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Thor post Unworthy Thor mini, so he has his confidence and no longer feels he needs Mjolnir to be Thor. Standard Cho, who wins?

Cho.

Cho stomps tbh.

What has Cho done, is he better than Banner? I don't know him at all.

Thor has comparable strength, and is more versatile on top of being a better fighter.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
What has Cho done, is he better than Banner? I don't know him at all.

Overpowered 15 to 20 beings that was She Hulk. Shook Earth. Punched beings across the planet and has outright been said to be the most powerful being on Earth.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Thor has comparable strength, and is more versatile on top of being a better fighter.

No, they don't.

Originally posted by carver9
No, they don't.

https://media.giphy.com/media/Uuj2gEGqbVQFq/giphy.gif

Originally posted by carver9
Overpowered 15 to 20 beings that was She Hulk. Shook Earth. Punched beings across the planet and has outright been said to be the most powerful being on Earth.

What? What's so great about over powering She Hulk? Thor hit the Black Order through the Collector's (at least part of it anyways) vessel, which is said to be the size of a solar system.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
What? What's so great about over powering She Hulk? Thor hit the Black Order through the Collector's (at least part of it anyways) vessel, which is said to be the size of a solar system.

A GANG of She Hulk's, not just she Hulk and then he shook the eastern sea board right after. How strong is the black order because they have to be pretty got darn strong for you to compare them to the strongest being in Marvel.

Thor one shot actual characters with feats, he shoots Cho across the planet.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor one shot actual characters with feats, he shoots Cho across the planet.

Who did he one shot?

Cho gets one-shot by a bomb. Luckily, Ms MArvel is the first to wake up.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1Se13mBRX0I/WK253F7xRII/AAAAAAACBp4/g7skUGA-s2Qwi5jXF6i9KYwyV-dGkyzbACLcB/s1600/33_09.jpg

Cho vs random Atlanteans:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-SKVnj-A3dn4/WG0GYTPKFaI/AAAAAAABdZ0/ouIm-JbLIe0vEMYBTPPHVbIyQyI6unyKACLcB/s1600/09_10.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Who did he one shot?

Black Swan, Proxima Midnight, Hela and the Collector.

http://i.imgur.com/AbZIDP8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tKxIVNV.jpg

I'm convinced that Hulk has become a comic best suited to 6 year olds.

Thor, meanwhile, stomps.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Black Swan, Proxima Midnight, Hela and the Collector.

http://i.imgur.com/AbZIDP8.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/tKxIVNV.jpg


for one none of them are on Hulk level durability wise. 2. They sat there and let him charge up the attack. Hulk AND Cho is one of the most aggressive fighters in comics. That ain't happening.

Odinson sneezes and Cho gets fried.

Originally posted by carver9
for one none of them are on Hulk level durability wise. 2. They sat there and let him charge up the attack. Hulk AND Cho is one of the most aggressive fighters in comics. That ain't happening.

It was almost literally Thor swinging his arms lol. He can do it more than once if need be. Or chop his head off with Jarnbjorn.

Originally posted by carver9
for one none of them are on Hulk level durability wise. 2. They sat there and let him charge up the attack. Hulk AND Cho is one of the most aggressive fighters in comics. That ain't happening.

Wat? There's essentially no charge at all, Cho doesn't look all that aggressive to me. He looks like a nerd in Hulk's body. Plus, like mentioned above Thor has Jarnbjorn for close encounters.

Originally posted by carver9
for one none of them are on Hulk level durability wise. 2. They sat there and let him charge up the attack. Hulk AND Cho is one of the most aggressive fighters in comics. That ain't happening.

Carver world. Where the most feared lieutenants of a galactic tyrant obsessed with death....are less aggressive than a teenage Korean boy.

Originally posted by Damborgson
It was almost literally Thor swinging his arms lol. He can do it more than once if need be. Or chop his head off with Jarnbjorn.

I'm seeing a charge and Hulk would probably dodge it. We're they knocked out?

Lol, I'm surprised at all of this that I'm reading. I don't think you are factoring in Cho fighting back. We know how this would go in a comic.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm seeing a charge and Hulk would probably dodge it. We're they knocked out?

Lol, I'm surprised at all of this that I'm reading. I don't think you are factoring in Cho fighting back. We know how this would go in a comic.

What do you think would happen if Thor punched Cho, instead of striking the ground with his charged fist, IYO?

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
What do you think would happen if Thor punched Cho, instead of striking the ground with his charged fist, IYO?

It'll amp Cho who has been showing Green Scar capabilities.

Like in my scans?

Originally posted by carver9
It'll amp Cho who has been showing Green Scar capabilities.

Eh? How would it amp him, that wouldn't amp Green Scar.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Eh? How would it amp him, that wouldn't amp Green Scar.

