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Cannonball & Husk

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Nightcrawler & Abyss (pre M-day)

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Psylocke and Captain Britain

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Invisible Woman & Human Torch

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Colossus and Magik

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Wiccan & Speed

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Ben Reilly & Peter Parker

I know this is a lot and there are some that aren't there but I tried to keep it balanced.

fight takes place in the Danger Room that changes its program every 5 minutes to a different time period ranging from prehistoric to present time but the location will always be NYC. so it can go from skyscrapers to complete forest and everything between.

No one is bloodlusted, or amped past their current status right now unless stated otherwise. and must fight until dead or incapacitated.

which team takes it?

Magik could just dump everyone into Limbo, no?

I was assuming no BFR except to use teleportation within the danger room.

Magik and Colossus. Mostly due to being the most hax plus she basically negates the other versatile character Wiccan. She has TP shields to protect from Betsy. Magical shields, demon hordes, cloaking, illusions, mystical senses to track Sue, transmutation, hell fire, etc...She has a counter for everyone here. She also has the least morals. Honestly Colossus is a non factor. I guess she can use him as wrecking ball by porting him into people.

If this is bloodlust Wiccan turns into the Demiurge and wrecks the universe.

i think in a free for all team rumble it's doubtful she's going to be to do all that before 'somebody gets to her. she and colossus could win but its not a stomp I don't see her dealing with parker and reilly well. or the fantastic team for that matter.

The mass of demons she can summon to the battlefield would be enough to occupy everyone.

I thought her powers were on the fritz

abyss could open a portal an clear the demons too. TBH I didn't know magik has become so OP with Dr strange upgrade

Magik can screw around w/ pre cog even her demons can by pass limited pre cog like spider senses

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Illusions to make them fight each other
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She can go in cloaked, not just invisible but completely cloaked

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She can shut down teleporters

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She can heal herself and others
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She has shields that took on a moon busting attack
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Her demons can possess anyone and anything
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She can just absorb people into her Soul Sword
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turn intangible

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Turn them into demons
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She can even freeze them, depower them or manipulate time.

Good thinking. All those powers will come in handy when Psylocke mind controls Magik into fighting everyone else.

Originally posted by StyleTime
All those powers will come in handy when Psylocke mind controls Magik into fighting everyone else.

Nope. Xavier, Emma and Shadowking can't get in her mind.

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Scott needed way more than Betsy when he wanted Magik contained
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Originally posted by nwg202
Nope. Xavier, Emma and Shadowking can't get in her mind.

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Scott needed way more than Betsy when he wanted Magik contained
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I disagree. She's been mind controlled before multiple times. Future Xavier did it, Mindee Cuckoo psychically tortured her, and Karma has possessed her too.
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We can't freeze Magik 30 years in the past. Her tp defenses were bound to fade eventually, especially with the telepathic power creep everyone's gotten. And this is Psylocke, the first and only telepath to break through Fantomex's defenses. If Mindee is a problem for Illyana, Betsy is a nightmare.

Fortunately, blood-lust isn't on, so this match will be chaotic though.

Originally posted by StyleTime
I disagree. She's been mind controlled before multiple times. Future Xavier did it, Mindee Cuckoo psychically tortured her, and Karma has possessed her too.
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We can't freeze Magik 30 years in the past. Her tp defenses were bound to fade eventually, especially with the telepathic power creep everyone's gotten. And this is Psylocke, the first and only telepath to break through Fantomex's defenses. If Mindee is a problem for Illyana, Betsy is a nightmare.

Fortunately, blood-lust isn't on, so this match will be chaotic though.

That's kinda of a low showing and writer probably forgot she had shields on. Just like how they forgot her teleportation is he mutant power and not magical in nature in Doc Strange's book. She was able to block Emma w/ Cerebra. Legion also had to resort to hypnotism when Magik said she said psy-shields on. IIRC also that was Mindee who was being mind controlled by either future Xavier or Jean. So that wasn't just her own power. That one showing can't undo so many showings of her resisting TP.

Karma has possessed her but she's also resisted Karma as well.
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Karma was able to possess Amora, the same Amora who could block out Xavier

I didn't just post one showing though, and other telepaths have gotten into her head too. Young Jean and Xavier being examples. Mindee was forced to attack, but she wasn't being amped. That Xavier was busy controlling his own team and powering his Xorn Jean doll. He figured using a Cuckoo would be easier than trying to overcome all remaining X-men, so ge sneak attacked Mindee and used her.

