Nate Grey/God Cable/Exodus vs Superman/Wonder Woman/Hal

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carver9
Who's taking this?

Sin I AM
Team 2 ftw

nwg202
Is this Shaman Nate?

carver9
Shaman

nwg202
Can they harm Nate in his energy form before he breaches their TP shields?

leonidas
if we go by best showings, dc wins. hal's ring could literally scan them (he'd know they are mutants) and just shut off the x-genes in them. he's done far more complicated feats in the past. i don't think their tk would be enough to get in done either. too much raw power on the other side, and speed. full on tp assault could do it if they worked together. tough call if they fight in character. you pretty much have to believe they mindrape ftw or dc wins.

"Id"
DC

Sin I AM
Originally posted by leonidas
hal's ring could literally scan them (he'd know they are mutants) and just shut off the x-genes in them..

When did anything remotely like this happen?

leonidas
well, among other things he has had the ring find and repair the pain receptors in hammond's head. he's transmuted people in the past (from water back to human for example), and phased energy inside people. it would be simple to have the ring scan one of them down to the molecular level (that has happened numerous times in the past, right down to the dna levels that would be needed) then in a way similar to what he did with hammond, just turn off the x-gene. i mean he's affected everything from the atomic structure of a star, to scanning and destroying nano-tech living in his own body to changing his own body into a robot. lol his ring has even genetically devolved beings on a couple occasions. there is no logical reason he couldn't attack the x-gene in the exact same way ss did. /shrug

if we look at some of hal's better feats, it's tough finding heralds who can completely match them, and that includes guys like superman. that ring is a bigger plot device than thor's hammer by a long shot.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by leonidas
well, among other things he has had the ring find and repair the pain receptors in hammond's head. he's transmuted people in the past (from water back to human for example), and phased energy inside people. it would be simple to have the ring scan one of them down to the molecular level (that has happened numerous times in the past, right down to the dna levels that would be needed) then in a way similar to what he did with hammond, just turn off the x-gene. i mean he's affected everything from the atomic structure of a star, to scanning and destroying nano-tech living in his own body to changing his own body into a robot. lol his ring has even genetically devolved beings on a couple occasions. there is no logical reason he couldn't attack the x-gene in the exact same way ss did. /shrug

if we look at some of hal's better feats, it's tough finding heralds who can completely match them, and that includes guys like superman. that ring is a bigger plot device than thor's hammer by a long shot.

It's hax but i find it hard to believe it can simply depower someone especially given that he hasnt done so before. Not a fan of NLF.

zopzop
How does T1 not stomp? The incoming PSI assault from T1 would be so massive, T2 would be reduced to blubbering idiots.

leonidas
meh, i'm not saying he would do it in a comic, but there is more than enough evidence to support his being able to do it. he may well have depowered someone in the past. i just don't recall it. he's turned an alien human at some point if a recall my bz using hal correctly so logically he should be able to do it without any real problems. i get that without seeing it it's a tougher sell though.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by leonidas
meh, i'm not saying he would do it in a comic, but there is more than enough evidence to support his being able to do it. he may well have depowered someone in the past. i just don't recall it. he's turned an alien human at some point if a recall my bz using hal correctly so logically he should be able to do it without any real problems. i get that without seeing it it's a tougher sell though.

Good post. Iono i just dont see it being that easy especially going by averages. High end only sure, averages no.

Could it be done? Sure, Sinister was able to gene manip Nate on the fly..he couldn't replicate that trick on Cable (his askani training prevented it) so maybe Hal could do it. I just don't see it as a go to tactic.

JBL
Originally posted by zopzop
How does T1 not stomp? The incoming PSI assault from T1 would be so massive, T2 would be reduced to blubbering idiots. That's exactly what would happen too.

Classic NES
Team 1.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by JBL
That's exactly what would happen too.

Diana is immune. They arent controlling Hal and Clark lols at thought based attacks

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Diana is immune. They arent controlling Hal and Clark lols at thought based attacks

They could just use their TK to immobilize them and mind-rape them in a follow up. Team one has too many options.

zopzop
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Diana is immune. They arent controlling Hal and Clark lols at thought based attacks
Who said anything about controlling? I'm talking about frying their grey matter.

iceman24567
Team 2 wins

krisblaze
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Diana is immune. They arent controlling Hal and Clark lols at thought based attacks

Who said anything about control?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by zopzop
Who said anything about controlling? I'm talking about frying their grey matter.

You did

Originally posted by zopzop
How does T1 not stomp? The incoming PSI assault from T1 would be so massive, T2 would be reduced to blubbering idiots.

☝

Originally posted by krisblaze
Who said anything about control?

Originally posted by zopzop
PSI assault

krisblaze
Controlling someone is only one of the hundreds of ways you can attack someone using telepathy...

Sin I AM
Originally posted by krisblaze
Controlling someone is only one of the hundreds of ways you can attack someone using telepathy...

Nice reach.

Classic NES
I know Hal is resistant to Telepathy as a lantern, didn't know Diana and Clark were.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Nice reach.

What reach?

They get the team with a combined psyblast.

The kind which they've used many times.

You go **** yourself you ****ing c unt.

Cogito
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krisblaze
They call me the escalator.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
I know Hal is resistant to Telepathy as a lantern, didn't know Diana and Clark were.

Clark is resistant. Diana is immune.

Originally posted by krisblaze
What reach?

They get the team with a combined psyblast.

The kind which they've used many times.

You go **** yourself you ****ing c unt.

Triggered?

Smurph
DC should win, but Marvel certainly has options. Even if Diana were immune to all psi attacks, she's the easiest one to just keep at bay with TK/shields until it's a 3-on-1 match. God Cable was constantly using his TK and telepathy simultaneously to accomplish much more complicated feats.

Exodus is the weak link here, IMO.

zopzop
Originally posted by Smurph
Exodus is the weak link here, IMO.
No. He's one of the most powerful PSIs on Marvel Earth.

Smurph
Originally posted by zopzop
No. He's one of the most powerful PSIs on Marvel Earth. Yes, and the weakest person in this battle.

