Originally posted by quanchi112
I have always maintained this you are the one not grasping what I've stated from the beginning.
Kek, no you haven't. You've given excuse after excuse and constantly fail to acknowledge Kenobi's clear superiority.
So you believe his power was enough to actually take on the Pub and the Confederacy and even give them a relatively good fight?
The context in which Palpatine says 'rival' isn't clear-cut, but there definitely are a couple of things we can dismiss quickly:
1. He very evidently did not mean 'rival' in terms of combative prowess, so you saying 'my take on rival is arguable' is complete bullshit. It's not arguable.
2. We know for a fact he was no match for Sidious' in terms of armies, followers, influence, contacts or even to the RoT.
And sure, Sidious realized Maul was beginning to amass considerable support in a short period of time, so he obviously thought he'd need to remove him before he aquired even more resources. However, your fanboyism drives you to overestimate the word 'rival'.
Let's look at facts:
1. Maul was kidnapped and trained as the ultimate tool for Sidious, a purpose in which he was successful until a Jedi Padawan cut him in half and ruined his life.
2. He spent years traumatized and completely deranged in a desolate planet, eating what he could find and barely surviving. If it weren't for his brother and Talzin, btw, he would've probably remained there forever. So, starting from this point, Maul had definitely a shitload of help, without which he would've never been able to accomplish what he accomplished afterwards.
3. After Savage took him to Talzin and she 'revived' him, he confronts Kenobi along with his brother and he managed to let Kenobi escape again, with the help of a lesser Force user.
4. When Maul actually faced off against Kenobi for the second time, he ended up being spaced by him and almost dying again, along with his brother.
5. When he finally was beginning to become someone relevant again, in comes Sidious, who crushes his dreams into oblivion and kills the only person in the galaxy he actually cared about.
6. He manages to escape Sidious' grasp only to become a shell of what he once was, become broken and lost and finally die in the hands of his eternal rival in just three moves.
7. A dog managed to get the better of him.
8. A blinded, lesser Force user managed to get the better of him.
Now, you criticize Vader for failing in spite of being 'backed up by Sidious'. Are you conveniently forgetting Maul also had the backing of Sidious for decades and also failed...? Of course you are.
We were never debating this, stupid.
The fact that he wasn't petty and selfish at the point of his death , is irrelevant. His whole life as a Sith was spent being petty and selfish. Like most Sith. Which was exactly my point.
Uh, when did I ever mention a death scene and what led to it?
This is sooo far off my original point, it's honestly hard to fathom your level of stupidity at this point. Unless you're deviating from my original point on purpose because you've no argument against it, which is also quite enjoyable for me. Win-win.
Oh my ****ing God. It's just impossible for you to move on, isn't it? 'Frailer and older' does not equate to 'not being in a good shape' to you? ****ing make up your mind already.
Comparing Maul to Yoda in terms of physical capabilites is frankly retarded. Yoda does indeed need a cane. He's ****ing 900 years old. Yet he fights like a demon. He's equal to Sidious. So even if Maul is 'frail', as you put it, how truly relevant is it whe someone like Yoda can fight on par with Sidious? Of course, Yoda >> Maul in terms of everything, but the point is he uses the Force very well to compensate his fragile physical state, and as seen in his fight scenes in S2, Maul does too. Either way, he's no where near as frail as Yoda, so dull comparison.
Oh, I almost forgot. You still haven't provided any evidence that shows Maul was way more dependent on his physicality than Obi-Wan. Still waiting.
Do you realize that by being the director and executive producer of Rebels he has actually worked on it, or has your stupidity crossed the line this time? What ****ing hypothetical matchup are you even referring to??
This exact same logic can be used against you whenever you decide to completely ignore Filoni's take on any SW matter he worked on. Being hypocritical is clearly one of your favorite hobbies.
It's still his opinion and not a factual statement.
So either use an actual viable source or move on. Or do you fail to comprehend that it being non-Canon makes it irrelevant in a debate?
A third worlder who's kicked your ass countless times in debates, is smarter than you, more objective, less salty and idiotic and better looking.
The evidence I'm interested in is the one that unquestionably demonstrates that the gap in combative prowess between TPM/TCW Maul and Rebels Maul is as significant as you claim.
Again, familiarity can only take you so far, not as far as taking down your opponent in three moves because you're familiar with him, lmao.
Again, whilst broken and lost he was able to put up great fights in S2.
And you didn't answer my question. What else you got? Because both of those arguments have been refuted and you just keep on recycling them.
Sure, kiddo. Whatever you say.
No, you've phrased your arguments in different ways every single time I refute them, KEK.
Filoni also stated other stuff that clearly indicate Kenobi >> Maul, not just because he was 'broken and lost'. Do you conveniently choose to ignore them, or..?
Maul was also 'empowered' by emotions when he got owned by Kenobi, then. Same logic. Are you so stupid?
Maul made Kenobi flee a scenario in which he was nowhere near a good physical state due to the beating Maul and Savage gave him before, so not a clean 1v1 situation you can rely on, lol.
The second time they met Kenobi fought both brothers simultaneously and was able to give them a hell of a fight. So, no.
What does Jinn have to do with anything?
My Maul hate? The most apparent characteristic of anyone on this forum is your incredible Maul fanboyism.
. I don't mind Maul's death either (granted, I would've kept Maul around another season and had him killed off by Vader instead). My issue is that the entire episode didn't really feel like it served any purpose to flesh out the larger narrative. As the OP pointed out, it felt like the writers were simply trying to tie up loose ends. As if they had no idea what to do with Maul's character.