Hawkman Vs Namor

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TethAdamTheRock
Who wins

StiltmanFTW
Namor stomps.

TethAdamTheRock
Injustice Version
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/injustice-gods-among-us-year-five-2016/32/7.jpg

StiltmanFTW
Namor still stomps.

riv6672
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Injustice Version
http://www.readcomics.tv/images/manga/injustice-gods-among-us-year-five-2016/32/7.jpg
Let me guess, for this thread Namor has a Kryptonite weakness, Hawkman has the pictured mace, and you forgot to put all that in the OP. stick out tongue

-K-M-
Namor doesn't stomp hawkman.

Faceless808
Originally posted by -K-M-
Namor doesn't stomp hawkman.


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beatboks
Its no stomp butnNamor should take it.
Only chance HM would have is with the Claw of Horus, but that's not standard gear. Even when it comes the the more creative uses of Nth HM has onpy done them with the claw. Nu52 obviously also has the ability to go full body Nth metal armor making this fight drag out.

Faceless808
^^ I agree. My point is that Hawkman does fight above his weight class often and does well. He will lose to Namor but IMO, it's not going to be a stomp.

Genii96
Namor stomps

Zack M
Originally posted by -K-M-
Namor doesn't stomp hawkman.

Yeah, Hawkman will make a fight out of it.

DarkSaint85
Namor wins handily.

riv6672
Originally posted by beatboks
Only chance HM would have is with the Claw of Horus.
Give Teth a chance, he'll tack on as an OP stip in a day or so.

EcstaticGrace
Namor should honestly Stomp. I don't see Hawkman hanging around powerhouses for prolonged fights the way Namor does. He usually harms them yes. But in a team setting.

IGAU. Is worse because we don't know if he's on the pill or not.. lol. And characters like Mongul are pretty fearless and he fought Superman using K-nite.

Smurph
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Namor wins handily.

TethAdamTheRock
Hawkman beat up Mongul

riv6672
So?

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Hawkman beat up Mongul

No, he merely survived for 30 seconds.

-K-M-
That's not even canon regardless and a different universe

StiltmanFTW
And that's the version CBC is using here, my mungilicious friend.

-K-M-
If it is then he does get stomped. He got worked by hawkgirl

TethAdamTheRock
Its his wife, he gave black adam a decent fight

DarkSaint85
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No one cares for your opinion, Colossus Big-C.

riv6672
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No, he merely survived for 30 seconds.
So not much at all, then.

beatboks
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Namor should honestly Stomp. I don't see Hawkman hanging around powerhouses for prolonged fights the way Namor does. He usually harms them yes. But in a team setting.

IGAU. Is worse because we don't know if he's on the pill or not.. lol. And characters like Mongul are pretty fearless and he fought Superman using K-nite.

HM fought Black Adam for 7 pages in the lead up to black reign in a solo fight. He lost and left to get help but could still hold up against someone above Namor in ohysicals for some time.

Hes fought Aquman (hook hand) also for 3 or 4 pages who is Namor level in a solo fight.

Not to mention a two page solo fight vs Mongul Snr.

Do I need to go on ?? Clearly you arent informed on the characters showings because your flat out wrong

riv6672
Well, Daredevil fought Namor for an entire issue.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/diZWgxdQB6Y/maxresdefault.jpg
Thats more Namor not demolishing him outright.
Same with HM/BA.
Good showings for the lower tier characters, lower tier being paramount, in that the good showings dont mean these characters are gonna go out and beat a powerhouse without heavy plot devices in place.

beatboks
Originally posted by riv6672
Well, Daredevil fought Namor for an entire issue.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/diZWgxdQB6Y/maxresdefault.jpg
Thats more Namor not demolishing him outright.
Same with HM/BA.
Good showings for the lower tier characters, lower tier being paramount, in that the good showings dont mean these characters are gonna go out and beat a powerhouse without heavy plot devices in place.

I didnt suggest HM would win, in fact I said he wouldnt.
Just showing the statement to be comlletely false.
BA won that fight convincingly. The thing is HM took all BA's punishment throughout. He took being thrown thru a wall, being pounded constantly, being hurled from above the highest sky scraper to the ground and straight thru a cars engine block. The healing factor given him by his Nth metal (which isnt far behind that of Wolverine) allowed him to just keep coming back. After the engine block he got back up but flew off to get his team mates. Its not a low showing for BA because he demonstrated complete superiority through out. He showed that the damage he caused to other things WITH HM's body he was still operating at his normal level.