Classic NES
Originally posted by Smurph
Yes, and the weakest person in this battle.

Both Nathans have higher Psi potential than Exodus. But, he has vast abilities whose limits are not known so, maybe.

StyleTime
EDIT: Ah, you edited. Nevermind.

Classic NES
Originally posted by StyleTime
Not getting KO'd by Magneto's helmet.

EDIT: Ah, you edited. I see you.

Yeah, I wanted to clarify. My bad, I need to respond to quickly.

Exodus is inconsistent, but it depends on which of his many powers the writers want to use. I think both Nathans have more PSi potential, though.

Originally posted by Smurph
DC should win, but Marvel certainly has options. Even if Diana were immune to all psi attacks, she's the easiest one to just keep at bay with TK/shields until it's a 3-on-1 match. God Cable was constantly using his TK and telepathy simultaneously to accomplish much more complicated feats.

Exodus is the weak link here, IMO.

Exodus has taken down people who are resistant to TP and has fought other TP. So, even if he's resistant unless he's completely immune than his mind is forfeit imo.

zopzop
Originally posted by Smurph
Yes, and the weakest person in this battle.
No, I'd aruge that Diana is. Exodus stalemated and then momentarily put down Insane Sersi (the same chick that one shot Immortal Hercules). This wasn't the first time he fought her, they fought to a stalemate on at least two occasions that I recall.

Mindset
Originally posted by krisblaze
What reach?

They get the team with a combined psyblast.

The kind which they've used many times.

You go **** yourself you ****ing c unt. Lol wtf

carver9
Don't understand why people doesn't think Exodus is top tier.

Mindset
Originally posted by carver9
Don't understand why people doesn't think Exodus is top tier. Because he isn't!

You go **** yourself you ****ing c unt.

carver9
Originally posted by Mindset
Because he isn't!

You go **** yourself you ****ing c unt.

laughing out loud

Classic NES
Originally posted by carver9
Don't understand why people doesn't think Exodus is top tier.

He's been depicted as weaker than more prominent mutant characters: Xavier's beaten him, Apocalypse and Magneto recently beat him, Nate beat him and he's was killed by holocaust (Though it wasn't 616 version). Potentially, he's very powerful but on paper well...yeah. Who do you think wins carver?

Zack M
Originally posted by zopzop
Who said anything about controlling? I'm talking about frying their grey matter.

Have you been keeping up with CURRENT Hal? He's a BEAST. Easily the most powerful in this fight

carver9
Originally posted by Classic NES
He's been depicted as weaker than more prominent mutant characters: Xavier's beaten him, Apocalypse and Magneto recently beat him, Nate beat him and he's was killed by holocaust (Though it wasn't 616 version). Potentially, he's very powerful but on paper well...yeah. Who do you think wins carver?

His latest showing was amazing though.

Imagine a triple psi attack from these 3 at the same time. Don't think anyone could handle it tbh.

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
His latest showing was amazing though.

Imagine a triple psi attack from these 3 at the same time. Don't think anyone could handle it tbh.
Yup. I think they can take a low Trans character, at least, with a triple Psi Assault from T1.

iceman24567
Exodus top tier? Wtf does carver smoke horse dung?

Classic NES
Originally posted by carver9
His latest showing was amazing though.

Imagine a triple psi attack from these 3 at the same time. Don't think anyone could handle it tbh.

Which issue? Which book?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
Which issue? Which book?

Uncanny X-men 14#

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Uncanny X-men 14#

lol good one.

carver9
Originally posted by Classic NES
Which issue? Which book?




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Top tier showing to me (hell, trans tier imo).

krisblaze
Shiieeeet, beating the x-men is trans now.

carver9
On the forum, naah, in an Xbook, most definitely. Bobby, Rachel, and Rogue (who had a lot of power within her) is the reason I'm saying what I am saying.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
On the forum, naah, in an Xbook, most definitely. Bobby, Rachel, and Rogue (who had a lot of power within her) is the reason I'm saying what I am saying.

That's not impressive. And he's actually depicted as weaker now

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's not impressive. And he's actually depicted as weaker now

Ok.

DarkSaint85
I think we've broken carver.

krisblaze
Originally posted by carver9
On the forum, naah, in an Xbook, most definitely. Bobby, Rachel, and Rogue (who had a lot of power within her) is the reason I'm saying what I am saying.

I kinda agree with this

zopzop
Originally posted by krisblaze
Shiieeeet, beating the x-men is trans now.
Not Trans but very impressive. Look at that lineup he took on. Even Rogue couldn't fully drain him.

krisblaze
Its like Apocalypses showing in v2.

Great, but no one will acknowledge it

zopzop
Originally posted by krisblaze
Its like Apocalypses showing in v2.

Great, but no one will acknowledge it
IMHO, his showings vs Insane Sersi top this. That woman oneshotted Immortal Hercules but she couldn't deal with Exodus.

carver9
Originally posted by zopzop
IMHO, his showings vs Insane Sersi top this. That woman oneshotted Immortal Hercules but she couldn't deal with Exodus.

He then took on Sersi again who was backed by the Avengers and Xmen.

staxamillion
I always thought Exodus was 'up' there powerset wise.

I haven't been out to the tier thread in a while though

StyleTime
Originally posted by carver9
On the forum, naah, in an Xbook, most definitely. Bobby, Rachel, and Rogue (who had a lot of power within her) is the reason I'm saying what I am saying.
Trans level is stretching it a bit. Iceman didn't do anything but grow big and punch him, and generally sucks in comics anyway.

Rachel was the most significant factor, as they would have had their powers shut off from the get go otherwise. Not enough for a trans feat though. Too many non-factors here.


In forum mode, Bobby and Rachel might actually take him out tbh.

carver9
Originally posted by StyleTime
Trans level is stretching it a bit. Iceman didn't do anything but grow big and punch him, and generally sucks in comics anyway.

Rachel was the most significant factor, as they would have had their powers shut off from the get go otherwise. Not enough for a trans feat though. Too many non-factors here.


