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No bfr. Who's taking this.?

Close fight that can go either way. Jane's most powerful weapon, the Vaginaforce, won't work here because Maxima is also a host.

And Jane isn't Superman, so no reason for Maxima to job.

Comes down to whether Maxima can KO Jane before she lets loose the hammer. Which imo she can do.

Originally posted by cdtm
And Silver Surfer isn't a Celestial so no reason for Maxima to job.

Not sure I get your analogy.

I wonder if the instances of Magneto controlling the hammer are now invalid, now that its sentient.

Maxima more often han not. Tp 4tehwin.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I wonder if the instances of Magneto controlling the hammer are now invalid, now that its sentient.
Don't see why it's not.

True, Logan is sentient and Mags can control him just fine.

Originally posted by Bentley
Not sure I get your analogy.

Maxima jobs hard to Superman, is my point. Just walks through\shrugs off her attacks.

Their first meeting, she KO'd him outright (And then the Eradicator-Force possessing him at the time took over and nullified her efforts.)

The way you said it sounds like Superman jobbed to make Maxima look good in her introduction and then he started to act on average levels and she was outclassed throughly.

Maxima 6-7/10. Good fight btw

Originally posted by cdtm
Maxima jobs hard to Superman, is my point. Just walks through\shrugs off her attacks. ...or Superman is just that powerful.

There, I cleared it up for you.

Originally posted by Bentley
The way you said it sounds like Superman jobbed to make Maxima look good in her introduction and then he started to act on average levels and she was outclassed throughly.

Well, the story made it pretty clear that the "Eradicator-Force" was acting independantly to amp/alter effects, though.

Maxima casually immersed her and Superman within an illusion where they're both a married couple of warlords, for example. No problem enacting it, and Superman isn't actively resisting it or anything (She's only affecting what he sees, not his state of mind.) And then, suddenly, the illusion shifts to cover Superman in Kryptonian garb. Superman didn't do that, nor did Maxima.

That's pretty much the point of Maxima's introduction, tbh. She was just a plot device to hammer home to the reader that Superman is absolutely NOT himself, and that artifact he brought home from Krypton is gradually overwriting his mind/personality, as Maxima discovered (And rejected Superman as a mate because of it.)

And after Maxima lashed out at him because of the invading A.I. (Which clearly creeped her out), it was pretty obvious that the A.I. exerted ever greater control over it's host. The act of lashing out, Superman being affected by the lashing out, the sudden no-selling combined with personality changed and further illusions forced on Maxima all happened one after another. Within a few pages of each other. That's not usually how jobbing gets done.

(But yeah, I also probably did a bad example of explaining it.)

Originally posted by cdtm
the story made it pretty clear that the "Eradicator-Force" was acting independantly to amp How much do you want to bet that you can't prove that Superman's durability was amped when he took her?

If your only threshold of "evidence" is an outright statement, then no.

But that's true of just about any encounter. Who can prove Spidey doesn't just hit hard enough to KO Firelord, and usually pulls his punch's?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
True, Logan is sentient and Mags can control him just fine.
He's never really "controlled" it. Iirc he has either blunted its advance or flung it away briefly. When Thor got serious, he basically wilted like a flower.

Originally posted by cdtm
If your only threshold of "evidence" is an outright statement, then no.

But that's true of just about any encounter. Who can prove Spidey doesn't just hit hard enough to KO Firelord, and usually pulls his punch's? I would like to see any kind of evidence, besides 'his costume changed'.

Context is the evidence. She knocked him down, seemingly out, and the A.I. took over. Suddenly, only panels later, no sell.

If that's not good enough for you, don't know what else to say, except agree to disagree.

Superman was never koed. Later he treated her like an unruly child. And that "Eradicator force" Superman lost horribly to Lobo which was directly stated to be because Eradicator controlling him made a shitty fighter. Even later Superman treated Lobo like a child under the same writer.

Get that CBR shit out of here.

Originally posted by cdtm
Context is the evidence. She knocked him down, seemingly out, and the A.I. took over. Suddenly, only panels later, no sell.

