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RotS Mace Windu. Fight takes place on the Foundry. Full restore after each round. Morals off.

Warmup: Amnesiac Revan at the start of KotOR

1. Pre-Mandalorian Wars Revan

2. EoMW Revan

3. Darth Revan

4. EoKotOR Revan

5. Pre-mask novel Revan

6. Masked novel Revan (Revan Reborn)

Break: Foundry Revan

7. SoR Revan

Bonus: Mace runs through the gauntlet without rest. Where does he stop?

For the lolz round: Mace Windu vs Darth Revan & Darth Malak on Dantooine

4-6
Without rest prolly 3

While Mace fights Revan, Malak tries to kill Revan from behind, and removes him from the fight.
Then Mace pwns Malak.

Mace stopping at 4 when he's factually more skilled and more powerful than Revan as of the last time he walked the Jedi Temple?

Skill and power don't decide everything, of course, but I can't think of any redeeming factors on Revan's part as of KotOR.

Yeah, he should win 4.
You will hopefully gimme the power quote in the other thread, tho.

4 or 5

He beats 5 as well, since his quotes apply up to then. I can't imagine rotting in a cell improves your skill either, so Mace probably takes Revan Reborn also.

It'd take SoR to stop him at least.

So...Dooku and Mace should be rather close to Novel Vitiate

Well, Revan Reborn obviously grew in power (since regaining his memories seems to restore power or coincide with a power growth). I don't believe he grew in skill, though, so I still think Mace can win by virtue of his skill edge.

I'd hold that Mace's more powerful than Revan Reborn also, although I understand that this may be a controversial stance.

He grew in power, but so did Dooku from TPM to RotS.
So he is possibly around Revan Reborn, power-wise.
RR absorbed 97% of Vitiate's lightning. So, Dooku is around NoVitiate.
Sidious ragdolled Dooku.
RotS Sidious can ragdoll NoVitiate

I've recently extended the gap between Sidious and Vitiate, actually. Not to the point where TCW Sidious can ragdoll novel Vitiate as he pleases, but he's certainly much more powerful.

I did now as well.

Down at 6 or 7.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I've recently extended the gap between Sidious and Vitiate, actually. Not to the point where TCW Sidious can ragdoll novel Vitiate as he pleases, but he's certainly much more powerful.

Yes he can. I'm disappointed in you.

That's straight retarded.

Could potentially clear 6 through superior saber skills, but otherwise stops there, or 7.

Without rest, he's down at 2 or 3.

Originally posted by AncientPower
That's straight retarded.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I've recently extended the gap between Sidious and Vitiate, actually. Not to the point where TCW Sidious can ragdoll novel Vitiate as he pleases, but he's certainly much more powerful.


Even the best of PT brigade are approaching retard levels now.

Originally posted by Azronger
Down at 6 or 7.

Originally posted by SunRazer
I've recently extended the gap between Sidious and Vitiate, actually. Not to the point where TCW Sidious can ragdoll novel Vitiate as he pleases, but he's certainly much more powerful.
Sidious can ragdoll valk as he pleases let alone vitiate

5 is honestly probably weaker than 4.

Whatever case, loses at Reborn.

7 or clears

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
7 or clears
Lmfao

Where is SOR Revan in the rankings of all force users?

Well below valk who is below plagueis who is well below yoda/sidious

Originally posted by hutchy1345
Where is SOR Revan in the rankings of all force users?
Above Vader and Caedus, alongside Krayt and Kun.

Without rest he falls at 4 or 5.

With rest he falls SoR Revan.

Goes down somewhere between 6-7.

Bonus - stops at 3.

For the lolz - Mace probably takes it after a grueling match.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Above Vader and Caedus, alongside Krayt and Kun.

Above Vader, definitely.

Above Caedus, yes.

Above Kun, probably.

Above Krayt, yeah.

So he's most likely above all of those, but below Plagueis, Valk, Sidious and Yoda.

Krayt and Jacen are debatable.

They are, but I'd still say he's above them.

I personally have Revan below them, but above Kun and Vader.

Revan Reborn kills him

6

Regarding the Windu quote:

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Shocker: I was right.

Show the full quote

https://s17.postimg.org/m46fzh2m7/image.png

The rest was De Agostini not understanding (there's a shocker) what I was asking (if it was Legends canon) and they thought I was asking if the quote from the Fact Files was also Disney Canon, in which they then clarified how the re-release operates under the new Canon policy.

The part regarding the discussion here is the snippet I originally posted.

