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Aquaman

Vs

Spiderman
Venom
Carnage
Lizard
Green Goblin
Rhino
Doc Oc
Electro

Aquaman gets destroyed.

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Aquaman

Vs

Spiderman
Venom
Carnage
Lizard
Green Goblin
Rhino
Doc Oc
Electro

At the same time? As best as I can recall, the only ones that should really give him trouble are the symbiotes.

Unless guys like Electro are more powerful than I remember.

Oh noes, electricity! Poor Arthur!

http://pre08.deviantart.net/3d3c/th/pre/f/2015/285/0/1/aquaman_lightning_by_madfacedkid-d9cwl15.jpg

He has been electrocuted before

Preboot Aquaman has been hit by actual lightning and been fine, but I don't know where Aquaman is atm. Is he still New 52? What's rebirth doing?

Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Aquaman

Vs

Spiderman
Venom
Carnage
Lizard
Green Goblin
Rhino
Doc Oc
Electro

He should one, two or three piece oc, connors, norman, parker. Not sure if electro can affect him but he is more powerful than earlier depictions. Venom can give him a run if its Brock. Cassidy should beat him with symbiote control though

Most of them get oneshotted. If AC isn't limited to Post-Flashpoint, he drops them with TP and if his trident is composite he oneshots all of them.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Most of them get oneshotted. If AC isn't limited to Post-Flashpoint, he drops them with TP and if his trident is composite he oneshots all of them.

U think he can one shot carnage?

Team stomp

Originally posted by Sin I AM
U think he can one shot carnage?

What's Carnage done to suggest he can't.

TP resistance feats?
Lightning/Freeze resistance feats?

Hell what do they have in regards to durability? Superman has shown he feels Aquaman's hits, same with MM.

He's oneshotted a full powered Power Ring/w Volthoom. As well as Olympian with Herc's fleece who should at the very least be around that level.

I also don't see anyone taking his trident. And he's consistently dodged lightning attacks, as well as said to have lightning reflexes.

So I see no one on the team harming him.

Superman feels getting hit by a tractor. That means nothing

I could use Venom takes hits from Juggernaut.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Superman feels getting hit by a tractor. That means nothing

That's some Carver-level logic right there.

That's the best logic though.

So? Im tired and cant rely on real logic so I'm going with mathmagical equations and Carver logic ftw

IAnd I didnt say Hulk wins an Aquaman vs Spiderman vilians fight so I will bust out Quanchi logic if you force me.

The team'll take this more often than not.

Originally posted by carver9
That's the best logic though.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
So? Im tired and cant rely on real logic so I'm going with mathmagical equations and Carver logic ftw

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
IAnd I didnt say Hulk wins an Aquaman vs Spiderman vilians fight so I will bust out Quanchi logic if you force me.

lol.

Spiderman villains shitstomp.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
I could use Venom takes hits from Juggernaut.

He's also been torn out by both Namor and Ms Marvel...

Spiderman is able to consistently fight Venom..

So that's pretty faulty.

Aquaman should be faster, stronger, and more durable then anyone on this team. Their numbers hardly mean shit.


If you want me to do one up Aquaman has made team busters like Titus feel his hits when Hal and Barry couldn't get much of his Acknowledgement. He also broke Graves Pretas armor with his trident which noone on the main league seemed capable of doing.

Don't go full fangirl, Aquaman is just starting to regain some respect.

i'm with phil.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can you explain why? I'm genuinely curious, as like I said before, I'm not as caught up on Spider-Man. Almost any on that list would be a good fight, one on one, for Aquaman. Arthur has good fights with Black Manta, and he's basically a Spiderman villain in power level. In fact, I'd give at least half of that list a majority against Black Manta, hard.

Arthur doesn't have any showings to show he'd take this group. The only thing he has going for him is strength.

So...you didn't see he can now manipulate weather? And has a trident that can f*ck up Darkseid and other high end beings/enchantments/armors/etc...? And is strong enough to make Superman and Manhunter take notice?

You seem to think this is Super Friends Aquaman or something who can only talk to fish and pose dramatically.

Originally posted by KingD19
You seem to think this is Super Friends Aquaman or something who can only talk to fish and pose dramatically. I've read more Aquaman comics than you, and the one I'm talking about so happens to be the one in the comics.

Maybe you should pick them up.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can you explain why? I'm genuinely curious, as like I said before, I'm not as caught up on Spider-Man.
Not speaking for Phil, but i believe the team wins, too.
The numbers game and relative power levels pretty much favor the team winning.
You have several class 25 and above characters, some with unreal agility and ways to pin Aquaman down to boot. Thats not even counting the one dumb brick, the savage brick who also has agility, the gadgeteer, the guy with tentacles that can and has held down top tiers, the energy user...

Originally posted by -Pr-
I guess I just have to disagree, then. Unless he's changed since Rebirth and I missed it. Would you give Namor the win against this team?

I wouldnt.

I'm not highballing Arthur... Highballing is pretending Venom consistently is able to hang with Juggs. That's no offense kind of silly.

Most of the team are ineffective here, cause honestly whats Carnage and Venom suppose to do with Arthur?

What about Electro? Aquaman's trident absorbs energy...

Who else is here can do anything even relevant here? Cause I'm honestly not seeing it. If Aquaman fights competently he takes it pretty fast. I honestly cant think of a scenario on how the team comes up with a win..

It's funny cause it's typically stated Aquaman holds back against Manta in their fights. Manta even has weapons designed to harm Aquaman being his rogue and all. The team isn't designed like that. Out of all of Aquaman's rogues Manta is the weakest... and your pretending thats consistent and ignoring the context.. it's not consistent...

Neither is Venom vs Juggs..

Originally posted by -Pr-
If the symbiotes weren't present, sure. With them? No.

That's what I'm asking though, which is relevant to this:



Have these guys:

Lizard
Green Goblin
Rhino
Doc Oc
Electro

Gotten upgrades that I'm not aware of? If they have, that's cool. I'd just like to know how etc.

Exactly most of them are fodder... Aquaman during the Thule arc was physically manhandling a group of class 100's and we're pretending that characters way under that strength range can do better because numbers..

You:

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm not highballing Arthur

Also you:

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I honestly cant think of a scenario on how the team comes up with a win..

Heads up: you're ruining his reputation by being absurd.

Aquaman consistently has problems with Black Manta.

Spiderman alone would shitstomp Black Manta.

Don't make me pull their fights.

How about f*cking Catman having faster combat speed and slicing him up? How does that bode for Spiderman vs Aquaman? Or Venom vs Aquaman?

http://i65.tinypic.com/2rp8or9.jpg

Like I said, don't get me started. Aquaman has a good reputation on the forum, don't force me to stomp that.

For all the attempts in the comments to make this a stomp, this is an interesting matchup. Almost everyone in the villain roster can do something to contribute to the fight. Rhino can trade blows (not saying he'd win, but it wouldn't be a one-shot). Most versions of Ock's tentacles should be able to harm Arthur. Electro's highest feats are legitimately scary...like, beyond what we think of as Spidey-level stuff. Pete can obviously prolong fights with his agility and precog and hamper opponents with webs. The symbiotes pose various issues as well.

OP also - perhaps wisely, perhaps arbitrarily - left off some problematic Spidey rogues like Sandman and Hydroman.

So the onus is on Arthur to fight smart, as it is for the villains because he can of course pick them off one by one or two by two. But I do think a combined assault would overwhelm and kill Arthur pretty cleanly. So it's a matter of how you see the fight going down. I think eventually Arthur has to get dragged into some kind of brawl, and the combined speed of the opponents won't let him pick his spots as cleanly as he'd like. He'd get some licks in, probably punch off Otto or Norman's head, but ultimately get slowed by continuous webs and harried by attacks, and lose. Death by a thousand cuts, so to speak.

imo.

Gail Simone isn't a consistent writer for Aquaman...

Reference something with Johns, Parker, Abnett. Hell even Bunn's and you could see Aquaman operating better.

It's laughable at this point your lowballing given Aquaman had the Poseidon Blessing and wouldn't even have to physically try to touch Catman if he didn't want to. He had control over the wind, earth, lightning, hell even sea. Which happened to be the terrain they were in.. and your trying to suggest him having problems tagging Thomas underwater is consistent.. yeah right.

Johns had Aquaman BFR NuSuperman from a starting distance away from the group, by yards. Passing by Wonder Woman just to hit Superman.

He later went on to blitz Diana and Superman in the same arc.

He blitzed Atlan as well in the Johns run.

In the Parker run he blitzed a possessed Manhunter.

In the Bunn's run he beat up a group of CL 100 characters.

In the Abnett Run he danced around the Scavengers high tech suit.

Most of your nitpicking is going to involve nonfrequent writers or taking instances out of context. I've read enough Aquaman possibly and probably more to call you out on it. So be my guess and continue.

Why is quoting Philo broken?

Without the Trident or some form AOE attack, I'd give Venom/Carnage/Spider-Man definitely stalemating Arthur.

Team wins imo. This is potentially a very scary line up even for a mid herald imo. Sure we can use a high end portrayal of Aquaman but we can do the same for Spider-Man and he becomes a problem for Arthur himself. He's Aquaman not Hercules. He's never going to be portrayed at a level where beings of this team would be literally unable to hurt him.