Thor punches him, Cho gets angry and becomes more powerful. His amping abilities has been some of the best showings for Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Thor punches him, Cho gets angry and becomes more powerful. His amping abilities has been some of the best showings for Hulk.

Or, it'd launch him into orbit.

How angry can Cho get?

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-IsP3XsBG3eI/WK253Ga1F9I/AAAAAAACBp0/jF6YYI8EA3Uv4KtA6n_FgRLiVPAIQPPKgCLcB/s1600/33_11.jpg

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Or, it'd launch him into orbit.

Scans of Worthy Thor launching anyone into orbit. I can show Cho doing it though. Then Cho has been showing speed far greater than Worthy Thor.

We take average showings here, Carver.

So I have ALREADY shown several showings of Cho NOT operating anywhere near the levels you are claiming.

Remember, Cho Hulk hasn't been around that long.

So showings carry more weight. If I have two characters, one with 1000 showings and one with 10 showings, the 10 showing guy's 2 low showings are much more important than the 1000 guy's 10 low showings.

Cho has Hulks ridiculous piercing resistance but it's almost pointless here because the moment this becomes a close encounter (Which it will) Thor can one-shot Cho if he hits a lethal area or cut off limbs.

The axe being able to cut through basically anything makes Thor, even unworthy, a really unfair fight in hand to hand unless the opponent is either noticeably faster or has some version of a force field going on.

Even if Cho was twice as strong I'd give Thor the advantage here, but he's not, with Thor still having his massive high herald stats ontop of his weather powers. He easily got rid of Proxima Midnight, Black Swan and Hela with a stomp of his hand. Two of those characters have been very competitive with herald level characters and one is a flat out Trans if not higher depending on her power level.

https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kn-m6nco-uc/WBDFCBYsOqI/AAAAAAAAjMw/7rfFMW3ws3kMwBUmO5UrgOyXetwTgny3gCLcB/s1600/42_18.jpg

Good thread.

Lol, Chulk jobs so badly?

It seems like his fight vs. OML was his highest showing ever.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm seeing a charge and Hulk would probably dodge it. We're they knocked out?

Lol, I'm surprised at all of this that I'm reading. I don't think you are factoring in Cho fighting back. We know how this would go in a comic.

As much as of a charge as Hulks raised fist would be.

And its lightning. Hulk would be lucky if he perceived it at all, he is most certainly not dodging something that fast

Good thing we're on the battle boards then. Thor didn't beat fodder, he beat several powerful villains in a single attack, and his Axe would bite hard into Hulk, he did some damage to the destroyer, it would slice off body parts with a hard enough swing.

Originally posted by carver9
Scans of Worthy Thor launching anyone into orbit. I can show Cho doing it though. Then Cho has been showing speed far greater than Worthy Thor.


He's not faster than lightning, and certainly not so fast it will be a major factor, even if he were faster which I dont think he is.

Thor. If we're being honest.

I hate Hulk vs Thor threads

Edit: Also the last i checked(I stopped reading Cho Hulk at issue 9) he wasn't that pathetic as DS is showing. Wtf happened? Cho Hulk acts like a damn cartoon character

Not sure why Carver is making it seem like one-shotting a group consisting of Proxima Midnight, Black Swan, and Hela is a nothing feat.
Odinson also treated the Collector like a weak feeb twice who has busted Avengers teams.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/20.jpg

The second time he literally ragdolled him.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/8.jpg


Proxima owns Hulk.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UJqahxX9Atw/Upa_44IRyJI/AAAAAAAAuxA/yDQEBZwiZL0/s1600/-016+copy.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K2LRJPrynBw/Upa_5OX0tmI/AAAAAAAAuxE/rOLJ2WOgQ68/s1600/-017+copy.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZVE3ap3n0w/Upa_6ofjrKI/AAAAAAAAuxg/hevWcugdLys/s1600/-021+copy.jpg

Proxima owns Spectrum.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/9.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/10.jpg

Black Swan held her own against Thors in Secret Wars.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/secret-wars/4/14.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/secret-wars/4/19.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/secret-wars/4/21.jpg

She also faced off against Bill in Unworthy Thor.

Oh and a properly written Hela is usually above these characters even a in a depowered state.
Hela owns Black Swan and proceeds to annihilate Proxima Midnight.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/12.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/13.jpg

Originally posted by carver9
Scans of Worthy Thor launching anyone into orbit. I can show Cho doing it though.
Show scans.