What it did show was that HM can take as much damage as Namor is capable of dishing out for quite some time. Hense its not a stomp (as I said from the start) his Nth metal mace allows HM to strike with greater force than hlthe enhanced strength it gives him (in strength his feats are at best 5 to 6 tons, but striking power with mace is more like 50 ton given that hes completely collapsed the front of a car speeding at him. This means he can make strikes that Namor would definitely feel (though id say do likited damage) AND can take what Namor can dish out for a lot longer than most. Definitely not a win but far from a stomp

DarkSaint85
Also, this is Injustice Hawkman, a completely different beast.

staxamillion
aren't everyones base levels drastically different in injustice?

riv6672
Originally posted by beatboks
I didnt suggest HM would win, in fact I said he wouldnt.
Just showing the statement to be comlletely false.
BA won that fight convincingly. The thing is HM took all BA's punishment throughout. He took being thrown thru a wall, being pounded constantly, being hurled from above the highest sky scraper to the ground and straight thru a cars engine block. The healing factor given him by his Nth metal (which isnt far behind that of Wolverine) allowed him to just keep coming back. After the engine block he got back up but flew off to get his team mates. Its not a low showing for BA because he demonstrated complete superiority through out. He showed that the damage he caused to other things WITH HM's body he was still operating at his normal level.

What it did show was that HM can take as much damage as Namor is capable of dishing out for quite some time. Hense its not a stomp (as I said from the start) his Nth metal mace allows HM to strike with greater force than hlthe enhanced strength it gives him (in strength his feats are at best 5 to 6 tons, but striking power with mace is more like 50 ton given that hes completely collapsed the front of a car speeding at him. This means he can make strikes that Namor would definitely feel (though id say do likited damage) AND can take what Namor can dish out for a lot longer than most. Definitely not a win but far from a stomp
Just adding to.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by beatboks
HM fought Black Adam for 7 pages in the lead up to black reign in a solo fight. He lost and left to get help but could still hold up against someone above Namor in ohysicals for some time.

Hes fought Aquman (hook hand) also for 3 or 4 pages who is Namor level in a solo fight.

Not to mention a two page solo fight vs Mongul Snr.

Do I need to go on ?? Clearly you arent informed on the characters showings because your flat out wrong

From what I'm aware Black Adam wasn't fully powered either. His powers were being shared. There's context there because that's not the norm for Hawkman. And despite all of that Hawkman was on the losing end.

Honesty PAD Aquaman ranges when PAD isn't writing him. And I'm a heavy Aquaman buff. Most either had Aquaman as if it was the silver age in regards to stats or they'd follow what PAD set. Example there's been regular humans who've knocked out hook hand Aquaman. Him being stunned by Hawkman's grenades and whatnot doesn't sound to impressive.

You listed two examples and both have been deconstructed so please go on.

In regards to actual feats. Aquaman outclasses Hawkman in every stat area just like Namor does.

basilisk
Originally posted by staxamillion
aren't everyones base levels drastically different in injustice? Just totally inconsistent really, anyone could just about beat anyone depending on the time of day, it never made much sense. Alternate reality anyway.

Hawkman vs Namor would actually be a pretty good fight, especially with HM's weapons, but I can see HM taking heavy punishment before eventually losing.

TethAdamTheRock
Originally posted by staxamillion
aren't everyones base levels drastically different in injustice? Every character in Injustice are closer in powerlevel then PreDCnU (Captain Atom being equal to superman etc)

-K-M-
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace

In regards to actual feats. Aquaman outclasses Hawkman in every stat area just like Namor does.

mmhmmmm

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Battles
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Shadow War of Hawkman #3:
Here with one of their guns Hawkwoman quickly knocks out Aquaman

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman03-19.jpg
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Hawkman #15 : Aquaman (Hawkman: Holl)
Hawkman tracks down the avatar of the Baracuda, but must go through Aquaman who was friends with him until he found out he was a child molestor. Hawkman schools Aquaman

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-13.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-14.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-15.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-16.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-17.jpg
6. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-18.jpg
7. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-19.jpg
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JLA #119 :
Here Carter subdues a mind-controlled Aquaman

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JLA119-0006.jpg

Glorificus
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Namor stomps.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by -K-M-
mmhmmmm

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Battles
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Shadow War of Hawkman #3:
Here with one of their guns Hawkwoman quickly knocks out Aquaman

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/ShadowWarofHawkman03-19.jpg
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Hawkman #15 : Aquaman (Hawkman: Holl)
Hawkman tracks down the avatar of the Baracuda, but must go through Aquaman who was friends with him until he found out he was a child molestor. Hawkman schools Aquaman

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-13.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-14.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-15.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-16.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-17.jpg
6. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-18.jpg
7. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-015-19.jpg
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JLA #119 :
Here Carter subdues a mind-controlled Aquaman

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JLA119-0006.jpg

The only example worth mentioning is the drawn out fight with Hawkman and Aquaman in Hawkman #15.

1st instance is a cheapshot. With an Aquaman who is generally weaker stat wise then he is in later years.
2nd instance: Good mention, not gonna lie. But it could honestly come down to inconsistenty. Theres more examples of Hawkman being more Deathstroke tier if not a bit higher.

3rd instance it was one panel... faulty as hell. There's an image of Vox you know the human guy with voice issues and no superhuman stats at all restraining Superboy. Same comic Aquaman looked superior in the fact he was going head on with Desperate and throwing him around and shit. The one time Hawkman got Despero's attention in a comic was when he hit him with a mace swing and just annoyed the guy... Aquaman sent him flying with his hands.