In forum mode, Bobby and Rachel might actually take him out tbh.

He was taking on the xmen while having a mind battle against Rachel with her being immobile and unable to do anything but focus on one task. What does this tell us, Exodus can stomp her. He wasn't even fully going at her and he was holding his own while stomping the Xmen. No, she can't beat him.

Same with Bobby. He was said to be useless against Exodus. We can't ignore this and think that showings outside of what happened in the battle is all that counts.

StyleTime
The first paragraph really has nothing to do with what I said, as I didn't say she could beat him. I said she was the most significant factor.

Bobby really didn't try anything there, which is why I said forum mode-Iceman might accomplish something with Rachel backing him.

Still not a trans-level feat though.

Classic NES
Originally posted by carver9
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Top tier showing to me (hell, trans tier imo).



X_men legacy, I remember this. Definitely a good showing for him.

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
That's not impressive. And he's actually depicted as weaker now

But, Exodus always loses to the main mutant leaders. He's lost to Xavier, Apoc, was killed by Holocaust insecret wars, etc. So, I'm not surprised he lost to a depowered Mags (Unless he got his full power back)

Genii96
Exodus was barely trying against Magnus come on

He spent most of the fight trying to convince him,and kept on worshipping him. He didn't even use telepathy

In that same issue ,his mere to blocks in fodders gave psylocke a hard time


He was also controlling dozens of mutants while fighting too



This guy is easily top tier



He lost to Xavier In a pure to fight,in which the only to punches he threw were merely placing Xavier in a loop, iirc he wanted to convince him to lead the Acolytes,and he didn't use his TK on combination,or his other powers,or even his psychic vampire abilities


Then god cable and shaman?


This is a murder stomp

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
But, Exodus always loses to the main mutant leaders. He's lost to Xavier, Apoc, was killed by Holocaust insecret wars, etc. So, I'm not surprised he lost to a depowered Mags (Unless he got his full power back)

He gets highballed. Beating the X-Men like beating the fan four is a non feat.

Exodus has stated before it's damn near impossible for him to effect Eric mentally

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
He gets highballed. Beating the X-Men like beating the fan four is a non feat.

Exodus has stated before it's damn near impossible for him to effect Eric mentally

Compared to other high level psi users: Xavier, Nate, Legion, and Phoenix. He's much weaker when it comes to TP. His claim to fame is the vast amount of powers who's limit is unknown.

carver9
Originally posted by Classic NES
Compared to other high level psi users: Xavier, Nate, Legion, and Phoenix. He's much weaker when it comes to TP. His claim to fame is the vast amount of powers who's limit is unknown.

It's pointless debating with her about this. Trust me, her mind is made up.

Classic NES
Originally posted by carver9
It's pointless debating with her about this. Trust me, her mind is made up.

Fair enough, I give it to team psi.

-Pr-
I don't rate Exodus as highly as some, so tbh I wouldn't call him top tier. If someone else does, cool.

The problem here is that you're using telepathy against three people who have definitive feats of resisting it, from people on or above the level these guys operate at. Does that mean team 2 wins? Not necessarily, but one big TP pulse isn't going to end this fight, or even prove decisive imo.

Classic NES
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't rate Exodus as highly as some, so tbh I wouldn't call him top tier. If someone else does, cool.

The problem here is that you're using telepathy against three people who have definitive feats of resisting it, from people on or above the level these guys operate at. Does that mean team 2 wins? Not necessarily, but one big TP pulse isn't going to end this fight, or even prove decisive imo.

The problem is even exodus has shown to probe people who are TP resistant. Furthermore, someone like Nate has beaten people with great TP which is more impressive than beating someone who is simply resistant. You're right, it's not gonna oneshot them but t1 has so many more options.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Classic NES
The problem is even exodus has shown to probe people who are TP resistant. Furthermore, someone like Nate has beaten people with great TP which is more impressive than beating someone who is simply resistant. You're right, it's not gonna oneshot them but t1 has so many more options.

You can argue all day for Exodus being able to telepathically effect the team. The issue is that it would take all day, because Superman alone has telepathic resistance feats coming out of his ears.

One thing I would mention though, that even if you believed Exodus could do it (which is fine), team 2 is far more likely to coordinate their attacks than team 1. These guys aren't exactly known for getting along.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
His claim to fame is the vast amount of powers who's limit is unknown.

Hyperbole. Im not saying he's not powerful. I just dont attribute a no limit fallacy to characters who havent done the deeds suggested.

krisblaze
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't rate Exodus as highly as some, so tbh I wouldn't call him top tier. If someone else does, cool.

The problem here is that you're using telepathy against three people who have definitive feats of resisting it, from people on or above the level these guys operate at. Does that mean team 2 wins? Not necessarily, but one big TP pulse isn't going to end this fight, or even prove decisive imo.

All of these three have shown themselves capable of harming xavier though.

Team 2 has only resisted mindcontrol anyways.

Classic NES
Originally posted by -Pr-
You can argue all day for Exodus being able to telepathically effect the team. The issue is that it would take all day, because Superman alone has telepathic resistance feats coming out of his ears.

One thing I would mention though, that even if you believed Exodus could do it (which is fine), team 2 is far more likely to coordinate their attacks than team 1. These guys aren't exactly known for getting along.

He's not alone though. So, I don't see why it would take all day. Nate is here and his TP is even better. Sure, post em and I can demonstrate Nate and Exodus going against people with TP and faring well. Because in all honesty using TP to resist TP is more effective than just passive TP resistance. Exodus and Nate have dealt with both anyway.



Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hyperbole. Im not saying he's not powerful. I just dont attribute a no limit fallacy to characters who havent done the deeds suggested.

I'm suggesting that he might be more powerful potentially, not that he has no limits though.

zopzop
Originally posted by Sin I AM
He gets highballed. Beating the X-Men like beating the fan four is a non feat.

