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-Kingdom Gog-
https://s18.postimg.org/8r1grbzg9/image.jpg


VS.


-Gorr-
https://s18.postimg.org/5lgv14gu1/image.jpg

+

-Old King Thor-
https://s18.postimg.org/hom6oorw9/image.jpg



*Fight takes place on Mars.
*Standard equipment for each.


How goes this?

Is Gog really this strong?

I think a strong argument can be made for him, sure.

Gog.

He was by definition above skyfathers.

Refresh my memory...is this the Gog that the JSA cut his head off and welded it to the Source Wall?

Originally posted by Digi
Refresh my memory...is this the Gog that the JSA cut his head off and welded it to the Source Wall? Nah, that version was an Old God from the Third World:
https://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/33938709_5857364.jpg https://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/33938710_1531712.jpg https://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/33938711_7606924.jpg https://s6d3.turboimg.net/t1/33938717_9979350.jpg

I am using the version from The Kingdom, whose powers were gleaned from the Quintessence as well as Hypertime.

Ah, gotcha. Is it worth reading?

It's a short, fun read that expands on DC cosmology quite a bit(it introduces Hypertime.) It's certainly not on par with 'Kingdom Come', though... Just know that going in.

Tough one

Gog was imbued with the power of the Quintessence (minus PS), which should make him an uber threat (he was). Ultimately he ended up with way more power than they intended him to have. His staff was powerful enough to blast a hole into hypertime and 1 hit kill dozens of Supermen from across time. That's more raw power - for sure - than we saw from the team. If you want to get into PIS, he blasted a hole in Mxy which made Mxy flee back to the 5th dimension.

Yeah, I think he's > Skyfather. He should win.

Went and read the Kingdom. With such a short arc, it's inevitably going to become a bit of an "implied power vs. feats" argument. Based on what I saw, I wouldn't be comfortable placing him at or above Skyfather. Plenty of Trans. level characters could replicate what he did, even if the implications of his power source(s) could conceivably have made him more powerful.

Originally posted by Digi
Went and read the Kingdom. With such a short arc, it's inevitably going to become a bit of an "implied power vs. feats" argument. Based on what I saw, I wouldn't be comfortable placing him at or above Skyfather. Plenty of Trans. level characters could replicate what he did, even if the implications of his power source(s) could conceivably have made him more powerful.

Originally posted by Cogito
Tough one

Gog was imbued with the power of the Quintessence (minus PS), which should make him an uber threat (he was). Ultimately he ended up with way more power than they intended him to have. His staff was powerful enough to blast a hole into hypertime and 1 hit kill dozens of Supermen from across time. That's more raw power - for sure - than we saw from the team. If you want to get into PIS, he blasted a hole in Mxy which made Mxy flee back to the 5th dimension.

Yeah, I think he's > Skyfather. He should win.

Wasn't that blast made of red sunlight?

Originally posted by Diesldude
Wasn't that blast made of red sunlight?
Yeah.

He said it his staff contained the power of a dozen red suns or some such.. Sounded a bit hyperbolic, but seemed legit considering he received his power from Shazam, Highhfather, Ganthet, and Zeus.

Originally posted by Digi
Went and read the Kingdom. With such a short arc, it's inevitably going to become a bit of an "implied power vs. feats" argument. Based on what I saw, I wouldn't be comfortable placing him at or above Skyfather. Plenty of Trans. level characters could replicate what he did, even if the implications of his power source(s) could conceivably have made him more powerful. Granted his appearances are limited, but Gog still has feats enough to make this a great fight, imo.


His brute strength is sufficient to ragdoll numerous Supermen, and Superman-level beings, like fodder:
http://i.imgur.com/cr4az4mm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YoAYh7ym.jpg


His speed is sufficient to easily out-perceive/react to a blitzing Flash:
http://i.imgur.com/ZiyHc2cm.jpg

Even when Rip Hunter was literally stepping in-between NANOseconds to try and out-speed Gog, it STILL wasn't remotely enough -- Gog countered him effortlessly:
http://i.imgur.com/duUWhuam.jpg

*Mind you, Gog was able to preform the above speed feats while his concentration was also focused on the other beings fighting him. Insane.