Hawkman is low to mid mid-tier. Where he can harm powerhouses, but he doesn't really have the stats to win or stay in a prolonged fight. Kinda like Wolverine.

The problem is you Hawkman supporters are relying on scaling which typically often doesn't work with established characters like Hawkman who've had several series and appearances.

-K-M-
You act like I don't rep aquaman erm

Also first scan is to show one example of the tech hawkman has that he can use which was still strong enough to one shot AM. Not even his best weapons either

You call it faulty? I call it relevant. You can see aquaman struggling to break free. He used his strength and skill to hold aquaman for a short period of time. Same aquaman that was going one on one with despero

I don't think anyone is saying hawkman wins. What we're arguing is the claim namor would stomp mainstream hawkman when he wouldn't. However, if we are using injustice hawkman then namor 100% stomps

Hawkman has actually gotten an amp and is stronger in the new52. So yes even hawkman has power scaling

StiltmanFTW
Aquaman, the defender of pedos no expression

Like I needed that to disrespect him even more.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by -K-M-
You act like I don't rep aquaman erm

Also first scan is to show one example of the tech hawkman has that he can use which was still strong enough to one shot AM. Not even his best weapons either

You call it faulty? I call it relevant. You can see aquaman struggling to break free. He used his strength and skill to hold aquaman for a short period of time. Same aquaman that was going one on one with despero

I don't think anyone is saying hawkman wins. What we're arguing is the claim namor would stomp mainstream hawkman when he wouldn't. However, if we are using injustice hawkman then namor 100% stomps

Hawkman has actually gotten an amp and is stronger in the new52. So yes even hawkman has power scaling

Again one panel. We don't know how long that panel last. It could be a second of time it could be a minute. Going off actual strength feats and not scaling Aquaman severely out classes Carter/Katar/Whatever version were using in regards to strength. Again there's pretty weak characters in regards to strength who've done the same thing to completely stronger characters. It would get more recognition if it went longer than just a panel. Otherwise

http://pm1.narvii.com/5748/f6b9e2fa599bca872eed3bc298d1385ee1e8b9b3_hq.jpg

I don't take stuff like the above instance seriously. Cause Vox has no feats suggesting he should logically restrain Superboy.

Same thing goes in regards to speed if a character keeps up with flash I don't assume the character is as fast as Flash unless stated by feats. Hawkman has nothing close to lifting a city block or resisting Polaris magnetism the same issue he was able to lift Atlantis. Are we just suppose to assume he's at that level or near it because of one panel where he withheld a character.

Aquaman ranges depending on writer. In the PAD Era and before it. We have stories where Batman and Joker could make him feel pain and other stories where Deathstroke can't even phase the guy. We also have stories where he gets dropped by a club to the head I believe it was in one of his annuals.

I'm not trying to downplay Hawkman. But if we look at each stat across the bored he's outclassed. I'd agree with anyone who said he can hurt Namor cause he has a history of harming characters tiers above him but there's typically some stuff involved there that should be factored.

Nu52 Hawkman might also have some shot given versatility, but it's not that consistent for me to really factor it in that much.

DarkSaint85
So we all agree, Namor stomps Hawkman as per the thread.

StiltmanFTW
Yes.

He stomps the Hawkmung as well.

riv6672
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So we all agree, Namor stomps Hawkman as per the thread.
Agreed.

-K-M-
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Again one panel. We don't know how long that panel last. It could be a second of time it could be a minute. Going off actual strength feats and not scaling Aquaman severely out classes Carter/Katar/Whatever version were using in regards to strength. Again there's pretty weak characters in regards to strength who've done the same thing to completely stronger characters. It would get more recognition if it went longer than just a panel. Otherwise

http://pm1.narvii.com/5748/f6b9e2fa599bca872eed3bc298d1385ee1e8b9b3_hq.jpg

I don't take stuff like the above instance seriously. Cause Vox has no feats suggesting he should logically restrain Superboy.

Same thing goes in regards to speed if a character keeps up with flash I don't assume the character is as fast as Flash unless stated by feats. Hawkman has nothing close to lifting a city block or resisting Polaris magnetism the same issue he was able to lift Atlantis. Are we just suppose to assume he's at that level or near it because of one panel where he withheld a character.

Aquaman ranges depending on writer. In the PAD Era and before it. We have stories where Batman and Joker could make him feel pain and other stories where Deathstroke can't even phase the guy. We also have stories where he gets dropped by a club to the head I believe it was in one of his annuals.

I'm not trying to downplay Hawkman. But if we look at each stat across the bored he's outclassed. I'd agree with anyone who said he can hurt Namor cause he has a history of harming characters tiers above him but there's typically some stuff involved there that should be factored.

Nu52 Hawkman might also have some shot given versatility, but it's not that consistent for me to really factor it in that much.