Originally posted by Digi
For all the attempts in the comments to make this a stomp, this is an interesting matchup. Almost everyone in the villain roster can do something to contribute to the fight. Rhino can trade blows (not saying he'd win, but it wouldn't be a one-shot). Most versions of Ock's tentacles should be able to harm Arthur. Electro's highest feats are legitimately scary...like, beyond what we think of as Spidey-level stuff. Pete can obviously prolong fights with his agility and precog and hamper opponents with webs. The symbiotes pose various issues as well.

OP also - perhaps wisely, perhaps arbitrarily - left off some problematic Spidey rogues like Sandman and Hydroman.

So the onus is on Arthur to fight smart, as it is for the villains because he can of course pick them off one by one or two by two. But I do think a combined assault would overwhelm and kill Arthur pretty cleanly. So it's a matter of how you see the fight going down. I think eventually Arthur has to get dragged into some kind of brawl, and the combined speed of the opponents won't let him pick his spots as cleanly as he'd like. He'd get some licks in, probably punch off Otto or Norman's head, but ultimately lose.

imo.

Aquaman oneshotted King Shark who was able to fight with Superboy and Omac.

He took down Graves with the backend of his trident.

And also overpowered a group of Kryptonians under Hitch's pen.

I don't see anyone physically contending with him, especially with his trident in his possession.

I guess the assembled villains are more of a threat than I realised.

Also, Philo, what's up with the weird threat?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Without the Trident, I'd give Venom/Carnage/Spider-Man a win over Aquaman more than not imo.

Team wins imo. This is potentially a very scary line up even for a mid herald imo. Sure we can use a high end portrayal of Aquaman but we can do the same for Spider-Man and he becomes a problem for Arthur himself.

Spiderman doesn't consistently fight at a higher tier though.. Aquaman does.

Spiderman hurts his hand punching Hulk and for Christ sakes Ironman on a consistent level.

Aquaman Punches Superman and shows no sign of pain doing so..

Spidey isn't a good match for Aquaman physically on consistent basis. You'd have to rely on only highs for Spidey and ignore some showings for Arthur to make it fair.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman oneshotted King Shark who was able to fight with Superboy and Omac.

He took down Graves with the backend of his trident.

And also overpowered a group of Kryptonians under Hitch's pen.

I don't see anyone physically contending with him, especially with his trident in his possession.

But most of the characters are going to be significantly quicker than him in reaction time. The symbiotes, Pete obviously, and heck, Ock has a better track record of tagging Spidey than literally anyone, ever. And that's before a trip to Pornhub's worth of webbing to slow him down and probably some synaptic shenanigans from Electro once he realizes brute force isn't a good tactic. If you think any of their attacks can harm Aquaman - and I think it would be foolish to claim otherwise - at best he's leaving this fight severely bloodied.

lol, I can't even quote the character in my username without the forum breaking down. Now I can't even edit my last post.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Spiderman doesn't consistently fight at a higher tier though.. Aquaman does.

Spiderman hurts his hand punching Hulk and for Christ sakes Ironman on a consistent level.

Aquaman Punches Superman and shows no sign of pain doing so..

Spidey isn't a good match for Aquaman physically on consistent basis. You'd have to rely on only highs for Spidey and ignore some showings for Arthur to make it fair.

Actually, Spider-Man's record fighting someone like Aquaman and doing well is more consistent than Aquaman fighting someone like Superman and doing well from what I've seen.

Umm okay so? Even Grey Hulk when angry is noticeable more durable than Aquaman and the Green incarnation could literally rip him in half (Sentry vs. Ares style) if he was mad enough.

When has Spider-Man hurt his hand punching Iron Man? Depending on the armor and how much energy he's exerting, Iron Man is stronger and more durable (The durability part doesn't make much sense but whatever) than Aquaman.

I'm not arguing that Aquaman can't punch the shit out of Spider-Man or that Spider-Man is as strong. Don't misunderstand me, he is however faster/more agile and is strong enough that getting hit will affect him.

**** sake Philo; you and your fancy name.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Spiderman doesn't consistently fight at a higher tier though.. Aquaman does.

Sure, I agree. Which is why this is a big-ass team vs. Aquaman, not AQ v. Spidey.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Spiderman hurts his hand punching Hulk and for Christ sakes Ironman on a consistent level.

He's also got wins in canon against both of them. I wouldn't reference them in this fight, though, because I try to avoid hyperbole on either end of a character's spectrum, except when consistently displays as their power level. However, focusing on "hurt his hand" isn't helping your case in trying to convince anyone you're giving both sides a fair shake here.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Spidey isn't a good match for Aquaman physically on consistent basis. You'd have to rely on only highs for Spidey and ignore some showings for Arthur to make it fair.

But it's not just Spidey, and Pete would be an idiot to try to overpower him physically. That's not what he brings to this fight.

Originally posted by -Pr-
**** sake Philo; you and your fancy name. Who can change it, to put a normal 'i'? Only Raz ?

Originally posted by Digi
Sure, I agree. Which is why this is a big-ass team vs. Aquaman, not AQ v. Spidey.



He's also got wins in canon against both of them. I wouldn't reference them in this fight, though, because I try to avoid hyperbole on either end of a character's spectrum, except when consistently displays as their power level.



But it's not just Spidey, and Pete would be an idiot to try to overpower him physically. That's not what he brings to this fight.

Can you (please) recommend any arcs where the likes of Ock, Electro or Lizard are shown to be doing well against upper tier people?

@ Philo: Yeah, unfortunately.

Do you prevent people from quoting you, so your silliness can't be pointed out.

If a writer doesn't wrote a character consistently, their input is pretty weak on the characters capabilities.

Given Aquaman's inability to call on his other powers, or his feats of tagging characters way faster than Catman from people who write him consistently should tell why the Secret Six instance is nothing short of BS. Hell he was wearing Armor and Catman was able to cut through it with his claws..

Regardless he has more highs then lows in the Nu52 onward. So I don't understand the appeal of you trying to pretend otherwise and that this isn't a joke of a match.

In pretty much every fight with Manta, when Aquaman said he was going to end the fight.. guess what? He ended it. Manta doesn't get any hits in unless their sneak attacks, or Aquaman's fighting stupid.

Atlan, Ocean Master, Chimera, Hercules, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman all outweigh your repetitive attempts to bring up Manta and Catman.

I'd like this thread not to get filled with personal jabs, so hopefully you guys can stop before you get any more started.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Actually, Spider-Man's record fighting someone like Aquaman and doing well is more consistent than Aquaman fighting someone like Superman and doing well from what I've seen.

Umm okay so? Even Grey Hulk when angry is noticeable more durable than Aquaman and the Green incarnation could literally rip him in half (Sentry vs. Ares style) if he was mad enough.

When has Spider-Man hurt his hand punching Iron Man? Depending on the armor and how much energy he's exerting, Iron Man is stronger and more durable (The durability part doesn't make much sense but whatever) than Aquaman.

I'm not arguing that Aquaman can't punch the shit out of Spider-Man or that Spider-Man is as strong. Don't misunderstand me, he is however faster/more agile and is strong enough that getting hit will affect him.

Lol no. Ironman is not stronger or more durable then Aquaman.. The only thing Stark has over Aquaman is versatility.

And hell no Grulk wouldn't get any wins on Aquaman either... Iron Man oneshotted Grulk.. and I don't see him doing that to Arthur..



http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4798032-5525607689-durab.jpg

Feel like at this point I'm knowing all these instances on my own..

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
If a writer doesn't wrote a character consistently, their input is pretty weak on the characters capabilities.
There no 'degrees' of input, just because you don't like a showing.

If Simone had Aquaman roflstomping the Secret six you'd be jerking it off in this whole thread.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Given Aquaman's inability to call on his other powers, or his feats of tagging characters way faster than Catman from people who write him consistently should tell why the Secret Six instance is nothing short of BS.

Hulk has tagged Gladiator, Sentry, Quicksilver and many others.

Spiderman still blitzes him to shit.

'Tagging' somebody doesn't mean shit.

Or Flash's Rogues are some of the fastest people alive.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
has more highs then lows in the Nu52 onward. So I don't understand the appeal of you trying to pretend otherwise and that this isn't a joke of a match. It is a joke of a match, in the sense that Aquaman doesn't win.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
In pretty much every fight with Manta, when Aquaman said he was going to end the fight.. guess what? He ended it. Manta doesn't get any hits in unless their sneak attacks, or Aquaman's fighting stupid.
Black Manta has hurt Aquaman, repeatedly, in multiple fights, under multiple writers, without 'sneak attacks'.

'Aquaman fighting stupid' is you pulling your hands on your ears and screaming "WAH WAH EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS SNEAK ATTACK OR STUPID".

Doesn't work like that

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Atlan, Ocean Master, Chimera, Hercules, Martian Manhunter, Wonder Woman all outweigh your repetitive attempts to bring up Manta and Catman.

You don't seem to understand that it's not a neither/or situation.

You can't put a blindfold and ignore his numerous fights with Manta just because you don't like it. You can't ignore Catman, because you don't like it. You can't pick JUST his exchange with Wonder Woman, because that's up your alley.

Just recently, Aquaman nearly got killed by Shaggyman.