Gog could also absorb ANY type of energy(be it magical, cosmic, elemental, etc.), and use it to amp his own power:
http://i.imgur.com/7wgguqvm.jpg


He could also manifest entirely new abilities on the fly, after stealing them from their host:
http://i.imgur.com/ECXsu8d.jpg


Originally posted by Diesldude
Wasn't that blast made of red sunlight? The heat of a DOZEN red suns, in fact:
http://i.imgur.com/fFQNq11.jpg

However, his staff also contained vastly more power than just star-heat:
http://i.imgur.com/xqPwzzT.jpg


PIS or not, that immense power is why the staff was haxx enough to do retarded shit like blast a hole through an unprepared Mxy:
http://i.imgur.com/Oq0JRWnm.jpg

And shatter the barriers of Hypertime itself:
http://i.imgur.com/aQ6VVgE.jpg



The dude was friggin ridiculous.

Yeah. Nothing you said is wrong. The reaction feat is most impressive to me. Tbh, the ragdolling and one-shot-level power is something plenty of teambusters have displayed. Among them, various Amazo robots that Gog himself mentions. Or Onimar Synn, to name another DC villain I'd probably give the nod to over Gog. And I'm not sure we can really make heads or tails of the Mxy feat. Without additional context, we can't really say it did lasting damage. Granted, the Onimar Synns of the world are healthy upper-Trans.-level beings. I'm just not sure I could say more than that.

Given time, the implications of those feats are enormous. But we've also seen hundreds of villains with similarly absurd initial showings come down to earth - so to speak - when given more time. So, as mentioned, despite those beastly showings, there's still a lot of "implied vs. actual" to me in the power level you're wanting to ascribe to him.

Damn. Pretty uber for Gog. How was he defeated?

He shot himself.

You kidding? Well then, team uses illusions and the necrosword to shoothimself at super speed.

Originally posted by Digi
Yeah. Nothing you said is wrong. The reaction feat is most impressive to me. Tbh, the ragdolling and one-shot-level power is something plenty of teambusters have displayed. Among them, various Amazo robots that Gog himself mentions. Or Onimar Synn, to name another DC villain I'd probably give the nod to over Gog. And I'm not sure we can really make heads or tails of the Mxy feat. Without additional context, we can't really say it did lasting damage. Granted, the Onimar Synns of the world are healthy upper-Trans.-level beings. I'm just not sure I could say more than that.

Given time, the implications of those feats are enormous. But we've also seen hundreds of villains with similarly absurd initial showings come down to earth - so to speak - when given more time. So, as mentioned, despite those beastly showings, there's still a lot of "implied vs. actual" to me in the power level you're wanting to ascribe to him. To each his own.

Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Damn. Pretty uber for Gog. How was he defeated? Superman managed to redirect a blast from Gog's staff, which tore a hole in Hypertime itself that pulled Gog in with it:
https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118298_The_Kingdom_002-028.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118301_The_Kingdom_002-029.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118302_The_Kingdom_002-030.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118305_The_Kingdom_002-031.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118311_The_Kingdom_002-032.jpg


Afterward, the heroes were able to deliver Gog back to the Quintessence:
https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118313_The_Kingdom_002-037.jpg

Gog ftw.

Is this gorr at the end or the beginning of the story arc?

One thing's for sure (and I can get behind a split either way): I enjoy carver's cheerleading attempts.

OKT managed to go toe to toe with a dying Galactus. I dunno if that's enough to give him the win, but Gorr for sure get's his ass whooped here.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
One thing's for sure (and I can get behind a split either way): I enjoy carver's cheerleading attempts.

You remember the times when he was your personal cheerleader and you used to make out?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You remember the times when he was your personal cheerleader and you used to make out?

He never did, actually. It was always an enmity from the start.

Am surprised you didn't see the SAbes/Carnage thread.

Originally posted by Classic NES
OKT managed to go toe to toe with a dying Galactus. It's always difficult to definitively gauge alternate versions of any character -- let alone Galactus.

Either way, a full-force punch from that version of Galactus sent OKT hurling completely through the earth and into the moon(think he hit the moon so hard it cracked in off), yet he shrugged it off just fine. With that in mind, I don't think it'd be a wise decision for Gog to sit there throw fisticuffs with OKT, given the old man's ridiculous durability. However, physicality isn't the only ability at Gog's disposal, either.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's always difficult to definitively gauge alternate versions of any character -- let alone Galactus.

