Starbrand vs. Starheart

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backup
Starbrand (pre-Secret Wars):

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/starbd11.gif

vs.

Starheart:

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/3/33/Starheart_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100820150619


What artifact is most powerful?

zopzop
Starheart and it's not even close.

carver9
Starbrand

Zack M
Originally posted by zopzop
Starheart and it's not even close.

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
Starbrand
How? Current Starbrand isn't even planetary level anymore. Did you see the latest Avengers issue?

Galan007
Originally posted by zopzop
How? Current Starbrand isn't even planetary level anymore. Did you see the latest Avengers issue? http://i.imgur.com/ScbsjJ8m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/u4tzgUHm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ig64J8Sm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TZXqxk3m.jpg



hysterical

DarkSaint85
Could have sworn that the Starheart was more powerful. I don't know who's more powerful, but am giving it to my boy Starheart. DC have been giving him much love, Alan was said to be the most powerful hero in the universe.

TethAdamTheRock
Starbrand

Zack M
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Could have sworn that the Starheart was more powerful. I don't know who's more powerful, but am giving it to my boy Starheart. DC have been giving him much love, Alan was said to be the most powerful hero in the universe.

Alan stalemated Mordru. That's pretty stacked.

TethAdamTheRock
Those links really dont show anything.

carver9
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286266-avengers+v5+008-008.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286264-avengers+v5+008-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286263-avengers+v5+008-011.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286262-avengers+v5+008-012.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286260-avengers+v5+008-013.jpg

Holding back...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286280-avengers+v5+009-017.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286279-avengers+v5+009-018.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286277-avengers+v5+009-020.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286275-avengers+v5+009-021.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286274-avengers+v5+009-022.jpg

Starbrand stomps with ease.

carver9
Originally posted by Zack M
Alan stalemated Mordru. That's pretty stacked.

Starbrand killed a Beyonder. That's better.

TethAdamTheRock
Is this the same guy?

https://epicscifiart.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/ab3ced5a9a8963b2296bc2da9a03772b.jpg

carver9
Yes.

TethAdamTheRock
Where did he kill a beyonder?

Zack M
Originally posted by carver9
Starbrand killed a Beyonder. That's better.

The weaker Beyonders aren't all that impressive.

carver9
Originally posted by Zack M
The weaker Beyonders aren't all that impressive.

Pretty got darn powerful. Anyways, he killed a Beyonder. A weaker Mordru isn't impressive.

zopzop
Originally posted by Galan007
http://i.imgur.com/ScbsjJ8m.jpg http://i.imgur.com/u4tzgUHm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ig64J8Sm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/TZXqxk3m.jpg



hysterical
You know what I find incredible? The fact that they REPEATEDLY hammered across the notion that it's a PLANETARY defense system that's also capable of destroying a planet. Yet here it its, full power, and nowhere near planetary busting levels. FAIL Marvel.

carver9
It is a planetary defense since it is protecting a planet. Planetary defense doesn't mean that it is planetary in durability...two different things. Now if it was protect a solar system or Galaxy, I'm sure it would be called something else.

zopzop
Originally posted by carver9
It is a planetary defense since it is protecting a planet. Planetary defense doesn't mean that it is planetary in durability...two different things. Now if it was protect a solar system or Galaxy, I'm sure it would be called something else.
I'm talking about it's power output Carvster. It was SUPPOSEDLY capable of destroying a planet but it couldn't even muster more than a few dozen nukes worth of power when attacking the shield. sick

Zack M
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Is this the same guy?

https://epicscifiart.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/ab3ced5a9a8963b2296bc2da9a03772b.jpg

Alan with Starheart went toe to toe against more top tiers than that, in that one JLA arc. Not all that impressive.

Zack M
Originally posted by zopzop
I'm talking about it's power output Carvster. It was SUPPOSEDLY capable of destroying a planet but it couldn't even muster more than a few dozen nukes worth of power when attacking the shield. sick

That sucks. Even if that's a low feat for the Starbrand, you have to admit that Starheart doesn't really have any. At least to my knowledge.

spetznaz
Originally posted by carver9
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286266-avengers+v5+008-008.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286264-avengers+v5+008-009.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286263-avengers+v5+008-011.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286262-avengers+v5+008-012.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286260-avengers+v5+008-013.jpg

Holding back...

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286280-avengers+v5+009-017.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286279-avengers+v5+009-018.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286277-avengers+v5+009-020.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286275-avengers+v5+009-021.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/13/132594/3286274-avengers+v5+009-022.jpg

Starbrand stomps with ease.

Entertaining scans, but they prove nothing. Sure, he took on a team that had the likes of Thor in it, but that means absolutely zip. A Starheart wielder could easily do the same.

It is like comparing two super cars, and someone making an argument that one car can beat a Volkswagen Beetle in a race, and posting pictures of that happening. That is tantamount to what you did showing how the likes of Hulk and Captain America were handled.

What wins? The Starheart or the Starbrand? I have my thoughts, but considering how subjective all of this is it really doesn't matter. What matters though is someone making posts showing the StarBrand handling the likes of Hulk and Captain America, and using that to surmise that the Starbrand 'stomps with ease.'

