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Who wins?

Kit very solidly. No more Old Master Maul vs. they're boring and he's always going to lose.

Depends on how you see Sidious vs Ben

Well Sidious's blitz of Fisto was far superior given he was simultaneously fighting Windu, after having just one shotted 2 other Council members.

Maul wins. Quit being ridiculous.

He was, after all, arguably almost as good as Kanan.

As this is logically maul in his prime, and even tpm maul was a level above, maul wrecks this

Originally posted by quanchi112
Maul wins. Quit being ridiculous. This is serious, and you will have to explain why he wins.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
As this is logically maul in his prime, and even tpm maul was a level above, maul wrecks this Kit Fisto lasted longer against Sidious. He had assist, but it was Sidious instead of Kenobi. He isn't wrecking shit.

Originally posted by Sinious
This is serious, and you will have to explain why he wins. Kit isn't amongst the elite. Sorry. He fails here.

Damn, I'm convinced.

Originally posted by Sinious
Kit Fisto lasted longer against Sidious. He had assist, but it was Sidious instead of Kenobi. He isn't wrecking shit.
As rebels recon made clear, the shortness of the fight was because they had fought each other multiple times and we're both very good fighters(presumably Moreso than their prior tcw versions who had longer duels).

Doesn't really apply here.

That might legitimately be the most retarded explanation I've ever heard. I'm not even trying to be insulting.

Originally posted by Sinious
Kit Fisto lasted longer against Sidious. He had assist, but it was Sidious instead of Kenobi. He isn't wrecking shit. Kenobi > Sidious. Moron.

Originally posted by Sinious
That might legitimately be the most retarded explanation I've ever heard. I'm not even trying to be insulting.

Originally posted by Sinious
That might legitimately be the most retarded explanation I've ever heard. I'm not even trying to be insulting.
I didn't come with the explanation did, feloni and co did.

Fisto wins

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
I didn't come with the explanation did, feloni and co did.

Which is them basically saying "we couldn't be arsed and just wanted to have Kenobi kill Maul."

Originally posted by Sinious
That might legitimately be the most retarded explanation I've ever heard. I'm not even trying to be insulting. Ok listen to me since you seem to be one of the rabid fanboy types. I hope you saw the double feature Kill Bill. We saw an extended fight with Daryl Hannah's character in a trailer. But when she finally catches up to Bill it was a much shorter duel. That doesn't mean Bill was inferior to Daryl's character. You have to grasp what is occurring and the sheer gravity, history, and depth of the situation all the characters are in as well as the circumstances.

Originally posted by carthage
Fisto wins Based on ?

Maul in a good fight

Maul, lol.

Nah, Fitso tbh.

Not in a million years

No, it would only take about 5-6 seconds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ok listen to me since you seem to be one of the rabid fanboy types. I hope you saw the double feature Kill Bill. We saw an extended fight with Daryl Hannah's character in a trailer. But when she finally catches up to Bill it was a much shorter duel. That doesn't mean Bill was inferior to Daryl's character. You have to grasp what is occurring and the sheer gravity, history, and depth of the situation all the characters are in as well as the circumstances. Yeah, I like Kill Bill. You don't have to explain any of this to me. The intentions behind the scene were clear. I am simply tired of reading/finding excuses for Maul's failures. Star Wars characters are not real sword fighters. Even average Jedi mastery grants the ability to easily deflect blaster bolts. Imagine their precognition/perception speed. The likes of Kit Fisto is on a level beyond average Jedi's comprehension. On such level, you don't go down so fast when fighting someone near your level. That is simply not how Star Wars works. Still, I'd be willing to ignore the well established laws of Star Wars fighting for someone who has never lost in this manner, but this isn't the first time Maul fails in such fashion.