Btw pretty sure punching someone clear through the earth is in orders of magnitude greater than sending someone into the upper atmosphere.
http://i.imgur.com/L1N5PUP.jpg

Woah, nice one Cely. The art was so horrific I skipped over it but that's a good feat

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure why Carver is making it seem like one-shotting a group consisting of Proxima Midnight, Black Swan, and Hela is a nothing feat.
Odinson also treated the Collector like a weak feeb twice who has busted Avengers teams.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/20.jpg

The second time he literally ragdolled him.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/8.jpg


Proxima owns Hulk.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UJqahxX9Atw/Upa_44IRyJI/AAAAAAAAuxA/yDQEBZwiZL0/s1600/-016+copy.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K2LRJPrynBw/Upa_5OX0tmI/AAAAAAAAuxE/rOLJ2WOgQ68/s1600/-017+copy.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZVE3ap3n0w/Upa_6ofjrKI/AAAAAAAAuxg/hevWcugdLys/s1600/-021+copy.jpg

Proxima owns Spectrum.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/9.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/10.jpg

Black Swan held her own against Thors in Secret Wars.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/secret-wars/4/14.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/secret-wars/4/19.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/secret-wars/4/21.jpg

She also faced off against Bill in Unworthy Thor.

Oh and a properly written Hela is usually above these characters even a in a depowered state.
Hela owns Black Swan and proceeds to annihilate Proxima Midnight.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/12.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/13.jpg


Show scans.

Btw pretty sure punching someone clear through the earth is in orders of magnitude greater than sending someone into the upper atmosphere.
http://i.imgur.com/L1N5PUP.jpg Jesus f*ck that art work....

That's an awesome feat.

Proxima owned Hulk by putting a sun on him. She did nothing of the sort against Thor and stood there in one spot for him to attack. She would not have done this against Hulk because he would've punched her head clean off. She poisoned Spectrum. Don't know why you keep bringing up these tactics when you know Proxima didn't fight Thor anywhere close to the way she fought Hulk and Spectrum.

I can post Thor getting one shot koed by beings Hulk has taken out with a couple of hits.

Cho Hulk? Or are you mixing feats, dear carvster?

I mean, he's not Superman. You don't get to share feats.

Originally posted by carver9
Proxima owned Hulk by putting a sun on him. She did nothing of the sort against Thor and stood there in one spot for him to attack. She would not have done this against Hulk because he would've punched her head clean off. She poisoned Spectrum. Don't know why you keep bringing up these tactics when you know Proxima didn't fight Thor anywhere close to the way she fought Hulk and Spectrum.

I can post Thor getting one shot koed by beings Hulk has taken out with a couple of hits.
But Carver... She did. In an earlier encounter, Proxima went toe to toe against Odinson, and still got her @$$ handed to her. This is before he went solar system lightning on the group.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/9.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/13.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/14.jpg

And just for the lulz, on an even earlier encounter this is his face tanking a shot from her spear.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/3/14.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/3/15.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/3/16.jpg

These aren't tactics Carv. No lowballing, no nothing. I'm just trying to let you understand that your dismissal of Thor one shotting that group is misplaced.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17

http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/13.jpg


So the hel hound knew that was Hela? How did I miss that the 1st time. Y didn't it make mention of it to Thor?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
So the hel hound knew that was Hela? How did I miss that the 1st time. Y didn't it make mention of it to Thor?
Thori(Helhound) is a condescending prick. It's in his character to be a straight @$$hole.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Thori(Helhound) is a condescending prick. It's in his character to be a straight @$$hole.

I know. But I had glossed over their fight the first time I read it. I'm kinda wondering where Odinson goes next. Since he's not getting the U hammer and another Thor character is joining the scene. I hope he isn't written off. Or they aren't bringing Masterson back

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I know. But I had glossed over their fight the first time I read it. I'm kinda wondering where Odinson goes next. Since he's not getting the U hammer and another Thor character is joining the scene. I hope he isn't written off. Or they aren't bringing Masterson back
He'll be Odinson for much longer. Probably for another year, up until his movie comes out. Marvel loves to somewhat mirror their movies to current goings on in their comics and vise versa. Iirc, the upcoming movie will have him with short hair and Mjolnirless.

And as for the character who picked up Ultimate Mjolnir and becomes "War Thor", I already have a theory. I'm 99.9% sure I've guessed the right one again. I'm patting myself on the back because I guessed Jane from the get go last time.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
But Carver... She did. In an earlier encounter, Proxima went toe to toe against Odinson, and still got her @$$ handed to her. This is before he went solar system lightning on the group.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/9.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/13.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/14.jpg

And just for the lulz, on an even earlier encounter this is his face tanking a shot from her spear.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/3/14.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/3/15.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/3/16.jpg

These aren't tactics Carv. No lowballing, no nothing. I'm just trying to let you understand that your dismissal of Thor one shotting that group is misplaced.

That was a fight they were having though. Proxima and Thor and it went completely different than her encounter with Hulk. Hulk jumps at her and she throws her spear...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4144445-9924236417-Hulk_.jpg

That's it. If she would've went h2h with him, the results would've been completely different. She actually want fist cuff with Thor. Do you get it now?