Exodus has stated before it's damn near impossible for him to effect Eric mentally
The writer was full of sh|t then, here he is going toe to toe with Insane Sersi :
https://s13.postimg.org/x7gjyt89v/4080209_x_men307_11a.jpg

The basis of his powers is 'beyond psionic' :
https://s4.postimg.org/8dtn7bsex/5394075_stalemates_exodus_telepathically.jpg

He's fought her on at least two occasions, she's never beaten him and on one occasion she had the Avengers helping her and still he held his own. Insane Sersi two piece Immortal Hercules (something Thor, Namor, Hulk, etc.. have never done), caused a tsunami that wiped out the Brooklyn Bridge, etc..

-Pr-
Originally posted by krisblaze
All of these three have shown themselves capable of harming xavier though.

Team 2 has only resisted mindcontrol anyways.

I'm not doubting their abilities. Just that their abilities will let them simply overpower the other team.

Originally posted by Classic NES
He's not alone though. So, I don't see why it would take all day. Nate is here and his TP is even better. Sure, post em and I can demonstrate Nate and Exodus going against people with TP and faring well. Because in all honesty using TP to resist TP is more effective than just passive TP resistance. Exodus and Nate have dealt with both anyway.





I'm suggesting that he might be more powerful potentially, not that he has no limits though.

I never said that actively using TP wasn't stronger than otherwise; my argument is simply that having "resistance" isn't a crutch. They've resisted plenty over the years, from telepaths that could be argued to be on the same level as people like Nate and such.

Classic NES
Originally posted by -Pr-



I never said that actively using TP wasn't stronger than otherwise; my argument is simply that having "resistance" isn't a crutch. They've resisted plenty over the years, from telepaths that could be argued to be on the same level as people like Nate and such.

Even if that's the case there are three people on that level in this fight in a team battle. One common tactic in X-men is to attack two fronts: In the mental plane and in the physical. So, it's even harder to resist because anyone of these guys can do the aforementioned. Exodus has done it before, Shaman Nate can easily do it. More than just TP, Team 1 has too many options and questionable if they can successful resist the just the TP of one of these guys. Add 2 more and I don't see what Team 2 can do.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES




I'm suggesting that he might be more powerful potentially, not that he has no limits though.

Which means what exactly? U previously stated (or atleast it appeared so to me) that you based you opinion on who won by hyperbole. Having potential and showing ability are two separate issues.

Originally posted by zopzop
The writer was full of sh|t then, here he is going toe to toe with Insane Sersi :
https://s13.postimg.org/x7gjyt89v/4080209_x_men307_11a.jpg

The basis of his powers is 'beyond psionic' :
https://s4.postimg.org/8dtn7bsex/5394075_stalemates_exodus_telepathically.jpg

He's fought her on at least two occasions, she's never beaten him and on one occasion she had the Avengers helping her and still he held his own. Insane Sersi two piece Immortal Hercules (something Thor, Namor, Hulk, etc.. have never done), caused a tsunami that wiped out the Brooklyn Bridge, etc..

U keep mentioning this like two skirmishes against Sersi is the deciding factor in THIS fight. He did ok (bloodties aside) he didnt ragdoll her though. Cant see y youd bring up Sersis feats when discussing Exodus. Abc logic fail who cares if she beat up Herc. Not sure if serious

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Which means what exactly? U previously stated (or atleast it appeared so to me) that you based you opinion on who won by hyperbole. Having potential and showing ability are two separate issues.



I never said that team 1 wins because Exodus has unlimited power. I have no idea what you're talking about here.

zopzop
Originally posted by Sin I AM
U keep mentioning this like two skirmishes against Sersi is the deciding factor in THIS fight. He did ok (bloodties aside) he didnt ragdoll her though. Cant see y youd bring up Sersis feats when discussing Exodus. Abc logic fail who cares if she beat up Herc. Not sure if serious
The Sersi skirmishes ARE among the most, if not THE most, impressive showings he has (especially considering one of them was vs the Insane version of Sersi).

How is two shot KOing Immortal Hercules not an impressive showing for Insane Sersi? Name me one herald level being that's done that to him. Exodus not only stalemated her, he actually gained the upper hand for a few before getting bored with the fight and taking off.

-Pr-
Originally posted by Classic NES
Even if that's the case there are three people on that level in this fight in a team battle. One common tactic in X-men is to attack two fronts: In the mental plane and in the physical. So, it's even harder to resist because anyone of these guys can do the aforementioned. Exodus has done it before, Shaman Nate can easily do it. More than just TP, Team 1 has too many options and questionable if they can successful resist the just the TP of one of these guys. Add 2 more and I don't see what Team 2 can do.

Cool. I don't agree, but cool.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by zopzop
The Sersi skirmishes ARE among the most, if not THE most, impressive showings he has (especially considering one of them was vs the Insane version of Sersi).

How is two shot KOing Immortal Hercules not an impressive showing for Insane Sersi? Name me one herald level being that's done that to him. Exodus not only stalemated her, he actually gained the upper hand for a few before getting bored with the fight and taking off.

Dude he stalemated Sersi. Cool. She didnt even use her signature power. But sure if you feel it's impressive.

Never said beating herc was/was not impressive. I said its inconsequential. Herc isnt in this fight neither is Sersi this is yet another ABC logic argument. Exodus stalemated Sersi who stomped immortal herc who fought evenly with Thor. Seriously?

And he didnt get the upper hand. They stalemated he left.

zopzop
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Dude he stalemated Sersi. Cool. She didnt even use her signature power. But sure if you feel it's impressive.

Never said beating herc was/was not impressive. I said its inconsequential. Herc isnt in this fight neither is Sersi this is yet another ABC logic argument. Exodus stalemated Sersi who stomped immortal herc who fought evenly with Thor. Seriously?

And he didnt get the upper hand. They stalemated he left.
https://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/uncanny-x-men-1st-series-307
They stalemated for a while, a big explosion occured, Exodus was never knocked down (even temporarily),he had a whole conversation with Black Knight and flew off in boredom. Then Sersi recovered and asked which way Exodus flew off.

I'd call that getting the upper hand.

