Jedi Grand Master Yoda VS. Jedi Grand Master Luke

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AncientPower
The Jedi Order's all-time great powerhouses face off in the ultimate battle to decide the light side's greatest champion.

Prime Yoda

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VS.

FOTJ Luke Skywalker

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Location:

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Rules:

Morals off.
Oneness isn't applicable.

Rounds:
1.Force.
2.Sabers.
3.All-out.

Ursumeles
Luke in all.

AncientPower
The reason I believe this is such a good fight is that Yoda stalemated Darth Sidious over-all despite being two decades away from his natural death.

Luke Skywalker with an amplification by Leia and fetal Anakin defeated Darth Sidious in the Emperor's most powerful incarnation before becoming far more powerful as Jedi Grand Master.

DarthAnt66
I think Yoda winning is far more plausible than most here want to admit, but nevertheless I'd still side with Luke.

AncientPower
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Luke in all.

Reasons? Yoda's two hundred years more powerful than he was in Revenge of the Sith.

Ursumeles
Originally posted by AncientPower
Reasons? Yoda's two hundred years more powerful than he was in Revenge of the Sith. Ranking prime Yoda is damn hard, but Luke is imo just flat-out more impressive.

AncientPower
Not exactly, Yoda was twenty years near death in a lifespan of 900 years, when he stalemated Darth Sidious. In his prime he should be straight up defeating the Emperor, if not taking him solidly.

SunRazer
Luke would take the Emperor as well. Even Yoda by his prime isn't someone I'd put past DE Palpatine, whereas I would do that for Luke.

AncientPower
Yoda in his prime isn't hindered by crippling old age as he is in his duel with Darth Sidious. As much power as Sidious gains after the fact, one can't deny how much more powerful Yoda would also be.

SunRazer
Right, but I don't believe that reversing Yoda's infirmities would have made up for Sidious studying sources of knowledge from over a million worlds, and becoming so powerful that he could literally distort the space-time continuum and was in fact affecting it with his mere presence. Sidious ultimately became more of an energy being than a living being.

AncientPower
From Luke's perspective, yes, but we never actually see anything of the sort in Dark Empire.

SunRazer
It's not Luke's perspective, it's an objective quote from the Endnotes.

MythLord
Luke wins. Prime Yoda is utter speculation. There's not much proof to suggest he's grown weaker over the centuries.

SunRazer
He's slowed a bit and lessened in telekinetic power (although the whole Muntuur Stones thing doesn't make much sense anyway). Probably not even enough to justify beating RotJ Palpatine, never mind DE.

MythLord
The difference is honestly going to be minimal, if anything, given he's still the most powerful Jedi in history sans Luke by 19 BBY and the literal avatar of light. And the Muntuur thing is absolute horse-pucky when Yoda has feats that dwarf it.

AncientPower
The point is that Yoda was a little over a decade from his deathbed, he's really, really old. Naturally a younger one isn't inflicted with crippling age and has more power to bring to bear in a fight.

MythLord
Being more than two decades away from your deathbed doesn't make you weaker, lmao.

Naturally, a younger Yoda wouldn't have to depend on Force augmentation as much, but every Force user depends on it regardless and Yoda's power/connection to the Force would've likely increased over two centuries so he could more than make up for faltering age. If Dooku, Bane, Krayt and many others can do it, then someone considerably more powerful than them can do it as well.

AncientPower
The more power you expend to keep going is less power to make the difference in a fight. In a situation like his Senate Duel, that extra power could have been everything.

carthage
Grandmaster Luke

Rockydonovang
Luke. Luke has more potential than yoda, prime luke would be>prime yoda

Geistalt

MythLord
Originally posted by AncientPower
The more power you expend to keep going is less power to make the difference in a fight. In a situation like his Senate Duel, that extra power could have been everything.

Sure, but you'd have to consider the fact that Yoda would've no doubt grown in power over the period of 200 years, which means he has more power to use up.

This isn't to mention the fact that the gap between a Force user's no-amped physical capabilities and augmented physical abilities is usually astronomical that Yoda's younger physique would barely lessen the amount of power he'd have to waste to keep up with Palpatine.

It more than balances out in the end.

Habro
Luke all. ROTS Yoda is prime Yoda.

darthbane77
Luke

Azronger
This so-called prime Yoda is a complete unknown and I see no reason why he should defeat even RotS Palpatine. Luke makes mincemeat out of him.

Rockydonovang
i mean, given rots's ability to force palp to an explosive stalemate, a more powerful versionof yoda could likely win.

Azronger
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
i mean, given rots's ability to force palp to an explosive stalemate, a more powerful versionof yoda could likely win.

Power isn't the only thing that matters in a fight.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Azronger
Power isn't the only thing that matters in a fight.
Well we know yoda's slower than he was 200 years ago, he wouldn't be hindered by arthirtus which would improve his dueling ability as well

Deronn_solo
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I think Yoda winning is far more plausible than most here want to admit, but nevertheless I'd still side with Luke.

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Azronger
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Well we know yoda's slower than he was 200 years ago, he wouldn't be hindered by arthirtus which would improve his dueling ability as well

Given that dueling is completely irrelevant if Palpatine goes all-out, I don't see how this matters.

Beniboybling
People are assuming that RotS Yoda isn't his prime, and yet despite his physical infirmities his knowledge and mastery over the Force should have been at its peak, and after his encounter with the Priestesses, he fully perfected his spirit.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by Beniboybling
People are assuming that RotS Yoda isn't his prime, and yet despite his physical infirmities his knowledge and mastery over the Force should have been at its peak, and after his encounter with the Priestesses, he fully perfected his spirit.

good point on the spirit thing. If we go by this line of logic, you could say cade got a power boost after killing krayt as he acknowledged himself as a jedi or kenobi got a permanent boost from his fight vs anakin as he learned to fully let go.

Geistalt
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Well we know yoda's slower than he was 200 years ago, he wouldn't be hindered by arthirtus which would improve his dueling ability as well Dark Empire Sidious doesn't stand a chance.

Concessions accepted. ggwp

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NTJack0
Originally posted by Ursumeles
Luke in all.

Geistalt
Originally posted by AncientPower
Reasons? Yoda's two hundred years more powerful than he was in Revenge of the Sith. Is there any evidence that suggests that Yoda grew weaker with age?

Just curious.

samappo
We don't know enough about Yoda in his 'prime'.

Luke wins though. He canonically became the most powerful Jedi in galactic history and surpasses DE Sidious.

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