We don't go soley by what you deem right for the character's capabilities.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Lol no. Ironman is not stronger or more durable then Aquaman.. The only thing Stark has over Aquaman is versatility.

And hell no Grulk wouldn't get any wins on Aquaman either... Iron Man oneshotted Grulk.. and I don't see him doing that to Arthur..

I think you'd have a REALLY hard time proving that Aquaman at his best has better feats in strength and durability than Iron Man at his best.

Originally posted by Digi
Sure, I agree. Which is why this is a big-ass team vs. Aquaman, not AQ v. Spidey.



He's also got wins in canon against both of them. I wouldn't reference them in this fight, though, because I try to avoid hyperbole on either end of a character's spectrum, except when consistently displays as their power level. However, focusing on "hurt his hand" isn't helping your case in trying to convince anyone you're giving both sides a fair shake here.



But it's not just Spidey, and Pete would be an idiot to try to overpower him physically. That's not what he brings to this fight.

It honestly does help to bring up hurting his hand.. Cause it suggest physically Parker isn't at a level Aquaman is at..

I don't see Spidey doing anything like this

http://m.imgur.com/EvwzQ2g

http://m.imgur.com/qsahV1s

http://m.imgur.com/H2Mnv8t

Spidey can't physically hang with powerhouses. He has to rely on his agility. And against a character like Aquaman that doesn't help much.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I think you'd have a REALLY hard time proving that Aquaman at his best has better feats in strength and durability than Iron Man at his best.

Hardly, I've never seen Stark able to take a blast from Starro capable of one shotting Orion. Or a beating from Titus.

Or anything city level and beyond in strength. Stark relies on scaling off other characters.

This team would be turned into corpses if they were in the same fight against Shaggyman.

The character was stated to punch harder than Superman. Was causing Tremors 80 miles away at its base form just walking under the sea to top it off and shrugged off a city blast like it was nothing.

The Shaggyman instance helps my point out more than it helps your attempt to lowball.

Also anyone logical would take a writers input on a character who wrote 15+ issues of a character over 1 where most of the character abilities were ignored.

Manta also has weapons designed to harm Aquaman. I don't know if that's skipped your mind or your ignoring it cause it doesn't suit your attempt to lowball here.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If the symbiotes weren't present, sure. With them? No.

Have these guys:

Lizard
Green Goblin
Rhino
Doc Oc
Electro

Gotten upgrades that I'm not aware of? If they have, that's cool. I'd just like to know how etc.
Nothing so recent you wouldnt know about it.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Can you (please) recommend any arcs where the likes of Ock, Electro or Lizard are shown to be doing well against upper tier people?

@ Philo: Yeah, unfortunately.

I'll try to come up with some. My collection is basically nonexistent at this point, so it's all from memory. The Ends of the Earth arc was interesting for Ock and Electro.

Electro also has feats that are up there. Here's one I remembered and was able to Google:
http://i.imgur.com/LlyYr7q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XjkfOYM.jpg
As well as ones with some massive scope:
http://i.imgur.com/KEP4uNu.jpg

I see him as more than a trivial threat in this fight.

Notice, though, that I didn't reference Lizard in my posts. Or Goblin. They're the closest thing to non-factors here. Ock's only a threat because some versions of his tentacles are adamantium (all are at least reinforced titanium), so combine that with his ability to tag Spidey consistently, and he'd leave some bruises at the very least, and could tear Arthur up if he's not careful.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Hardly, I've never seen Stark able to take a blast from Starro capable of one shotting Orion. Or a beating from Titus.

Or anything city level and beyond in strength. Stark relies on scaling off other characters.

The Starro blast could easily be considered a high outlier, to be fair.

I thought the Titus fight wasn't canon?

Originally posted by riv6672
Nothing so recent you wouldnt know about it.

I don't read a lot of Spider-Man. Of all the "big" names in comics, Spider-Man is the one I have the least knowledge of. So while I believe I have a vague idea of a lot of the characters in terms of what they can do, I was prepared to be proven wrong.

Aquaman's trident absorbs energy.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Lol no. Ironman is not stronger or more durable then Aquaman.. The only thing Stark has over Aquaman is versatility.

And hell no Grulk wouldn't get any wins on Aquaman either... Iron Man oneshotted Grulk.. and I don't see him doing that to Arthur..



http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111118857/4798032-5525607689-durab.jpg

Feel like at this point I'm knowing all these instances on my own..

Iron Man when using his power levels to the extreme, was able to momentarily hang with the elites like Hulk and Count Nefaria almost evenly when Aquaman was still getting manhandled by Superboy and was closer to Spider-Man than Superman. Stark's average is probably lower currently than 70's-early 00's but let's no go overboard. He can and has operated at levels above Aquaman.

Umm what? Grey Hulk is on average stronger than Aquaman. At his best, I've seen him straight up own a team that had Wonder Man and Iron Man on it. That was the incarnation that with aid pummeled through an asteroid twice the size of the Earth. Fixit has been used a straight up stand-in on par with the Green incarnation more than a few times. When did Stark one shot Fixit?

So wait, since you think Aquaman is stronger than Iron Man and reference Stark one-shotting Fixit, do you think Arthur can one shot Grey Hulk? Because that's hella funny. You'd need a pissed off Superman/Thor level guy to do that.

Is that canon? Because I've never seen that before. It looks like some Marvel Adventures comic. Not doubting you, just curious

Originally posted by -Pr-
The Starro blast could easily be considered a high outlier, to be fair.

I thought the Titus fight wasn't canon?



I don't read a lot of Spider-Man. Of all the "big" names in comics, Spider-Man is the one I have the least knowledge of. So while I believe I have a vague idea of a lot of the characters in terms of what they can do, I was prepared to be proven wrong.

Classified is cannon, and you were suggesting Iron Man's highs were superior to Aquaman's highs.. so I brought up the Starro instance.

Unless we're talking about amped irregular armors, I don't agree.

Slade bounces off Aquaman's muscles I don't see him doing the same to Spidey..

Originally posted by Digi
I'll try to come up with some. My collection is basically nonexistent at this point, so it's all from memory. The Ends of the Earth arc was interesting for Ock and Electro.

Electro also has feats that are up there. Here's one I remembered and was able to Google:
http://i.imgur.com/LlyYr7q.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XjkfOYM.jpg
As well as ones with some massive scope:
http://i.imgur.com/KEP4uNu.jpg

I see him as more than a trivial threat in this fight.

Notice, though, that I didn't reference Lizard in my posts. Or Goblin. They're the closest thing to non-factors here. Ock's only a threat because some versions of his tentacles are adamantium (all are at least reinforced titanium), so combine that with his ability to tag Spidey consistently, and he'd leave some bruises at the very least, and could tear Arthur up if he's not careful.

Thanks You're THE Spidey guy on KMC, so thought I'd ask while you were here.

And yeah, Arthur can take a severe amount of blunt trauma, but he can be caught out by sharpy pointy stuff.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
This team would be turned into corpses if they were in the same fight against Shaggyman.

The character was stated to punch harder than Superman. Was causing Tremors 80 miles away at its base form just walking under the sea to top it off and shrugged off a city blast like it was nothing.

The Shaggyman instance helps my point out more than it helps your attempt to lowball.

Also anyone logical would take a writers input on a character who wrote 15+ issues of a character over 1 where most of the character abilities were ignored.

Manta also has weapons designed to harm Aquaman. I don't know if that's skipped your mind or your ignoring it cause it doesn't suit your attempt to lowball here. Arthur being useless is proving your point? What in the shit are you talking about?

You can't have "Aquaman can hang with Superman" and "Aquaman gets beaten to near-death and can't do shit to a Superman level opponent" in the same sentence and keep a straight face. Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Manta also has weapons designed to harm Aquaman. I don't know if that's skipped your mind or your ignoring it cause it doesn't suit your attempt to lowball here. Black Manta has hurt Aquaman with weapons that are not speciall designed to hurt Arthur.

Arthur gets bruised by bullets, so it doesn't take kryptonian weapons to hurt him

Black Manta also doesn't have any problems dealing with Arthur's 'I blitz Superman and Wonder Woman' speed, either.

Weird, right?

I think Black Manta has Aquaman-designed speed and hand to hand skill, too.

in a swarmed assault, electro can play with the electricity in arthur's brain from a distance (no energy to absorb, electro just manipulates HIS energy) while spidey wraps him in tons of webbing to allow the the symbiotes to enter inside arthur and kill him. or once he's incapacitated the symbiotes spear him to death with rhino and lizard. tbh if the team fights intelligently i don't really see a viable way that AM wins this. if they fight as pure individuals and don't work as a team he could win, otherwise he's pretty f'd imo. /shrug

edit--just saw digi's post. i agree mostly that gg is useless--he might be a good strategy guy though to get the team working together.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Aquaman's trident absorbs energy.

When?

I ask because Mjolnir for example absorbs energy. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen Aquaman's trident do anything of the sort unless I've missed some. About as many times as I've seen Spider-Man knock out someone in Aquaman's strength class or higher.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Classified is cannon, and you were suggesting Iron Man's highs were superior to Aquaman's highs.. so I brought up the Starro instance.

Unless we're talking about amped irregular armors, I don't agree.

Slade bounces off Aquaman's muscles I don't see him doing the same to Spidey..