Originally posted by Trocity
No, it would only take about 5-6 seconds. https://media.giphy.com/media/UcY7PCa83NBu0/giphy.gif

Originally posted by Sinious
Yeah, I like Kill Bill. You don't have to explain any of this to me. The intentions behind the scene were clear. I am simply tired of reading/finding excuses for Maul's failures. Star Wars characters are not real sword fighters. Even average Jedi mastery grants the ability to easily deflect blaster bolts. Imagine their precognition/perception speed. The likes of Kit Fisto is on a level beyond average Jedi's comprehension. On such level, you don't go down so fast when fighting someone near your level. That is simply not how Star Wars works. Still, I'd be willing to ignore the well established laws of Star Wars fighting for someone who has never lost in this manner, but this isn't the first time Maul fails in such fashion. So you are saying the Maul who took on Palpatine was the very same level at the time he took on Kenobi in the rebels era ? The creator explained the reasoning and the thiught into this brief battle. You're choosing to ignore them in favor of YOUR perception. What you don't realize is your perception will never dictate Star Wars canon. Filoni dictates what occurred and he explained it. Maul is arrogant no one is denying this but he was broken and past his prime in the rebels era.

Like I said, he consistently messes up due to his stupidity. It isn't just one case. There is no justifying his incompetence now. But seeing how you have to resort to the wankery of Palpatine himself is nice to watch.

Funny how Quan keeps quoting "the creator" now, yet argued we should ignore him when he said Vader would have killed Maul had they met.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Funny how Quan keeps quoting "the creator" now, yet argued we should ignore him when he said Vader would have killed Maul had they met.
And yet he says that we're biased, lmao

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Funny how Quan keeps quoting "the creator" now, yet argued we should ignore him when he said Vader would have killed Maul had they met. My standards have not changed. What comes into canon is entirely different than what's axed on the cutting floor. That's just his opinion on an idea but what comes to pass becomes factual information. His insight onto canon and what is fact is entirely different. You should understand that much if you had a brain that is.

Originally posted by Sinious
Like I said, he consistently messes up due to his stupidity. It isn't just one case. There is no justifying his incompetence now. But seeing how you have to resort to the wankery of Palpatine himself is nice to watch. He is a lost person and has been throughout the rebels era. He's been isolated for decades. That has a huge impact on ones psyche. By sheer force of will he still defied the empire and the rebels. He's always been arrogant and selfish to the bitter end. He's a true Sith as Kenobi was a true Jedi. Anakin was a true ***** to the end of his life.

I might actually favor Kit, to be honest. Rebels Maul is the new TCW Grievous; still slaughters the fodder, but can't take a Jedi master in a fair fight.

Maul wins. Ben is just that good uhuh

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I might actually favor Kit, to be honest. Rebels Maul is the new TCW Grievous; still slaughters the fodder, but can't take a Jedi master in a fair fight. I'm definitely seeing a discussion here. Not sure why people think this is trolling.

Maul. He demonstrated parity with Ahsoka who held her own against Vader, a feat well beyond Fisto's paygrade.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Maul. He demonstrated parity with Ahsoka who held her own against Vader, a feat well beyond Fisto's paygrade.

I'd favor Maul, but both (and Ahsoka) are 7s.

No they aren't:
"The actual duel is very short, how did you come to the conclusion it had to come this way?...(feloni) If you talk to a lot of people who sword fight, they'll tell you people who are very good don't have long fights. So that scene, its a homage to the 7th samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see a prolonged lightsaber fight. But I just never really saw the confrontation that way because to do that is to say the characters don't have growth "

The "characters don't have growth" part isn't even needed here given the context of the quote.

The quote refers both to maul and kenobi and shows both have progressed from their tcw selves.

So Ahsoka and Maul still turn fisto into fishfood

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'd favor Maul, but both (and Ahsoka) are 7s.

Originally posted by DarthAnt66
I'd favor Maul, but both (and Ahsoka) are 7s.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I might actually favor Kit, to be honest. Rebels Maul is the new TCW Grievous; still slaughters the fodder, but can't take a Jedi master in a fair fight. Based on what?

Maul clowns him.