That's VS the Insane version of her. On another occasion, she and Black Knight had to be saved by Apocalypse (who showed up and bubbled Exodus).

Classic NES
Originally posted by zopzop
https://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/uncanny-x-men-1st-series-307
They stalemated for a while, a big explosion occured, Exodus was never knocked down (even temporarily),he had a whole conversation with Black Knight and flew off in boredom. Then Sersi recovered and asked which way Exodus flew off.

I'd call that getting the upper hand.

That's VS the Insane version of her. On another occasion, she and Black Knight had to be saved by Apocalypse (who showed up and bubbled Exodus).

That's a great feat for apocalypse.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by zopzop
https://uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/uncanny-x-men-1st-series-307
They stalemated for a while, a big explosion occured, Exodus was never knocked down (even temporarily),he had a whole conversation with Black Knight and flew off in boredom. Then Sersi recovered and asked which way Exodus flew off.

I'd call that getting the upper hand.

That's VS the Insane version of her. On another occasion, she and Black Knight had to be saved by Apocalypse (who showed up and bubbled Exodus).

Agree/Disagree. Exodus couldn't subdue Sersi telepathically with his marquee ability and she held her own WITHOUT using her marquee ability, matter manipulation. That was not as impressive encounter as you (and others).are making it out to be especially given the fact that she's not in the top 5 let alone 10 in marvels pleothera of tpers. This is all while he is at the pinnacle of his powers with her fighting idiotic.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Agree/Disagree. Exodus couldn't subdue Sersi telepathically with his marquee ability and she held her own WITHOUT using her marquee ability, matter manipulation. That was not as impressive encounter as you (and others).are making it out to be especially given the fact that she's not in the top 5 let alone 10 in marvels pleothera of tpers. This is all while he is at the pinnacle of his powers with her fighting idiotic.

Exodus didn't use his thousands of abilities against her either. It's like saying Thor held back against Juggernaut because he didn't create a storm. Comics doesn't work like that.

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
Exodus didn't use his thousands of abilities against her either. It's like saying Thor held back against Juggernaut because he didn't create a storm. Comics doesn't work like that.
laughing thumb up

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
Exodus didn't use his thousands of abilities against her either. It's like saying Thor held back against Juggernaut because he didn't create a storm. Comics doesn't work like that.

Im sorry what? Sersis' MAIN power is Matter Manipulation. That's her Main Power. Like that's whats shes good at Transmutation/Matter Manipulation. HOWEVER Instead she mentally combated (according to you a trans tier character) a telepathic psychic vampire whos MAIN POWER IS TELEPATHY. Gtfoh with that weak ass argument son.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im sorry what? Sersis' MAIN power is Matter Manipulation. That's her Main Power. Like that's whats shes good at Transmutation/Matter Manipulation. HOWEVER Instead she mentally combated (according to you a trans tier character) a telepathic psychic vampire whos MAIN POWER IS TELEPATHY. Gtfoh with that weak ass argument son.

Where in this fight did you come up with her going psionic the entire fight? Hell, when was it said that she even took that route or didnt use any of the abilities you've mentioned?


http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220951/X-MEN307_05a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220952/X-MEN307_07a.jpg.html
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Show me, please.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
Where in this fight did you come up with her going psionic the entire fight? Hell, when was it said that she even took that route or didnt use any of the abilities you've mentioned?


http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220951/X-MEN307_05a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220952/X-MEN307_07a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220953/X-MEN307_07b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220954/X-MEN307_08b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220955/X-MEN307_11a.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220956/X-MEN307_11b.jpg.html
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/20220957/X-MEN307_12a.jpg.html


Show me, please.

Cant you read? Her powers are psionic based...his powers are psionic based. There floating there talking to each other about the nature of his powers. Are u seriously debating that she attempted transmutation on that scene or anything other than mental or energy projection?

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Cant you read? Her powers are psionic based...his powers are psionic based. There floating there talking to each other about the nature of his powers. Are u seriously debating that she attempted transmutation on that scene or anything other than mental or energy projection?

She asked him if his powers were psionic and he told her that their powers are more vast than just psionic. If anything, that goes against what you are saying. I'm asking you to prove that she used only a single ability.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
She asked him if his powers were psionic and he told her that their powers are more vast than just psionic. If anything, that goes against what you are saying. I'm asking you to prove that she used only a single ability.

It's depicted on panel. As i said can you not read? He was attacking her consciousness. How else do you defend a mental attack?

DarkSaint85
You get angrier.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
You get angrier.

Am i not making sense Saint? Correct me if Im wrong.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
It's depicted on panel. As i said can you not read? He was attacking her consciousness. How else do you defend a mental attack?

They almost destroyed the entire island. I feel confident that more than mind attacks were going on there.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
They almost destroyed the entire island. I feel confident that more than mind attacks were going on there.

Did i not say energy blast and mental phuckery? It doesn't matter anyway either Clark or Diana blitzes Exodus to sleep.

carver9
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Did i not say energy blast and mental phuckery? It doesn't matter anyway either Clark or Diana blitzes Exodus to sleep.

So what fight of Sersi did she use the attacks you are suggesting? And there's still no evidence presented saying Sersi never used her abilities.

zopzop
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Did i not say energy blast and mental phuckery? It doesn't matter anyway either Clark or Diana blitzes Exodus to sleep.
Diana isn't blitzing anything.

Also why do you ignore the fact that Exodus actually dropped Insane Sersi (if only for a few moments). On another occasion, he had Sersi and Dane dead to rights till Apocalypse jumped in and saved them. In yet another instance, Sersi had the Avengers backing her and they STILL couldn't stop Exodus.

carver9
Sin, who are you giving the majority to here and why?

krisblaze
Exodus is a definite weak link tbh.

The idea of him fighting Superman seems ridiculous.

But the idea of Nate, Cable and Exodus taking down the team with a combined psi-assault makes sense.

zopzop
Originally posted by krisblaze
Exodus is a definite weak link tbh.

The idea of him fighting Superman seems ridiculous.