Either way, a full-force punch from that version of Galactus sent OKT hurling completely through the earth and into the moon(think he hit the moon so hard it cracked in off), yet he shrugged it off just fine. With that in mind, I don't think it'd be a wise decision for Gog to sit there throw fisticuffs with OKT, given the old man's ridiculous durability. However, physicality isn't the only ability at Gog's disposal, either.

Fair enough, I dunno how it goes between Gog and the Old man. But, Gorr? He dies fast.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Fair enough, I dunno how it goes between Gog and the Old man. But, Gorr? He dies fast. ........you do know that gorr beat OKT, normal thor, and young thor right? Hell, wasn't he keeping OKT hostage in his own throne room for a few hundred years?

I'd go with team, but that Mxy blast dough.... Makes Mxy look real bad, but wutever..

Originally posted by deathslash
........you do know that gorr beat OKT, normal thor, and young thor right? Hell, wasn't he keeping OKT hostage in his own throne room for a few hundred years?

First of all, it was 10,000 years not 100 years. Second, we did not see the circumstances that lead up to OKT being held hostage by the Necrosword constructs, just the result. The Odin-Power which the monarchs of Asgard use, depletes with use and when he met up with his past selves and fought against Gorr. He had long depleted the Odin Force because the Asgardian Gaurd was long gone and he couldn't safely enter the Odin sleep to replenish his powers. When he did manage to scrap up enough power to use the full potential of the Odin force; even if it was just for a second--He proceeded to blast Gorr across space and Gorr needed a diaper change. So, I have no clue what you're trying to argue here.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
I'd go with team, but that Mxy blast dough.... Makes Mxy look real bad, but wutever.. I don't think it was a poor showing for Mxy at all, tbh.

a.) He was entirely unprepared for the blast.
b.) That staff is ridiculously haxx -- powerful enough to blow apart the phucking barriers/boundaries of Hypertime itself.

Originally posted by Classic NES
First of all, it was 10,000 years not 100 years. Second, we did not see the circumstances that lead up to OKT being held hostage by the Necrosword constructs, just the result. The Odin-Power which the monarchs of Asgard use, depletes with use and when he met up with his past selves and fought against Gorr. He had long depleted the Odin Force because the Asgardian Gaurd was long gone and he couldn't safely enter the Odin sleep to replenish his powers. When he did manage to scrap up enough power to use the full potential of the Odin force; even if it was just for a second--He proceeded to blast Gorr across space and Gorr needed a diaper change. So, I have no clue what you're trying to argue here. 1. I said a few hundred years, not a hundred.

2. Thank you, it's been a while since I've read the story and I'd obviously forgotten some details.

3. Gorr getting blasted across the galaxy kinda shows that he's capable of taking some hits from skyfathers and it's worth noting that he still fought three thors at the same time and even if we assumed that thor not managing to go into the Odin sleep put him back down to the high herald level, his victory over three thors should mean that he's at least around the mid trans tier.

3. I was trying to argue that gorr doesn't just get rolled like you were suggesting.

Originally posted by deathslash
1. I said a few hundred years, not a hundred.

2. Thank you, it's been a while since I've read the story and I'd obviously forgotten some details.

3. Gorr getting blasted across the galaxy kinda shows that he's capable of taking some hits from skyfathers and it's worth noting that he still fought three thors at the same time and even if we assumed that thor not managing to go into the Odin sleep put him back down to the high herald level, his victory over three thors should mean that he's at least around the mid trans tier.

3. I was trying to argue that gorr doesn't just get rolled like you were suggesting.

1. No problem

2. He got hit by a blast for a second and he was terrified. OKT that fought Galactus most likely replenished his powers and would be more than formidable to Gorr.

Originally posted by Classic NES
1. No problem

2. He got hit by a blast for a second and he was terrified. OKT that fought Galactus most likely replenished his powers and would be more than formidable to Gorr. 1. Thanks

2. He almost certainly replenished his power, but remember that he was fighting a weakened galactus (he was so weak that he was showing visible signs of age) and he only beat him by using the necroblade. Either way, I agree that this is a good fight, but I don't think that gorr just gets straight up rolled.