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
No they aren't:
"The actual duel is very short, how did you come to the conclusion it had to come this way?...(feloni) If you talk to a lot of people who sword fight, they'll tell you people who are very good don't have long fights. So that scene, its a homage to the 7th samurai. I think on one level people would be excited to see a prolonged lightsaber fight. But I just never really saw the confrontation that way because to do that is to say the characters don't have growth "

The "characters don't have growth" part isn't even needed here given the context of the quote.

The quote refers both to maul and kenobi and shows both have progressed from their tcw selves.

So Ahsoka and Maul still turn fisto into fishfood

Maul and ahsoka aren't 7's.. Fisto gets stomped

It doesn't even matter if Maul is in his prime in Rebels or not, he's still shitting on Fisto.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Maul wins. Ben is just that good uhuh

Yep. Maul.

Kenobi is just that good.

Maul defeats him handily.

Here's my reasoning why Maul would win:

Kit Fisto is a Form I specialist, which is weak in single combat. Maul is a master of multiple forms, and he specialised in Form VII. A Form VII practitioner is implied to have mastered multiple forms since mastery of multiple forms is required for the study of Form VII.

Fisto does have one advantage rewarded to him by the perks of his chosen form: Shii-Cho is good with dealing against multiple opponents. This would help him immensely in combating Maul's double-bladed lightsaber, which nullifies that advantage. But I don't think it gives Fisto an advantage over Maul necessarily.

The only successful lightsaber fight Fisto had was against Grievous, and even that was because of Form I's excellence in dealing with multiple foes (Grievous employed four lightsabers). Plus Fisto had the aid of another lightsaber.

Since Fisto employed Jar-Kai duel blade fencing quite effectively alongside Form I, we can assume he had basic knowledge/study in other forms, but he is not stated in any source to have mastery or reasonable studies in any other form besides Form I. Note that the effectiveness of his application of Jar Kai was against multiple foes, which again applies to his form of choice.

A Form I specialist, no matter how skilled he is in the form, can never contend with a Form VII specialist in a pure lightsaber duel.

Therefore, Maul would exploit Form I's weakness in single combat, and Fisto would really have no response. Plus Fisto really doesn't have any throwback force abilities that could really toss up Maul.

Maul wins.

The notion that any form's weaknesses can simply never be overcome no matter how good the user is is blatantly false. Dooku, Yoda, etc. all overcame the weaknesses of their forms. Shortly after AotC, Kit Fisto humbled Obi-Wan in a spar, and Obi-Wan was using Ataru, a form which is built around single combat with another lightsaber duelist.

Sorry, I meant that Form I is extremely weak against Form VII in general. I doubt Kit Fisto was so advanced as to nullify this weakness against Maul.

You are correct though, I'm typing all my points up pretty quickly since I'm at TAFE. For example Yoda used Ataru as his main form and still pwned Dooku, despite Dooku not only having experience vsing Yoda alongside Dooku claiming to know every weakness of the form.

I'd say Form I is more directly countered by Form II, but you're right in that Form VII has some sort of edge over Form I in single combat at least.

Not only because Form I has an inherent weakness in one on one combat, but because a Form VII specialist has at least mastered two other forms in order to study Form VII.

Plus Form VII is the only form that is theorised to be able to break a Form III master's lightsaber defenses.

Fisto only beat grevious when he was injured btw
Prior to that it took fisto+nadhar vebb "giving it all they had" to "hold off grevious" despite being hindered by the enviroment they fought in

I'd check this out:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/wollfmyth209/blog/star-wars-misconceptions-kit-fisto-vs-general-grie/129533/

Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Fisto only beat grevious when he was injured btw
Prior to that it took fisto+nadhar vebb "giving it all they had" to "hold off grevious" despite being hindered by the enviroment they fought in

I'd check this out:
http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/wollfmyth209/blog/star-wars-misconceptions-kit-fisto-vs-general-grie/129533/

True. Maul wins I think.

Originally posted by samappo
True. Maul wrecks obviously.

Lmfao