What? How is that scene comparable. With the Vox example it was three on one, and Superboy is literally punching one person away. While Hawkman and Aquaman are one on one and we visible see Aquaman struggling to break free erm Kator/Carter merged into one being meaning all Hawkman feats can be applied to Hawkman. Once again your underestimating Hawkman he has lifted helicopters, spaceships and his punches (not just a mace) has hurt Wonder Woman

You're the type that complains when Batman has high showings don't you? If stats were everything in comics Deathstroke, Wolverine, Batman, Red Robin would get owned by everyone. Yet Hawkman has THOUSANDS of years of experience, animal control, control of air currents, enhanced senses, powerful healing factor, advanced tech, etc. Class 100 characters have had a hard time putting him down. Even recently with the new Lobo. In that fight Hawkman healed an entire arm that was cut off in a minute. As noted by Atom "Hawkman giggles at anything less then third degree burns"

You are 1oo% trying to downplay Hawkman. This is a guy who can keep up with speedsters and his enhanced senses allows him to keep up. He also has beaten Johnny Quick
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Trinity13p19.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg

Hawkman takes on the Fourth Reich himself. Here he easily tags a Nazi speedster and wrecks various others. It also shows he can take a statue being crushed on him with no real ill damage

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_03.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_04-05.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_06.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_07.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_08.jpg
6. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_09.jpg

During the Rann/Thanagar War, Hawkman steps up and takes on a whole army of Gordanians which had over a thousand soliders. Well he beats them....and with ease.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-003.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-004.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-005.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-006.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-007.jpg

He also has beaten Shark
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv42222pyrate.jpg

Against Black Adam
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p14.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p15.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p16.jpg
4. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p17.jpg
5. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p18.jpg
6. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p19.jpg

DarkSaint85
The Mungth metal is strong today.

-K-M-
Which the above post is completely irrelevant as were using Injustice Hawkman who was/is pretty terrible

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by -K-M-
What? How is that scene comparable. With the Vox example it was three on one, and Superboy is literally punching one person away. While Hawkman and Aquaman are one on one and we visible see Aquaman struggling to break free erm Kator/Carter merged into one being meaning all Hawkman feats can be applied to Hawkman. Once again your underestimating Hawkman he has lifted helicopters, spaceships and his punches (not just a mace) has hurt Wonder Woman

You're the type that complains when Batman has high showings don't you? If stats were everything in comics Deathstroke, Wolverine, Batman, Red Robin would get owned by everyone. Yet Hawkman has THOUSANDS of years of experience, animal control, control of air currents, enhanced senses, powerful healing factor, advanced tech, etc. Class 100 characters have had a hard time putting him down. Even recently with the new Lobo. In that fight Hawkman healed an entire arm that was cut off in a minute. As noted by Atom "Hawkman giggles at anything less then third degree burns"

You are 1oo% trying to downplay Hawkman. This is a guy who can keep up with speedsters and his enhanced senses allows him to keep up. He also has beaten Johnny Quick
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii315/darkseidres2/Trinity13p19.jpg

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Identity_Crisis_02_Page_04.jpg

Hawkman takes on the Fourth Reich himself. Here he easily tags a Nazi speedster and wrecks various others. It also shows he can take a statue being crushed on him with no real ill damage

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_03.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_04-05.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_06.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_07.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_08.jpg
6. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/JSA_03_09.jpg

During the Rann/Thanagar War, Hawkman steps up and takes on a whole army of Gordanians which had over a thousand soliders. Well he beats them....and with ease.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-003.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-004.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-005.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-006.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hm-47-007.jpg

He also has beaten Shark
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/hawkmanv42222pyrate.jpg

Against Black Adam
1. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p14.jpg
2. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p15.jpg
3. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p16.jpg
4. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p17.jpg
5. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p18.jpg
6. http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd199/MachineMan616/BlackAdam3-p19.jpg

It's comparable because it's a scan where a character physically inferior is shown "restraining" a character physically superior.

Black Panther restraining Surfer work better? What about IGAU Bane restraining Doomsday?

I don't complain when Batman has high showings. I just understand the difference between high showings and plot. If Batman tags the Flash I'd call that plot. If Batman is shown running faster than a motorcycle that's a showing. The fact that there's so much dependency on other characters for Hawkman in this fight pretty much makes it clear why this isn't debatable at all for any wins in Carter's favor.

Like I said stats favor Namor.

The Teth instance has context I believe. You'd have to show me the feats of these Gordanians Hawkman is taking on. Honestly he's outclassed.

Perceiving someone moving fast isn't the same as keeping up with them. That's a ridiculous insertion if your trying to make it. If not it's a random mention in regards to the Identity Crisis scan.

-K-M-
Since he was mentioned Hawkman actually has a victory over Dr. Polaris. He beat him with his "organic" wings, which couldn't do that but even before he used that to his advantage he was taking it to him. Actually could have killed him in the middle of the fight
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Hawkman #28 :
Here Hawkman steps up his game and takes on Dr.Polaris who takes on Green Lantern's. He actually defeats Polaris in a long hard battle.

1. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-05.jpg
2. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-06.jpg
3. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-07.jpg
4. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-08.jpg
5. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-09.jpg
6. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-10.jpg
7. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-11.jpg
8. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-12.jpg
9. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-13.jpg
10. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-14.jpg
11. http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Hawkman-v3-028-15.jpg
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-K-M-
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
It's comparable because it's a scan where a character physically inferior is shown "restraining" a character physically superior.

Black Panther restraining Surfer work better? What about IGAU Bane restraining Doomsday?

I don't complain when Batman has high showings. I just understand the difference between high showings and plot. If Batman tags the Flash I'd call that plot. If Batman is shown running faster than a motorcycle that's a showing. The fact that there's so much dependency on other characters for Hawkman in this fight pretty much makes it clear why this isn't debatable at all for any wins in Carter's favor.

Like I said stats favor Namor.

The Teth instance has context I believe. You'd have to show me the feats of these Gordanians Hawkman is taking on. Honestly he's outclassed.

Perceiving someone moving fast isn't the same as keeping up with them. That's a ridiculous insertion if your trying to make it. If not it's a random mention in regards to the Identity Crisis scan.

Not at all. You tried comparing a scan where SUperboy isn't even trying to escape but punching someone at the same time Vex is holding him with another about to attack. While Hawkman and Aquaman are one on one and we see Aquaman struggling to break free

Yep and how did he do it? With his strength and skill allowing him to do it against a stronger foe. Meaning what exactly? Oh that in comics stats are not always everything. Especially when it comes to people who are highly skilled fighters ie. Captain America, Batman, Daredevil, Shang Chi, etc. Bane and Doomsday is from the Injustice universe

So I was right, no point debating you then. As you choose to ignore all of Hawkman's showings then as their not "realistic". Welcome to the world of comics.

and? Black Adam and various other class 100 characters had the stats over him and they have struggled to put him down. erm

What context? and their super strong aliens and he took on thousands at once. Once again you're trying to low ball erm

Did you miss the part where he has BEATEN speedsters? He actually has shown lightspeed in space while towing a ship in the Silver Age. He has shown to go mach speeds on earth as well. He himself has super speed erm Answer me truthfully do you know much if anything of Hawkman?

EcstaticGrace
Well I'm done. We all agree Namor wins here so this is irrelevant. Regardless Hawkman isn't on the same tier or close.

Zack M
Originally posted by -K-M-
Since he was mentioned Hawkman actually has a victory over Dr. Polaris. He beat him with his "organic" wings, which couldn't do that but even before he used that to his advantage he was taking it to him. Actually could have killed him in the middle of the fight
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Hawkman #28 :
Here Hawkman steps up his game and takes on Dr.Polaris who takes on Green Lantern's. He actually defeats Polaris in a long hard battle.

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Nice! thumb up That's an uber feat for Hawkman.

EcstaticGrace
Irrelevant though. Since I was referencing resisting Polaris pull. And a fight gets brought for some reason.

riv6672
^^^Cool scans, but yeah...

-K-M-
Way to miss the point guys. Once again Hawkman takes on someone with "superior" stats and not only does he hang...he wins. No one is debating who is stronger between Hawkman and Aquaman, but Hawkman can hang with his superiors and they don't simply just stomp him.

Also are you referring to Aquaman #40 when he had Dolphin and Tempest with him?

Sin I AM
Originally posted by -K-M-
Which the above post is completely irrelevant as were using Injustice Hawkman who was/is pretty terrible

People actually read Injustice?

-K-M-
Also are you referring to this scene? Hope not

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Aquaman%20v3%2040%20-%2003.jpg
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Polaris was toying with him, Dolphin and Tempest helped him, and nor was there that much force used on him either. How do I know? The railing he was holding didn't bend or break. So is this what your referring to?

Or you referring to Aquaman #51? Which again Polaris was stretched and as noted the bonds were weakened

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Aquaman%20v3%2041%20-%2009.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Aquaman%20v3%2041%20-%2010.jpg

Or was it some different story?

riv6672
Originally posted by Sin I AM
People actually read Injustice?
laughing out loud

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by -K-M-
Also are you referring to this scene? Hope not

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Aquaman%20v3%2040%20-%2003.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Aquaman%20v3%2040%20-%2004.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Aquaman%20v3%2040%20-%2005.jpg
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Polaris was toying with him, Dolphin and Tempest helped him, and nor was there that much force used on him either. How do I know? The railing he was holding didn't bend or break. So is this what your referring to?

Or you referring to Aquaman #51? Which again Polaris was stretched and as noted the bonds were weakened

http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Aquaman%20v3%2041%20-%2009.jpg
http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p68/DCHawks_photo/Aquaman%20v3%2041%20-%2010.jpg

Or was it some different story?

That's weird given Polaris couldn't take the hook off him. Toying or not he kept his hold on the city and irregardless has similar feats to back it.

That's also 5 panels where be was by himself keeping his old compared to your one panel your blowing up with Hawkman "restraining Hawkman"

Try some personal feats for Hawkman where he's not loosely scaling and the results are more evident.

beatboks
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
From what I'm aware Black Adam wasn't fully powered either. His powers were being shared. There's context there because that's not the norm for Hawkman. And despite all of that Hawkman was on the losing end.