Originally posted by carver9
That was a fight they were having though. Proxima and Thor and it went completely different than her encounter with Hulk. Hulk jumps at her and she throws her spear...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4144445-9924236417-Hulk_.jpg

That's it. If she would've went h2h with him, the results would've been completely different. She actually want fist cuff with Thor. Do you get it now?
Christ Carver....
I already showed you Proxima fighting Thor one on one just to appease you(as if his one shot of the group isn't enough). Hell I even showed you how his face tanked her spear. Now you're asking for something that exactly mirrors her fight with Hulk panel by panel? Goalposts much? You just pulled off an Abhi move like asking for scans where Thor has to break wrists just to prove that he can hang with New 52 Doomsday. Come on maaaaan....

What do carvers scans have to do with CHO???

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Christ Carver....
I already showed you Proxima fighting Thor one on one just to appease you(as if his one shot of the group isn't enough). Hell I even showed you how his face tanked her spear. Now you're asking for something that exactly mirrors her fight with Hulk panel by panel? Goalposts much? You just pulled off an Abhi move like asking for scans where Thor has to break wrists just to prove that he can hang with New 52 Doomsday. Come on maaaaan....

Vector defeated Thor by blasting him with a gust of wind, does that mean he can beat Thor in a fist cuff match? I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Hulk jumps at her and she throws a sun at him. There was no exchange of blows like she did against Thor. She did not throw her spear at Thor either because he wouldn't have dodged it (Spectrum) and he sure as hell wouldn't withstand a sun on his back. It's like saying Luke Cage is more powerful than Hulk since he had a long fight with her whereas she one paneled Hulk...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111225301/4686085-3492319-cage%2Bvs%2Bproxima%2Bmidnight+%281%29.jpg

At one point he was crushing her. Are you going to sit here and tell me that Luke Cage is more powerful than Hulk as well? You do know that Proxima took out Hyperion, Captain America and Captain Marvel as well? With one single ground spear smash. Let me guess. Luke Cage and Thor are above them as well? When Proxima goes fist cuff, she isn't a Hulk, sorry. You can keep throwing out there that she beat Hulk and the Avengers but make sure you bring out the context of those fights. Desperation is a terrible way to debate.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He'll be Odinson for much longer. Probably for another year, up until his movie comes out. Marvel loves to somewhat mirror their movies to current goings on in their comics and vise versa. Iirc, the upcoming movie will have him with short hair and Mjolnirless.

And as for the character who picked up Ultimate Mjolnir and becomes "War Thor", I already have a theory. I'm 99.9% sure I've guessed the right one again. I'm patting myself on the back because I guessed Jane from the get go last time.



Don't leave me in suspense!! Lol

War Thor is going to be Nick Fury.

Originally posted by carver9
That was a fight they were having though. Proxima and Thor and it went completely different than her encounter with Hulk. Hulk jumps at her and she throws her spear...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11113/111138490/4144445-9924236417-Hulk_.jpg

That's it. If she would've went h2h with him, the results would've been completely different. She actually want fist cuff with Thor. Do you get it now?




So we get to judge characters' victories against same opponents based on how much versatility that character used? Then I discount, every victory Hulk has had against Thor in which he didn't use something more than lightning. Now Hulk doesn't have any victories

Not that you bringing up Banner to help Cho has ant relevency here.

FYI Proxima did try and net Thor, he blocked it.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
War Thor is going to be Nick Fury.

God no. I hope not

So we all agree that Thor wins? Cool.

When it comes to fighting Hulk, Thor will always find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Thor can't win anything. Ulik raped his dirty butt, Ulik, same troll who almost died because of a bullet.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
God no. I hope not

It will be, Mark your calander.

Nick fury's entire history will be retconned as odin in disguise.

Originally posted by carver9
Vector defeated Thor by blasting him with a gust of wind, does that mean he can beat Thor in a fist cuff match? I shouldn't have to explain this to you. Hulk jumps at her and she throws a sun at him. There was no exchange of blows like she did against Thor. She did not throw her spear at Thor either because he wouldn't have dodged it (Spectrum) and he sure as hell wouldn't withstand a sun on his back. It's like saying Luke Cage is more powerful than Hulk since he had a long fight with her whereas she one paneled Hulk...


https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11122/111225301/4686085-3492319-cage%2Bvs%2Bproxima%2Bmidnight+%281%29.jpg

At one point he was crushing her. Are you going to sit here and tell me that Luke Cage is more powerful than Hulk as well? You do know that Proxima took out Hyperion, Captain America and Captain Marvel as well? With one single ground spear smash. Let me guess. Luke Cage and Thor are above them as well? When Proxima goes fist cuff, she isn't a Hulk, sorry. You can keep throwing out there that she beat Hulk and the Avengers but make sure you bring out the context of those fights. Desperation is a terrible way to debate.
facepalm

You do know why I posted showings for Proxima, Swan, and Hela in the first place don't you? It's not about lowballing or anything of that sort. It just so happens one of them(Proxima) had a an encounter with a Hulk already.
These 3 actually have feats that show their capability to hang with very powerful opponents.