If that's not good enough for you, don't know what else to say, except agree to disagree. Superman has been knocked around before and, once he braced for it, has tanked the attacks. Perhaps you should read some more Superman comics. I assume your position is that an Eradicator-like force was enhancing his durability in those examples, too, no? I will give you the answer before you read them - he wasn't. That's a standard Superman trope.

I will take you now to Superman's own words:
http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/MaximaAssault1.jpg.html

"Unleash all your power on me, I am prepared for it".

Eradicator was a presence in Superman's mind - he had no imaginary ability to enhance Superman's durability. If you have actual evidence otherwise, I welcome you to do so.

Maxima>Wonder Woman>Jane Thor

Superman didn't tank Maxima's mind warping powers in the Day of the Krypton Man story arc. You find out that the Eradicator was reforming Clark's mind into a cold Kryptonian matrix as the story goes on.

Superman's behavior grows more and more cold, calculating, and dickish as the story goes on. For example, he almost misses Lana Lang's birthday, and doesn't reciprocate any of her warmth when she is excited to see him finally show up. Instead, Lana Lang remarks that she feels like an icky girl in the third grade after he makes her hobble across the living room floor in a cast and kiss him to no effect.

Maxima recognized this change to Superman's demeanor during their encounter. She sensed that there was a presence in Superman's mind overriding her mental powers that allowed him to resist her. To put an even finer point on it, her narrating even mentions how the fire that was once lurking in him had been *eradicated* and how she won't be able to find a mate in so cold a knave anymore.

You don't seem to know what we're discussing.

We all know that Eradicator was in Superman's mind. But that doesn't change the physical tanking of Maxima's TK. Eradicator didn't change Superman's durability.

Actually, you're the one building a strawman in this thread when you asked "How much do you want to bet that you can't prove that Superman's durability was amped when he took her?" This is total sophistry on your part.

Maxima wins.

She is one of(if not *the*) most powerful herald-level female characters around. The total package.

Originally posted by Arabus
Actually, you're the one building a strawman in this thread when you asked "How much do you want to bet that you can't prove that Superman's durability was amped when he took her?" This is total sophistry on your part. It's ironic that you quote a part saying that you don't know what you're talking about, and then go on, again, to do just so.

Go sit in the corner.

It's ironic that someone who has the handle 'Philosophia' doesn't comprehend that their response is not an argument.

What is your argument? That Superman was somehow amped by Eradicator?

Originally posted by Arabus
It's ironic that someone who has the handle 'Philosophia' doesn't comprehend that their response is not an argument. I've already stated my argument, but you keep saying buzz-words hoping you have a point.

Like I said, go back in the corner until you can contribute with something.

There's a contingent in here acknowledging that there was a presence in Superman protecting him from Maxima's powers. What's the solution around this apparently? When Maxima finally lashes out, in reality it's the antithesis of what Superman calls a senseless reaction. That's because she's deliberately filtering out all other power frequencies in her blasts except for telekinesis.

Superman may dare Maxima to unleash all of her power on him, but nah, dishing out finely tuned beams for Superman's durability to handle no problem is just the paradox that Maxima enjoys. The threshold of Maxima making a statement that she's refraining from dealing Orion-punking damage doesn't exist, but also, the coinciding Eradicator costume reveal is surprisingly like Swiss cheese.

Eradicator was a presence in Superman's mind, helping him against the telepathic/illusion attack.

Eradicator gives no physical enhancement to Superman, so him casually walking through her telekinetic attack, is solely his durability.

Here's a couple of things you must do, before you enter a thread:

a). Don't be a moron
b). Read what the other people are discussing
c). Be on point

You're not yet past a).

Originally posted by Arabus
There's a contingent in here acknowledging that there was a presence in Superman protecting him from Maxima's powers. What's the solution around this apparently? When Maxima finally lashes out, in reality it's the antithesis of what Superman calls a senseless reaction. That's because she's deliberately filtering out all other power frequencies in her blasts except for telekinesis.

Superman may dare Maxima to unleash all of her power on him, but nah, dishing out finely tuned beams for Superman's durability to handle no problem is just the paradox that Maxima enjoys. The threshold of Maxima making a statement that she's refraining from dealing Orion-punking damage doesn't exist, but also, the coinciding Eradicator costume reveal is surprisingly like Swiss cheese.