Yeah, not seeing how this changes anything.

https://s16.postimg.org/kkrm3o8xx/image.png

They're saying here that the quote is only accurate as of the time of the publication, which predates KotOR and SWTOR.

The re-release Fact Files apparently addresses those that came before, but they also make note that it's intended to be within the Canon continuity.

Even with the re-release, it doesn't apply to future characters and intentionally neglects those that the audience wouldn't be familiar with.

I'm not seeing the "only" there.

The quote is suggestingstating it was accurate as of the 2002 to 2005 time-span.

That's further solidified by the third paragraph saying the re-release doesn't apply to future characters.

I'll send a response message for clarification though, since you're too brain dead to understand.

4-6.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
The quote is suggestingstating it was accurate as of the 2002 to 2005 time-span.

That's further solidified by the third paragraph saying the re-release doesn't apply to future characters.

I'll send a response message for clarification though, since you're too brain dead to understand. Nope, "at the time of publication" does not preclude it continuing to be valid after the fact. Only confirms it's validity... at the time of publication.

The later paragraphs seem to confirm that it only refers to characters prexisting in continuity, but that is not the same as what you attempted to claim.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
The later paragraphs seem to confirm that it only refers to characters prexisting in continuity
(Revan wasn't around in 2002)

Oh sry, I forgot that your cognitive functions fail to operate when discussing something that does not revolve around your beloved senpai.

I'd like to see the full response, Ant. ./:

On the last page.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
https://s17.postimg.org/m46fzh2m7/image.png

The rest was De Agostini not understanding (there's a shocker) what I was asking (if it was Legends canon) and they thought I was asking if the quote from the Fact Files was also Disney Canon, in which they then clarified how the re-release operates under the new Canon policy.

The part regarding the discussion here is the snippet I originally posted.
all the quote says is that disney canon takes precedent over it. The fact file being accurate as of the time of publication was referring to disney's takeover. Nothing in the quote invalidates the fact file's use which the quote you're using itself says is legends canon.

It is a dark day indeed when Kbro of all people makes the most lucid point.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
http://i.imgur.com/jpB2Z2i.png
http://i.imgur.com/0bzHuVG.png

So that basically means one thing: if a Fact File statement is contradicted by later sources then those later sources take precedence. If it's not contradicted, I see no reason to assume they don't hold any weight.

Refer to my original question:

"Quotes regarding most powerful Jedi only applied to the old Star Wars continuity during the time-span of the publication?"

There response was "this is correct..." Thus, "any official information" is referring to content in general, not direct retcons.

Can't argue with that.

As for general legends canon would this mean legends quotes don't hold any bearing on new characters? Or would that only be if there are official quotes afterwards which contradict the quote in question

My question specifically asked regarding new characters simply existing, not direct retcons, so I'd say the former.

The latter is also true, but that has always been policy.

Originally posted by MythLord
So that basically means one thing: if a Fact File statement is contradicted by later sources then those later sources take precedence. If it's not contradicted, I see no reason to assume they don't hold any weight. So you're unbelievably stupid and cannot grasp the meaning of this post. I guanantee someone dropped you as a child. Multiple times.

To be entirely fair, this only applies to DeAgostini. Other publishers might have different policies, but I honestly doubt it.

This should be common sense anyways that any statements only pertain to existing characters at the time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This should be common sense anyways that any statements only pertain to existing characters at the time.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So you're unbelievably stupid and cannot grasp the meaning of this post. I guanantee someone dropped you as a child. Multiple times.

I know basic comprehension is outside your general capabilities, but you could try and look at things logically. Continuity doesn't work by just dismissing every quote that's made before a certain source came out.

It holds some weight unless completely contradicted.

Well ant about the conception of characters afterwards, not sources

Originally posted by MythLord
Continuity doesn't work by just dismissing every quote that's made before a certain source came out.

It holds some weight unless completely contradicted.



Originally posted by DarthAnt66
My question:

"Just to clarify, the original Fact Files quote regarding the most powerful Jedi only applied to the old Star Wars continuity during the time-span of the publication (i.e. 2002 to 2005)?"

"As you mentioned, the re-release only applies to characters who predated the series, so I imagine the original version also has the same policy."

Their response:

"That is correct when considering the "Legends" canon."

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Are ya'll serious? They directly confirm above that the quotes in Fact Files only applies up to characters around as of the time of the publication.

I imagine the confusion is coming from "official information," but given the context, that's referring to new stories and characters, not retconning quotes.

I'd say he stops at 6.

He can beat Darth Revan barely.
Definitely loses against Revan Redeemed.

Mace clears