Also he wouldn't need to dodge the spear. He can parry with his black uru arm(which he did), parry with Jarnbjorn(which he did), or eat one on his face(which he did).

And not sure why you're talking about Vector and asking me whether Proxima is above the likes of Hype and Hulk.. Or claiming that I constantly throw out there how she beats Hulk and Avengers. Those are silly points you're trying to throw out there.

Here's more on that fight with Cage and PM. Together they were causing shockwaves. She's hardly a lightweight.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/13.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/14.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/15.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/16.jpg

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Don't leave me in suspense!! Lol
Only if you read the whole series and give me your theory first.

Nice post about how Thor loses

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
facepalm

You do know why I posted showings for Proxima, Swan, and Hela in the first place don't you? It's not about lowballing or anything of that sort. It just so happens one of them(Proxima) had a an encounter with a Hulk already.
These 3 actually have feats that show their capability to hang with very powerful opponents.

Also he wouldn't need to dodge the spear. He can parry with his black uru arm(which he did), parry with Jarnbjorn(which he did), or eat one on his face(which he did).

And not sure why you're talking about Vector and asking me whether Proxima is above the likes of Hype and Hulk.. Or claiming that I constantly throw out there how she beats Hulk and Avengers. Those are silly points you're trying to throw out there.

Here's more on that fight with Cage and PM. Together they were causing shockwaves. She's hardly a lightweight.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/13.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/14.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/15.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/16.jpg

Why are you posting her fight against Cage? Cage gave her a run, someone who isn't even comparable to Hulk. Thor had a prolong fight against her, someone that was on Luke Cage level. Thor only gained an advantage via lightning...Trying to see where you are going with this.

Originally posted by Cogito
So we all agree that Thor wins? Cool.

We know who you will NOT pick in a fight. Cool.

Originally posted by carver9
Why are you posting her fight against Cage? Cage gave her a run, someone who isn't even comparable to Hulk. Thor had a prolong fight against her, someone that was on Luke Cage level. Thor only gained an advantage via lightning...Trying to see where you are going with this.
Smh... I've been pretty clear. You are dismissing scans as if they don't have any bearing at all to the fight. You are coming up with silly arguments and even going as far as to lowball or attempt to low ball by bringing up Vector.

Why don't we simplify things. What has Cho done that would lead one to believe that he can take a majority on Odinson? Who has he beaten? Who has he fought that made him look impressive?

Originally posted by carver9
Proxima advantages are limitless compared to Grail imo.

Never forget the Carvatar.

Grail, who was utilising the Omega Effect, was corrupting ring wielders, stabbing Shazam, besting WW without bracelets in h2h, was messing with the Speed Force...

Who cares? Carver once kept the faith, and made it Proxima.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Never forget the Carvatar.

Grail, who was utilising the Omega Effect, was corrupting ring wielders, stabbing Shazam, besting WW without bracelets in h2h, was messing with the Speed Force...

Who cares? Carver once kept the faith, and made it Proxima.

When PM is about to turn Hulk into trophy, she's better than Grail, but Thor beats her ass and suddenly she's Luke Cage level.

I find it hilarious. He does the same with Imperiex Probes, and with Amazo.

In one thread, PM is the bees' knees. Has 1 shot kill haxx weapons.

Thor tanks it with his face.

Now, PM is Cage level

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
When PM is about to turn Hulk into trophy, she's better than Grail, but Thor beats her ass and suddenly she's Luke Cage level.

I never said she was physically on Grail level but she does have an attack that is a win for her. Thor and Luke Cage working Proxima doesn't have a thing to do with her plot driven power which she used during the onset of her fight against Hulk who wasn't even attacking her during the moment. My shoulders is here for you to cry on.

Darksaint is just irrelevant.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I find it hilarious. He does the same with Imperiex Probes, and with Amazo.

In one thread, PM is the bees' knees. Has 1 shot kill haxx weapons.

Thor tanks it with his face.

Now, PM is Cage level


And he's not even defending the actual hulk, just the bastardized representation of what's happened to Marvel comics.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said she was physically on Grail level

True. WAIT!

Originally posted by carver9
Do you have fts of Grail punches shaking the city like Proxima and Luke Cage fight was doing? Extremely high end showing for Cage. I would love for you to match it.

I'm a troll, apparently. But I am not the one saying these things, the Carvarbot 2000 is just feeding your own statements back at you.