Burying the lead here.

Maxima.did, indeed, punk Orion, who is consistantly written as => Superman.

Nu Maxima? Did her feats transfer

Originally posted by cdtm
Orion, who is consistantly written as => Superman. lol

Originally posted by cdtm
Burying the lead here.

Maxima.did, indeed, punk Orion, who is consistantly written as => Superman.
During encounters, it seems to go the way of Superman and Cpt. Marvel/Shazam.

But by feats no.

Nearly knocked him out with a controlled burst of Astro Force in the Son of Darkseid story.

DID knock him out in Death of the New Gods and that Classified story (The one everyone uses)

Held his own in h2h in same.

Was the only hero who held his own in King of the World.


For starters.

Asked a simple question yet everyone is busy flexing their e-nuts 😑

Originally posted by cdtm
Nearly knocked him out with a controlled burst of Astro Force in the Son of Darkseid story.

1). Byrne-era Superman. The weakest Superman in 70 years.
2). Orion needed Lightray's help to recover from Superman's attack:
http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/BSupermanvsOrion2.jpg.html
3). That was a brainwashed Superman, whose power is explicitly dependent on his mind.
4). He didn't even know what powers he had, thinking himself the son of Darkseid, and resorted to bullrushing Orion. His heat vision actually can match the Astro-Force:
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/hvastroforce.jpg.html
5). Superman wasn't knocked out, only dazed, and literally in the next panel threw a pilar into Orion, knocking him down.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/BSupermanvsOrion4.jpg

Good job showing that a brainwashed, underpowered, unaware Superman can match Orion.

Originally posted by cdtm
DID knock him out in that Classified story (The one everyone uses)

Again with a young, inexperienced Superman? The same Superman who shitstomped Mantis, in that same arc:
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/esupesmantis2.jpg.html
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/esupesmantis3.jpg.html
http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/KMCPhilosophia/media/esupesmantis4.jpg.html

While Orion had to be saved from him?

http://s267.photobucket.com/user/darkseidres2/media/198905NewGods004p16.jpg.html
http://s267.photobucket.com/user/darkseidres2/media/198905NewGods004p17.jpg.html
http://s267.photobucket.com/user/darkseidres2/media/198905NewGods004p18.jpg.html

And who only won by going absolutely berserk?

Originally posted by cdtm
DID knock him out in DOTNG?
Are you this disingenuous that you leave out context?
Jesus Christ, have some integrity.

Originally posted by cdtm
Held his own in h2h in same. Darkseid explicitly singled out Superman as his physical rival, while they were fighting, and attributing ferocity to Orion.

Originally posted by cdtm
Was the only hero who held his own in King of the World.
Holding his own is now superiority to Superman? Isn't that what you're trying to prove? And you're referring to the same story where Orion had to sucker punch him with the astro force? Where they had to pull out kryptonite to beat him? Are you sure you're arguing for Orion?


Superman has outperformed him:
-> against Kalibak , while Superman rofloverpowers him.
-> against Darkseid, multiple times. (http://s738.photobucket.com/user/PhilosophiaKMC/media/FightsOmegaBeams.jpg.html)
-> against DD Wars Doomsday
-> against Infinite Man
-> against White Martian
-> Against Mantis
etc.

Orion, who gets bloodied and humiliated by goddamn Hyppolita?
http://i.imgur.com/Incawel.jpg

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Nu Maxima? Did her feats transfer Originally posted by Sin I AM
Asked a simple question yet everyone is busy flexing their e-nuts 😑 they should transfer. DC just merged again iirc.

Orion is consistently written in the same ballpark as Superman, but he's nearly always portrayed below him to varying degrees.

Originally posted by Galan007
Orion is consistently written in the same ballpark as Superman, but he's nearly always portrayed below him to varying degrees.

I'd put him somewhere between Diana and Superman.

The showing referenced in this thread is better suited to show Orion > rest of the Justice League , instead of trying to make an imaginary Orion > Superman.

Same.

If Dianna were an 8, and Superman were a 10, I'd put Orion at like a 9 on average. He's strong enough to give Superman a damn good fight, but will still lose to him almost every time.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same.