That would be akin to someone showing the StarHeart handling the likes of Solomon Grundy and Midnighter, and then saying the StarHeart stomps. It would be just as silly.

carver9
I can tell that my liking of the Hulk has damaged you. What can I do to help you?

spetznaz
Originally posted by carver9
I can tell that my liking of the Hulk has damaged you. What can I do to help you?

Actually the only person damaged is you considering the level of disrespect your Hulk threads usually get around here (to the extent in recent threads you've actually stopped including the Hulk). big grin

carver9
Originally posted by spetznaz
Actually the only person damaged is you considering the level of disrespect your Hulk threads usually get around here (to the extent in recent threads you've actually stopped including the Hulk). big grin

I never include him though. There's no need since I already know how powerful he is. I'm trying to help our situation here because your posts, even when I'm not in the thread has involved a lot of me and Hulk. I think I've gotten to you. Let me fix it.

Galan007
It has been reiterated that the current Starbrand is a planetary item, with the power to create or destroy a SINGLE WORLD... And the current CA issue depicts it as far less. carver likes to pretend he's never seen those scans, but he has -- I've shown them to him several times.

Bottom line: the 'brand is fcuking chump change.

DarkSaint85
Naaah can't see it

CosmicComet
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Is this the same guy?

https://epicscifiart.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/ab3ced5a9a8963b2296bc2da9a03772b.jpg

haermm

Low key dig at Thor here.

backup
The Starbrand isn't multiversal or universal? I read that the classic Starbrand was potentially multiversal

TethAdamTheRock
Is that Cho Hulk or Banner?

CosmicComet
that was banner

carver9
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Is that Cho Hulk or Banner?

It's a cover though so it doesn't matter.

Galan007
Originally posted by backup
The Starbrand isn't multiversal or universal? I read that the classic Starbrand was potentially multiversal The classic Starbrand was potentially multiversal, yes. The current 'brand, however, has been faux-retconned into...well...significantly less.


Kevin: "In killing me, the Beyonder doomed himself -- UNLEASHING the cosmic power of the Starbrand I never wanted this... The power to protect or destroy A WORLD.":
http://i.imgur.com/dxwuiLfm.jpg


Kevin: "If I blow, it's not a Beyonder that buys it... It's the ENTIRE PLANET EARTH! I never wanted this... The power to protect or destroy A WORLD.":
http://i.imgur.com/sRKt35Im.jpg


Kevin: "Last, reabsorb ALL THAT STARBRAND ENERGY... So that I don't blow up THE WORLD!":
http://i.imgur.com/Y612JEim.jpg http://i.imgur.com/U7BV84Om.jpg




As you can see: it was iterated and reiterated on panel that the current Starbrand's power -in its totality- is planetary. Nothing more. On top of that, the most recent issue of 'Captain America' depicts the output of a handful of nukes >> Starbrand(and a host of other 'powerful' heroes)... When they are using their full power, no less *scans posted on the previous page*. laughing out loud


tl;dr
The 'brand is fcuking chump change these days. Don't let anyone try to tell you differently. wink

DarkSaint85
On the other hand, let's look at the Starheart.

Here, the Ultra Humanite has 5D imp powers. He still is unsure if he can kill Alan, and says his power is inconceivable:

https://i.imgur.com/4EdCOQU.png

Starbrand is planetary? Starheart is solar system:
http://i.imgur.com/jcqUUse.jpg

Zack M
LOL @ Starbrand going up against three heroes. Sentinel went up against the COMBINED might of the JLA/JSA. MUCH better feat.

http://i1149.photobucket.com/albums/o589/lupinw45/AS_zpszhuxb3ay.jpg

MrMind
starheart stomps
lol at the power of starbrand explosion=planetary force that killed one beyonder, the same beyonder that was stomping the marvel cosmic hierchy

zopzop
Originally posted by Galan007
The classic Starbrand was potentially multiversal, yes. The current 'brand, however, has been faux-retconned into...well...significantly less.


Kevin: "In killing me, the Beyonder doomed himself -- UNLEASHING the cosmic power of the Starbrand I never wanted this... The power to protect or destroy A WORLD.":
http://i.imgur.com/dxwuiLfm.jpg


Kevin: "If I blow, it's not a Beyonder that buys it... It's the ENTIRE PLANET EARTH! I never wanted this... The power to protect or destroy A WORLD.":
http://i.imgur.com/sRKt35Im.jpg


Kevin: "Last, reabsorb ALL THAT STARBRAND ENERGY... So that I don't blow up THE WORLD!":
http://i.imgur.com/Y612JEim.jpg http://i.imgur.com/U7BV84Om.jpg




As you can see: it was iterated and reiterated on panel that the current Starbrand's power -in its totality- is planetary. Nothing more. On top of that, the most recent issue of 'Captain America' depicts the output of a handful of nukes >> Starbrand(and a host of other 'powerful' heroes)... When they are using their full power, no less *scans posted on the previous page*. laughing out loud


tl;dr
The 'brand is fcuking chump change these days. Don't let anyone try to tell you differently. wink
Galan, I know this is an old post but in the Starbrand's defense he was fighting THREE universal abstracts one of which was Entropy.

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