve strikes ?

Batman has a lot of feats on that order IIRC.

Originally posted by Surtur
He shrugs off explosions and can wreck a hellicarrier with a single punch that sends out an energy flare? And is a bullet timer?

None of those feats are as good as the feat of being batman.

Originally posted by RealityWarper
I'm not discounting Danny's skill.

I'm just saying that Batman is better than him.

When has Iron Fist taking out superhumans with nerve strikes ?

Batman has a lot of feats on that order IIRC.

Claremont era, he used double knife edges on the sides of the neck and other vital strikes all the time against enhanced humans.

He took out Warhawk with a series of non Iron Fist amped martial arts strikes, and he has the same stats as Cage because a similar but earlier process, with the only difference being it made his skin look like steel instead of simply being as hard as steel.

Wrecking Crew all went down to regular strikes, except for Cannonball.

Iron Fist Killer was physically superior to Cage, yet Danny had the upper hand without channeling his Iron Fist (Required to bypass his "precog", as he read through use of that chi. At least up until the IFK leapt right into the final decapitation, anyways.)

Scorpion was being kicked around with normal kicks, as well. His Iron Fist was only brought out to shatter his tail.

Steel Serpent was defeated with nothing but technique the second time he stole Danny's dragon chi, which the narration described in detail.

And of course, there's Shou Lao himself. He had nothing but his skill against the dragon, and had to earn his Iron Fist.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Batman dies. Originally posted by Surtur
Kenshiro is not either of those things, but he can still kill Batman with a single poke of his finger.

It's called "sarcasm."

Originally posted by Sharivan
Kenshiro gets bat kicked. The Batkick would kill batman

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Batman wouldnt stand a ****ing chance lmao.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
The Batkick would kill batman

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In fact, Kenshiro triggered the mob's pressure-point when he hit him with his elbow.

His death happens a few seconds later when his head is supposed to explode but that's coincidental (and fun)

Kenshiro could probably beat Superman.

So yeah, Batman pwns

Originally posted by cdtm
Kenshiro could probably beat Superman.

Yep.




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