Amora was dazed when Karma did that, as she doesn't have inherent psi-defense like some. Monet and Xavier did get into her head before she actually activated her magic.

Magik has resistance true. So does Wolverine. Or Gambit. Or Madison Jeffries. Or Sage. Etc. It doesn't give them immunity though, and they've all fallen prey to telepathic shenanigans. The telepathic landscape has just grown so much since that era of "grrr, my dark/hardcore mind shields me from tp, rawr."

This match isn't as cut and dry and you're making it.

I agree she has resistance, a high degree of resistance and she's shown that vs telepaths more powerful than Betsy.

Betsy, Jean, Xavier, etc.. have been able to affect Cain through his helmet but people still believe him immune to TP. Magik should have more layers of protection vs most opponents out there. Which means she could port out and totally sever the TP hold like when she ported out the New mutants and broke shadow king's TP hold on them.

Does Betsy have the same resistance vs magic? Her magic has also harmed people who supposed to be immune to magic. Heck, the Silver surfer couldn't undo her magic. Magik has also always been portrayed as a bigger powerhouse compared to Betsy. Even during her first showings it's been said that it's her destiny to destroy humanity.

Magik was able to let Emma into her brain when she lowered her shields, the same storyline she was able to block out Emma amped by Cerebra.

She's also been affected or outright taken over by telepaths less powerful than Betsy too. Regardles, this is current, post AOA-Jean upgrade Betsy, who has done some things even Xavier and Jean couldn't. She's just a totally different animal these days.

On Cain, it'd derail the thread.

Betsy doesn't have any magic resistance in particular, aside from what her TK could block I guess.

My issue here was the notion that Magik is waltzing through this completely unthreatened by anyone here. That's the picture you've been painting, which isn't true. Magik, generally speaking, gets a wicked case of Highball Syndrome tbh.

This is an interesting match with a lot of combatants, especially since bloodlust is off.

Going by feats and even going by victories vs really powerful opponents she certianly has the biggest chances of winning here. She's the only one here who has counters for all the combatants involved.

Going by raw power the only person that is more powerful than is a blodlusted wiccan. She a hell lord and sorcerer supreme.

Honestly Magik is nerfed pretty hard in order for her to function in a typical x-men story. What stops her from flooding the area w demons or taking every fight to limbo? They even forgot about her armor w the costume change with no explanation given. I'd agree with you if you can show me a statement where she lost her psy shields or that her powers are much weaker now outside of the no magic thing happening in stranges book.

Lots of characters are nerfed for story purposes though(not always bad if it's narratively justifiable). She's powerful no doubt, but this fight has a lot of factors in it. Even if Psylocke doesn't full on mind control from the get go, psychic interference could wreak havoc here. Brian or Invisible Woman could KO her while she's fighting Betsy's influence, for example.

Eh let's just agree to disagree. In a battle forum setting where everyone is operating at their best. She really has what it takes to crush everyone here. She's a ruler (who can pull random powers out of her ass) of an ominiversal dimension w/ endless demon hordes.

Having an endless demon horde with all sorts of powers makes for great crowd control.

She's the most ruthless and the most cunning. She's also the most mobile. ( best combat teleporation feats around) She defeated the Elder Gods w/ her brains and has manipulated a ton of characters including the x-men to suit her needs.

Power wise she's only dwarfed by a bloodlusted Wiccan, Standard Wiccan gets his powers canceled by the Soul Sword.

Even with all the nerfs for her type of powers, (no bfr, no limbo, no time travel, etc...) She has the most versatile offense and defense and outside of Wiccan it's not even close.

Raw power- Wiccan (multiversal reality warper)>>>>>>>>Magik (Hell Lord)>>>>>everyone else.

Cool. I don't have a problem with you thinking she wins. I just wanted to shed light on the other side here. With regards to Psylocke specifically, she isn't the most "powerful" on the field in terms of destructive capacity. Human Torch could easily outdo her, for example. I just think current Psylocke, who was smashing psi-defenses and even penetrating immunities pre-upgrade, is also capable of taking this. She's aware of the threat Illyana presents, so is quite likely to look Magik's way at match start.

But it's just a hard call. Most large battles are. Husk, who has outran bullets fired before she even de-skinned, could just as easily blitz someone while they engage with someone else. She literally set the ground on fire she was moving so fast. There's a lot of threats on this field.