Originally posted by Damborgson
And he's not even defending the actual hulk, just the bastardized representation of what's happened to Marvel comics.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/33916/4630269-onslaught_reborn_003_003.jpg

Weakest Hulk ever.

You see the handle on "Mjolnir"? That would be heroes reborn Thor.

Originally posted by carver9
I never said she was physically on Grail level
True. WAIT!


Originally posted by carver9
Do you have fts of Grail punches shaking the city like Proxima and Luke Cage fight was doing? Extremely high end showing for Cage. I would love for you to match it.


I'm a troll, apparently. But I am not the one saying these things, the Carvarbot 2000 is just feeding your own statements back at you.

Originally posted by Damborgson
You see the handle on "Mjolnir"? That would be heroes reborn Thor.

I know but those words are upsetting isn't it?

Originally posted by carver9
I know but those words are upsetting isn't it?



I'm livid.

Just realised. Am I the ONLY one who has posted Cho Hulk scans??

Looks like it.

Originally posted by Khazra Reborn
Cho doesn't look all that aggressive to me. He looks like a nerd in Hulk's body.

Let's see how Cho deals with warriors true.

I swear, I'm not even looking hard for these scans. Don't buy the hype, guys.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IJ_C9gm5X2c/VrtOIgk33KI/AAAAAAAA2FY/eauMJ3-As7o/s1600/7_14.jpg

He actually calls for a time out, IN THE MIDDLE OF A FIGHT with a guy who is trying to kill him (and is hurting him).

I agree, Logan perhaps wasn't a threat to him, hence, the timeout. Cho felt pity for him. But the point here is, that he is not always the berserker aggressive in your face brawler. He's still a kid.

Earlier in the fight:
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NN9DsrxetK4/VrtOCSNaFaI/AAAAAAAA2FE/mRO8jWSSSUM/s1600/7_09.jpg

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Smh... I've been pretty clear. You are dismissing scans as if they don't have any bearing at all to the fight. You are coming up with silly arguments and even going as far as to lowball or attempt to low ball by bringing up Vector.

Why don't we simplify things. What has Cho done that would lead one to believe that he can take a majority on Odinson? Who has he beaten? Who has he fought that made him look impressive?

What scans am I dismissing? You posted a scan of Proxima defeated Hulk without acknowledging the plot. So I posted Luke Cage working Proxima as well and using your argument it means Luke>>>>Hulk and we both know that's not the case due to Hulk having a sun on his back. Hell, she defeated Monica and Hyperion and it was all plot driven. Something she did not use against Thor or Luke.

I already named what Cho did. Let's put it like this...the fts that Cho have, you would praise it if it was Thor doing it.

Originally posted by carver9
What scans am I dismissing?
Of Thor one shotting 3 fairly powerful individuals that included Hela. And his manhandling of the Collector.

Originally posted by carver9

You posted a scan of Proxima defeated Hulk without acknowledging the plot. So I posted Luke Cage working Proxima as well and using your argument it means Luke>>>>Hulk and we both know that's not the case due to Hulk having a sun on his back. Hell, she defeated Monica and Hyperion and it was all plot driven. Something she did not use against Thor or Luke.

Carver...

Why would I have to describe plot or some such when I posted full scans? I didn't crop or leave out anything unlike you who made it seem like Cage beat Proxima.
And I've already given you my reason for posting background on PM, BS, and Hela. Again it was to convey to you and to others their formidability even against high level opponents.

Btw she did own Monica which is correct. She did not beat Hyperion. Get your facts straight.

Originally posted by carver9

I already named what Cho did. Let's put it like this...the fts that Cho have, you would praise it if it was Thor doing it.
So now we get down to business.
Yes I would praise it. Is it more impressive and beyond anything Odinson has done? That's a hard no.
Feat for feat he gets absolutely wrecked. I'm sorry. If that's all he's done, Cho's feats are sorely lacking.

ESPECIALLY as, and this is important....Cho doesn't have that many showings.
So his lows are also damn important.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
..Cho doesn't have that many showings.
.

He has plenry. He has his own book and champions and guest appearances. He just fights mooks

Not really. Champions is on issue 6, Totally Awesome is on issue 17. He's guest starred in Old Man Logan, maybe a couple others, so let's say he's appeared in 30 issues. Not all of them will be fights and feats, either.

So to get an average of where he's at, you cant just focus on his highs (assuming they are indeed highs, as you point out). His lows are very important as well.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Not really. Champions is on issue 6, Totally Awesome is on issue 17. He's guest starred in Old Man Logan, maybe a couple others, so let's say he's appeared in 30 issues. Not all of them will be fights and feats, either.

So to get an average of where he's at, you cant just focus on his highs (assuming they are indeed highs, as you point out). His lows are very important as well.