Honesty PAD Aquaman ranges when PAD isn't writing him. And I'm a heavy Aquaman buff. Most either had Aquaman as if it was the silver age in regards to stats or they'd follow what PAD set. Example there's been regular humans who've knocked out hook hand Aquaman. Him being stunned by Hawkman's grenades and whatnot doesn't sound to impressive.

You listed two examples and both have been deconstructed so please go on.

In regards to actual feats. Aquaman outclasses Hawkman in every stat area just like Namor does.

O_o how were BA's powers "shared" Oh your not talking about the sahred power of Isis (that wasn't BA's but an amp he had that was shared with others) are you??

https://static4.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4058139-adam+v+hawk+1+.jpg
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Really looks like BA was depowered huh. HM can make a fight of it against him because of the ridiculous healing factor that Nth metal gives.

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4709313-healing.jpg

Almost bled out from a slit throat to fine in a second or two once he had his Nth metal again

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In trinity his arm was almost completely severed by a shield striking it and was little more than a scar a few pages alter.

HM's healing factor is as far behind Logan's as Namor is behind Hulk in strength an durability (actually now that I think about it HM's HF is closer to Logan than Namor is to Hulk)

Very few would say that Hulk would stomp Wolvie. Win ABSOLUTELY, but not stomp.
HM is MUCH stronger than Logan.
Hm is faster than Logan.
HM has better sight than Logan and close to even on other senses.
HM has greater mobility due to flight than HM.

The gap between Namor and HM is MUCH smaller than between Hulk and Wolverine and they have had several fights that went a while and therefore isn't a stomp.

-K-M-
@EG. So confirmed you exaggerated the scene and now are trying to do damage control. Keep low balling thumb up

-K-M-
Hawkwman and Aquaman also had a brief fight in the new52 which was stopped by a pissed off Wonder Woman who punched hawkman to the ground and he was right back up. Hawkman was also shown taking shots from aquaman and being fine

And beat don't forget in the new 52 when Lobo cut his arm off and he healed it completely in minutes

Surtur
Originally posted by TethAdamTheRock
Injustice Version


Why is his mace green?

carver9
Alan amped it with his power.

-K-M-
Originally posted by carver9
Alan amped it with his power.

Different fight. He was refering to the injustice scan posted which was a kryptonite mace that he was hitting superman with

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by -K-M-
Hawkwman and Aquaman also had a brief fight in the new52 which was stopped by a pissed off Wonder Woman who punched hawkman to the ground and he was right back up. Hawkman was also shown taking shots from aquaman and being fine

And beat don't forget in the new 52 when Lobo cut his arm off and he healed it completely in minutes

Hawkman took one hit from Aquaman in the New52 and was bloodied by it.. jeez talk about exaggerating.

There's a reason you and BB are struggling to actually.show comparable feats.

I also remember Hawkman struggling and losing against a Lobo/NuLobo who was one shotted by Supergirl. As well as being on the loosing end of a fight against Deathstroke. No amps..

Scaling like you guys have been doing goes in multiple direction. I brought up an instance where Aquaman resisted Polaris pull for 5 panels and you suggest it's irrelevant because on the 6th panel 2 vastly weaker characters than Aquaman joined in to help him. Whereas Hawkman holding Aquaman for one panel is valid. Because doublestandards. Faulty as hell ones at that.

carver9
@KM

Aaaahhhh, ok. Namor kills him by the way.

TethAdamTheRock
Originally posted by Surtur
Why is his mace green? He was killing superman

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by beatboks
O_o how were BA's powers "shared" Oh your not talking about the sahred power of Isis (that wasn't BA's but an amp he had that was shared with others) are you??

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Really looks like BA was depowered huh. HM can make a fight of it against him because of the ridiculous healing factor that Nth metal gives.

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4709313-healing.jpg

Almost bled out from a slit throat to fine in a second or two once he had his Nth metal again

https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223931-arm+injury+1.jpg
https://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/4223933-arm+injury+2.jpg
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In trinity his arm was almost completely severed by a shield striking it and was little more than a scar a few pages alter.

HM's healing factor is as far behind Logan's as Namor is behind Hulk in strength an durability (actually now that I think about it HM's HF is closer to Logan than Namor is to Hulk)

Very few would say that Hulk would stomp Wolvie. Win ABSOLUTELY, but not stomp.
HM is MUCH stronger than Logan.
Hm is faster than Logan.
HM has better sight than Logan and close to even on other senses.
HM has greater mobility due to flight than HM.

The gap between Namor and HM is MUCH smaller than between Hulk and Wolverine and they have had several fights that went a while and therefore isn't a stomp.

If Hulk hit Wolverine with an all out punch. Fight over is the point I was making. Hulk holds back and I thing some of us expect that in a fight.