I used to think Classified was canon. Then I read that some of it wasn't. So I'm a bit up in the air about it.

Are we including Preboot Arthur in this? Or just New 52. I don't know what's going on with Rebirth, so I don't know what is and isn't canon right now.

Slade? As in Deathstroke?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Thanks You're THE Spidey guy on KMC, so thought I'd ask while you were here.

And yeah, Arthur can take a severe amount of blunt trauma, but he can be caught out by sharpy pointy stuff.

Lol. Thanks. I've given up any claim to such titles a while back, though. You're THE Aquaman guy, so I'm mostly just scared that I'm going to overlook some newer or less well-known aspect of his powers. My take on this fight is based on what I know of him, which isn't nothing, but also is far from comprehensive.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Iron Man when using his power levels to the extreme, was able to momentarily hang with the elites like Hulk and Count Nefaria almost evenly when Aquaman was still getting manhandled by Superboy and was closer to Spider-Man than Superman. Stark's average is probably lower currently than 70's-early 00's but let's no go overboard. He can and has operated at levels above Aquaman.

Umm what? Grey Hulk is on average stronger than Aquaman. At his best, I've seen him straight up own a team that had Wonder Man and Iron Man on it. When did Stark one shot Fixit?

So wait, since you think Aquaman is stronger than Iron Man and reference Stark one-shotting Fixit, do you think Arthur can one shot Grey Hulk? Because that's hella funny. You'd need a pissed off Superman/Thor level guy to do that.

Is that canon? Because I've never seen that before. It looks like some Marvel Adventures comic. Not doubting you, just curious

Ironman Energy blasted Fixit and he was down, I think it was in the contest of Champions series.

And no Grulk isn't stronger than Aquaman... Aquaman held back against Superboy which both characters attested to. Read the comic don't just look at the pictures, and Aquaman got stronger over the years. Hell in Marvel vs DC, Aquaman had Iron Man fleeing when they fought.

The Spidey instance is cannon. It's from Sensational Spiderman. During the Marvel Knights era..

Fixit isn't really that strong.. He retains intelligence but looses alot of the strength other versions of Hulk has. Ms Marvel has beat on Fixit..

Originally posted by Digi
Lol. Thanks. I've given up any claim to such titles a while back, though. You're THE Aquaman guy, so I'm mostly just scared that I'm going to overlook some newer or less well-known aspect of his powers. My take on this fight is based on what I know of him, which isn't nothing, but also is far from comprehensive.

lol thank you too, though Mungi knows more than me, admittedly. He's read even more than I have, as I largely refuse to touch pre-crisis stuff.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When?

I ask because Mjolnir for example absorbs energy. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen Aquaman's trident do anything of the sort unless I've missed some. About as many times as I've seen Spider-Man knock out someone in Aquaman's strength class or higher.

The first Aquaman annual in the New52 he Absorbed Morgane Lefay's Energy blast.

Hell PAD had it Absorbing laser gun fire. So it's nothing new..

I'm sure you have in regards to Parker it's far from consistent but whatever.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I used to think Classified was canon. Then I read that some of it wasn't. So I'm a bit up in the air about it.

Are we including Preboot Arthur in this? Or just New 52. I don't know what's going on with Rebirth, so I don't know what is and isn't canon right now.

Slade? As in Deathstroke?

I'm jumping around with continuity. And focusing on Pre/Post-Flashpoint

Yes Slade as in Deathstroke.

I'd like to rep Arthur for the win here, but Carnage and Venom would most certainly ruin his day with those tendrils. When reading the OP I was expecting to see Morlun in the thread. Oh well, team should take it but only due to the symbiotes.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm jumping around with continuity. And focusing on Pre/Post-Flashpoint

Yes Slade as in Deathstroke.

I'm not at all caught up with it, so I'll take your word for it. I really stopped enjoying Aquaman once Johns left, so I haven't read most of what came after.

Originally posted by leonidas
in a swarmed assault, electro can play with the electricity in arthur's brain from a distance (no energy to absorb, electro just manipulates HIS energy) while spidey wraps him in tons of webbing to allow the the symbiotes to enter inside arthur and kill him. or once he's incapacitated the symbiotes spear him to death with rhino and lizard. tbh if the team fights intelligently i don't really see a viable way that AM wins this. if they fight as pure individuals and don't work as a team he could win, otherwise he's pretty f'd imo. /shrug

edit--just saw digi's post. i agree mostly that gg is useless--he might be a good strategy guy though to get the team working together.

Let's not forget that Aquaman is a non-flier. Spider-Man, Venom and Carnage can take turns webbing and throwing him around, while he's helplessly ping-ponged between them.

Spiderman has done this to Iron Man:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/104431/3053172-1997686312-16597.jpg

..and here he has Venom and Carnage to back him up.

Between Electro messing him up, the trio constantly pummeling him and dodging his attacks/webbing him up, the symbiotes being able to stab , entering his orifices , there's endless options for them to win. Rhino charging him randomly, Doc Ock keeping him busy with multiple angles of attack,etc.

Aquaman can, like, totally punch them or stab them with the trident. ha-ermm

It's funny how someone can read something and ignore everything that's said in the comic... Shaggyman is a JL team buster. It was stated in the exact Aquaman comic. So if anyone actually read it or attempted to, but for some reason can't read. It was mentioned he Strikes harder than Superman and adapts to every attack.

Aquaman stabbed him with his trident something characters like Rao or Graves would of died from another Team buster pair and Shaggyman just casually tossed it aside. Aquaman rocked Shaggyman a couple times but given his nature beating him was impossible.

This argument comes down to the inability to understand Aquaman has more fights outside Manta, which has context btw. This got stupid really fast and became " Manta, Manta Manta" ignoring Herc, Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Atlan and Ocean Master. As well as the several giants Aquaman has fought.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'm not at all caught up with it, so I'll take your word for it. I really stopped enjoying Aquaman once Johns left, so I haven't read most of what came after.

The Slade thing is Pre-Flashpoint if that's what you were asking not Nu52 onwards.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'd like to rep Arthur for the win here, but Carnage and Venom would most certainly ruin his day with those tendrils. When reading the OP I was expecting to see Morlun in the thread. Oh well, team should take it but only due to the symbiotes.

Tendrils?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The Slade thing is Pre-Flashpoint if that's what you were asking not Nu52 onwards.

The one where Aquaman chased him in to the darkened building and was tracking him with his hearing?

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It's funny how someone can read something and ignore everything that's said in the comic... Shaggyman is a JL team buster. It was stated in the exact Aquaman comic. So if anyone actually read it or attempted to, but for some reason can't read. It was mentioned he Strikes harder than Superman and adapts to every attack.

Aquaman stabbed him with his trident something characters like Rao or Graves would of died from another Team buster pair and Shaggyman just casually tossed it aside. Aquaman rocked Shaggyman a couple times but given his nature beating him was impossible.

This argument comes down to the inability to understand Aquaman has more fights outside Manta, which has context btw. This got stupid really fast and became " Manta, Manta Manta" ignoring Herc, Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Atlan and Ocean Master. As well as the several giants Aquaman has fought.

I'm not sure that you get it. I don't think that anyone is saying that any one particular opponent in this thread is more powerful or is as powerful as Arthur. Most seem to be saying that he would be vulnerable to many of their attacks because let's face the light, Arthur isn't exactly the Juggernaut, which is why he loses here, and not because he's weaker than they are.

Originally posted by -Pr-
The one where Aquaman chased him in to the darkened building and was tracking him with his hearing?

That the one.

Originally posted by Stoic
I'm not sure that you get it. I don't think that anyone is saying that any one particular opponent in this thread is more powerful or is as powerful as Arthur. Most seem to be saying that he would be vulnerable to many of their attacks because let's face the light, Arthur isn't exactly the Juggernaut, which is why he loses here, and not because he's weaker than they are.

I'm pretty sure the one Harry Potter user is.. Why else bring up physicals in regards to Manta or Catman..

Physically he's more imposing than anyone on this team is all I'm saying. In every physical attribute.

Regardless I'm curious to why they win. And what tendrils are capable of.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
That the one.

I didn't remember the bouncing part, but when I went back and looked, yeah, right you were:

http://i.imgur.com/LnmpQS8.jpg

TBH I don't like the idea of Aquaman seeming like he "needs" armour. It serves no real purpose imo, as he should be more than durable enough without it. Like when they made Superman's new 52 costume indestructible.

I personally don't mind as long as the armor actually functions as armor. Most writers/artist like showing battle torn suits though which doesn't always work with what's suppose to be "armor"

I'd argue his "armor" has had little to no function of being armor ever since it was stated as such.

I was thinking of that Iron Man webbing feat too, though I didn't reference it specifically.

Also, since PR got me on an Electro hunt...

His infamous prison break scene, where he shuts down the Raft and goes on a rampage:
http://imgur.com/a/kDIVp
That electricity shield can block bullets, btw. I couldn't find an instance of it, though. I'm not about to scan through my ASMs, so I'm limited to what I can dig up on the web.

He also has some magnetic telekinetic abilities by utilizing the EM spectrum:
http://imgur.com/a/n5Dlo
That whole scene was badass for him. Really took him a step up as a threat.

