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Just began to contemplate the idea of prime Mace > prime Revan. I made some arguments on CV that begin here: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/revan-shadow-of-revan-vs-mace-windu-1780635/#js-message-36. It basically boils down to Mace being able to compete with Sidious according to Lucas (Revan not being able to do so in my mind), and Vaapad being applicable against SoR Revan, who's a dark sider by nature.

Anyways, this is a thread for you guys to discuss and decide.

1. Sabers

2. Force

3. All-out

Who wins? Fight takes place in the Jedi Temple Training Room where Anakin and Cin Drallig fight in the RotS video game.

Mace sweeps.

Mace in sabers, Revan in Force and all-out, all incredible fights.

Originally posted by MythLord
Mace sweeps.

***** please

Mace > Ulic > Vitiate > Revan.

http://i.imgur.com/bwyCY0j.png

That's not this thread, lol. The idea is to see if anybody's opinion has or can change.

Everyone's aware of what Lucas stated. In his world, Vaapad doesn't exist.

If this was Canon Windu vs Revan, you would have there would already be an argument.

But it's Legends Windu, and he does have Vaapad.

Vaapad works against SoR Revan, a pure dark sider.

Lmfao, Vaapad isn't something that just "works" or "doesn't."

SoR Revan isn't a pure dark sider either.

0/2.

Revan in all but sabers.

Bu-but how about Nova's reality-shattering argument!?

Nova, Mace can only create superconducting loop from his inner darkness. He can't use it on every darksider he meets.

@Az - Right, but at his peak Mace has that darkness, no? Unless the novel mentions that he had already dispelled his darkness, in which case my argument still works fine. The point is that once Mace is going all-out, he can reflect the powers of a greater opponent. The novel establishes Sidious as his limit.

@Ant -

1. What? The fact of the matter is that has reflected Palpatine's powers and my conclusion therefore is that it can do the same to Revan's. Also, just because Mace can do that doesn't mean he automatically wins Force. It does mean he wins all-out for me, though.

2. What aspect of the light is there in him? The spirit is a separate entity.

ohshithesserious

Funny, because Temp's proposed the same argument before and I didn't see anyone exploding. It seems like it's down to whoever presents the case as opposed to what the case actually is.

The thing here is that I'm not using wild powerscaling chains like Azronger; I'm using evidence as seen directly from factual sources. So you can forget playing the ridicule card.

Originally posted by SunRazer
That's not this thread, lol. The idea is to see if anybody's opinion has or can change.

In 4 days? Lol, uh, no I'm guessing it hasn't.

Nah, the recent ground realities on Shitiate have changed everything, Windu may stomp here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
In 4 days? Lol, uh, no I'm guessing it hasn't.

Something can change in a few hours if we present a different case.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, the recent ground realities on Shitiate have changed everything, Windu may stomp here.

By "recent" you mean decades-old quotes though, am I right?

Originally posted by Nephthys
By "recent" you mean decades-old quotes though, am I right? ancient knowledge recently uncuvured, yeah.

Originally posted by SunRazer
@Az - Right, but at his peak Mace has that darkness, no? Unless the novel mentions that he had already dispelled his darkness, in which case my argument still works fine. The point is that once Mace is going all-out, he can reflect the powers of a greater opponent. The novel establishes Sidious as his limit.

The reason he could perform on Sidious' level was because he was so pissed at Sidious himself. He could direct his anger, which boosted his Vaapad to immense levels. Even if you take peak unamped Mace to be right toward the end of his life, he wouldn't have that advantage against Revan.

But that doesn't really matter. I agree with Beni here: as the new ground realities have established, Mace stomps here anyway.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Funny, because Temp's proposed the same argument before and I didn't see anyone exploding. It seems like it's down to whoever presents the case as opposed to what the case actually is.

The thing here is that I'm not using wild powerscaling chains like Azronger; I'm using evidence as seen directly from factual sources. So you can forget playing the ridicule card.

I use factual sources as well. It really is down to who is presenting the case, at least with Ant. He's made this way too personal.

Isn't it said that Mace got over his initial despair over the revelation of Darth Sidious?

Also, the novel explicitly mentions Vaapad reflecting Sidious' darkness back at him. Mace then proceeds to reflect Sidious' Force Speed & Force Lightning.

Probably Revan. Good fight though

Revan stomps 10/10

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Mace > Ulic > Vitiate > Revan.
Yep

Originally posted by Board Walker
Revan stomps 10/10
My lord has returned.

I don't see how this could be a stomp

Lmao Mace doesn't stomp. He loses Force, wins sabers and I honestly don't know about all out.

No one said Mace stomps.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Nah, the recent ground realities on Shitiate have changed everything, Windu may stomp here.

He was joking.

Really?

I didn't know Beni to be a Revan supporter, especially not compared against the top dogs of the PT.

He's not, but there was a gag that Droma was better than Vitiate.

Was a joke but Azronger missed the memo and actually believes it now.

Kek.

I'll take official sources over Ant's opinion, yeah

Revan ragdolls Mace and Az together.

Revan as of SoR had eclipsed the rankings of purely tangible force users (IE Windu, Yoda, Sidious), it was by this point that Revan's power had become so great he could through sheer will power create a physical body for himself.

Death no longer had any effect upon Revan, and even more so any time Revan felt he still he a reason to exist (IE fight Vit), his will reshaped all of reality and he did continue to exist.

Revan had become a avatar of pure will power, whatever Revan truly believed became reality. Thus if Revan believes that he can and or must kill Windu then Windu will die, Revan cannot be killed and or permanently harmed by any of Windu's attacks.

Revan's combat speed is beyond anything Windu or Sidious could even perceive, he no longer uses locomotion to move from point A to point B. Rather Revan uses instantaneous teleporting to wherever he wants to be, Revan could simply extend his light saber, teleport momentarily to a position where it is already through windu's head, and then teleport away.

Take me.

The Board Walker hath cometh, the end is nigh.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Revan as of SoR had eclipsed the rankings of purely tangible force users (IE Windu, Yoda, Sidious), it was by this point that Revan's power had become so great he could through sheer will power create a physical body for himself.

Death no longer had any effect upon Revan, and even more so any time Revan felt he still he a reason to exist (IE fight Vit), his will reshaped all of reality and he did continue to exist.

Revan had become a avatar of pure will power, whatever Revan truly believed became reality. Thus if Revan believes that he can and or must kill Windu then Windu will die, Revan cannot be killed and or permanently harmed by any of Windu's attacks.

Revan's combat speed is beyond anything Windu or Sidious could even perceive, he no longer uses locomotion to move from point A to point B. Rather Revan uses instantaneous teleporting to wherever he wants to be, Revan could simply extend his light saber, teleport momentarily to a position where it is already through windu's head, and then teleport away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvWv3uosN9E&t=1m00s

And you call Az cancerous. :/

Revan could also simply fold the space around around Windu, and crush him out of existence.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Revan could also simply fold the space around around Windu, and crush him out of existence.

Originally posted by Board Walker
Revan could also simply fold the space around around Windu, and crush him out of existence.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.....

Revan sweeps.