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lmao that pic of northstar

jay. ns could be faster on avg, maybe, unless we dig some for jay whose highs are better than ns, but jay is simply too smart and has too many tricks. plus speed steal if needed. /shrug

What is Northstar's speed-cap?

Lol...light speed but his durability holds him back from going that fast. Anyways, Northstar takes this. Good fight though.

Jay's biggest worry should probably be to shove his helmet down the front of his tights or the back....

Originally posted by carver9
Lol...light speed but his durability holds him back from going that fast. Anyways, Northstar takes this. Good fight though. Not asking what his 'potential' speed is. I am asking what speed he's actually capped at most of the time.

I ask because Jay's speed has been capped just below light speed in some of his more recent appearances, as his body simply begins giving out due to old age... Not that raw speed is his only option, mind you, I am just curious about Northstar, is all.

it's just shy of light speed but i think he's reached it before. jay didn't hit c too often in his later appearances, but he was certainly capable of it if needed and he exceeded it a couple times too. it would be a pretty even fight, but like i said, jay is just smarter, more experienced and has too many tricks to fall back on. and please man, i'm begging you, do me the courtesy of kindly NOT quoting carv. i just can't handle it. lol

Pretty sure northstar hit speed of light fighting summers/Xmen

Jay should b more experienced tho

What's Jay counter if NS takes the fight in the air and bombards him with energy blast?

KM must be on vacation.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Pretty sure northstar hit speed of light fighting summers/Xmen

Jay should b more experienced tho

He did but he was amped when he did it. If we are using that Northstar, he stomps with ease.

Originally posted by Ambient
What's Jay counter if NS takes the fight in the air and bombards him with energy blast?

Speed steal jay doesnt like using it and has stated he thinks it's cheating but he does use it as frequently as Wally in fact if you consider how often he used it to amp Bart more so.

So he wont steal the speed to use but would to hamper.

Speed wise they are pretty much peers. Both can go just faster than light when needed but dont. NS due to durability, Jay due to his age and heart condition so cant stay that speed for long.

Jay uses wind vortexes etc more than any other flash in solo stories excpet MAYBE Barry who at best would use them as often. This gives him a ranged attack to match NS

Jay also uses vibration to pass thru things which if anything would be what gives him the slight edge.

Jay also has the MOST scientific approach to speed of anyone. He was afterall the one who had to dumb down and explain Zooms time shift to the rest of the flash family.

I'd say a slight nod to Jay but can see NS taking it underncertain conditions

Originally posted by Galan007
Not asking what his 'potential' speed is. I am asking what speed he's actually capped at most of the time.

I ask because Jay's speed has been capped just below light speed in some of his more recent appearances, as his body simply begins giving out due to old age... Not that raw speed is his only option, mind you, I am just curious about Northstar, is all.

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Also with his children of vault upgrade. He lost it but then got another upgrade which is the level the above scan is and still has

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Concerning his durability
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Originally posted by beatboks
Speed steal jay doesnt like using it and has stated he thinks it's cheating but he does use it as frequently as Wally in fact if you consider how often he used it to amp Bart more so.

So he wont steal the speed to use but would to hamper.

Speed wise they are pretty much peers. Both can go just faster than light when needed but dont. NS due to durability, Jay due to his age and heart condition so cant stay that speed for long.

Jay uses wind vortexes etc more than any other flash in solo stories excpet MAYBE Barry who at best would use them as often. This gives him a ranged attack to match NS

Jay also uses vibration to pass thru things which if anything would be what gives him the slight edge.

Jay also has the MOST scientific approach to speed of anyone. He was afterall the one who had to dumb down and explain Zooms time shift to the rest of the flash family.

I'd say a slight nod to Jay but can see NS taking it underncertain conditions



Think aurora would be more of a challenge

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I'm so glad jay is coming back

Originally posted by -K-M-
I'm so glad jay is coming back
Yup, JSA is the best team after Legion.

they're better than legion, but otherwise you're right on.