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Originally posted by StyleTime
Cool. I don't have a problem with you thinking she wins. I just wanted to shed light on the other side here. With regards to Psylocke specifically, she isn't the most "powerful" on the field in terms of destructive capacity. Human Torch could easily outdo her, for example. I just think current Psylocke, who was smashing psi-defenses and even penetrating immunities pre-upgrade, is also capable of taking this. She's aware of the threat Illyana presents, so is quite likely to look Magik's way at match start.

But it's just a hard call. Most large battles are. Husk, who has outran bullets fired before she even de-skinned, could just as easily blitz someone while they engage with someone else. She literally set the ground on fire she was moving so fast. There's a lot of threats on this field.



I totally agree, a lot of times it's not about power and outside Magik or Wiccan I'd go with Betsy. Unless some of the others have TP resistance feats I'm not aware of. I'd usually take hax over raw power. Actually I'd even go w/ Betsy over normal Wiccan if he's never displayed any TP resistance since he doesn't have Magik's reaction feats.

I was imagining everyone going at each other at the same time and tried to make it so no one person or team dominates. Magik is very powerful but I don't think she could do all of this before someone could get to her. if I'm not mistaken she has to concentrate to use her powers and spells; not saying she will be completely distracted but I do think she'll be distracted enough to pull out many of those feats.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Magik could just dump everyone into Limbo, no?

CB could just teleport them out, no?

Originally posted by krisblaze
CB could just teleport them out, no?

Can he? Has he?

Being able to teleport/open portals =/= automatically being able to get out of Limbo.

Plus, why would Cap port the others out? At best, he'd only do his own team.

So the point still stands. It massively cuts the field down if only the Braddocks and Rasputins were left after Magik opened multiple portals.

and the Nightcrawler crew... Wiccan can teleport too

but no BFR

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Can he? Has he?

Being able to teleport/open portals =/= automatically being able to get out of Limbo.

Plus, why would Cap port the others out? At best, he'd only do his own team.

So the point still stands. It massively cuts the field down if only the Braddocks and Rasputins were left after Magik opened multiple portals.

I meant his own team.

And he did in in Secret Avengers and Uncanny X-Force.

BFR is off, anyway, but point taken.

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Originally posted by staxamillion
I was imagining everyone going at each other at the same time and tried to make it so no one person or team dominates. Magik is very powerful but I don't think she could do all of this before someone could get to her. if I'm not mistaken she has to concentrate to use her powers and spells; not saying she will be completely distracted but I do think she'll be distracted enough to pull out many of those feats.

A lot of her spells don't require any incantation or hand gestures. She fire magical blass and hell fire attacks like any other non magical character. She uses spells in mid combat all the time. Just one spell like cloaking and she can basically waltz through the battlefield taking her sweet time assuming her TP shields hold. She has better reaction feats then other mages since she's also a melee fighter and she uses her teleportation to evade attacks unlike a lot of other mages.

She is the only character in this battle that has defence for every character here. TP shields vs Betsy, mystic senses vs Sue, feats of screwing up pre cog w/o using any spell vs spiderman, instant teleportation vs blitzes, eldritch armor, intangibility bfr and magical shields vs energy and physical attacks, anti magic sword and armor vs magic.

She has attacks the most characters here have no defense for. Cloaking, possession, soul manipulation and other hax powers. She's ripped through characters w/ magical Immunity.

Her teleportation >>> than the other porters. She doesn't need to touch or see her opponent to teleport them. She teleported the x-men out of an attack while she was in a different dimension and continent. Just like speedsters, not all teleporters are equal when it comes to feats.

She does multi task spells, she put a magical shield, summoned an energy demon and used an energy manipulation spell to turn a fleet of sentinels into dust (internal attacks)

She has a demonic horde as back up. She can totally out number everyone here by herself. Her demons destroyed different timelines when they aren't jobbing.

She has greater range than anyone here, she can attack from a different planet, time line or dimension ( she has done that) Not applicable here due to location but just saying...

I don't see why having all these advantages doesn't make her the clear favourite in this battle.

she might be a favourite for you but I don't think its a stomp. if she was going all out and cared for no one else on the battlefield maybe. I more or less wanted a battle where they acted and fought as they would in comics not forum. also they arent trying to kill anyone even though some might die. there will be all of NYC to play around with so please take into account stealth, tactics, gadgets as well as powersets.

couldn't Sue Storm just as easily put a bubble in her head? or Johnny go supernova and take everyone out? couldn't Parker tag her with a tracker so they would know where she was despite teleports? could not abyss or wiccan teleport the demon hordes or monsters away?

from what you say I don't see why the teams wouldn't be going at her in concert if she's as threatening to everyone. I don't think she can take psylocke ninja skills on top of everything captain Britain has on top of the spider bros on top of a speed and wiccan at the same time even with colossus, which would happen if anyone if they emerged as the top dog.

