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I'm always in a search for new knowledge and would want to hear your opinions about my list. With valid arguments any character can rank up or down:
T0 (Gods):
1)Bedlam spirits

T1 (close to Gods):
2) FP (Mortis) Anakin Skywalker
3) Father
4) Abeloth
5) Daughter / Son
6) Force Priestesses
7) Waru

T2 (mortals close to close to Gods):
8) GM Luke Skywalker
9) Valkorion / Darth Sidious
10) Sarasu Taalon (post pool)

T3 (the Ultimate super duper masters):
11) ROTJ/ROTS Sidious
12) Yoda
13) darth Vitiate
14) Darth Caedus
15) Krayt Reborn
16) Vaylin / Plagueis

T4 (super duper masters):
17) Exar Kun
18) Revan Reborn
19) Jaina Solo Fel
20) Shrevan
21) Rebels Darth Vader / Arcann
22) Jacen Solo (Sacrifice)
23) DE Luke Skywalker
24) HoT/ Nox / Barsenthor / Warth
25) ROTJ Vader
26) Kyp Durron / Kyle Katarn
27) Marka Ragnos
28) Freedon Nadd
29) Ajunta Pall / Karness Murr
30) Jacen Solo (Betrayal)
31) Darth Malgus / ROTJ Luke Skywalker
32) Mara Jade Skywalker
33) Saba Sebatyne
34) Revan Redeemed
35) Darth Bane
36) Satele Shan / Darth Marr
37) Mace Windu / count Dooku
38) Anakin Skywalker / PSV / Lumiya
41) Darth Malak / Darth Revan
42) Naga Shadow
43) Nomi Sunrider
44) Ulic Qel-Droma
45) Corran Horn
46) Leia Organa Solo / Darth Zannah
47) Galen Marek / Starkiller
48) Ludo Kressh / Ka'sim

T5 (masters):
49) Senya / Meetra Surik / Ashoka Tano
50) Obi-Wan Kenobi
51) Plo Koon
52) Shaak Ti
53) Kit Fisto
54) SOD Maul / Skere Kaan
55) Cade Skywalker
56) Thexan
57) TCW Maul
58) Darth Zannah
59) Anakin Solo / Ben Skywalker / Vestara Khai
60) Darth Wyyrok
61) Darth Talon / Darth Nihl
62) Bastila Shan
63) Rahm Kota / Cognus
64) Shado Vao / Wolf Sazen
65) TPM Maul
66) Vima Sunrider

T6 (masters, but meh):
67) Van Zallow
68) Kao Cen Darach
69) Roan Fel
70) Darth Vindincan
71) Ki Adi Mundi / Ayla Secura / Luminara Unduli
72) Ventress / Savage Opress
73) Kanan Jarrus / AOTC Obi-Wan Kenobi
74) Qui-Gon Jin
75) Kylo Ren
76) Grand Inquisitor / AOTC Anakin
77) Other Inquisitors
78) Jedi killed/stomped/blitzed/slaughtered by Sidious, whose names shall not be mentioned

T7 (padawans and a non force sensitive cybrog):
79) TESB Luke
80) Ezra Bridger / TCW Ashoka /TPM Obi-Wan
81) general Grievous (be happy Grievous you're on the list)

Pending: Nihilus, Je'daii Order masters and rangers, Tulak Hord.

Some things that instantly stood out to me:

- Darth Caedus is too high. He's not above Revan.

- Revan Redeemed is too low. He's not that far from Reborn.

- Jaina Solo is ridiculously too high. It's a stretch to even put her in T4.

- Kyle Katarn and Saba Sebatyne are T3s, not high T4s.

- Galen Marek and Starkillers are high T4s.

- Mace Windu and Dooku are above Darth Marr and Satele Shan.

- Obi-Wan Kenobi's better than Ahsoka Tano, the Exile, or Senya.

- Darth Maul and Darth Wyyrlok can easily fit in T4 or high T3.

- ESB Luke Skywalker legitimately challenged Vader. Why so low?

Some other things:

- Why the hell is Grievous T7?