And here's a fight with Firestar and another dude (Gravity?) that seems more than passingly impressive:
http://i.imgur.com/mUYPEAz.jpg
http://imgur.com/a/hSE9q

...

I won't turn this into an Electro respect thread. But he deserves a lot of consideration as a threat here.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm pretty sure the one Harry Potter user is.. Why else bring up physicals in regards to Manta or Catman..

Physically he's more imposing than anyone on this team is all I'm saying. In every physical attribute.

Regardless I'm curious to why they win. And what tendrils are capable of.

The symbiotes could use their tendrils to bore into his brain through his ears, eyes, or mouth. He isn't invulnerable, or unbeatable. Heck, Doc Ock beat the Hulk by exploiting the idea that he would be unable to move if he were held helplessly in mid air while he battered the crap out of him with adamantium tentacles. Arthur can't fly either. If the team works together, they would overcome him eventually.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm pretty sure the one Harry Potter user is.. Why else bring up physicals in regards to Manta or Catman..

Physically he's more imposing than anyone on this team is all I'm saying. In every physical attribute.
Black Manta is a Spiderman rogue gallery level villain that constantly and under multiple writers hurts Arthur, and is constantly able to keep up with him in combat. The fact that you keep crying how it shouldn't count because he bullrushed and grappled with Wonder Woman shows your serious lack of understanding as far as comics go.

Nobody is disputing the fact that Aquaman is the strongest on the field. What you seem to be missing is that his combat performances aren't as great as you desperately wish them to be. And it's not soley strength that matters in this fight.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Physically he's more imposing than anyone on this team is all I'm saying. In every physical attribute.
lol@ Aquaman being faster in combat than Spider-Man.

It's time to wake up, Dorothy.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I personally don't mind as long as the armor actually functions as armor. Most writers/artist like showing battle torn suits though which doesn't always work with what's suppose to be "armor"

I'd argue his "armor" has had little to no function of being armor ever since it was stated as such.

I would too, but I don't like the ambiguity it causes.

Though it's not nearly as bad as the disparity between blunt and sharp durability.

Originally posted by Digi
I was thinking of that Iron Man webbing feat too, though I didn't reference it specifically.

Also, since PR got me on an Electro hunt...

His infamous prison break scene, where he shuts down the Raft and goes on a rampage:
http://imgur.com/a/kDIVp
That electricity shield can block bullets, btw. I couldn't find an instance of it, though. I'm not about to scan through my ASMs, so I'm limited to what I can dig up on the web.

He also has some magnetic telekinetic abilities by utilizing the EM spectrum:
http://imgur.com/a/n5Dlo
That whole scene was badass for him. Really took him a step up as a threat.

And here's a fight with Firestar and another dude (Gravity?) that seems more than passingly impressive:
http://i.imgur.com/mUYPEAz.jpg
http://imgur.com/a/hSE9q

...

I won't turn this into an Electro respect thread. But he deserves a lot of consideration as a threat here.

That from New Avengers? The raft one. It looks familiar.

==

Philo, you can argue without being a dick. I know you can.

Originally posted by Stoic
The symbiotes could use their tendrils to bore into his brain through his ears, eyes, or mouth. He isn't invulnerable, or unbeatable. Heck, Doc Ock beat the Hulk by exploiting the idea that he would be unable to move if he were held helplessly in mid aid while he battered the crap out of him with adamantium tentacles. Arthur can't fly either. If the team works together, they would overcome him eventually.

I won't deny stuff like that would give the team the win. If they rely on hax like stuff rather than a brawl which is what I assumed meant.

The electro thing sounded quite sure of a win to with frying his brain or something like thing by targeting his electrical synapses. Scans would be nice.

As you can see though Philosphia honestly thinks... they physically stand a chance..

Originally posted by -Pr-
Though it's not nearly as bad as the disparity between blunt and sharp durability.
Aquaman's blunt durability is consistently very good.

His bullet/stabbing ones, not so much. He has been impaled quite a bit just in the last few years. Which is awful, when going off against the symbiotes.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I would too, but I don't like the ambiguity it causes.

Though it's not nearly as bad as the disparity between blunt and sharp durability.



That from New Avengers? The raft one. It looks familiar.

==

Philo, you can argue without being a dick. I know you can.

I honestly don't mind the piercing weakness, I don't like what Abnett is doing with it. I feel like he nerfed Aquaman in comparison to what the past 3 writers had him at. But most warrior characters in comics tend to seem to have some weakness to piercing attacks. Thor, Wonder Woman, Namor, Black Bolt. Maybe not all bullets but weapons have cut them on a consistent basis.

Philo seems to be the reason Dora pointed out things for the viewers and they got highlighted.

I don't get how you read something and skip over context.. unless your looking at the pictures and not reading it.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
As you can see though Philosphia honestly thinks... they physically stand a chance..
Originally posted by Philosopia
Nobody is disputing the fact that Aquaman is the strongest on the field.

If your assertion is that Aquaman is the strongest on the field, you're correct.
If your assertion is that Aquaman is the fastest, you'll get stomped in the ground.
If your assertion is that Aquaman can't be hurt by the opponents, you'll get stomped in the ground.

Choose your position carefully

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Philo seems to be the reason Dora pointed out things for the viewers and they got highlighted.

I don't get how you read something and skip over context.. unless your looking at the pictures and not reading it.

Don't go crying now, or I might just have to run you off the forum.

Originally posted by -Pr-
So we... Agree, then? Yep.

Which is why I don't see why you think Aquaman wins. This won't be a slugfest, they'll dance around him and wear him off with webbing/pounding/impaling/electro etc.

I'm going to be ran off a site, from someone who doesn't allow you to reply to them...
"Ok"..

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I'm going to be ran off a site, from someone who doesn't allow you to reply to them...
"Ok".. Well, if it was only you, I'd have said they put an IQ filter, but it seems Pr and others can reply, so that doesn't seem to be it.

I think the site's code just went to hell.

Spidey has struggled to react to bullets.. Aquaman has a history of dodging lightning.

From Weather Wizard, Zeus and Demons..

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Spidey has struggled to react to bullets.. Aquaman has a history of dodging lightning.
Jesus Christ

Ok, your scared to be quoted by someone who doesn't agree with you. That hints at insecurity and the inability of allowing a differing opinion. I'm not whiny and I don't care if a majority disagrees and I don't get my way. People who get mad about not getting their way are typically children..

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Ok, your scared to be quoted by someone who doesn't agree with you. That hints at insecurity and the inability of allowing a differing opinion. I'm not whiny and I don't care if a majority disagrees and I don't get my way. People who get mad about not getting their way are typically children..

I..


...what?

Did you not get the part where quoting me is a recent problem caused by changes to the forum?

Are you having a nervous breakdown?

Originally posted by -Pr-
That from New Avengers? The raft one. It looks familiar.

Yup, that's the one.

Why would I be having a breakdown. This about fictional characters..

I'm not the one repeating the same thing over and over again in some meaningless chant. "Manta, Manta, Manta, but Manta"

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Why would I be having a breakdown.

You're randomly blabbering about me not allowing you to quote me because of insecurity, even after it's been explained that it's a forum glitch. It's like you hit your head.

Will you have a picture of me in a costume as Black Manta on your wall?
Will you dress as Aquaman and furiously throw darts at it?

I don't know why I'd have a picture of you... I didn't know your username until I saw it in a quote from PR's post. Didn't know who you were until today, and this has honestly been pointless no idea how it went from discussing fictional characters to talking about having pictures of you in fantasy outfits..

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I don't know why I'd have a picture of you... I didn't know your username until I saw it in a quote from PR's post. Didn't know who you were until today, and this has honestly been pointless no idea how it went from discussing fictional characters to talking about having pictures of you in fantasy outfits.. http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/992/407/776.jpg

Anyway, hopefully next time you'll have actual arguments on your position instead of "Don't bring up Black Manta, it's not fair! Don't bring up Catman, it's not fair! We only count writers who constantly write him, and out of those issues, only those not involving Black Manta!".

Maybe somebody your Superman/WW blitzing, 'can't find a way this entire team beats him' fantasy Aquaman will become a reality. But don't count on it.

http://m.quickmeme.com/img/57/ 578f680a1e2720ab3dd1b281128f1a366a4dba65ab39b6ebe7
8e90cc68255f89.jpg

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
http://m.quickmeme.com/img/57/ 578f680a1e2720ab3dd1b281128f1a366a4dba65ab39b6ebe7
8e90cc68255f89.jpg Try again.

Well I can't quote you, and a post needs words..

I ain't even mad though.. I'm just bored tbh.

Couldn't Arthur mess with Electro's brain first?

Oct's probably the biggest card after Electro (Even Rhino isn't nearly the threat Oct is).

But if you're quick enough, you could deal with the arms. I mean, they tag Spidey and Matt all the time, but they can grab the arms and stick them in wall sockets or stay ahead of them enough to land a kick.

And Arthur is faster then Spidey, isn't he? He should be able to grab the arms and slam Oct around.

Originally posted by cdtm
Couldn't Arthur mess with Electro's brain first?

Oct's probably the biggest card after Electro (Even Rhino isn't nearly the threat Oct is).

But if you're quick enough, you could deal with the arms. I mean, they tag Spidey and Matt all the time, but they can grab the arms and stick them in wall sockets or stay ahead of them enough to land a kick.