Originally posted by nwg202
A lot of her spells don't require any incantation or hand gestures. She fire magical blass and hell fire attacks like any other non magical character. She uses spells in mid combat all the time. Just one spell like cloaking and she can basically waltz through the battlefield taking her sweet time assuming her TP shields hold. She has better reaction feats then other mages since she's also a melee fighter and she uses her teleportation to evade attacks unlike a lot of other mages.

She is the only character in this battle that has defence for every character here. TP shields vs Betsy, mystic senses vs Sue, feats of screwing up pre cog w/o using any spell vs spiderman, instant teleportation vs blitzes, eldritch armor, intangibility bfr and magical shields vs energy and physical attacks, anti magic sword and armor vs magic.

She has attacks the most characters here have no defense for. Cloaking, possession, soul manipulation and other hax powers. She's ripped through characters w/ magical Immunity.

Her teleportation >>> than the other porters. She doesn't need to touch or see her opponent to teleport them. She teleported the x-men out of an attack while she was in a different dimension and continent. Just like speedsters, not all teleporters are equal when it comes to feats.

She does multi task spells, she put a magical shield, summoned an energy demon and used an energy manipulation spell to turn a fleet of sentinels into dust (internal attacks)

She has a demonic horde as back up. She can totally out number everyone here by herself. Her demons destroyed different timelines when they aren't jobbing.

She has greater range than anyone here, she can attack from a different planet, time line or dimension ( she has done that) Not applicable here due to location but just saying...

I don't see why having all these advantages doesn't make her the clear favourite in this battle.

The advantages aren't significant enough.

Her TP defences aren't strong enough to resist Psylocke.
Her magic isn't strong enough to get through Brian's invulnerability/new magic defenses.
Same with possession, useless against these two.
They can see through any magical illusion.
They can counter any teleportation.

Originally posted by staxamillion
she might be a favourite for you but I don't think its a stomp. if she was going all out and cared for no one else on the battlefield maybe. I more or less wanted a battle where they acted and fought as they would in comics not forum. also they arent trying to kill anyone even though some might die. there will be all of NYC to play around with so please take into account stealth, tactics, gadgets as well as powersets.

couldn't Sue Storm just as easily put a bubble in her head? or Johnny go supernova and take everyone out? couldn't Parker tag her with a tracker so they would know where she was despite teleports? could not abyss or wiccan teleport the demon hordes or monsters away?

from what you say I don't see why the teams wouldn't be going at her in concert if she's as threatening to everyone. I don't think she can take psylocke ninja skills on top of everything captain Britain has on top of the spider bros on top of a speed and wiccan at the same time even with colossus, which would happen if anyone if they emerged as the top dog.

Well if we're going to talk about tactics, Magik manipulated all the x-men and found a way beat the Elder Gods, she risked the destruction of the universe. I don't think anyone here is as cunning or ruthless. She would throw fights and even let herself and her teammates get tortured even if she saw the future already happen just to stick to her master plan.

She plays the long game very well. Even Kang couldn't do anything when her demon hordes started erasing timelines left and right.

She's the stealthiest character here. She could hide from cosmic powered opponents, Xavier and Emma who was amped by Cerebra

Magik is also the best tracker in this group. She can track people across galaxies, time and dimensions. She can follow energy signatures, souls, etc...She knew the instant Dani moonstar when from Earth to Hela's realm while she was in prison. Even Nate grey couldn't find Dani. She tracked down Xavier Jr when he was blocking everyone else from tracking him. Illyana found Legion outside creation itself. A Non jobbing Magik should have no problems tracking people in the Danger room.

Regarding a bubble in the head from Sue, that's why I didn't use any of Magik's insta-kill tactics either like tele-dismemberment. Magik has spells that counter teleportation. Kurt and co don't to my knowledge.

If everyone is teleported into the room at the sometime why would everyone focus on her at once w/o getting their bearings? Magik has ported in Cloaked or hidden several times which would give her time to assess the situation.

Still don't see an answer for intangible demons who can regen and copy powers. She Magik can stop teleporters. Can I see feats of the other porters preventing teleportation?

Originally posted by krisblaze
The advantages aren't significant enough.

Her TP defences aren't strong enough to resist Psylocke.
Her magic isn't strong enough to get through Brian's invulnerability/new magic defenses.
Same with possession, useless against these two.
They can see through any magical illusion.
They can counter any teleportation.