I looked in to Black Adam The dark Age and to my mistake I was wrong. Which I'll admit about Teth being weakened. Its what happens when you take someone's word as truth...
https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/team-spider-man-vs-team-hawkman-valentines-day-cla-1766969/

Regardless the Teth/Hawkman fight didn't do much favors for Hawkman I'd akin it to Hulk vs Wolverine again for that illustration. Hawkman got one grab in all he did in the fight and then he got beat up. I guess it looks good though since his grapple caused Teth to strain and it shows he has pretty good durability which means lasting power. But Namor has more than Lasting power he's actually shown going toe to toe with powerhouses rather than being on the end that will eventually lose

-K-M-
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Hawkman took one hit from Aquaman in the New52 and was bloodied by it.. jeez talk about exaggerating.

There's a reason you and BB are struggling to actually.show comparable feats.

I also remember Hawkman struggling and losing against a Lobo/NuLobo who was one shotted by Supergirl. As well as being on the loosing end of a fight against Deathstroke. No amps..

Scaling like you guys have been doing goes in multiple direction. I brought up an instance where Aquaman resisted Polaris pull for 5 panels and you suggest it's irrelevant because on the 6th panel 2 vastly weaker characters than Aquaman joined in to help him. Whereas Hawkman holding Aquaman for one panel is valid. Because doublestandards. Faulty as hell ones at that.

What fight you talking about? This? Where's the bloody mess?

https://goo.gl/images/sJmXct

Also to note he was shown in the same story to be grabbing with Wonder Woman and captain marvel Hah oooooo do you really want to go low showing game? As namor has some good ones

Again we did but you are simply choosing to ignore it and cry

Wait losing to supergirl is a low showing now? If you want to use abc logic that lobo actually beat and cut the head off of classic lobo who has gone toe to toe with superman. Funny you're trying to use low showings for everyone now. Keep low balling

And how long were those 5 panels? Seconds it was. How do I know as he was in the same mid sentence between all 5 panels. Keep exaggerating. You tried to use 3 people fighting superboy at the same time while aquaman and hawkman were one on one and we see aquaman struggling while superboy wasn't. You're being daft erm

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by -K-M-
What fight you talking about? This? Where's the bloody mess?

https://goo.gl/images/sJmXct

Also to note he was shown in the same story to be grabbing with Wonder Woman and captain marvel Hah oooooo do you really want to go low showing game? As namor has some good ones

Again we did but you are simply choosing to ignore it and cry

Wait losing to supergirl is a low showing now? If you want to use abc logic that lobo actually beat and cut the head off of classic lobo who has gone toe to toe with superman. Funny you're trying to use low showings for everyone now. Keep low balling

And how long were those 5 panels? Seconds it was. How do I know as he was in the same mid sentence between all 5 panels. Keep exaggerating. You tried to use 3 people fighting superboy at the same time while aquaman and hawkman were one on one and we see aquaman struggling while superboy wasn't. You're being daft erm

Again back to scaling off of minimal scans.

Let's compare lifting feats? Lifting Utopia
Let's compare striking feats? Oneshotting Bill/Making Thanos bleed
Let's compare durability? Taking a beating from Thanos

If we look at those feats atleast if anyone reasonably did. We'd come to the conclusion that Hawkman is outclassed. He's not a class 100, he's never been near it in any continuity. The best he has is currently in the Nu52 where he's provided with versatility in regards to combat.

Your miniscule panel showings of Hawkman going a page or panel with a powerhouse isn't anything none of us haven't seen street level characters doing.

-K-M-
Once again you assume stats are everything. How do you explain Wolverine, Gyayson, Daredevil, ShangChi, Catman etc hanging with these characters. New52 Catman had a long fight with Aquaman. He's peak human.

Even Batman two shotted Solomon Grundy when just before the same Grundy was taking on Gotham and Gotham Girl and was getting the better of them

It's crazy how you dont grasp the simple concept. Aquaman is stronger. No question. Namor is stronger. No question, but Hawkman has a HISTORY of taking on and even beating people with superior stats then him due to his powers he does have, his vast experience and his weapons. You cant ignore that simply becase you don't like it. No one is saying Hawkman wins here, what is being debated (poorly by you) that it wouldnt be a stomp. Based on the various showings that have been posted this really is a no brainer.

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by -K-M-
Once again you assume stats are everything. How do you explain Wolverine, Gyayson, Daredevil, ShangChi, Catman etc hanging with these characters. New52 Catman had a long fight with Aquaman. He's peak human.

Even Batman two shotted Solomon Grundy when just before the same Grundy was taking on Gotham and Gotham Girl and was getting the better of them

It's crazy how you dont grasp the simple concept. Aquaman is stronger. No question. Namor is stronger. No question, but Hawkman has a HISTORY of taking on and even beating people with superior stats then him due to his powers he does have, his vast experience and his weapons. You cant ignore that simply becase you don't like it. No one is saying Hawkman wins here, what is being debated (poorly by you) that it wouldnt be a stomp. Based on the various showings that have been posted this really is a no brainer.