And Arthur is faster then Spidey, isn't he? He should be able to grab the arms and slam Oct around.

If Aquaman has his telepathy at David levels, then I could see him doing well unless of course, some of the people on this team have tp resistance I wasn't aware of. How do symbiotes fare against it?

Originally posted by cdtm
Couldn't Arthur mess with Electro's brain first?

Oct's probably the biggest card after Electro (Even Rhino isn't nearly the threat Oct is).

But if you're quick enough, you could deal with the arms. I mean, they tag Spidey and Matt all the time, but they can grab the arms and stick them in wall sockets or stay ahead of them enough to land a kick.

And Arthur is faster then Spidey, isn't he? He should be able to grab the arms and slam Oct around.

Depends on the version of Arthur. I personally was composting Pre-Flashpoint and Post-Flashpoint Aquaman. Cause everyone on this site seems to do that for DC characters apparently. Recently with the Cassandra thread.

Anyone who can attack internally and bypass his physicals should be the teams MVP. As far as I'm aware he can also tp them as well.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Depends on the version of Arthur. I personally was composting Pre-Flashpoint and Post-Flashpoint Aquaman. Cause everyone on this site seems to do that for DC characters apparently. Recently with the Cassandra thread.

Anyone who can attack internally and bypass his physicals should be the teams MVP. As far as I'm aware he can also tp them as well.

We used to differentiate until DC themselves started to make things less clear.

Ideally, people should be stating in the OP which version they're using.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If Aquaman has his telepathy at David levels, then I could see him doing well unless of course, some of the people on this team have tp resistance I wasn't aware of. How do symbiotes fare against it?

Lol. See, there it is, I forgot about tp entirely. But from your post here, it sounds like it's probably not a great way for a win??

Anyway, no, there isn't much in the way of tp resistance on this team. Electro would resist it (see the Nate Grey feat earlier). And Lizard's been shown to be immune to this kind of thing because his brain physiology is so different. Then again, Arthur commands sea life. So maybe a literal lizard brain would make him MORE susceptible.

Other than that, I can't recall specific tp resistance. Otto has probably prep-built something to do it at some point. And writers love giving the symbiotes random haxx resistances. But I can't think of any offhand for tp.

Originally posted by -Pr-
We used to differentiate until DC themselves started to make things less clear.

Ideally, people should be stating in the OP which version they're using.

The current Aquaman arc seems to be focusing on Aquaman's tp, given when Abnett originally first penned Arthur in the PAD era. I wouldnt be to shocked if Arthur's tp starts going in that direction.

Regardless I don't see Aquaman TPing anyone here with just his Post-Flashpoint feats. Pre-Flashpoint included that's a different story.

Originally posted by Digi
Lol. See, there it is, I forgot about tp entirely. But from your post here, it sounds like it's probably not a great way for a win??

Anyway, no, there isn't much in the way of tp resistance on this team. Electro would resist it (see the Nate Grey feat earlier). And Lizard's been shown to be immune to this kind of thing because his brain physiology is so different. Then again, Arthur commands sea life. So maybe a literal lizard brain would make him MORE susceptible.

Other than that, I can't recall specific tp resistance. Otto has probably prep-built something to do it at some point. And writers love giving the symbiotes random haxx resistances. But I can't think of any offhand for tp.

It depends, as EG said. In the 90s, David and the other writers went through great pains to make it clear that Aquaman's greatest weapon was his telepathy, almost to the point where for a good half-decade, he has very, very few strength feats. It balanced out a bit as time went on, but for the longest time they loved writing stories about his telepathy.

Then the reboot happened, and DC flipped things around. Aquaman was impressive physically before, but now they were pushing him as more of a powerhouse than ever, but now it was at the expense of his telepathy.

My honest to god theory is that someone at DC, possibly Johns, does NOT like the idea of Aquaman having "normal" telepathy, and tries to keep things localised to marine life.

I honestly don't expect him to win this fight. I just get wary going in to Aquaman threads where even today, some people tend to treat him as being no better than say, Colossus or something.

Not that Colossus is awful or anything, but still.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The current Aquaman arc seems to be focusing on Aquaman's tp, given when Abnett originally first penned Arthur in the PAD era. I wouldnt be to shocked if Arthur's tp starts going in that direction.

Regardless I don't see Aquaman TPing anyone here with just his Post-Flashpoint feats. Pre-Flashpoint included that's a different story.

That's something at least. I just hope his characterisation improves because from what I saw of that Superman issue, it was awful.

The Superman issue was a bit weird for both characters. Abnett honestly wanted them to fight and with how level headed both Superman and Aquaman are it kind of demanded CIS.

Personally I'm hoping Aquaman gets more versatility in general. I didn't like the characterization in the Bunn's run but the Poseidon Blessing was cool. Thor, Wonder Woman and Superman have more going for them then just physicals I don't get why Aquaman is limited. I get Johns is a silver aged buff.. but him limiting Aquaman is weird given his telepathy was expanded in the Silver age, first used on Superman which is a big thing. It's even more weird given the first time Johns wrote Aquaman he assisted J'onn in Telepathically fighting Despero.. Johns also heavily based his run on PAD's Aquaman run. Given he did the reboot for Aquaman he clearly nerfed him though in TP.

Ideally Aquaman should be a physical powerhouse sure, but with telepathy, marine life Empathy and a trident with all these tricks

Originally posted by -Pr-
It depends, as EG said. In the 90s, David and the other writers went through great pains to make it clear that Aquaman's greatest weapon was his telepathy, almost to the point where for a good half-decade, he has very, very few strength feats. It balanced out a bit as time went on, but for the longest time they loved writing stories about his telepathy.

Then the reboot happened, and DC flipped things around. Aquaman was impressive physically before, but now they were pushing him as more of a powerhouse than ever, but now it was at the expense of his telepathy.

My honest to god theory is that someone at DC, possibly Johns, does NOT like the idea of Aquaman having "normal" telepathy, and tries to keep things localised to marine life.

I honestly don't expect him to win this fight. I just get wary going in to Aquaman threads where even today, some people tend to treat him as being no better than say, Colossus or something.

Not that Colossus is awful or anything, but still.

Heh. It would make sense if that were the explanation.

I think of Colossus as more of a one-dimensional guy, whereas Arthur has more going on, and also (I think?) better high-end feats. So I don't know that he's too terribly lowballed, but then again I don't come into many of his vs. threads. /srug

Case in point, I think this was an interesting matchup to put into a vs. context. I do think the team wins, and I am more convinced the more I think about it, but it also requires a good amount of knowledge of the team to build the case. When I know as much as anyone about the team and had to think for a minute to make sure I was set on saying they won, the thread starter has done a decent job of creating a match.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The Superman issue was a bit weird for both characters. Abnett honestly wanted them to fight and with how level headed both Superman and Aquaman are it kind of demanded CIS.

Personally I'm hoping Aquaman gets more versatility in general. I didn't like the characterization in the Bunn's run but the Poseidon Blessing was cool. Thor, Wonder Woman and Superman have more going for them then just physicals I don't get why Aquaman is limited. I get Johns is a silver aged buff.. but him limiting Aquaman is weird given his telepathy was expanded in the Silver age, first used on Superman which is a big thing. It's even more weird given the first time Johns wrote Aquaman he assisted J'onn in Telepathically fighting Despero.. Johns also heavily based his run on PAD's Aquaman run. Given he did the reboot for Aquaman he clearly nerfed him though in TP.

Ideally Aquaman should be a physical powerhouse sure, but with telepathy, marine life Empathy and a trident with all these tricks

That's why I was so surprised. I was so glad to see Johns have him go up against Despero like that, but then to nerf him like that? It was so strange.

TBH, I'd be happy with a decent mix between physical fighting and telepathy. Not a huge fan of using the trident for anything more than just using it as an actual trident.

Originally posted by Digi
Heh. It would make sense if that were the explanation.

I think of Colossus as more of a one-dimensional guy, whereas Arthur has more going on, and also (I think?) better high-end feats. So I don't know that he's too terribly lowballed, but then again I don't come into many of his vs. threads. /srug

Case in point, I think this was an interesting matchup to put into a vs. context. I do think the team wins, and I am more convinced the more I think about it, but it also requires a good amount of knowledge of the team to build the case. When I know as much as anyone about the team and had to think for a minute to make sure I was set on saying they won, the thread starter has done a decent job of creating a match.

Before the reboot, it was much worse. Thankfully DC pushed him a bit, so he got a bit more recognition.

Spider-Man has always been that comic for me that I just can't get in to. I try every so often, but for some reason it just doesn't stick. And I'm someone that adored the 90s cartoon too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Before the reboot, it was much worse. Thankfully DC pushed him a bit, so he got a bit more recognition.

Spider-Man has always been that comic for me that I just can't get in to. I try every so often, but for some reason it just doesn't stick. And I'm someone that adored the 90s cartoon too.

The movie should help, for good or bad. He's going to have to solidify an identity in the comics too, since more people will become aware of him.