Magik has TP resistance Betsy doesn't have Magik resistance to my knowledge, why would Betsy win in a quick draw?

Brian was possessed by her demons during Inferno. The even took over Phoenix Rachel. I haven't been up to date w/ their magical resistance so that makes things interesting. She could port in S'ym to double team him.

How do they counter teleportation? Not up to date on their new powers.

im not saying anyone instakills anyone, (I think that magik escalating into bringing out major demons is the same thing) but its possible that's why I put no bloodlust in the OP. and not that they would all start off against magik's team but if magik's team is wrecking everyone like you say they would then the only hope to even win the competition would be to work together.

I knew magik would be a favourite but not an outright stomp. teamwork should work to subdue anyone on this field. black widow gave amped P5 magik trouble in AvX so its not impossible that psylocke wouldn't either as I would say she is better.

Originally posted by staxamillion
im not saying anyone instakills anyone, (I think that magik escalating into bringing out major demons is the same thing) but its possible that's why I put no bloodlust in the OP.

Magik uses demons to bully her own teammates. She doesn't have the same moral compass as a traditional hero.

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What's to stop Johnny from going Nova while sue makes a shield to protect herself? Also, what would stop sue from putting a bubble in the heads of her opponents and then expanding it?

with the team took to limbo in hellbound they survived demon hordes without any losses and cannonball was there and shown to be ok fighting demon hordes along with anole. i have no doubt that the lineup here can do as well anole could then.

i think rogue said that when she had the P5 amp plus wasn't that in limbo not the danger room. i thought N'astirh was killed in hellbound. and s'ym is what it once was either. Match has shown to be able to burn up demons as well in Limbo so i think Human torch should be able to.

Those demons job like crazy and dont use all the powers they possess. Non jobbing demons destryoed countless marvel earths and have put down whole teams of heroes.

It's like you expect everyone else to be at their best while Magik holds back. Seriously, Spider-man? Human Torch? Nightcrawler? The only person here who is in the same tier power wise is Wiccan. (non bloodlust) and In character Magik will not hold back as much as other heroes.

S'ym tanked binarys blasts and logan's claws. The only reason they suurvived hell bound is they freed Magik from a plot device weapon. Demons weren't amped on phoenix force when they contained the avengers and a non jobbing S'ym would wreck everyone here by himself

Originally posted by deathslash
What's to stop Johnny from going Nova while sue makes a shield to protect herself? Also, what would stop sue from putting a bubble in the heads of her opponents and then expanding it?

Morals. Also Magik could teleport their heads of send them into a black hole. She also has magical shields that can tank a nova attack or port into another dimension and come back after or open a bfr shield to send the flames elsewhere.

no I just take an average and what she can do and what she actually does normally as I do with all with characters. there's no real villains here and I already stated no one is going all out. Magik does have different morals but she doesn't just murder people in a fight unless its a villain.

in recent depictions which is only what I am going by, she has only been shown to teleport mostly, and sometimes lets out a BA looking demon from her limbo (usually something they take care of rather quickly), or a spell/monster from strange's playbook that I haven't seen to be effective on these teams. iirc she has all of her limbo dimension currently within herself and is afraid use it a lot because it was breaking down which is why she went to Strange in order to learn how to use her powers. I could give you unstoppable demon hordes in limbo but im still looking for her to unleash hordes since she was nerfed and reset. if anything you could make the argument that she mainly relies on her soulsword and teleports now. one could say that the soulsword has expanded and now channels and fires magical energy and that is her main go to lately. the only time I've seen her unleash a demon from limbo on earth in recent time she did it by mistake a freaked herself out then storm zapped it no problem.

also it can be argued that magik has matured as well and is not going to react to fighting with friends without any care.

Magik fairly recently beat Dormammu 2x and the World eater.

She lights up iceman w/ hellfire just for kicks. (Iceman normally doesn't get hurt w/ fire based attacks)
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One-shots Crystal, Gorgon and Reader
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Easily blocks Torchs blast w/ sword without even looking
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One-shots amped Amped Colossus w/ apoc tech who was wrecking the x-men (iceman, storm,Jean, etc..)
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Uses demons to delay M and rip up brood
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Takes out It the living Colossus and other Monster Isle monsters
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Use AOE blast
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Takes out shield agents w/ demons w/o even being on the battle field
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Ports out a ton of X-men from huge explosion
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Takes out cosmic powered slaughter lord in orbit
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Takes out dead pool and cl100 molly who's thrashing Colossus
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Easily Evades Thor's AOE blast and Hammer. ( Thor says demon slaying is tiring and loses focus which could give Magik opening to wreck him behind)
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Cloaks from cosmic powered slaughter lords
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uses spell that causes Mercuy (someone who is supposed to be immune to magic) to blow up
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Going by feats and going by wins opponents Magik takes this.

