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At the end of time, to be fair to Trapper.

Hourman > Ion > TT.

Hourman wins. Lol

Is it still canon that TT is SBP or was that time line eradjcated??

Originally posted by operator616
Hourman > Ion > TT.

I don't know, the Parallax/Ion power completely remade the universe/multiverse. Ion told.Spectre he could change history without any side effects or paradox's, because he can control ALL the strings, and Spectre didn't disagree with him (Only told him he "should not do that".)

Hard to think of anything Hourman can do that Ion can't.

At the time, Parallax was also wielding residual energies that he absorbed from the events of COIE:
http://i.imgur.com/TzsVNOQ.jpg

IOW, the feats he preformed during 'Zero Hour' are not indicative of what the Central Battery's power *alone* is capable of... Like you said, though: Kyle/Ion did state that he could alter the universal timestream(past, present, or future) any way he wanted, and there would be no repercussions:
http://i.imgur.com/vW2tRmh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uz6g5WM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/GzHPVf8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P8csHEV.jpg
...And given that Spectre actually agreed with this assertion, we know it wasn't hyperbole. ie. Kyle's power was definitely universal in scope. However, he lacks the quantifiable feats to gauge just how extensive his depth of power(ie. his fine-tuned/precision control over the facets of reality) actually was.


An incomplete Worlogog, however, was used by Extant to both effortlessly destroy AND create an entire working universe ex nihilo, in the space of a single page -- and that universe threatened to destroy the primary DC continuum by spiraling backward through the barriers of time:
http://i.imgur.com/gYMI0Z6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/p1dctyg.jpg

It was also implied that Extant could have created more universes, had he chosen to:
http://i.imgur.com/JIql3nw.jpg

In fact, the universe Extant created was actually a full-scale replica of the mainstream DCU, as the 'gog is a working model of the ENTIRE spacetime continuum(from big bang to omega point), and as such, could quite literally do anything its user imagined:
http://i.imgur.com/ygYKANU.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DBTiERM.jpg

Proof the 'gog was incomplete at the time:
http://i.imgur.com/I8glo2b.jpg

An incomplete 'gog was also used to freeze the cumulative energies of a universal big bang forever in time:
http://i.imgur.com/witosac.jpg


**Also keep in mind that the above instances do not represent all of the Worlogog's high-end feats. Darkseid also used it(in the guise of the Philosopher's Stone) to create a full-scale universe in his own image, during the 'Rock of Ages' arc.


Almost as importantly: the 'gog gives its user *true* omniscience(something a CB-wielder sorely lacks, lol):
http://i.imgur.com/OWDvKwR.jpg

Furthermore, the fact that Hourman initially 'hid' the 'gog amongst every universe in the multiverse implies that it is, in fact, a multiversal artifact:
http://i.imgur.com/zOyGqSk.jpg

And for the record: the 'gog gives its user automatic upgrades, which essentially enables them to master it, nigh-instantly:
http://i.imgur.com/T0YScqn.jpg
*That's how/why Extant, for example, was able to casually preform such high-end/extremely intricate feats immediately after he first acquired the 'gog. So even if Hourman hadn't spent YEARS studying/mastering the 'gog alongside Metron(its creator), Extant's feats would still be within his ability to duplicate.



Tbh, the Worlogog is vastly superior to the energies of the CB alone. Hell, I would even put it above the likes of ZH Parallax as well, given that its ability to both comprehend AND precisely control the whole of spacetime is FAR superior to Hal's overall. Imo.

Originally posted by operator616
Hourman > Ion > TT.

Whether or not the CB is capable of Ion's feats is irrelevant here, since the OP seems to specify classic ION.

Eh, wut?

Classic Ion absorbed the CB's energies in their entirety -- so that power is obviously very relevant to the discussion.

He absorbed the CPB + Oblivion persona.

Not so sure if the CPB also had the chronal energies Hal stole from Trapper, but he clearly had massive time warping powers.

Oblivion was ultimately just a portion of Kyle's own being, though, so it wouldn't really be considered an 'amp', per se. And in answer to your other question: the CPB only houses the energies of the green/will spectrum. The additional exotic power(s) that Parallax wielded during 'Zero Hour' were entirely separate from those of the CPB.

That said, the CPB is still a full-fledged universal force, so a wielder in full control of its cumulative energies is indeed capable of manipulating time/space on a universal scale. This has been reiterated a few times -- most recently during the events of 'Darkseid War', wherein Hal became the 'God of Light':
http://i.imgur.com/21QEYp2m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/fgjG3fdm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/JlhFIvYm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/OsoLJ8nm.jpg

Haven't read up that far in DSW yet.

But am I wrong in seeing this as a ripoff of the Marvel Death Seed stuff?

Yeah, it's a lot different tbh.

In a nutshell: a Motherbox merged itself with the GL CPB, creating a 'Mother Ring'. Later in the story Hal ends up merging with the 'Mother Ring', endowing him with both the ultimate knowledge gleaned from the Motherbox, AND the ultimate power gleaned from the CPB... This transformed him into a literal God, whose power certainly seemed like it was relatively unbounded. Hal ultimately realized mortals were not meant to wield that type of power, so he willed the Mother Ring to destroy itself.

That said, I only posted those scans because they further show us what the CPB-power is capable of. Like I mentioned earlier, they are undoubtedly fully universal.