How many more appearances will he need then? He's headlining two books. He was in Moon Girl and Devil dinosaur. He HAS feats they just suck

He's appeared in over 50 issues. He's racked up some good feats. Sadly Carver's already mentioned half of his best ones.
Imo they fall short.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
How many more appearances will he need then? He's headlining two books. He was in Moon Girl and Devil dinosaur. He HAS feats they just suck

It's not a number of appearances.

It's the ratio.

Kingdom GoG has even fewer...but every one of the showings he had were insanely high.

If a character has 10 showings, as an example, and every showing was high, then we can say he's high.

If 2 of those showings were low ones....20% is a big drag.

If another character has 1000 showings, but also had 2 low showings....they matter less.

After all, writers don't give a phuck about power levels. So it is inevitable that Hulk will get choked out by a snake, or Superman gets a gas station explosion. Everyone has low showings, but they have so many higher that it's negated.

But with Cho, he has so few showings' overall that even with his highs, they don't out weigh his lows.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
He's appeared in over 50 issues. He's racked up some good feats. Sadly Carver's already mentioned half of his best ones.
Imo they fall short.

Carver mentioned what showings? I've read all TAH, Champions and DD and MG. He's not a fighter. He's more akin to prof hulk or nerd hulk than true hulk. Can't wait till generations when Banner and true Logan comes back.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
It's not a number of appearances.

It's the ratio.

Kingdom GoG has even fewer...but every one of the showings he had were insanely high.

If a character has 10 showings, as an example, and every showing was high, then we can say he's high.

If 2 of those showings were low ones....20% is a big drag.

If another character has 1000 showings, but also had 2 low showings....they matter less.

After all, writers don't give a phuck about power levels. So it is inevitable that Hulk will get choked out by a snake, or Superman gets a gas station explosion. Everyone has low showings, but they have so many higher that it's negated.

But with Cho, he has so few showings' overall that even with his highs, they don't out weigh his lows.

Fine saint whatever idc 👅

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Of Thor one shotting 3 fairly powerful individuals that included Hela. And his manhandling of the Collector.


Carver...

Why would I have to describe plot or some such when I posted full scans? I didn't crop or leave out anything unlike you who made it seem like Cage beat Proxima.
And I've already given you my reason for posting background on PM, BS, and Hela. Again it was to convey to you and to others their formidability even against high level opponents.

Btw she did own Monica which is correct. She did not beat Hyperion. Get your facts straight.


So now we get down to business.
Yes I would praise it. Is it more impressive and beyond anything Odinson has done? That's a hard no.
Feat for feat he gets absolutely wrecked. I'm sorry. If that's all he's done, Cho's feats are sorely lacking.

He had a prolong fight against Proxima. When they flew out if the ship, was it confirmed they were koed?

I'm just pointing out the difference in your scan and I never said Cage beat Proxima. I said Cage gave her a fight and he did whereas Proxima took Hulk out in a panel. You just forgot to say plot was involved and Hulk was attack someone else when she did it. Do you not see the difference? Do you honestly think Proxima could've fought Hulk the same way she fought Thor and did well? She would've got destroyed, and easily.

Yes, she temporarily dropped Carol, Hyperion and Cap with a ground and pound of her spear. Please read the story again.

Cho takes this.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Carver mentioned what showings? I've read all TAH, Champions and DD and MG. He's not a fighter. He's more akin to prof hulk or nerd hulk than true hulk. Can't wait till generations when Banner and true Logan comes back.



Fine saint whatever idc 👅

Your tongue is always welcome, even if your attitude isn't, my queen.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your tongue is always welcome, even if your attitude isn't, my queen.

😂😂😂

Y is carver using hulk feats for cho?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Your tongue is always welcome, even if your attitude isn't, my queen. Her butt mud covered tongue? You are a dirty man

Originally posted by iceman24567
Her butt mud covered tongue? You are a dirty man

Jelly?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Jelly? Maybe

"Broken ribs".

Bendis, stop...

http://i.imgur.com/Kebxx8L.gif

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Jelly?

Jelly would be a welcome addition.

https://media.tenor.co/images/f7a0ca3d57058b93e1abb597b9bcc30d/tenor.gif

Originally posted by carver9
He had a prolong fight against Proxima. When they flew out if the ship, was it confirmed they were koed?

I'm just pointing out the difference in your scan and I never said Cage beat Proxima. I said Cage gave her a fight and he did whereas Proxima took Hulk out in a panel. You just forgot to say plot was involved and Hulk was attack someone else when she did it. Do you not see the difference? Do you honestly think Proxima could've fought Hulk the same way she fought Thor and did well? She would've got destroyed, and easily.

Yes, she temporarily dropped Carol, Hyperion and Cap with a ground and pound of her spear. Please read the story again.

Cho takes this.
K I'm going to simplify things as best I could.