It's ok to be wrong about Spidey. My only regret with him is that saying you like him to non-comic fans is tricky. They think you just identify with the geeky loner loser that was Peter Parker in, like, the 60s, so you get pigeonholed. It's hard to be like "no, he's awesome and funny and clever as hell and doesn't take himself too seriously but doesn't devolve into postmodern parody (see: Deadpool) and...etc. etc." Pete's always had "the Parker luck," but that's different than being a loser. But nobody believes me. They're like "nope, you're a nerd." I usually just shrug and agree at that point.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That's why I was so surprised. I was so glad to see Johns have him go up against Despero like that, but then to nerf him like that? It was so strange.

TBH, I'd be happy with a decent mix between physical fighting and telepathy. Not a huge fan of using the trident for anything more than just using it as an actual trident.


Kind of bugs me the trident is more versatile outside comics then inside. I see alot of casuals suggesting Aquaman can do things with his trident that they saw in a cartoon or video game. Yet doesn't do in comics.

DCAU, his trident shot Energy blast.sealed a dimensional opening, shot lightning, amplified magic/spells.

Injustice, shoots lighting, controls water. Opens portals, Teleportation.

Throne of Atlantis animated movie, Shoots lightning, encases people in a Shell like structure, absorbs and can redirect Energy, controls the oceans.

I don't want Aquaman to do this repetitively hell Thor Odinson typically ignores alot of his weather Manipulation abilities. I just want it to be there for use. Hell the Poseidon Blessing Aquaman, didn't use it constantly either only ever when he was going up against Armies or the Thule Giant. He used it against numbers or foes more powerful than him. Characters like Catman and Depowered Superman he held back this power against.

Originally posted by Digi
The movie should help, for good or bad. He's going to have to solidify an identity in the comics too, since more people will become aware of him.

It's ok to be wrong about Spidey. My only regret with him is that saying you like him to non-comic fans is tricky. They think you just identify with the geeky loner loser that was Peter Parker in, like, the 60s, so you get pigeonholed. It's hard to be like "no, he's awesome and funny and clever as hell and doesn't take himself too seriously but doesn't devolve into postmodern parody (see: Deadpool) and...etc. etc." Pete's always had "the Parker luck," but that's different than being a loser. But nobody believes me. They're like "nope, you're a nerd." I usually just shrug and agree at that point.



Ugh, that damn movie.

Hey, being a nerd isn't so bad... Except when it is.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Kind of bugs me the trident is more versatile outside comics then inside. I see alot of casuals suggesting Aquaman can do things with his trident that they saw in a cartoon or video game. Yet doesn't do in comics.

DCAU, his trident shot Energy blast.sealed a dimensional opening, shot lightning, amplified magic/spells.

Injustice, shoots lighting, controls water. Opens portals, Teleportation.

Throne of Atlantis animated movie, Shoots lightning, encases people in a Shell like structure, absorbs and can redirect Energy, controls the oceans.

I don't want Aquaman to do this repetitively hell Thor Odinson typically ignores alot of his weather Manipulation abilities. I just want it to be there for use. Hell the Poseidon Blessing Aquaman, didn't use it constantly either only ever when he was going up against Armies or the Thule Giant. He used it against numbers or foes more powerful than him. Characters like Catman and Depowered Superman he held back this power against.

Even in the Lego games, his trident could fire blasts of water.

I don't mind if he has some more versality, I just don't want the trident to be able to do too much either. It's a delicate balance.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Even in the Lego games, his trident could fire blasts of water.

I don't mind if he has some more versality, I just don't want the trident to be able to do too much either. It's a delicate balance.

I wouldn't turn it into Mjolnir, either.

I think having it control water treads into Mera's territory a bit too much, too. But at the same time, it's origin pretty much lends it to that.

How would you approach its capabilities? What would it be able to do?

The way you differentiate the Trident and Mera. Is have Mera be more precise with her hydrokinesis. She's able to do things like create water constructs, dehydrate people, flood their lungs anything internal like that. Moisture grabbing, Flooding the brain.

I wouldn't have the Trident be that precise. In regards to hydrokinesis. It would just be able to create rain, tsunamis, and shoot water blast. Just things less precise and a bit more generic. I'd even make Mera's hydrokinesis more potent when she's welding the trident.

The trident I'd have be Poseidon-Lite. Which the Poseidon Blessing basically was.
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/4783971-2_08-1.jpg

The blessing, gave him cyrokinesis, earth control, electrokinesis, flight, Teleportation which would of been cool if he could use to summon Sealife to his aid. I also like the idea of the trident changing it's weapon stance. In something like Injustice it could of offered a different playing style. It also branched him a bit out from other sea related characters. Like Triton and Namor who have tridents. I'd still keep him a bit grounded I'd just have the abilities there for use if he wanted to.

It would act as a composite Trident under my pen. Which would give Magical Protection, Anti magic capabilities, Magical boost, Energy Absorption and/or redirection, Indestructible trident.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If it were me writing the comic?

-I always liked the idea of it being indestructible, so it would keep that. Be it by absorbing or redirecting attacks, it should be as unbreakable as Wonder Woman's bracers if not more-so.
-It being magic, it should also be able to pierce/stab all but the strongest of magical objects. It should have no problem bypassing super-durability or force-shields etc.
-I'd let it function as a kind of booster to his telepathic powers too. Of course, I'd write him with telepathy anyway, but by using the trident, his "voice" would be louder and carry more authority.
-Feeding in to that slightly, I'd have the trident take on a similar role to Anduril in LOTR. With Arthur wielding it, he is recognised as the legitimate king of the seas, and even the most powerful of creatures under the sea wouldn't argue once he was wielding it.
-Not totally trident related, but semi-related to my post, if I wrote Aquaman I would go full-bore with the mysticism. He'd be able to call on all the sea monsters of mythology. Scylla, charybdis, the kraken, hydras, and even on occasion some of the most Lovecraftian shit possible.

Really play in to the idea that all the shit people fear is down there, IS down there, and Aquaman has the power to unleash it.

I like the idea of Aquaman calling more fantasy esque characters. It irks me when Sharks harm or perform Hightier atleast make them Megadolons like Injustice 2 did. Ironically power wise Bunn's handled Aquaman in a way I liked. He had all this power but didn't ignore his Sealife telepathy.

http://m.imgur.com/a/ZiF6R
http://m.imgur.com/y6hyrxX

Personally I'd still connect him to his classic Sealife Creatures in a specific way.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The way you differentiate the Trident and Mera. Is have Mera be more precise with her hydrokinesis. She's able to do things like create water constructs, dehydrate people, flood their lungs anything internal like that. Moisture grabbing, Flooding the brain.

I wouldn't have the Trident be that precise. In regards to hydrokinesis. It would just be able to create rain, tsunamis, and shoot water blast. Just things less precise and a bit more generic. I'd even make Mera's hydrokinesis more potent when she's welding the trident.

The trident I'd have be Poseidon-Lite. Which the Poseidon Blessing basically was.
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/4783971-2_08-1.jpg

The blessing, gave him cyrokinesis, earth control, electrokinesis, flight, Teleportation which would of been cool if he could use to summon Sealife to his aid. I also like the idea of the trident changing it's weapon stance. In something like Injustice it could of offered a different playing style. It also branched him a bit out from other sea related characters. Like Triton and Namor who have tridents. I'd still keep him a bit grounded I'd just have the abilities there for use if he wanted to.

It would act as a composite Trident under my pen. Which would give Magical Protection, Anti magic capabilities, Magical boost, Energy Absorption and/or redirection, Indestructible trident.

Yeah, I honestly wouldn't like to see him be able to do those kinds of things. But that's personal preference.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
I like the idea of Aquaman calling more fantasy esque characters. It irks me when Sharks harm or perform Hightier atleast make them Megadolons like Injustice 2 did. Ironically power wise Bunn's handled Aquaman in a way I liked. He had all this power but didn't ignore his Sealife telepathy.

http://m.imgur.com/a/ZiF6R
http://m.imgur.com/y6hyrxX

Personally I'd still connect him to his classic Sealife Creatures in a specific way.

Nice

It harkens back to preboot, when he left that guy surrounded by sharks and left them to decide the guy's fate.

Originally posted by -Pr-
If it were me writing the comic?

-I always liked the idea of it being indestructible, so it would keep that. Be it by absorbing or redirecting attacks, it should be as unbreakable as Wonder Woman's bracers if not more-so.
-It being magic, it should also be able to pierce/stab all but the strongest of magical objects. It should have no problem bypassing super-durability or force-shields etc.
-I'd let it function as a kind of booster to his telepathic powers too. Of course, I'd write him with telepathy anyway, but by using the trident, his "voice" would be louder and carry more authority.
-Feeding in to that slightly, I'd have the trident take on a similar role to Anduril in LOTR. With Arthur wielding it, he is recognised as the legitimate king of the seas, and even the most powerful of creatures under the sea wouldn't argue once he was wielding it.
-Not totally trident related, but semi-related to my post, if I wrote Aquaman I would go full-bore with the mysticism. He'd be able to call on all the sea monsters of mythology. Scylla, charybdis, the kraken, hydras, and even on occasion some of the most Lovecraftian shit possible.

Really play in to the idea that all the shit people fear is down there, IS down there, and Aquaman has the power to unleash it.


No


Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
The way you differentiate the Trident and Mera. Is have Mera be more precise with her hydrokinesis. She's able to do things like create water constructs, dehydrate people, flood their lungs anything internal like that. Moisture grabbing, Flooding the brain.

