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Ulic is sent by the Jedi Council to support Bastila's brigade - the very same one that attempts to capture Darth Revan. However, Revan foresees Malak's betrayal and leaves the bridge. When Malak opens fire, he kills Bastila and her crew, but does not hurt Revan. Ulic eventually catches up with Darth Revan and swears to bring him to justice.

1. Sabers

2. Force

3. All-out

Who wins?

Morals on, but you can debate a separate morals off round if you think it makes a difference.

1. Ulic
2. Not sure
3. Ulic

Ulic rivaling Exar is honestly damn good.

Sith or Jedi Ulic?

Prime Ulic. Sith Lord Revan.

Ulic sweeps, then.

I recall thinking of something factually putting KotOR Revan > Ulic, so the gap couldn't have been much more than slight between Ulic and Darth Revan. But I have no recollection of whatever it was.

Until then, I might agree with you, actually.

Uric.

Either way.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Either way.

Ulic easily

Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Ulic easily
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Darth Revan to be honest.

Can I start to get some reasoning?

Rivaling Exar.

You already said that. I'm referring to others, particularly those who give Darth Revan a draw/win, especially in sabers.

And that one guy who said Ulic stomps.

Originally posted by SunRazer
You already said that.
Rivaling. Exar. Kun.
Originally posted by SunRazer
And that one guy who said Ulic stomps.
It's Ching.

Here's my reasoning: Ulic wins because he has better feats across the board.

Anyone remember that guy who said that Kun made Revan and Malak look like total pussy's and that the ground shook when he walked?

Ulic takes sabers. Revan may take Force, perhaps. TBH this fight really depends on how credible you find Revan > Traya and Ulic = Kun.

Prime Ulic wins all, tbh.

Based on Ulic being a dooku+ Level combatant. :>

Originally posted by TheMuser
Based on Ulic being a baas Level combatant. :>

Droma's better than Baas, rofl.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang


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Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Droma's better than Baas, rofl.
Stalemating kun in his prime is at least as good as anything ulic has done

Baas didn't stalemate Kun.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Baas didn't stalemate Kun.
He stalemated kun when he used one blade, which is the exact same thing ulic did except to an inferior version of kun

Fighting and not dying =/= stalemating

Kun and Droma being capable of fighting for hours without a victor = stalemating

There's nothing indicating that kun would have won without use of his saberstaff.
I can say that all kun did was "fighting and not dying" when he was using one blade.

Kun already creamed Baas at the start of the series, rofl. He would have replicated that fight.

Kun "got creamed" by baas when he was using one blade.

I recall Kun besting Baas and leaving to Onderon.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I recall Kun besting Baas and leaving to Onderon.
yes, when he called a second blade to his hand and used jarkai. Before that he got wrecked by baas when they were using one blade. And after that baas was able to cast doubts in kun from across the galaxy
on a side note,
baas's inability to deal with unothrdox weapons is pretty stupid given he's a combat specialist/battle master iirc

Exar Kun was confirmed to have grown immensely in power between defeating Baas via Jar'Kai and his second encounter with Baas, so that's an irrelevant detail.

He was defeated by Baas initially, but that's also irrelevant given he wasn't using his rage yet. Nevertheless, note Kun *did* defeat Baas numerous times prior in duels too.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Exar Kun was confirmed to have grown immensely in strength between defeating Baas via Jar'Kai and his second encounter with Baas, so that's an irrelevant detail.

He was defeated by Baas initially, but that's also irrelevant given he wasn't using his rage yet. Nevertheless, note Kun *did* defeat Baas numerous times prior in duels too.

Given that baas was then able to fight on par with that far more powerful version of kun when he used one blade, its obviously not an irrelevant detail.

And kun being able to beat baas in sparring sessions means jack when baas is beating/matching superior versions of kun.

Droma, good fight.

You're using circular logic here. You have yet to prove Baas fought on par with Kun any more than Dooku did against Yoda.

Your only support is the lack of evidence that Kun would have won, but I provided it via citing his previous triumph over Baas.

His previous triumph vs baas was with two blades, with one blade(as ulic fought kun), baas stomped that earlier version of kun.

Its blatantly stated and made clear that dooku beat yoda. On the otherhand when both are using one blade neither showcases any edge. Furthermore, we have it being implied that the use of the saberstaff is what did baas in with it being noted baas was specificaly "no match for kun's saberstaff".