After Thor blasted the hell out of the three, Thor ragdolled The Collector away, has a conversation with Bill, teleports Asgard away, The Collector has a conversation with his last henchman, kills his last henchman. The Three were never showed again in the Collector's ship.

The trio were shown again when they came back to Thanos in utter failure.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/11.jpg
So yeah. They were one shotted by a blast that spanned a solar system.

Carver. No one is saying Proxima > Hulk. Beating Proxima, Black Swan, HeLa, and the Collector with utter ease is the point being made here.
Now let's get past Cage/Proxima.

You said earlier Proxima "beat" Hyperion because of plot. It's funny now you're characterizing it as temporarily dropped.



Let's examine. How did Proxima beat Hyperion when he's up the next panel fighting back?
Now let's set the facts straight my friend. Proxima did not beat Hyperion. Full stop.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-mkbrloJxF_w/Upa_7eNlBFI/AAAAAAAAux4/gwyUfejNVTQ/s1600/-023+copy.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-XeVm7golgPE/Upa_-Pc5W5I/AAAAAAAAuyk/bg50QzOa0O0/s1600/-029+copy.jpg


Now back to business. Who else has Cho fought that made him look impressive. Who has he beaten? Don't get me wrong. Cho is strong as phuck and has some impressive showings, but you keep dodging these two things.

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Not sure why Carver is making it seem like one-shotting a group consisting of Proxima Midnight, Black Swan, and Hela is a nothing feat.
Odinson also treated the Collector like a weak feeb twice who has busted Avengers teams.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/4/20.jpg

The second time he literally ragdolled him.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/8.jpg


Proxima owns Hulk.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-UJqahxX9Atw/Upa_44IRyJI/AAAAAAAAuxA/yDQEBZwiZL0/s1600/-016+copy.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-K2LRJPrynBw/Upa_5OX0tmI/AAAAAAAAuxE/rOLJ2WOgQ68/s1600/-017+copy.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0ZVE3ap3n0w/Upa_6ofjrKI/AAAAAAAAuxg/hevWcugdLys/s1600/-021+copy.jpg

Proxima owns Spectrum.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/9.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/mighty-avengers/2/10.jpg

Black Swan held her own against Thors in Secret Wars.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/secret-wars/4/14.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/secret-wars/4/19.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/secret-wars/4/21.jpg

She also faced off against Bill in Unworthy Thor.

Oh and a properly written Hela is usually above these characters even a in a depowered state.
Hela owns Black Swan and proceeds to annihilate Proxima Midnight.
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/12.jpg
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/the-unworthy-thor-2016/5/13.jpg


Show scans.

Btw pretty sure punching someone clear through the earth is in orders of magnitude greater than sending someone into the upper atmosphere.
http://i.imgur.com/L1N5PUP.jpg And that's relevant to lifting strength how? He used lightning against her. Proxima held down Indestructible Hulk with her spear and the weight of a star. Show me Proxima using that power on Thor and him resisting it. And Cho Hulk(whose weaker than Hulk, let alone WWH) fodderized Unworthy Thor. Proxima used her spear to keep the Hulk down with the weight of a star, she never even used that spear on Unworthy Thor. Proxima herself isn't even that strong, she got beaten in a H2H fight by Luke Cage.

Superman>WWH>>>>>>>Regular Hulk>>>>>Cho Hulk>Thor, as far as strength is concerned

Your strength rankings at the bottom is all jacked up.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor one shot actual characters with feats, he shoots Cho across the planet.

I was so naive

Didn't an enraged Cho Hulk just beat Thor?

Don't know about that.

Originally posted by Stoic
Didn't an enraged Cho Hulk just beat Thor?

Yes but even before that he beat Thor.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Don't know about that.

From what I saw, he definitely had the advantage. I mean catching him in the air slamming him into the ground and this was after eating a killer axe swing to the abdomen,

Originally posted by carver9
Yes but even before that he beat Thor.

Thor had an obedience disk on him when they fought on Sakaar. I don't count that as a victory due to being controlled.

The only thing the disk did was prevent Thor from NOT trying to fight Cho. That's it.

Hulk has always been stronger than thor tbh

Originally posted by XLR87T3
And that's relevant to lifting strength how? He used lightning against her. Proxima held down Indestructible Hulk with her spear and the weight of a star. Show me Proxima using that power on Thor and him resisting it. And Cho Hulk(whose weaker than Hulk, let alone WWH) fodderized Unworthy Thor. Proxima used her spear to keep the Hulk down with the weight of a star, she never even used that spear on Unworthy Thor. Proxima herself isn't even that strong, she got beaten in a H2H fight by Luke Cage.

Superman>WWH>>>>>>>Regular Hulk>>>>>Cho Hulk>Thor, as far as strength is concerned
Tell me again why ure bringing up lifting strength??