Honestly one cloaking spell, one magical shield, a tele-blitz and the Soul Sword are all she needs to win this.

If we go by everyones high end feats Magik solo stomps this whole field sans multiversal reality warper Wiccan. She has a ton of high end showings compared to everyone here.

magik is definitely a beast against magical entities and the soulsword seems to be upgraded as well. I hadn't read inhumans vs x-men yet so idk how that bout with M ended.

I'm not saying she can't win. I'm just saying she's not stomping like you are suggesting. it took her a couple of panels to execute the spell on mercury and im not sure if it was spell that blew her up or caused a chemical reaction. in the time to spell that someone could have whammed her with something.

if you take spiderman's, psylocke's and captain Britain's high feats you have impressive sh1testomping stats too. Magik can do these things because she has a weapon uniquely geared towards handling those situations. the soulsword cuts magic end of story if anyone else had it then they could also execute those feats. as far as the demon summoning goes I didn't see any in the brood scan and in the one with at the shield facility only showed a couple rando agents (fodder) knocked out probably from fear but... we don't know. neither fight against deadpool nor molly is impressive. evading the thor's AOE not impressive with her teleportation which we all know about.

Originally posted by staxamillion
magik is definitely a beast against magical entities and the soulsword seems to be upgraded as well. I hadn't read inhumans vs x-men yet so idk how that bout with M ended.

I'm not saying she can't win. I'm just saying she's not stomping like you are suggesting. it took her a couple of panels to execute the spell on mercury and im not sure if it was spell that blew her up or caused a chemical reaction. in the time to spell that someone could have whammed her with something.

if you take spiderman's, psylocke's and captain Britain's high feats you have impressive sh1testomping stats too. Magik can do these things because she has a weapon uniquely geared towards handling those situations. the soulsword cuts magic end of story if anyone else had it then they could also execute those feats. as far as the demon summoning goes I didn't see any in the brood scan and in the one with at the shield facility only showed a couple rando agents (fodder) knocked out probably from fear but... we don't know. neither fight against deadpool nor molly is impressive. evading the thor's AOE not impressive with her teleportation which we all know about.

Nope. Magik was tanking the word eaters attacks. The same world eater that destroys dimensions. Dormy also stated he tried to kill Magik with everything he had and he couldn't. The spell with mercury only required a gesture. Stop lowballing.

Magik at full power has Hell Lords commenting on how powerful she is. The soul sword not only affects magical creatures. It takes out beings as powerful Legion. All those feats i posted were ave feats. You can see the demon tentacles ripping apart the brood.

Who else in this battle can evade Thor's AOE attack? maybe Speed or the teleporters. The attack on the shield agents shows Magik's range. She can attack from a different galaxy and in inferno Limbo attacked through out multiple timelines.

Do you seriously want to go through the list of opponents everyone here has beaten? I guarantee you Magik wipes the floor w/ everyone.

Who has the most powerful rouges gallery here? Are you seriously comparing Spider-man to Magik?

she can tank magik power too. she has been laid out in regular h2h as well.

what you should be trying to argue imo is her attacking power with her sword because she could do some damage shooting magik or whatever that discharge is.

im not lowballing the spell took three panels. somebody could literally port/run/fly in and sock her in that time frame. enough time for at least two speech bubble from magik herself.

what I am saying is if you take the highest feats of anybody here and they look pretty ridiculously strong especially if you ignore everything else.

I guess I should thank you no one else wanted really wanted to touch this thread except for to tell you that Magik isn't shitstomping this like you say and its almost 4 pages long.

Originally posted by staxamillion
she can tank magik power too. she has been laid out in regular h2h as well.

what you should be trying to argue imo is her attacking power with her sword because she could do some damage shooting magik or whatever that discharge is.

im not lowballing the spell took three panels. somebody could literally port/run/fly in and sock her in that time frame. enough time for at least two speech bubble from magik herself.

what I am saying is if you take the highest feats of anybody here and they look pretty ridiculously strong especially if you ignore everything else.

I guess I should thank you no one else wanted really wanted to touch this thread except for to tell you that Magik isn't shitstomping this like you say and its almost 4 pages long.

I posted scans of the sword taking out non magical opponents w/ greater durability then most the people here. She's tanked and evaded Canonball's blitz.