And yes, when we have kun and baas fighting for several panels with neither gaining any edge, I'd say that shows they were fighting as equals

It's also said that Kun defeated Baas in sparring multiple times, though. I doubt he went Jar'Kai for every win.

In sparring sessions which really don't mean all that much given baas's performances vs superior versions of kun when things got serious.

Sparring sessions are learning excercises. Not sure why people consider them as a form of evidence.

What's an excercise?

And when one brings up stuff like:

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Kun "got creamed" by baas when he was using one blade.


Originally posted by Rockydonovang
yes, when he called a second blade to his hand and used jarkai. Before that he got wrecked by baas when they were using one blade.

...Those were during sparring sessions. All I'm doing is mentioning Kun defeated him more than once during sparring sessions, and I highly doubt he had to pull out a second lightsaber to do so every time.

Maybe Baas just really, really sucks against multiple blades, if he goes from stomping Kun to losing every time he whips out another blade. Doesn't make much sense, really.

Funny that Baas is a Weapon Master and Lightsaber Instructor with centuries of experience and is solely responsible for all of the lightsaber techniques Kun uses.

The argument is hilarious.

Originally posted by Trocity
What's an excercise?

And when one brings up stuff like:






...Those were during sparring sessions. All I'm doing is mentioning Kun defeated him more than once during sparring sessions, and I highly doubt he had to pull out a second lightsaber to do so every time.

Maybe Baas just really, really sucks against multiple blades, if he goes from stomping Kun to losing every time he whips out another blade. Doesn't make much sense, really.

By the time baas and kun faced each other things had escalated from being just a sparring session due to
A. Kun being caught with the holocron
B. kun's clear use of the darkside vs the other trainees.
It had escalated into a serious fight

And yea his weakness to multiple blades is pretty stupid

His weakness doesn't exist, Kun's strength was too much for his Force-imbued staff.

Originally posted by AncientPower
His weakness doesn't exist, Kun's strength was too much for his Force-imbued staff.
Not when he made use of one blade as he did vs ulic. What he did with other weaponry isn't relevant here

Kun's blatantly better than Baas.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Kun's blatantly better than Baas.
yea, with a saberstaff he didn't use vs uliq

Better as a Jedi Padawan already, let alone as a Sith Lord.

Is that why baas matched the vastly superior sith lord kun? Is that why baas was able to influence jedi kun from across the galaxy?

Answur pm kbro

Stalemate or Ulic. I'd need to see a good old Darth Revan wank argument from Ant to convince me otherwise, as Muser has done a solid job of convincing me of Ulic's power level. AP didn't hurt, either.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Is that why baas matched the vastly superior sith lord kun? Is that why baas was able to influence jedi kun from across the galaxy?

1. Matched him when? Your interpretation doesn't override established facts.

2. No idea what you're talking about. Kun embracing the dark side "affected" Vodo from across the galaxy too.

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Matched him when? Your interpretation doesn't override established facts.

2. No idea what you're talking about.
1. In their final fight, where they fought evenly for several panels before kun mad euse of his saberstaff? I mean there's also baas stomping kun when things escalted in their first fight?

2. When kun went looking for sith artifacts on onderon, he started feeling doubts baas was giving him from dattoine. Then in nadd's tomb, despite being on a place strong with the darkside, baas gave kun those same doubts from outside orbit.

1. lol Fighting evenly for several panels is not a difficult showing, nor does it denote unquestionable equality. Not when Kun is lauded as an unparalleled swordsman amongst the Jedi and appears to have outsparred Vodo more times than the reverse.

2. Master-apprentice bonds could easily explain that.

1 Being able to beat baas in sparring sessions(and no where was it indicated it was a majority btw) is pretty meaningless when baas stomps a superior version of kun when things escalate into a serious fight.
2.Did I ever say there was "unquestionable equality"? Whether Kun or Baas would have eventually won doesn't change they're obviously on the same level or that baas did indeed stalemate a vastly superior version of kun to his jedi version prior to him making use of his saber staff. And its certainly suffecient to argue he's on the same level as ulic whose performance version vs kun wasn't neccesarily better.