Plot most of the time.. lol at the Catman mention. Aquaman has beaten stronger characters on land without amps. In the Gail Simone instance a writer who has no business writing Aquaman. Aquaman had the Poseidon Blessing and it was underwater (you know where all his sea allies are).

Given you think stuff like that's credible I could see the problem here.. you put to much emphasis on plot fights rather than what the character actually accomplished on their own merits. By the same logic Wonder Woman is as fast and strong as Superman because of fights. The battle forums wouldnt agree. But that's the type of logic your throwing around. That just because it happened in a fight in a story makes it credible to bring up.

The battleforums or most in general base a character of stats, and characterization, Plot is disregaeded.

Whose Hawkman beat without having to prep? With actual feats who is stronger than Namor?

beatboks
Originally posted by -K-M-
Different fight. He was refering to the injustice scan posted which was a kryptonite mace that he was hitting superman with

Km beat me to the reply.
Green k mace

beatboks
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Again back to scaling off of minimal scans.

Let's compare lifting feats? Lifting Utopia
Let's compare striking feats? Oneshotting Bill/Making Thanos bleed
Let's compare durability? Taking a beating from Thanos

If we look at those feats atleast if anyone reasonably did. We'd come to the conclusion that Hawkman is outclassed. He's not a class 100, he's never been near it in any continuity. The best he has is currently in the Nu52 where he's provided with versatility in regards to combat.

Your miniscule panel showings of Hawkman going a page or panel with a powerhouse isn't anything none of us haven't seen street level characters doing.

No HM isnt class 100 no ones saying he is.
He does however have striking power well above his 3 to 5 ton strength.
I can find the scans if necessary but with a standard nth metal mace he has stopped a car speeding at him (to run him down) with one mace strike and basically compressed the engine block into half a foot.

Thats with a mace laced with only 5% nth metal.
He has knocked out Desperos teeth with a mace strike (who can tank punches from heavy hitters)
The reason why he could kno k Superman flying and was stated to "strike with the force of a planet" is because it is both the largest and purest piece of Nth metal that exists in the DCU.

Wolverine couldnt strike Hulk with a blow that would do damage but HM could to Namor (obviosly Logan can cut Hulk with his admantium claws).

Yes Namor is stronger and has a straight up durability advantage by quite a bit but the fact is HM is capable of striking blows that can cause damage to him. HM has the speed and maneuverability advantage (he only has to think to move courtesy of Nth).

The fight would be lost by HM no doubt but he would make Namor work for it and can cause Namor Damage which is why its no stomp. You would notice that in the first page of the BA fight he hurt Adam with a mace strike (uhgn). Then the grapple was also with the mace and the force it adds. BA then destriys the mace and owns him for the rest of the fight with HM no longer having a means of actually doing damage.

BA and HM were team mates. BA knows HM and knows what Nth can do, how would Namor even know he has to take away a mace to reduce HM's attack potential ????

EcstaticGrace
Originally posted by beatboks
No HM isnt class 100 no ones saying he is.
He does however have striking power well above his 3 to 5 ton strength.
I can find the scans if necessary but with a standard nth metal mace he has stopped a car speeding at him (to run him down) with one mace strike and basically compressed the engine block into half a foot.

Thats with a mace laced with only 5% nth metal.
He has knocked out Desperos teeth with a mace strike (who can tank punches from heavy hitters)
The reason why he could kno k Superman flying and was stated to "strike with the force of a planet" is because it is both the largest and purest piece of Nth metal that exists in the DCU.

Wolverine couldnt strike Hulk with a blow that would do damage but HM could to Namor (obviosly Logan can cut Hulk with his admantium claws).

Yes Namor is stronger and has a straight up durability advantage by quite a bit but the fact is HM is capable of striking blows that can cause damage to him. HM has the speed and maneuverability advantage (he only has to think to move courtesy of Nth).

The fight would be lost by HM no doubt but he would make Namor work for it and can cause Namor Damage which is why its no stomp. You would notice that in the first page of the BA fight he hurt Adam with a mace strike (uhgn). Then the grapple was also with the mace and the force it adds. BA then destriys the mace and owns him for the rest of the fight with HM no longer having a means of actually doing damage.

BA and HM were team mates. BA knows HM and knows what Nth can do, how would Namor even know he has to take away a mace to reduce HM's attack potential ????

Pretty sure the Claw of Horus was the reason he was able to do that to Superman which isn't standard gear. Wasn't Superman also being feint about it and was up through next page? Could be wrong.

I mistook your intentions. My point was that Hawkman doesn't hang with powerhouses in the regard that he can brawl it out with them for extended periods of time. I agree his damage Output with his weapons is impressive. But making someone bleed or say ow. Isn't comparable to getting draws with powerhouses like Hercules or having wins against characters like the Hulk.

I honestly feel like a forum fight with Teth vs Carter would be a stomp. Speed advantage, mainly being the reason which is ignored in a story where their meant to fight.

namorsubby
Namor.

psycho gundam
lol

StiltmanFTW
Originally posted by namorsubby
Namor.

thumb up

With extreme ease.

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