But the idea of Nate, Cable and Exodus taking down the team with a combined psi-assault makes sense.
How is he the weak link when he can wipe the floor with WW?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by carver9
So what fight of Sersi did she use the attacks you are suggesting? And there's still no evidence presented saying Sersi never used her abilities.

I will not engage in further mental gymnastics. If you feel she displayed anything other than mental combat and energy projection SHOW me. Spare me your circular arguments

Originally posted by zopzop
Diana isn't blitzing anything.

Also why do you ignore the fact that Exodus actually dropped Insane Sersi (if only for a few moments). On another occasion, he had Sersi and Dane dead to rights till Apocalypse jumped in and saved them. In yet another instance, Sersi had the Avengers backing her and they STILL couldn't stop Exodus.

You're making those scenes out to way more than they are. Especially when Sersi played to his strengths and didn't use her powers.

Originally posted by carver9
Sin, who are you giving the majority to here and why?

Team 2. Mental resistance or outright immunity. Superior combat experience, superior speed, damage soak, Superior strength, the outright scan difference is ridic, superior teamwork. God Cable is OVERRATED. Got dropped the second Norrin got serious. Exodus is OVERRATED. His greatest feat is owning a team of metas and STALEMATING Sersi. He just got ragdolled by Magneto and he always folds against elite top tiers not named Sersi. Which leaves Nate.

Its a no brainer

krisblaze
Originally posted by zopzop
How is he the weak link when he can wipe the floor with WW?

Im not so sure if he can.

In fact I really doubt it.

leonidas
Originally posted by zopzop
How is he the weak link when he can wipe the floor with WW?

wut?

"Id"
Team 2 wins.

But they do not have outright immunity.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by zopzop
How is he the weak link when he can wipe the floor with WW?

Exodus will get destroyed by Diana.

Classic NES
Originally posted by krisblaze
Exodus is a definite weak link tbh.

The idea of him fighting Superman seems ridiculous.


Exodus has invulnerability and super strength to the the degree that he held his own against rogue after she absorbed kid gladiator powers. It's not that ridiculous TBH.

krisblaze
Originally posted by Classic NES
Exodus has invulnerability and super strength to the the degree that he held his own against rogue after she absorbed kid gladiator powers. It's not that ridiculous TBH.

Rogue with Kid Gladiator's powers? So a 40 tonner with a 50 tonner absorbed or something then?

In a physical matchup WW would slaughter him.

Classic NES
Originally posted by krisblaze
Rogue with Kid Gladiator's powers? So a 40 tonner with a 50 tonner absorbed or something then?



His strength depends on how confident he is and thus varies.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BGVOFAeCcAEoeGn.jpg

carver9
Where are people getting that kid Gladiator is 40 to 50 tons? Is that a myth?

iceman24567
Originally posted by zopzop
How is he the weak link when he can wipe the floor with WW? Not likely

DarkSaint85
I will quote OP, on WW:




So WW, who is faster than speedsters, EXPLICITLY faster than thought, and is resistant (if not immune) to telepaths, with the wisdom of a goddess...will solo.

Great thread thumb up

Source: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t621902.html

Classic NES
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I will quote OP, on WW:




So WW, who is faster than speedsters, EXPLICITLY faster than thought, and is resistant (if not immune) to telepaths, with the wisdom of a goddess...will solo.

Great thread thumb up

Source: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f105/t621902.html

According to his profile at Marvel.com Cable can track speedsters movements with his eyes. Furthermore, Both Nathans can slip into moments between time and see time on a plank scale.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124715/3543194-cable+31+010.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uVWu7Jx.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/nwhvsx.jpg

Even Exodus could keep up with rogue despite her having K. Gladiators abilities which are the same as regular gladiator.

Smurph
Originally posted by zopzop
The writer was full of sh|t then, here he is going toe to toe with Insane Sersi :
https://s13.postimg.org/x7gjyt89v/4080209_x_men307_11a.jpg

The basis of his powers is 'beyond psionic' :
https://s4.postimg.org/8dtn7bsex/5394075_stalemates_exodus_telepathically.jpg

He's fought her on at least two occasions, she's never beaten him and on one occasion she had the Avengers helping her and still he held his own. Insane Sersi two piece Immortal Hercules (something Thor, Namor, Hulk, etc.. have never done), caused a tsunami that wiped out the Brooklyn Bridge, etc.. This is one of Sersi's best telepathy feats.

How do we know Sersi is a strong telepath? Well, she stalemated Exodus once.
How do we know Exodus is a strong telepath? Well, he stalemated Sersi once.

mmm

Anyways, the above silliness aside: obviously Exodus is relatively strong within Marvel, but he is the least effective combatant on the board here. He doesn't add anything that Nate Grey and God Cable don't already bring to the table. If I thought that Team 2 would definitely fall to a Cable/Nate/Exodus psi-blast, I could probably be persuaded to believe that Team 2 would also fall to a Cable/Nate psi-blast.

Like a bunch of people have already said, Team 2 should win, but Team 1 has options.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Classic NES
According to his profile at Marvel.com Cable can track speedsters movements with his eyes. Furthermore, Both Nathans can slip into moments between time and see time on a plank scale.


http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124715/3543194-cable+31+010.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uVWu7Jx.jpg

http://i65.tinypic.com/nwhvsx.jpg

Even Exodus could keep up with rogue despite her having K. Gladiators abilities which are the same as regular gladiator.

Cable vs Quicksilver (who is FAR slower than a Flash, and WW apparently is able to blitz/keep up with Zoom, who is >>>> Wally) - let's see how that goes, shall we?
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XTME0-d_zUU/WGP46Z9lM-I/AAAAAAABZks/MCQ4jRZToJ4t5xNjOLPEdVflAbZzh8fCwCLcB/s1600/57_12.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1MPgaMVSnw0/WGP46ZBlyzI/AAAAAAABZk4/D6G2VBWFEnEswINo05tZ9mzVSeU6YsP8wCLcB/s1600/57_13.jpg

AND he had prepped for QS, lol.