Originally posted by deathslash
1. Thanks

2. He almost certainly replenished his power, but remember that he was fighting a weakened galactus (he was so weak that he was showing visible signs of age) and he only beat him by using the necroblade. Either way, I agree that this is a good fight, but I don't think that gorr just gets straight up rolled.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Galan007
Granted his appearances are limited, but Gog still has feats enough to make this a great fight, imo.


His brute strength is sufficient to ragdoll numerous Supermen, and Superman-level beings, like fodder:
http://i.imgur.com/cr4az4mm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/YoAYh7ym.jpg


His speed is sufficient to easily out-perceive/react to a blitzing Flash:
http://i.imgur.com/ZiyHc2cm.jpg

Even when Rip Hunter was literally stepping in-between NANOseconds to try and out-speed Gog, it STILL wasn't remotely enough -- Gog countered him effortlessly:
http://i.imgur.com/duUWhuam.jpg

*Mind you, Gog was able to preform the above speed feats while his concentration was also focused on the other beings fighting him. Insane.


Gog could also absorb ANY type of energy(be it magical, cosmic, elemental, etc.), and use it to amp his own power:
http://i.imgur.com/7wgguqvm.jpg


He could also manifest entirely new abilities on the fly, after stealing them from their host:
http://i.imgur.com/ECXsu8d.jpg


The heat of a DOZEN red suns, in fact:
http://i.imgur.com/fFQNq11.jpg

However, his staff also contained vastly more power than just star-heat:
http://i.imgur.com/xqPwzzT.jpg


PIS or not, that immense power is why the staff was haxx enough to do retarded shit like blast a hole through an unprepared Mxy:
http://i.imgur.com/Oq0JRWnm.jpg

And shatter the barriers of Hypertime itself:
http://i.imgur.com/aQ6VVgE.jpg



The dude was friggin ridiculous.

IF Gog can copy powers akin to Amazo, he should win. That's pretty impressive.

That Flash, incidentally, was pure Speed Force.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That Flash, incidentally, was pure Speed Force.


http://i.imgur.com/J60T1Im.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/c6RdiYl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Gl8bIpq.jpg

Gorr was getting exponentially more powerful throughout the arc. Peak Gorr + OKT would be able to handle Gog, otherwise it could go either way.

Originally posted by Galan007
I don't think it was a poor showing for Mxy at all, tbh.

a.) He was entirely unprepared for the blast.
b.) That staff is ridiculously haxx -- powerful enough to blow apart the phucking barriers/boundaries of Hypertime itself.
a)
b) His staff is definitely powerful what with all the dozen red suns and such, but hypertime boundaries has been broken by others.

Mxy is a universal++/multiversal reality warper. The way he folded here like a cheap suit leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. He didn't even reform immediately and make the attack look inconsequential like Emp Joker or SF DS...

Extremely low showing for sure and very high for Gog.

Then it was a sneak attack. I'm sure if Mxy was prepared for it the results would've been different.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
but hypertime boundaries has been broken by others. When else have the barriers of Hypertime been shattered by a single blast?

Originally posted by Galan007
When else have the barriers of Hypertime been shattered by a single blast?
Single blast? Not sure.

Iirc amped SBP broke a similar barrier(I think DC did away with calling it "hypertime" at that time) during IC. Granted it did take him many blows, but I was referencing the fact that it has been broken.

In Gog's case I wasn't really surprised he breached the walls of hypertime since his masters granted him power to affect timelines. That was their hope after all. It was an uber feat considering it was done in one attack.

Whilst you may say it was a high end feat for Gog (and it definitely isn't a LOW one, by any means...)

He has so few appearances, that you cant say if its high or low. If a a character has five appearances, and in one of them he stomps the Spectre, say, you cant say it was an outlier.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Single blast? Not sure.

Iirc amped SBP broke a similar barrier(I think DC did away with calling it "hypertime" at that time) during IC. Granted it did take him many blows, but I was referencing the fact that it has been broken. The 'walls' Prime repeatedly struck for hours on end =/= Hypertime -- but even if that were the case, it still isn't remotely close to what Gog did.