2. Master/apprentince bonds can't completely explain being able to influence someone light years away tbh.

I'd argue that in terms of Kun vs. Baas:

In their fight when Kun was a padawan, when Kun drew upon the darkside/his rage, he was Vodo's superior, albeit through raw power and speed as opposed to skill. Remember, the dark side is a powerful tool, especially for neophytes. Luke vs. Vader? Anakin vs Dooku?

When Kun was the DLOTS, I feel that his single-saber combat with Vodo was him "catching up" with his former teacher, showing him how powerful he became. Kun didn't get serious until he whipped out the saberstaff, wherein he swiftly stomped Baas.

1. But Kun was drawing on his darkside even when he initally got stomped by baas. By that point he'd just slammed carthar's face into the ground. And why did kun feel the need to use the second blade?

2. And in their second fight Baas was trying to reason with kun throughout the single-saber combat. And him stomping baas(though iirc baas lasted a few panels) imo can be attributed to how unothrdox his weapon is. And this is supported by it being specifically noted that baas was no match "for kun's saberstaff".

Lmfao at Baas being unfamiliar with his own weapon.

Stop thinking I don't already know all of his statements/feats/accolades.





Stop peddling the nonsensical idea that Vodo would be unfamiliar with the weapon he'd spent centuries mastering and perfecting the use of.

A common quarterstaff=/ dual blades or kun's saberstaff. I don't have to peedle crap, the text makes it clear that baas couldn't handle the type of weapon kun used, a weapon ulic doesn't use and has never faced either.

LMFAO, you've got no argument at all.

GG.

Originally posted by AncientPower
LMFAO, I've got no argument at all.

GG.

It was a lightsaber version of a weapon Baas had been mastering for centuries and which Kun had been using for maybe a few months, and yet he still stomped Baas with it.

You're a terrible troll, an hero.

Originally posted by AncientPower
It was a lightsaber version of a weapon Baas had been mastering for centuries and which Kun had been using for maybe a few months, and yet he still stomped Baas with it.

You're a terrible troll, an hero.
A.Exar kun's weapon is far more than advanced than a typical saberstaff
B. A lightsaber version of a weapon =/ a non lightsaber weapon
C. I've provided quotes which very clearly imply that baas couldn't handle the kind of weapon kun used. Evidence which you've completely failed to counter and have decided to ignore

My trolling is a better argument than your lack of one

His lightsaber is designed to function as a lightsaber.

Your quotes which you've conveniently ignored make it clear that Vodo never stood a chance in the first place.

Kun spent his time using the single blade as a gesture to his old master, asking him to join his Brotherhood. As soon as Baas refused, Kun took the gloves off and Baas got stomped.

Originally posted by AncientPower
His lightsaber is designed to function as a lightsaber.

Your quotes which you've conveniently ignored make it clear that Vodo never stood a chance in the first place.

Kun spent his time using the single blade as a gesture to his old master, asking him to join his Brotherhood. As soon as Baas refused, Kun took the gloves off and Baas got stomped.
a. Which is great, doesn't make it the same weapon as kun's. And as the quotes make clear baas couldn't handle kun's staff, so your speculation is just head canon

b. Yes baas didn't stand a chance, because kun was....
"armed with the saberstaff", its not said anywhere baas didn't have a chance when kun was using one blade. what kun can do with his saberstaff has no relevance here as he did not fight ulic with a saberstaff and ulic doens't use kun's weapon. the "in the first place" part is something you just made up.

C. And baas spent the duel trying to get kun to renounce the ways of the darkside. And yes when kun made use of his saberstaff, baas got overwhelemed.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
a. Which is great, doesn't make it the same weapon as kun's. And as the quotes make clear baas couldn't handle kun's staff, so your speculation is just head canon

b. Yes baas didn't stand a chance, because kun was....
"armed with the saberstaff", its not said anywhere baas didn't have a chance when kun was using one blade. what kun can do with his saberstaff has no relevance here as he did not fight ulic with a saberstaff and ulic doens't use kun's weapon. the "in the first place" part is something you just made up.

C. And baas spent the duel trying to get kun to renounce the ways of the darkside. And yes when kun made use of his saberstaff, baas got overwhelemed.
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Sabers only, Ulic. He stalemated Kun.
Force only, Revan most likely.
All out, Ulic after a great fight.

Ulic
Rev
Ulic