Furthermore, Kid Gladiator is no Kallark. Kallark's the Cap America of Strontians. Not to mention, WW is faster than thought. Explicitly, according to OP.

Classic NES
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Cable vs Quicksilver (who is FAR slower than a Flash, and WW apparently is able to blitz/keep up with Zoom, who is >>>> Wally) - let's see how that goes, shall we?
https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-XTME0-d_zUU/WGP46Z9lM-I/AAAAAAABZks/MCQ4jRZToJ4t5xNjOLPEdVflAbZzh8fCwCLcB/s1600/57_12.jpg
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1MPgaMVSnw0/WGP46ZBlyzI/AAAAAAABZk4/D6G2VBWFEnEswINo05tZ9mzVSeU6YsP8wCLcB/s1600/57_13.jpg

AND he had prepped for QS, lol.

Furthermore, Kid Gladiator is no Kallark. He's the Cap America of Strontians. Not to mention, WW is faster than thought. Explicitly, according to OP.

A scan of Cable trying to talk QS out of Red Skulls mind control and getting blind sided negates my point how? Cable can only slip into moments between time sometimes, God-like cable should be ale to do it easily. Nate even easier.

"Faster than thought" is hyperbole unless you mean the speed at which synapses fire to the brain which isn't that fast.

Kid Gladiator has the same powers as Gladiator. The variation is the level of confidence, but even if he's weaker he was still strong enough to break Rulks jaw.

Smurph
God Cable was transmuting the Earth while keeping up with a speedblitz attack from Surfer.

Nate Grey's ability to see time in a bajillion senses and step between moments is well documented.

Their speed of thought =/= our speed of thought.

Classic NES
Originally posted by Smurph
God Cable was transmuting the Earth while keeping up with a speedblitz attack from Surfer.

Nate Grey's ability to see time in a bajillion senses and step between moments is well documented.

Their speed of thought =/= our speed of thought.

Who takes this in your opinion?

Smurph
DC

carver9
Dark primarily debate to try and twist my words...he doesn't even try anymore. He is not missed.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Classic NES
A scan of Cable trying to talk QS out of Red Skulls mind control and getting blind sided negates my point how? Cable can only slip into moments between time sometimes, God-like cable should be ale to do it easily. Nate even easier.

"Faster than thought" is hyperbole unless you mean the speed at which synapses fire to the brain which isn't that fast.

Kid Gladiator has the same powers as Gladiator. The variation is the level of confidence, but even if he's weaker he was still strong enough to break Rulks jaw.

The fact he gets blindsided shows that he can't track speedsters. For example, do you think a sloth could blindside me? Course not. Do you think Penguin could blindside the Flash? Course not.

And WW is FAR faster than QS, apparently.

'Faster than thought' was used only when OP used it in a battlezone. HE obviously thinks that WW is able to speedblitz. I think it's hyperbole (faster than a dream? WTF??) but OP thinks so.

Same powers =/= same level of powers. Beast has superstrength, same as Superman, but...well, you get the point.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The fact he gets blindsided shows that he can't track speedsters. For example, do you think a sloth could blindside me? Course not. Do you think Penguin could blindside the Flash? Course not.

And WW is FAR faster than QS, apparently.

'Faster than thought' was used only when OP used it in a battlezone. HE obviously thinks that WW is able to speedblitz. I think it's hyperbole (faster than a dream? WTF??) but OP thinks so.

Same powers =/= same level of powers. Beast has superstrength, same as Superman, but...well, you get the point.

👍. Pietro also speedblitzed Bennet as well. Not boding well for the muties.

JBL
How come when people state that characters like gladiator, Hyperion, Supreme and other fast characters could blitz someone or something, it gets thrown under the table? But Any and all DC characters like WW, Superman or the like gets the Royal treatment for blitizing the hell out of characters for the win, even though in comics it does little??

Classic NES
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
The fact he gets blindsided shows that he can't track speedsters. For example, do you think a sloth could blindside me? Course not. Do you think Penguin could blindside the Flash? Course not.

Terrible analogy, furthermore he can track speedsters with his eyes but of course, he can't move as fast as them. He can counter their speed with his psi.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Same powers =/= same level of powers. Beast has superstrength, same as Superman, but...well, you get the point.

It isn't just because he has the same powers, it's because he's also displayed at least class 80 strength. He broke Rulks jaw for example.

DarkSaint85
Ask OP. He's all about the blitz.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Classic NES
Terrible analogy, furthermore he can track speedsters with his eyes but of course, he can't move as fast as them. He can counter their speed with his psi.



It isn't just because he has the same powers, it's because he's also displayed at least class 80 strength. He broke Rulks jaw for example.

How is it terrible? If they are in the same ballpark of speed, he should be able to react evenly.

So his eye muscles are faster than his arm muscles? Ok.

His psi? Sure. Hence, her resistance. Enough to get her the win.

Rulk? The same guy Shang Chi sent flying with a kick, Domino thrashed and Wonder Man choked out? He's not at the same levels he was when je first appeared.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by JBL
How come when people state that characters like gladiator, Hyperion, Supreme and other fast characters could blitz someone or something, it gets thrown under the table? But Any and all DC characters like WW, Superman or the like gets the Royal treatment for blitizing the hell out of characters for the win, even though in comics it does little??

It depends on who's fighting who.

Classic NES
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
How is it terrible? If they are in the same ballpark of speed, he should be able to react evenly.

Because you completely ignored that Nate can negate speed by slipping between moments of speedsters perception.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

So his eye muscles are faster than his arm muscles? Ok.

He has a cybernetic/computerized eye.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85

His psi? Sure. Hence, her resistance. Enough to get her the win.

She's not resistance to all Psi simply because she's resistant to TP. That's a massive no limits fallacy.


Originally posted by DarkSaint85

Rulk? The same guy Shang Chi sent flying with a kick, Domino thrashed and Wonder Man choked out? He's not at the same levels he was when je first appeared.