Tbh, the only characters I am aware of that can alter Hypertime with any degree of ease, are 5D Imps... Gog's feat is actually quite unprecedented.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
In Gog's case I wasn't really surprised he breached the walls of hypertime since his masters granted him power to affect timelines. That was their hope after all. It was an uber feat considering it was done in one attack. Granted, the Quintessence gifted Gog with the ability to dimension-hop. However, they did not purposefully endow him with the ability to manipulate Hypertime on *any* level -- let alone shatter it's boundaries with a SINGLE blast.... Heck, they didn't even know Hypertime existed at all, lol.

Indeed it was a very uber showing for Gog/the staff. Said 'uberness' + the fact that Mxy was completely unprepared for the blast, is why I do not consider it a low showing for Mxy at all. /shrug

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Whilst you may say it was a high end feat for Gog (and it definitely isn't a LOW one, by any means...)

He has so few appearances, that you cant say if its high or low. If a a character has five appearances, and in one of them he stomps the Spectre, say, you cant say it was an outlier.
R u prepared to take Gog > Mxy?

Same reason why Hyperion Now in his first year of appearances shoudnt be considered skyfather+++ omg strength level. Sometimes common sense has to be applied.

That's like asking me if im prepared to take Masterson Thor vs Spiderman :P

Prob is a low showing for Mxy, especially once you take all his highs. But my point is, its not necessarily a high point for Gog, but his average.

Does he have low showings, to even them out, for example? It's like taking Rulk during his Watcher KO period...and only taking that. Sure, later on he's watered down, but until Gog has a similar watering period, you cant say its an outlier.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
That's like asking me if im prepared to take Masterson Thor vs Spiderman :P

Prob is a low showing for Mxy, especially once you take all his highs. But my point is, its not necessarily a high point for Gog, but his average.
We also have to take into account the majority of what he was doing in those few appearances. In his main battles, it wasn't like he was absolutely destroying and killing everyone. Him blowing a hole through mxy and mxy looking powerless to even retaliate is an incredibly large departure from his attacks against the heroes.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
R u prepared to take Gog > Mxy? Had Mxy been prepared for the blast, sure. But he wasn't, so no.

The *only* wtf moment for me is the fact that Mxy didn't just insta-reform(which we know he can undoubtedly do.) However, he may not have been able to reform because of the exotic nature of the staff/blast, or more likely, because the writer just didn't give a f*ck. Either way, I honestly don't have a problem with the staff causing that initial 'harm' to Mxy -- it *was* a very specific type of scenario, after all. That's all I'm saying.

We can argue the duration in which he stayed 'injured' all day long, though, because *that* side of things makes a lot less sense.

Originally posted by Galan007
The 'walls' Prime repeatedly struck for hours on end =/= Hypertime -- but even if that were the case, it still isn't remotely close to what Gog did.

Tbh, the only characters I am aware of that can alter Hypertime with any degree of ease, are 5D Imps... Gog's feat is actually quite unprecedented.

Granted, the Quintessence gifted Gog with the ability to dimension-hop. However, they did not purposefully endow him with the ability to manipulate Hypertime on *any* level -- let alone shatter it's boundaries with a SINGLE blast.... Heck, they didn't even know Hypertime existed at all, lol.

Indeed it was a very uber showing for Gog/the staff. Said 'uberness' + the fact that Mxy was completely unprepared for the blast, is why I do not consider it a low showing for Mxy at all. /shrug
I'm quite confident Hypertime in Kingdom and the limbo space in IC are one and the same. The only difference was the term. Iirc they stopped using "hypertime" during IC. It was basically the space where alt earth's/timelines converge and can be viewed. Notice the same window like depiction.

Kingdom
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/C-idgTXWvMk/maxresdefault.jpg

Infinite Crisis
http://www.funnybookbabylon.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/scan0032.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5705/1586/1600/16.0.jpg

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5705/1586/1600/04.1.jpg

Hypertime, as it was defined in The Kingdom, represents the ENTIRETY of the DCU- past, present, and future. This includes ALL possible realms/dimensions/universes that comprise DC's infinitude, along with every possible alternate universe as well... Heck, that splash-page shows us that even 5th dimensional beings are blanketed by Hypertime(though they absolute have control/mastery over it):
http://i.imgur.com/QI2FpSV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Lf0ektt.jpg


Prime punching the walls of Limbo only affected one universe directly, and in conjunction with Alex Luthor's tamperings, played a part in the return of the multiverse during IC -- but remember, the multiverse was only limited to a very finite 52 universes at the time, whereas the whole of Hypertime is infinite. So even IF you believe those walls represented the whole of Hypertime(which I disagree with, but to each his own), Prime's feat was still VASTLY different than Gog's... Literally not comparable at all.

