Canon Quotes On Midi-chlorian Manipulation?

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SunRazer
Other than Palpatine's comments in RotS, of course.

Also, with the RotS novel being non-canon, and the RotS junior novel being dubiously canon, there's no outright canon source indicating that Palpatine saved Anakin with the Force, is there?

In that case, is it arguable that Anakin survived Mustafar on sheer merit of willpower (long enough for the medical teams to arrive, anyway)? Discuss.

Darth Abonis
Yes and a science documentary on Star Wars, said that it was possible a person in good physical shape could survive that

DarthAnt66
No. It's just unknown. Unlike Legends, the new Canon has barely any material on it. Making claims one way or another on unknowns is just blindly reaching.

SunRazer
Sounds about right. We'll have to wait for a source to mention it.

Darth Luminous
Also, with the RotS novel being non-canon, and the RotS junior novel being dubiously canon

Say what?

Since when is the ROTS novel non-canon?

And on what basis does a "junior" novelization have different canonicity than a regular novelization?

NewGuy01
Both have been non-canon since late 2013.

Darth Luminous
https://mobile.twitter.com/DelReyStarWars/status/461579307341840384

"To clarify, movie novelizations are canon where they align with what is seen on screen in the 6 films and the Clone Wars animated movie."

Deronn_solo
keyword here being "where they align".

NewGuy01
The novels are only canon in the sense that they follow what's in the films, which are canon. None of their original content or insights count for anything anymore.

Darth Luminous
None of their original content or insights count for anything anymore.

Anything that aligns with the content of the films would be safe, so that would include the material addressed in the initial post. Palpatine using the Force on Anakin aligns with the film. The problem would be with things that are contradicted by what we see on screen. ( Which stands to reason anyway, and is the same idea that was at the heart of the old "canon hierarchy". )

Beniboybling
Nope, if it's not on-screen its not canon:

http://i.imgur.com/7q8Zxwf.png

Some just don't want to hear it. Canon is only what's on the screen - Episodes I-VI, TCW and what's to come.

--Pablo Hidalgo, Dec. 2013

Zenwolf
Well no one asked for Anakin to have a Padawan. Which I still feel like it doesn't make sense for his character.

Beniboybling
https://68.media.tumblr.com/1ffca48f3ea764c38966fc71adfff67d/tumblr_inline_oicvuqpdNE1te81xy_500.gif

Zenwolf
Not sure what that's suppose to mean Beni.

Although I'm not seeing why the OT novels would be considered such. I mean ya the ROTJ novel has Obi/Owen noted as brothers, but 1 line disregarding 3 whole novels seems a little bit out there.

Darth Luminous
Nope, if it's not on-screen its not canon

The problem with that:

In 2014, the preexisting SW EU was declared non-canon. Kind of a meaningless gesture if it was non-canon to begin with.

Pre-Disney comments are outdated.

As indicated here and here everything released under the new regime is considered equally canon going forward. "Movies, Rebels, Clone Wars, and all content (books, games, etc) moving forward." Around the same time we get this which most definitely isn't about something shown on a screen.

NewGuy01
Not sure what point you're trying to make. The novelizations came out long before 2014, so they don't qualify as "content moving forward."

Also, while the official chainsaw of the SWEU was announced in early 2014, the Disney/Lucasarts deal was already cut in late 2013, and Pablo Hidalgo was/is involved with the process.

Beniboybling
Originally posted by Darth Luminous
The problem with that:

In 2014, the preexisting SW EU was declared non-canon. Kind of a meaningless gesture if it was non-canon to begin with.

Pre-Disney comments are outdated.

As indicated here and here everything released under the new regime is considered equally canon going forward. "Movies, Rebels, Clone Wars, and all content (books, games, etc) moving forward." Around the same time we get this which most definitely isn't about something shown on a screen. Friend two points:

1. That first series of tweets is from 2016, and it's rather clear on the issue. The novelisations are only canon when they align or rather directly adapt what's on screen. This doesn't contradict what Del Rey have said at all.

2. That second Hidalgo tweet from 2013 is not pre-Disney, Disney took over in Dec. 2012, the Story Group was introduced in Oct. 2013 and that is point at which this new canon policy was formulated, despite the fact that the official "rollout" so to speak, came later.

Zenwolf
Although come to think of it, I don't even see why TPM/AOTC would be included in Hidalgo's tweet right there considering this would have been Anakin when he was a child/Padawan.

At best, this would just be the ROTS novel, not the other 2.

NewGuy01
That was an example, not the reason they're not canon.

Rockydonovang
Who cares, fck Disney, Their reboot is #notmycanon

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Well no one asked for Anakin to have a Padawan. Which I still feel like it doesn't make sense for his character.
It fleshed out anakin's character and gave more motivation for anakin's fall imo. Regardless it's a terrible excuse to discard Europe including the rots novelization which is the best SW book period imo.

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
It fleshed out anakin's character and gave more motivation for anakin's fall imo. Regardless it's a terrible excuse to discard Europe including the rots novelization which is the best SW book period imo.

Eh, just never felt he was a character deemed to have a Padawan given his emotional mindset. /Shrug

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Zenwolf
Eh, just never felt he was a character deemed to have a Padawan given his emotional mindset. /Shrug
Well it did flesh out what turned anakin, his attachment/fear of others dying. It also helped anakin's portrayal of loyal...to a fault

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Well it did flesh out what turned anakin, his attachment/fear of others dying. It also helped anakin's portrayal of loyal...to a fault

Kinda felt that was covered with his mother, Padme and Obi-Wan. But yeah.

Rockydonovang
Regardless for what it's worth, Ahsoka being anakin's apprentice ended up driving one of the few tcw-quality rebels episodes, twilight of the appretince is one of the best episodes from any Star Wars animated show. It also happens to be surrounded by crap filler

Zenwolf
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Regardless for what it's worth, Ahsoka being anakin's apprentice ended up driving one of the few tcw-quality rebels episodes, twilight of the appretince is one of the best episodes from any Star Wars animated show. It also happens to be surrounded by crap filler

True.

NewGuy01
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Who cares, fck Disney, Their reboot is #notmycanon

Well this thread is about the canon, so your opinion, like, doesn't matter at all.

Rockydonovang
I'd also add that ahsoka's trial showed the council having lost their way.

Then off course Star Wars lost its way with disney which(in addition to replacing tcw with a vastly inferior show, replacing the far superior post Rotj eu with a film that made the previous saga pointless, and disregarding all previous lore) decided to wreck ahsoka's character with a terrible novel that completely chucked promising story arcs(like Ahsoka liberating mandatore) for a story no one cared about, glossed over important character moments(like a reunion with anakin, saying bye to Rex), and portrayed Ahsoka as a useless, forgetful, idiot.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Well this thread is about the canon, so your opinion, like, doesn't matter at all.
#occupythethread

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Regardless it's a terrible excuse to discard Europe.

lel

Beniboybling
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Regardless it's a terrible excuse to discard Europe I agree, Brexit was a mistake.

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