Not the point, at minimum he's class 80 to 100. Kid Gladiator should be around that level PIS not withstanding.

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by Classic NES
Because you completely ignored that Nate can negate speed by slipping between moments of speedsters perception.



He has a cybernetic/computerized eye.



She's not resistance to all Psi simply because she's resistant to TP. That's a massive no limits fallacy.





Not the point, at minimum he's class 80 to 100. Kid Gladiator should be around that level PIS not withstanding.

I haven't ignored it. Guess what Zoom does...and according to OP, a blind WW dealt with him just fine. Where was Cables slipping when QS took him out?

Your proof of Kid Glads was his showing against Rulk. Who isn't at the levels he was when beating Thor etc.

Classic NES
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I haven't. Guess what Zoom does...and according to OP, a blind WW dealt with him just fine.

Your proof of Kid Glads was his showing against Rulk. Who isn't at the levels he was when beating Thor etc.

You mean when Rulk was beating the Watcher and surfer? So, if he's not at PIS levels he's what class 40? That's some silly logic.

Why don't you post scan of the context? Saying a blind WW can beat Zoom with 0 context tells me nothing.

edit: NVM, found the scan and as always Zoom let his guard down while he was using a speed double. That's a completely different context than cables and Nates use of time slip because they aren't audible nor are they making a double.

http://i.imgur.com/gOXiFc7.jpg

DarkSaint85
thumb up Guess OP lied and left out context. I feel betrayed. They're not doubles, btw. They're all him, existing at the dame time.

Classic NES
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
thumb up Guess OP lied and left out context. I feel betrayed. They're not doubles, btw. They're all him, existing at the dame time.

From my understanding aren't their two types of doubles: Speed mirages and Time doubles?

carver9
Please stop quoting Dark. I tend to be on his mind all the time and it scares me.

Classic NES
Originally posted by carver9
Please stop quoting Dark. I tend to be on his mind all the time and it scares me.

lol, anyway.

Team Cable and Nate takes this 7/10 IMO. Nothing else to say.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
lol, anyway.

Team Cable and Nate takes this 7/10 IMO. Nothing else to say.

7/10 gtfoh lmao

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
7/10 gtfoh lmao

7/10 is generous. Exodus alone is too much for team to handle. laughing

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
7/10 is generous. Exodus alone is too much for team to handle. laughing

Im sure. Exodus scourge of the X-Men, dung beneath Magnetos boot is gonna beat the big 3 lol.

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Im sure. Exodus scourge of the X-Men, dung beneath Magnetos boot is gonna beat the big 3 lol.

Let's go over it then shall we?

Strength: Exodus is at least class 100 since part of his repertoire is invulnerability without his TK shields and standing up to bricks/brick killers such as Rogue with Kid Gladiators powers and Holocaust:

http://i.imgur.com/XTqosC8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wPmzoTQ.jpg

Same Holocaust can knock down Thor and body Post:

http://i.imgur.com/0L50X4c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EKqjXFv.jpg


Exodus can also absorb life energy and Psi. Hal's Oa power ring is made up of mental energies of the oans. So, if it's close enough to Psi he can absorb it.

Zack M
According to Carver, Wonder Woman is immune to telepathy.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
Let's go over it then shall we?

Strength: Exodus is at least class 100 since part of his repertoire is invulnerability without his TK shields and standing up to bricks/brick killers such as Rogue with Kid Gladiators powers and Holocaust:

http://i.imgur.com/XTqosC8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wPmzoTQ.jpg

Same Holocaust can knock down Thor and body Post:

http://i.imgur.com/0L50X4c.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EKqjXFv.jpg


Exodus can also absorb life energy and Psi. Hal's Oa power ring is made up of mental energies of the oans. So, if it's close enough to Psi he can absorb it.

What strength feat puts him at class 100?

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
What strength feat puts him at class 100?

My bad, I meant to say he can hang with guys who are that level. He's never been listed as having class 100 strength just invulnerability.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
My bad, I meant to say he can hang with guys who are that level. He's never been listed as having class 100 strength just invulnerability.

so based off a fight with holocaust, kg and rogue he can hang with high heralds?

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
so based off a fight with holocaust, kg and rogue he can hang with high heralds?

Physically, he isn't getting one-shotted by their blows. They can beat him, but with difficulty. He's too versatile, I mean do you believe Clark can one shot him or no sell his blows?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
Physically, he isn't getting one-shotted by their blows. They can beat him, but with difficulty. He's too versatile, I mean do you believe Clark can one shot him or no sell his blows?

Yes he can one shot him and yes he can no sell his blows. We're talking about an elite herald here. Not a scrub

Classic NES
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Yes he can one shot him and yes he can no sell his blows. We're talking about an elite herald here. Not a scrub

Well, needless to say, I disagree. Exodus despite taking hits from: Frenzy, Rogue with KG powers, Exodus, and Colossus. He's never been OHKO, ever. I don't see that changing.

Sin I AM
Originally posted by Classic NES
Well, needless to say, I disagree. Exodus despite taking hits from: Frenzy, Rogue with KG powers, Exodus, and Colossus. He's never been OHKO, ever. I don't see that changing.

Quicksilver dropped him.

Sin I AM
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zopzop
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Quicksilver dropped him.
http://i.imgur.com/nXxIy7O.png
You were saying? An AMPED Quicksilver (using one of High Evolutionary's concoctions) took out Exodus.

Exodus has easily humiliated Quicksilver (along with Storm, Cyclops, Wolverine, Scarlet Witch, Crystal, etc...).

Sin I AM
Originally posted by zopzop
http://i.imgur.com/nXxIy7O.png
You were saying? An AMPED Quicksilver (using one of High Evolutionary's concoctions) took out Exodus.

Exodus has easily humiliated Quicksilver (along with Storm, Cyclops, Wolverine, Scarlet Witch, Crystal, etc...).


Amped? isotope e only gave him mach 10 speed. hes faster now without it. still doesn't negate the fact he got his shit pushed in or that superman/ww can replicate the feat. its not the first time qs outpaced a telepath

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