Kitty pride used Magik's sword and couldn't put down this demon while Magik could. The demon says Kitty did not know how to wield the blade.

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No one here has as many high end feats here compared to Magik.

To put it simply, Magik can beat any opponent that the heroes listed here can beat but not everyone on this list can beat beings that Magik can beat.

With access to all their resources and feats, yes Magik is stomping everyone here outside of Wiccan.

Originally posted by nwg202
If we go by everyones high end feats Magik solo stomps this whole field sans multiversal reality warper Wiccan. She has a ton of high end showings compared to everyone here.
High end feats only? Psylocke puts everyone to sleep, barring a blitz. She wouldn't care about resistances.

Even CIS off, it'd just be a quick draw.

Not really if we just go by hi end Magik has resisted telepaths with greater power like xavier rachel etc...betsy to my knowledge has never displayed and magic resistance vs powerful mages consistently. A magik going all out is the darkchylde one of the most powerful hell lords in marvel.

Originally posted by nwg202
Not really if we just go by hi end Magik has resisted telepaths with greater power like xavier rachel etc...betsy to my knowledge has never displayed and magic resistance vs powerful mages consistently. A magik going all out is the darkchylde one of the most powerful hell lords in marvel.

Resisting a mind-probe is not the same as resisting a telepathic attack.

And Rachel isnt a greater telepath than Betsy.

And Fantomex has far more consistent immunity feats than Magik. His mask had a perfect record, until Psylocke decided she didn't care.

High end only Psylocke is an entirely different beast. No one here could resist her in any way.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Resisting a mind-probe is not the same as resisting a telepathic attack.

And Rachel isnt a greater telepath than Betsy.

Xavier and the shadow king couldnt control Magik. The shadowking was able to control storm and the other new mutants who have strong showings in tp resistance.

High end Magik could make limbo comsume the universe and start inferno all over again. The only reason why Inferno ended was because she stopped it. All of marvels superteams couldnt do anything about it.

Originally posted by nwg202
Xavier and the shadow king couldnt control Magik. The shadowking was able to control storm and the other new mutants who have strong showings in tp resistance.
They failed against Fantomex too. So did Phoenix. And the Cuckoo's. And Young Jean. Etc. Unlike Magik, no telepath ever succeeded against him.

Didn't stop Psylocke. She blazed right through a legit immunity. High end, she would put anyone here to sleep.

This battle isn't bloodlusted, or CIS off fortunately.

Agree to disagree again.

There is no way Betsy is above Xavier or Phoenix.

Hell Lord with a ton of TP resistance feats > Psychic Ninja w/ no magic resistance.

She's actually brought part of Limbo into earth several times though. 2 or 3 but yeah she won't do it here.

Doesnt matter.

That shit is irrelevant and no one could bring more firepower than the Britain Corps anyways.

Originally posted by nwg202
Agree to disagree again.

There is no way Betsy is above Xavier or Phoenix.

Hell Lord with a ton of TP resistance feats > Psychic Ninja w/ no magic resistance.

She's actually brought part of Limbo into earth several times though. 2 or 3 but yeah she won't do it here.
Well, this one isn't an agree to disagree. You said high end, which means she has feats surpassing them both, including one against a character with true immunity.

High end only, she'd bulldoze straight past Magik's resistance. On panel, high end Psylocke bypasses complete immunity(which Magik doesn't have to begin with).

Just don't see what's to debate with regards to high end. /shrug

Yeah, Psylocke is the only one who has gotten into Fantomex's head.

Not the Cuckoos, Rachel, Jean, Xavier, Shadow King. A who's who of TP mutants.

And Fantomex casually resisted all of them. Casually.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Well, this one isn't an agree to disagree. You said high end, which means she has feats surpassing them both, including one against a character with true immunity.

High end only, she'd bulldoze straight past Magik's resistance. On panel, high end Psylocke bypasses complete immunity(which Magik doesn't have to begin with).

Just don't see what's to debate with regards to high end. /shrug


I said no one has as many high end showings as Magik. Multiple high end showings. She has a track record of beating characters Betsy has no hope of beating.

Magik has beaten a multiple characters who are sky father and hell lord level characters. She's had her demon armies wipe out entire time lines. She's gone into Legion's head and wrecked his personalities. She has resisted several powerful Telepaths like Xavier multiple times. She's beaten characters like Strange, Demon Juggernaut, Legion, etc..

She's the x-men's designated team buster not Betsy.