- AotC Anakin is really damn good. Way too low.

- Same for TPM Kenobi. Among the best Jedi.

- Kaan isn't anywhere near SoD Maul.

- Vader's humiliating the SWTOR protagonists.

- TPM Maul's butchering Talon or Nihl.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66

- Kyle Katarn and Saba Sebatyne are T3s, not high T4s.


The ****?

That's an L. I was numbering the tiers backward.



* in T4 or high T5.



* T5s, not high T4s.

-Plagueis sh!ts on Caedus, Krayt and Vaylin
-Jaina is below Mace/Dooku/Muur etc.
- Kenobi is to low
- Maul is far to low. He sh!ts on Sazen kek
- Mace/Dooku > Malgus, Saba, Satele, RotJ Luke etc.
- NJO is far to high in general
-Kas'im isn't that high
- Kressh and Sadow should be higher
-T4 is far to big.
-Plo, Kit and Shaak aren't that high lmfao.
-Anakin is to ****ing low.

@ all what Ant saud, 'cept maybe Jaina.

Bump Plagueis and Tenebrous up to T2 and Valkorion down to to T3

Why is Vaylin in Plagueis's tier of power?

Kas'im > Zannah?
lol

Originally posted by Azronger
Bump Plagueis and Tenebrous up to T2 and Valkorion down to to T3
Don't do that. ^

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Don't do that. ^

But RotJ > RotS Sidious, and move Yoda & RotS/RotJ up to T2, or Valk down to T3.

Plagueis in the same tier as DE Sidious for power (assuming that's what this list is)? Strange of Az to say that.

I also can't see either him or Tenebrous being an entire tier above Valkorion in power. They're in the same tier; Plagueis is just more powerful. Although Valkorion doesn't belong in the same tier as DE Sidious either.

IMO:

Tier 1:
- Sarasu Taalon
- FotJ Luke
- DE Sidious
- DN Luke
- RotJ Sidious
- TUF Luke

Tier 2:
- RotS Sidious
- Yoda
- EoTPM Sidious
- Valkorion/Plagueis
- Vitiate
-Tenebrous / Novel Vitiate

Plo Koon is WAY TOO ****ING HIGH

Can you guys post am some arguments about changes?

AOTC Kenobi, Ventress, Savage, Mundi and Zallow are too low.
Maul, Mace and Anakin deserve a higher spot.

Revan Reborn and Exar also should be higher but I'm pretty biased.

Originally posted by Habro
Can you guys post am some arguments about changes?
Senya hasn't done anything better than beating GG, contending with Maul & Tyranus nor besting Ventress.

Jaina is just don't that high. She hasn't anything to back this rank up.

Krayt, Caedus etc. have done nothing to place them on par with a superior of Vitiate.

RotS Sidious and by extension Yoda are canonically > Valk.

Beating GG >> beating Alema.

Beating Jinn & TPM Kenobi > beating Sith Troopers.

Or for what do you want reasons?

Originally posted by SunRazer
Plagueis in the same tier as DE Sidious for power (assuming that's what this list is)? Strange of Az to say that.

I also can't see either him or Tenebrous being an entire tier above Valkorion in power. They're in the same tier; Plagueis is just more powerful. Although Valkorion doesn't belong in the same tier as DE Sidious either.

My bad. Didn't notice Yoda and pre-DE Sidious in T3.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Senya hasn't done anything better than beating GG, contending with Maul & Tyranus nor besting Ventress.

Jaina is just don't that high. She hasn't anything to back this rank up.

Krayt, Caedus etc. have done nothing to place them on par with a superior of Vitiate.

RotS Sidious and by extension Yoda are canonically > Valk.

Beating GG >> beating Alema.

Beating Jinn & TPM Kenobi > beating Sith Troopers.

Or for what do you want reasons?

Plagueis is superior to Vitiate? What feats show that? What Yoda and pre DE Sidious have done to put them >Valkorion? But I somewhat agree with others.

It's canonically that they are.
Accolades say so.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
It's canonically that they are.
Accolades say so.