Prime sat there and struck the walls of Limbo for hours before he truly broke through them:
http://i.imgur.com/pbV0Hif.jpg


Conversely, Gog shattered the barriers of Hypertime with a single blast. Again: night and day difference.

Originally posted by Galan007
Hypertime, as it was defined in The Kingdom, represents the ENTIRETY of the DCU- past, present, and future. This includes ALL possible realms/dimensions/universes that comprise DC's infinitude, along with every possible alternate universe as well... Heck, that splash-page shows us that even 5th dimensional beings are blanketed by Hypertime(though they absolute have control/mastery over it):
http://i.imgur.com/QI2FpSV.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Lf0ektt.jpg


Prime punching the walls of Limbo only affected one universe directly, and in conjunction with Alex Luthor's tamperings, played a part in the return of the multiverse during IC -- but remember, the multiverse was only limited to a very finite 52 universes at the time, whereas the whole of Hypertime is infinite. So even IF you believe those walls represented the whole of Hypertime(which I disagree with, but to each his own), Prime's feat was still VASTLY different than Gog's... Literally not comparable at all.

Prime sat there and struck the walls of Limbo for hours before he truly broke through them:
http://i.imgur.com/pbV0Hif.jpg


Conversely, Gog shattered the barriers of Hypertime with a single blast. Again: night and day difference.
Not arguing which was more impressive. Gog obviously did it with one blast while it took amped SBP many blows as I've stated earlier. Just saying that the boundary has been broken by other persons.

Now regarding "hypertime", I maintain that it the limbo in Infinite Crisis was one and the same as depicted in The Kingdom.

Look here at the final page of The Kingdom #2.
Behold Kal-L of earth 2.
http://www.funnybookbabylon.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/the-kingdom-02-large-40.jpg

Seen again a few year later in Infinite Crisis.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-aUi70R2EPG4/TgK3I7KIh1I/AAAAAAAAFhY/WofYhfNJfak/s1600/IC2.jpg


Here's a little article that has Morrison describing the conception of hypertime and it's connection with Waid's The Kingdom.
http://funnybookbabylon.com/2008/01/09/hits-off-the-source-part-two-hyper-crimes-in-hyper-time-with-superboyman-prime/

Team wins if it's end of time Gorr. If not, it becomes tricky. Gog should avoid engaging these two in a close up fight due King Thor's overall physicality/raw power BUT that staff packed a mean ass wallop BUT the Necrosword is an even bigger plot device imo (In combat power anyways).

The speed feat alone is enough to say he can take the team Imo.
Under optimal circumstances, the team will be frozen statues.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Now regarding "hypertime", I maintain that it the limbo in Infinite Crisis was one and the same as depicted in The Kingdom. Disagree. I think you're relying too much on visuals, and not considering all of the cosmological facts.

The walls of Limbo only represented/affected the happenings within the mainstream universe and its timelines. In conjunction with the machinations of Alex Luthor, Prime punching said walls ultimately splintered the mainstream universe into a 'multiverse' comprised of a very finite 52 individual universes... But like I said before: Hypertime in its entirety = absolutely everything within the whole of DC comics. ALL possible universeS(inc. alternates.) ALL possible dimensionS. ALL possible timelineS; past/present/future. etc. etc. It is a completely unbounded infinitude:

http://i.imgur.com/NfDNK4Lm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/al9S7Eum.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ucKCrHWm.jpg


tl;dr
The *most* you could realistically argue is that the Limbo walls represented a very small fraction of Hypertime's totality, as striking/breaking them only affected one universe directly. However, the walls clearly did not represent the whole of Hypertime, as infinite universes/timelines/dimensions/etc. were not affected.


...Hopefully all of that was clear.

Originally posted by Galan007
It's always difficult to definitively gauge alternate versions of any character -- let alone Galactus.