I wouldn't have the Trident be that precise. In regards to hydrokinesis. It would just be able to create rain, tsunamis, and shoot water blast. Just things less precise and a bit more generic. I'd even make Mera's hydrokinesis more potent when she's welding the trident.

The trident I'd have be Poseidon-Lite. Which the Poseidon Blessing basically was.
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/4783971-2_08-1.jpg

The blessing, gave him cyrokinesis, earth control, electrokinesis, flight, Teleportation which would of been cool if he could use to summon Sealife to his aid. I also like the idea of the trident changing it's weapon stance. In something like Injustice it could of offered a different playing style. It also branched him a bit out from other sea related characters. Like Triton and Namor who have tridents. I'd still keep him a bit grounded I'd just have the abilities there for use if he wanted to.

It would act as a composite Trident under my pen. Which would give Magical Protection, Anti magic capabilities, Magical boost, Energy Absorption and/or redirection, Indestructible trident.

No


Hmmmm....Aquaman shouldn't carry the trident around on him imo. It should be a reincarnation of Poseidon himself. It should be used as a hax/destroyer-like/wmd that he only brings out when Earth is phucked because the power he unleashes is Skyfather tier. He should be the ONLY one to handle it as he is the King if the Seas and any creature with remote connection to water life from tadpoles to seagulls to Leviathons to Water Elementals would bow before him while weilding it. The air around him should visibly crackle with energy when it's in use and he should literally walk on water. He should also not be in character when using it as he albeit temporarily is imbused with the might and power of Poseidon. The longer he weilds it the more susceptible he becomes to losing his humanity and there's also the threat that he will lose control and threatens anyone in his vicinity or anyone remotely disruptive to sea life.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
No




No


Hmmmm....Aquaman shouldn't carry the trident around on him imo. It should be a reincarnation of Poseidon himself. It should be used as a hax/destroyer-like/wmd that he only brings out when Earth is phucked because the power he unleashes is Skyfather tier. He should be the ONLY one to handle it as he is the King if the Seas and any creature with remote connection to water life from tadpoles to seagulls to Leviathons to Water Elementals would bow before him while weilding it. The air around him should visibly crackle with energy when it's in use and he should literally walk on water. He should also not be in character when using it as he albeit temporarily is imbused with the might and power of Poseidon. The longer he weilds it the more susceptible he becomes to losing his humanity and there's also the threat that he will lose control and threatens anyone in his vicinity or anyone remotely disruptive to sea life.

Fair enough.

Though you did have a line that mirrors what I said, to be fair.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Fair enough.

Though you did have a line that mirrors what I said, to be fair.

True 😂😂. I just like busting your balls. I seriously would love to see AM with a boost though. Even if it comes with a price. His temperament while wielding the trident should be mercurial imo

Originally posted by Sin I AM
True 😂😂. I just like busting your balls. I seriously would love to see AM with a boost though. Even if it comes with a price. His temperament while wielding the trident should be mercurial imo

lol.

A lot of what I had in mind would be done in stories that focus on making it absolutely undeniable that this guy is the king of a world that Humans can't even begin to fathom. And that he protects the surface from the ocean as much as he protects the ocean from the surface. I would use some of the Poseidon stuff mind you, but I'd probably do it with the ceremonial armour, like he had in OWAW.

I wouldn't make the trident too powerful, because I honestly like the visual aspect of being a melee fighter with a weapon that isn't his fists. The League has enough brawlers already.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Yeah, I honestly wouldn't like to see him be able to do those kinds of things. But that's personal preference.



Nice

It harkens back to preboot, when he left that guy surrounded by sharks and left them to decide the guy's fate.

Forgot that guys name, PAD run with the Gold armor and killed Aquaman's Dolphin mother.

Lol, alot of stuff PAD did for Aquaman is referenced in the New52 which is great. I really enjoy the reimaginings of such a great run, glad somethings are changed though and some kept.

I really wonder where Aquaman would of been today of PAD didn't get any editorial interference and was allowed to do what he wanted.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
http://static1.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111244877/4783971-2_08-1.jpg

Control over the storm... Wind and rain... Thunder and lightning?

I'm strangely drawn to this Aquaman...
shifty

May have to start reading AQ again.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I seriously would love to see AM with a boost though. Even if it comes with a price. His temperament while wielding the trident should be mercurial imo

As cool as it would be to see Aquaman get an upgrade that's, Hal Parralax or Flash God of Death type thing for an arc. Just because he's never had one, I think it would be cool. I wouldn't make him to OP though either I'd increase his versatility more than his power output.

I like the idea of him calling on his trident though, I think in the first Injustice Game he'd portal his trident to himself. Would of been a cool way to keep both tridents even. Poseidon Blessing he summons every once in awhile, and the Dead King's trident he carries around on avg.

If they want to give him any short term power amp, I think a fun way to do it, is have him wear all the Atlantean relics and have some special effects given his lineage.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Control over the storm... Wind and rain... Thunder and lightning?

I'm strangely drawn to this Aquaman...
shifty

May have to start reading AQ again.
Lol must have something to do with your avatars

TBH as cool as the powers are, if you read the Bunn's run I'd suggest doing so in a way where your not looking at the character as Aquaman. I liked alot of Cullen Bunn's ideas and concepts but his characterization was really off.

Phucjers, a more handsome and beautiful poster has already shown that scan,on page 1.

Lol.

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
As cool as it would be to see Aquaman get an upgrade that's, Hal Parralax or Flash God of Death type thing for an arc. Just because he's never had one, I think it would be cool. I wouldn't make him to OP though either I'd increase his versatility more than his power output.

I like the idea of him calling on his trident though, I think in the first Injustice Game he'd portal his trident to himself. Would of been a cool way to keep both tridents even. Poseidon Blessing he summons every once in awhile, and the Dead King's trident he carries around on avg.

If they want to give him any short term power amp, I think a fun way to do it, is have him wear all the Atlantean relics and have some special effects given his lineage.

Yea. I dont want him having too much power. But like u said he's im definite need of at least a temp boost. I always viewed the trident as an "In case of emergency break glass" type weapon. Or use at your peril. I mean water covers what 70 percent if the earth. Dude should realistically be uber af, rich af, but we still get fish jokes. That's y i hope Mamoa man brings some prestige and badassery to the character. Up his street cree

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yea. I dont want him having too much power. But like u said he's im definite need of at least a temp boost. I always viewed the trident as an "In case of emergency break glass" type weapon. Or use at your peril. I mean water covers what 70 percent if the earth. Dude should realistically be uber af, rich af, but we still get fish jokes. That's y i hope Mamoa man brings some prestige and badassery to the character. Up his street cree

Sadly I honestly think the DCEU is going to be another platform where Aquaman is more of a peer to his colleagues than the comics. It seems like the comics will always fluctuate because of a different writers. Bryan Hitch, Dan Abnett, Geoff Johns, Jeff Parker, Cullen Bunn's have all written him for several issues in a 50 so issue timeframe. Which is a pretty short time for that many writers. I feel like Johns if he was still writing would of cleared any doubt of where Aquaman stands physically.

Injustice, and Throne of Atlantis are examples of media portraying him more Uber like. Ocean Master cleaning house with the League in the Animated movie, and Aquaman wrecking shit in Injustice. He's always been rich, it's just not always flexed around its more like "it's there if I need it".

Problem it seems that when AM is upped Superman by default is worfed or nerfed

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Problem it seems that when AM is upped Superman by default is worfed or nerfed
They didn't seem to do that in Injustice, the only instance that happened to I can recall is The Throne of Atlantis movie, and it's more likely that Superman was where he typically is at in that animated verse and just Orm and Arthur were elevated higher.

Momoa will make Aquaman great (again?).

You'll see,he'll be the christopher reeve of the character.

And yeah, in Injustice Aquaman was very well respected. During one of the clashes you can do between him and Supes he says "I'm as strong as you are.", and Supes says "Almost". With emphasis.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Momoa will make Aquaman great (again?).

You'll see,he'll be the christopher reeve of the character.

I generally dislike violence, but you make me want to make an exception.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Momoa will make Aquaman great (again?).

You'll see,he'll be the christopher reeve of the character.

And yeah, in Injustice Aquaman was very well respected. During one of the clashes you can do between him and Supes he says "I'm as strong as you are.", and Supes says "Almost". With emphasis.

Yeah that injustice clash got me gigiddy. Even in fight scenes Aquaman came off pretty powerful. He went toe to toe with Flash and Shazam at the same time in story mode for Christ sake.

I'm being/trying-to-be optimistic in regards to the DCEU. Especially given Wan is the director that puts the character in safe hands.

I don't know anything about James Wan as a director, mind explaining why you are you optimistic about him for Aquaman?

But I do think he will be treated hella well in JL movie. My prediction is that he'll be the 'big gun' of the team until Supes returns. Momoa probably has the biggest fanbase of the roster, or at least the most fervent. Everyone knows Affleck of course, but few people 'fanboy' for Affleck.

And I think Cavill hinted at Supes and Aquaman having an interesting interaction. Maybe its a rivalry.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I generally dislike violence, but you make me want to make an exception.

Prepare yourself for the definitive Aquaman for generations to come. So it is written, in the Book of Rage!