Accolades mean nothing without feats to back them up. Look at this I can dig up quote stating Jaina Solo as combat equal to any NJO master, so going by accolades Jaina is GM Luke level, but you wouldn't put her there, would you?

Pretty sure Luke was still exiled by the time that quote was stated.

IIRC, at least officially, yeah
Originally posted by Habro
Accolades mean nothing without feats to back them up
LMAO.
Yes, they are canonical.
Feats-only is for morons.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Pretty sure Luke was still exiled by the time that quote was stated.
Just an example, can find more if you want. Like TPM Maul being one of the greatest Sith warriors in histrory.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
IIRC, at least officially, yeah

LMAO.
Yes, they are canonical.
Feats-only is for morons.
Yeah, no. No, no. Accolades can be exggravated, in hyperbole, even fake, bias, lies...Without feats to back them up, they mean nothing.

Originally posted by Habro
Just an example, can find more if you want. Like TPM Maul being one of the greatest Sith warriors in histrory.

This is actually a fact.




Accolades are valid unless contradicted by another accolade and/or feats. The sensibility to use a character that has only accolades in a vs battle, however, is another topic.

He obviously is, lmfao.

Yeah...yes, yes, yes.
Hyperbolic accolades are mostly in-Universe and subjective - things like Plagueis > Vitiate are from subjective sources

Edit: @TW
@most of your post, but...

Nah. Only when you mean things like Dooku being Yoda's equal, which is not true considering their fight.

Originally posted by Habro
Just an example, can find more if you want. Like TPM Maul being one of the greatest Sith warriors in histrory.
Maul's undeniably among the best.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
He obviously is, lmfao.

Yeah...yes, yes, yes.
Hyperbolic accolades are mostly in-Universe and subjective - things like Plagueis > Vitiate are from subjective sources

Edit: @TW
@most of your post, but...


Well us two then have different definition of warriors, because Maul shouldn't have struggled against Jedi Master of Qui-Gon caliber and a padawan if truly had been one of the greatest. Not to mention almost got overwhelmed by a padawan. And how can Plagueis defeat Vitiate then? What is his win condition?

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Nah. Only when you mean things like Dooku being Yoda's equal, which is not true considering their fight.

That was contradicted by the fight itself - we know Dooku can't reproduce Yoda's combat feats and thus, isn't his equal. oO

Qui-Gon is one of the greatest Jedi of all time as well, lmao.
So is TPM Kenobi.

That's what I said.
But Accolades like Plagueis > Vitiate can't be contradicted by feats - as least as long as Vitty doesn't beats him.

Originally posted by Habro
Well us two then have different definition of warriors, because Maul shouldn't have struggled against Jedi Master of Qui-Gon caliber and a padawan if truly had been one of the greatest. Not to mention almost got overwhelmed by a padawan. And how can Plagueis defeat Vitiate then? What is his win condition?

Gui-Gon is one of the best swordsman produced by the order. Maul almost dominating him and his padawan (which would become one the best Jedi ever in the future) is a solid feat to back up his accolade.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
That's what I said.
But Accolades like Plagueis > Vitiate can't be contradicted by feats - as least as long as Vitty doesn't beats him.

I never claimed otherwise. Considering Plagueis' own feats and his doubt about his placement among the ancients, I consider him to be marginally superior to Vitiate.

With likes of Exar Kun, Darth Malak, Darth Malgus etc. You guys really think Maul is one of the greatest?

Originally posted by Habro
With likes of Exar Kun, Darth Malak, Darth Malgus etc. You guys really think Maul is one of the greatest?

Of course he is, along with these guys as well. This doesn't mean they are equals.

Yes.
"One of the greatest" could refer to a Top 100 Sith lmfao.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Yes.
"One of the greatest" could refer to a Top 100 Sith lmfao.
True. So as you persuaded me in Plagueis > Vitiate, how many ROT Sith > Vitiate?

Only Plagueis and Sidious are > Vitiate.

Originally posted by Ursumeles
Only Plagueis and Sidious are > Vitiate.
I thought so.