Originally posted by leonidas
they're better than legion, but otherwise you're right on.
Them's the fighting words.

uhuh

When did northstar lose his hand upgrade? He should have kept both

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yup, JSA is the best team after Legion. Grant Morrison's JLA.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
When did northstar lose his hand upgrade? He should have kept both

Still has it, he and Aurora lost their Children of the Vault upgrade though, but then got a different one afterwards and seem to be at those levels of CoV again.

Originally posted by -K-M-
Still has it, he and Aurora lost their Children of the Vault upgrade though, but then got a different one afterwards and seem to be at those levels of CoV again.

Ok. I'd have to reread those arcs because I don't remember him and his sis losing any upgrade. They should have the Children of the Vault upgrade and the Hand upgrade ...the only thing they should have lost is the mind control. I know it was stated (cov) to be temporary but his power level seemed to remain high. Is there a scene where the department is shown?

Does Northstar really need a boost though?

Originally posted by krisblaze
Does Northstar really need a boost though?

To fight jay? No not really I mean he is younger and arguably more durable an as fast. Jay is more experienced. It's be a cool fight but Jay has better feats imo

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Ok. I'd have to reread those arcs because I don't remember him and his sis losing any upgrade. They should have the Children of the Vault upgrade and the Hand upgrade ...the only thing they should have lost is the mind control. I know it was stated (cov) to be temporary but his power level seemed to remain high. Is there a scene where the department is shown?

Oh they for sure lost the CoV upgrade. It was mentioned in the comics (cant remember issue), but was mentioned in the handbooks. Northstar still does have his hand upgrade. As he can flashbang on his own now and his super strength tearing down metal steel doors with his hands

Northstar mentions he can travel between countries in the blink of an eye

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As mentioned he can flashbang on his own, but now has other abilities such as energy blasts

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Northstar seems to be faster than his twin?

Originally posted by ghostman
lmao that pic of northstar

Looks like a gay elf.

Originally posted by beatboks
Speed steal jay doesnt like using it and has stated he thinks it's cheating but he does use it as frequently as Wally in fact if you consider how often he used it to amp Bart more so.

So he wont steal the speed to use but would to hamper.


So Jay stomps then. Even if he doesn't steal speed and add it to himself, Northstar would still be losing speed, so it would be irrelevant if Jay didn't gain anymore speed.

So yeah, Jay stomps unless people want to gimp Jay and forbid him from using the speed steal.

Originally posted by carver9
Northstar seems to be faster than his twin?

Supposed to be close or near equals since the "rebirth" upgrade. Aurora is more powerful overall though

Originally posted by Surtur
Looks like a gay elf.

that was actually a story. Northstar lived in Asgard and they actually were going to retcon their origins making them elves, but they changed it last minute

Originally posted by Surtur
So Jay stomps then. Even if he doesn't steal speed and add it to himself, Northstar would still be losing speed, so it would be irrelevant if Jay didn't gain anymore speed.

So yeah, Jay stomps unless people want to gimp Jay and forbid him from using the speed steal.



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Originally posted by -K-M-
Supposed to be close or near equals since the "rebirth" upgrade. Aurora is more powerful overall though



that was actually a story. Northstar lived in Asgard and they actually were going to retcon their origins making them elves, but they changed it last minute

She doesn't seem as fast though. He seems to be the speedster whereas she has far more power to work with.

Originally posted by carver9
She doesn't seem as fast though. He seems to be the speedster whereas she has far more power to work with.

That was changed, their basically both more then speedsters but Aurora had more upgrades then Northstar didn't get (Weapon X, Walter's alterations). She's still an elite speedster even Northstar said their the same. She just doesn't appear much, so doesn't get the same spotlight

Originally posted by leonidas
they're better than legion, but otherwise you're right on.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
To fight jay? No not really I mean he is younger and arguably more durable an as fast. Jay is more experienced. It's be a cool fight but Jay has better feats imo

I was thinking in the comics.

Got the impression that you guys thought he was due for a powerup or something, which I feel is unnecessary.

Originally posted by krisblaze
I was thinking in the comics.

Got the impression that you guys thought he was due for a powerup or something, which I feel is unnecessary.

No. I would like to see more of his sister. More snowbird etc...