ANH Ben vs Windu

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Kurk
Who wins?

Sabers
Force
All Out

TenebrousWay
Uncle Ben in all.

Azronger
Ben takes sabers at least.

Rebel95
Not sure tbh

chingchangwalla
Originally posted by Azronger
Ben takes sabers at least.
BAHAHAHAHAHAH. No one apart from Sidious is taking sabers against Mace.

Lord Stark
Jesus, Ben wank is getting out of hand.

Azronger
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
BAHAHAHAHAHAH. No one apart from Sidious is taking sabers against Mace.

Oh? Well, last I checked, when Mace went up against Maul with the help of an another Jedi, he didn't exactly blitz him. In fact, it lasted more than a few seconds. Contrasted with Kenobi's performance against a more skilled and powerful Maul, I don't see how Windu is the better swordsman.

Ursumeles
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
BAHAHAHAHAHAH. No one apart from Sidious is taking sabers against Mace. laughing

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Jesus, Ben wank is getting out of hand.

Finally some sensible wank on this forum.

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Lord Stark
Jesus, Ben wank is getting out of hand.


Well you were so happy to have Maul stomped and humiliated like that, but what did you expect the follow up debates involving Kenobi to be like?

You can't have your cake and eat it. Kenobi's always going to be in a Dooku/Mace tier from now onwards.

AncientPower
ROTS Screenplay has Windu straight up defeating Sidious, so canon Windu beats canon Ben.

Rockydonovang
As has been established kenobi's short duel with maul wasn't because he outclass. That being said kenobi is implied to be better than he was at least from sod as a duelist so he definitely has a shot at this saber wise. Force wise he well could take this given that he's deepened his connection to the force for 15 years.

Just like with dooku, this can go either way.

Geistalt
Let's be honest:

Neither Ben nor Vader could take Sidious, were they in Mace's position.

MythLord
You mean amped and Sidious letting them win? They could.

Lord Stark
Originally posted by Darth Thor
Well you were so happy to have Maul stomped and humiliated like that, but what did you expect the follow up debates involving Kenobi to be like?

You can't have your cake and eat it. Kenobi's always going to be in a Dooku/Mace tier from now onwards.

That's because Maul is trash. Maul got similarly humiliated by Kanan, does that now mean Kanan is Dooku/Mace tier? Of course not that's absurd.

ares834
Originally posted by MythLord
You mean amped and Sidious letting them win? They could.

yes

cs_zoltan
Originally posted by Lord Stark
That's because Maul is trash. Maul got similarly humiliated by Kanan, does that now mean Kanan is Dooku/Mace tier? Of course not that's absurd.

That was oneness. Maul is still tier 8. Which makes Kenobi tier 9 smile

Darth Thor
Originally posted by Lord Stark
That's because Maul is trash. Maul got similarly humiliated by Kanan, does that now mean Kanan is Dooku/Mace tier? Of course not that's absurd.


It's almost as bad if Rebels has just been plain bad to the character.

Anyway Kanan's been said to have had a Force amp. Ergo why he performed better than Ahsoka against Maul.

But yeah I agree Kanan's victory puts a big dent over Kenobi's victory. However had this fight gone better for Maul then the Kanan thing would have been written off by most people as a One-off.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by MythLord
You mean amped and Sidious letting them win? They could.
to be fair, per the new junior "novel", windu was able to "Hold his own vs sidious" prior to when the others were amped.

McP
Maul was unstable, half-mad paranoiac. He was broken by Sidious two times, and became much less then he once was.
Kenobi was calm and ready for Maul. He tricked him. That doesn't prove anything, especially not, that Kenobi is ">" or "=" Mace. Ahsoka, Maul's equal or marginally superior, couldn't defeat Vader. If Ben can stomp people of Maul's and Ahsoka's caliber, he should beat Vader comfortably. But he can't.

The fact is, that OM Maul is very unstable character, and that led him to his death.

Rockydonovang
Originally posted by McP
Maul was unstable, half-mad paranoiac. He was broken by Sidious two times, and became much less then he once was.
Kenobi was calm and ready for Maul. He tricked him. That doesn't prove anything, especially not, that Kenobi is ">" or "=" Mace. Ahsoka, Maul's equal or marginally superior, couldn't defeat Vader. If Ben can stomp people of Maul's and Ahsoka's caliber, he should beat Vader comfortably. But he can't.

The fact is, that OM Maul is very unstable character, and that led him to his death.

Kenobi having better emotional control and being able to anticipate maul when they were sizing maul up makes him the better fighter.

And no, there's no reason to think this isn't maul in his prime. Feloni and co partially attribute the shortness of the fight compared to their previous tcw encounters to how good they were as duelists.

Off course the video should make clear that kenobi "stomping" maul wasn't because he was miles better, but kenobi's victory here is perfectly valid and absolutely can be used to argue in favor of his chances vs tano or an improved chance vs folks like dooku/mace

Furthermore kenobi being both more powerful from his rots incarnation and at a minimum more skilled than his tcw incarnation both make it possible that he's surpassed dudes who were above him as of rots. And him being a better fighter(even if marginally so) than a more powerful and more skilled version of maul certainly is a point in his favor.

Darth Thor
^ True say.

Geistalt
Originally posted by MythLord
Sidious letting them win? They could. I mean, sure; they might be able to do it unamped if Palps cranks it down a few notches.

Rockydonovang
What do people make of mace grounding Kar vastor' force chokes?

Lord Stark
Originally posted by Darth Thor
It's almost as bad if Rebels has just been plain bad to the character.

Not really. I've argued for years that Kenobi is simply superior to Maul as a duelist. I thought this was obvious when the time we see a focused Obi-Wan vs. Maul he demolishes him even with Savage as back up. For years people have been like 'no its a one-off' or 'Kenobi had the advantage' when Filoni flat out says it wasn't a draw and that Kenobi is a skilled warrior and focuses more so after Adi's death. Kenobi has always been above Maul from TCWs on. Its nice to have that opinion vindicated.



Sure, but Maul apparently would have benefited from that DS nexus as well.



*shrug* This changes nothing for me. I've always thought Kenobi is stronger than Maul. I also think this idea that 'they're both super skilled that's why it was so fast' is kind blatantly contradicted by canon. Consider Anakin vs. Obi-Wan (both extremely talented duelists who know each other better than any other fight we've seen in the mythos) is the longest fight in the entire series by far.

Obi-Wan won because he's stronger than Maul he's always been stronger than Maul since the Clone Wars.

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