Either way, a full-force punch from that version of Galactus sent OKT hurling completely through the earth and into the moon(think he hit the moon so hard it cracked in off), yet he shrugged it off just fine. With that in mind, I don't think it'd be a wise decision for Gog to sit there throw fisticuffs with OKT, given the old man's ridiculous durability. However, physicality isn't the only ability at Gog's disposal, either. Scans?

https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255473_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-002.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255481_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-003.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255482_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-004.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255490_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-005.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255499_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-006.jpg
-Thor: God of Thunder #21 (2014)

*I misspoke, btw. The moon didn't just crack in half, it actually broke entirely when OKT was sent hurling into it.

Originally posted by Galan007
https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255473_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-002.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255481_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-003.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255482_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-004.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255490_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-005.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34255499_Thor_-_God_of_Thunder_021-006.jpg
-Thor: God of Thunder #21 (2014)

*I misspoke, btw. The moon didn't just crack in half, it actually broke entirely when OKT was sent hurling into it.

God of Thunder was a badass series.

Originally posted by Galan007
Disagree. I think you're relying too much on visuals, and not considering all of the cosmological facts.

The walls of Limbo only represented/affected the happenings within the mainstream universe and its timelines. In conjunction with the machinations of Alex Luthor, Prime punching said walls ultimately splintered the mainstream universe into a 'multiverse' comprised of a very finite 52 individual universes... But like I said before: Hypertime in its entirety = absolutely everything within the whole of DC comics. ALL possible universeS(inc. alternates.) ALL possible dimensionS. ALL possible timelineS; past/present/future. etc. etc. It is a completely unbounded infinitude:

http://i.imgur.com/NfDNK4Lm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/al9S7Eum.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ucKCrHWm.jpg


tl;dr
The *most* you could realistically argue is that the Limbo walls represented a very small fraction of Hypertime's totality, as striking/breaking them only affected one universe directly. However, the walls clearly did not represent the whole of Hypertime, as infinite universes/timelines/dimensions/etc. were not affected.


...Hopefully all of that was clear.
Totally get what ure saying. It could be just that. Possibly a part of the whole during IC. I just think when the heroes in Kingdom were "outside" of their realities in that limbo like space, it was essentially the same as in Infinite Crisis.
It felt like DC/Diddio didn't have the wherewithal to tackle Hypertime. It looks like they dealt with the DC multiverse in a simpler manner during IC I guess to make it easier to follow??

Interesting scan though which I'll refer back to was of Alexander Luthor viewing different parts of his life at different time frames, but never going beyond a certain time for story purposes. Again looks like a version of "hypertime", but following a simpler less complex explanation of a multiverse. His quote of "a place of endless yesterdays and tomorrows" is particularly interesting. Shrug.
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/5705/1586/1600/04.1.jpg

And it wasn't until Morrison was back in the fold during Final Crisis and later on in Multiversity in which "hypertime" was given greater emphasis once again. It was always there for obvious reasons just not directly tackled or properly referenced during IC.
http://i.imgur.com/YBHu3Wc.jpg


Anyways my last thoughts on this.

I can agree that the Limbo walls may have represented a small fraction of Hypertime's totality, but they just didn't represent the whole.

As mentioned: Prime punching/breaking the Limbo walls only affected one universe directly, whereas Hypertime in it's entirety represents infinite universes/realms/dimensions/etc.

Originally posted by Galan007
To each his own.

Superman managed to redirect a blast from Gog's staff, which tore a hole in Hypertime itself that pulled Gog in with it:
https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118298_The_Kingdom_002-028.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118301_The_Kingdom_002-029.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118302_The_Kingdom_002-030.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118305_The_Kingdom_002-031.jpg https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118311_The_Kingdom_002-032.jpg



Afterward, the heroes were able to deliver Gog back to the Quintessence:
https://s6d6.turboimg.net/t1/34118313_The_Kingdom_002-037.jpg

Oh man that's actually a sick feat for superman.

He took a direct hit from the blast that broke the walls of hypertime and also finished off Gog after the blast bounced off him (superman). That's pretty sick..

Originally posted by h1a8
The speed feat alone is enough to say he can take the team Imo.
Under optimal circumstances, the team will be frozen statues.
Not sure Gog's speed is a slam dunk. Both Old King Thor and Gorr shrugged off time dilation.. I think speed for characters like these will not be an issue. It's pretty much a power game.

Gog ftw