Forcing Fantomex to take off his mask not as impressive as stomping on Dormammu w/o prep in a one on one battle. Why would Betsy also win in a quick draw? Magik also only has to think to get an attack off.

I can't believe people actually think Betsy can take Magik on in a forum setting. What's next Betsy can take on Thor, the Avengers and the Phoenix 5 since Xavier put them all to sleep at the same time?

These outlandish scenarios are about as realistic as Brian or Betsy ducking into otherworld and sterilizing the battlefield with the universe-killer

Originally posted by krisblaze
These outlandish scenarios are about as realistic as Brian or Betsy ducking into otherworld and sterilizing the battlefield with the universe-killer

Outside of bringing limbo to earth. What scenario is outlandish?

Blitz, cloaking, summoning aid and attacking from a different dimension.

Originally posted by nwg202
I said no one has as many high end showings as Magik. Multiple high end showings. She has a track record of beating characters Betsy has no hope of beating.

Magik has beaten a multiple characters who are sky father and hell lord level characters. She's had her demon armies wipe out entire time lines. She's gone into Legion's head and wrecked his personalities. She has resisted several powerful Telepaths like Xavier multiple times. She's beaten characters like Strange, Demon Juggernaut, Legion, etc..

She's the x-men's designated team buster not Betsy.

Forcing Fantomex to take off his mask not as impressive as stomping on Dormammu w/o prep in a one on one battle. Why would Betsy also win in a quick draw? Magik also only has to think to get an attack off.

I can't believe people actually think Betsy can take Magik on in a forum setting. What's next Betsy can take on Thor, the Avengers and the Phoenix 5 since Xavier put them all to sleep at the same time?
Cool.

Again, you're talking high end only here. You keep mentioning Xavier, but Betsy has high end feats objectively above him. For all Magik's destructive capacity, she could still get put to sleep, as she doesn't have the feats to resist someone who can bypass complete telepathic immunity. It's a matchup issue.

Even CIS off, the best Magik is getting is a quick draw scenario.
Originally posted by nwg202
Forcing Fantomex to take off his mask not as impressive as stomping on Dormammu w/o prep in a one on one battle.
She knocked him out. Yes, it is impressive telepathically speaking, considering the folks who have failed to do the same thing. Namely, the folks you keep defending Magik with.

Originally posted by krisblaze
Blitz, cloaking, summoning aid and attacking from a different dimension.

Why would that be outlandish? Magik has cloaked herself more than a couple of times. She does summon demons to attack for her. It's even the main attack of her video game character.

She's attacked from Limbo several times. Certainly more times than Flash has IMP'ed, Gladiator fighting in nanoseconds, Surfer opening up blackholes, Shaman freezing time or Shaman X-man shifting into planck or genui-vell trapping someone between two universes.

She does tele-blitz more than most teleporters. She took out that inhuman who took down an entire team of x-men before he could activate his powers. Not only does she blitz but she completely blindsides opponents. (Attack from behind) She's done that to Ant-man, an Illusion of Black bolt, a cosmic slaughter lord, Mephisto, etc..

Originally posted by StyleTime
Cool.

Again, you're talking high end only here. You keep mentioning Xavier, but Betsy has high end feats objectively above him. For all Magik's destructive capacity, she could still get put to sleep, as she doesn't have the feats to resist someone who can bypass complete telepathic immunity. It's a matchup issue.

Even CIS off, the best Magik is getting is a quick draw scenario.

She knocked him out. Yes, it is impressive telepathically speaking, considering the folks who have failed to do the same thing. Namely, the folks you keep defending Magik with.


I'm not talking about one high end feat. I'm talking about high end averages. If it's just one feat that means Betsy can take down the Spectre since people like MM have gone into his head.

Magik has beaten Legion. But due to Legion's stature, how he was meant to be written, his power set and numerous high end showings, you won't find me arguing that Magik can beat Legion in a forum setting. Legion blinks Magik out of existence.

There isn't really an average in high end discussions though. And it's not the only thing she has. She's beaten Shadow King on the astral plane, who was beating Xavier so badly that Xavier's physical body was being ground to dust. This is while he was also controlling people like Legion. And she was under the effects of a power dampener during the Fantomex feat too. Current Psylocke has some silly high-ends, and due to the upgrade from AoA-Jean, any high feat she's ever had is applicable.

High end interpretations may as well be different characters. Betsy wouldn't get past Fantomex's mask in normal circumstances, for example. And Shadow King would probably leave her a drooling mess.

As for the actual thread, like I said, it's not easy for anyone here.