If Dianna were an 8, and Superman were a 10, I'd put Orion at like a 9 on average. He's strong enough to give Superman a damn good fight, but will still lose to him almost every time.

Anyway, Maxima wins.

I don't think it even needs to get physical, since Jane has nothing to counter this:

Orion:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy25.jpg

Captain Marvel:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_psibolt10.jpg

Diana:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy31.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj364/galanphotobook/maxima_telepathy32.jpg

Originally posted by cdtm
Burying the lead here.

Maxima.did, indeed, punk Orion, who is consistantly written as => Superman. Originally posted by cdtm
Nearly knocked him out with a controlled burst of Astro Force in the Son of Darkseid story.

DID knock him out in Death of the New Gods and that Classified story (The one everyone uses)

Held his own in h2h in same.

Was the only hero who held his own in King of the World.


For starters.
How about Brainiac oneshotting both Orion and Lightray like a ***** and Superman beating the ****ing shit out of an amped Brainiac literally one issue later?

Originally posted by abhilegend
Brainiac owns Orion, Lightray and pretty much whole New Genesis with TK.

http://s4d3.turboimagehost.com/t1/16388362_ActionComics705p22.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16382814_ManOfSteel40p02.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16382815_ManOfSteel40p03.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16382816_ManOfSteel40p04.jpg

Then he merges with a portion of his power which was used to create a mental creation of Superman's exact double (it was tested to be superman's equal repeatedly and even went toe to toe with superman) to be even more powerful

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16392533_AdventuresOfSuperman519p04.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16392534_AdventuresOfSuperman519p05.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16392535_AdventuresOfSuperman519p06.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16392536_AdventuresOfSuperman519p07.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16391650_AdventuresOfSuperman519p11.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16391651_AdventuresOfSuperman519p12.jpg

Originally posted by abhilegend
Superman beats the shit out of the more powerful Brainiac

http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16391651_AdventuresOfSuperman519p12.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16391652_AdventuresOfSuperman519p13.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16391653_AdventuresOfSuperman519p14.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16391654_AdventuresOfSuperman519p15.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16391655_AdventuresOfSuperman519p16.jpg http://s4d4.turboimagehost.com/t1/16391657_AdventuresOfSuperman519p17.jpg

Eradicator gives no physical enhancement to Superman, so him casually walking through her telekinetic attack, is solely his durability.

Eradicator gives no enhancement to Superman, so casually, Superman is super enhanced.

Superman has the best durability, so casually, Eradicator doesn't affect Superman's durability.

Eradicator sucks, so casually, Superman is awesome.

Circular reasoning.


Here's a couple of things you must do, before you enter a thread:

Appeal to false authority.


a). Don't be a moron b). Read what the other people are discussing c). Be on point You're not yet past a).

not an argument X 4

Originally posted by Arabus
Eradicator gives no physical enhancement to Superman, so him casually walking through her telekinetic attack, is solely his durability.

Eradicator gives no enhancement to Superman, so casually, Superman is super enhanced.

Superman has the best durability, so casually, Eradicator doesn't affect Superman's durability.

Eradicator sucks, so casually, Superman is awesome.

Circular reasoning.


Here's a couple of things you must do, before you enter a thread:

Appeal to false authority.


a). Don't be a moron b). Read what the other people are discussing c). Be on point You're not yet past a).

not an argument X 4
What are you talking about? Eradicator didn't enhance Superman. Its not circular reasoning, its a fact.

Its not like she did any better against a routine holding back Superman who overpowered her like an unruly child.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07d.jpg

Originally posted by Phil
Anyway, Maxima wins.

I don't think it even needs to get physical, since Jane has nothing to counter this:

Orion:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...telepathy25.jpg

Captain Marvel:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...a_psibolt10.jpg

Diana:
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...telepathy31.jpg
http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/...telepathy32.jpg

Aside from that, most people are quick to discredit Max's TK prowess... But make no mistake: her output is f*cking gargantuan in that area as well:
Originally posted by Galan007
A weakened Maxima uses TK to close one of the massive fissures created by Starbreaker, which nearly destroyed Almerac:
http://i.imgur.com/KG4wXeLm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TXOxJCYm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SuX1M8Jm.jpg

*Confirmation that she closed/sealed the fissure alone:
http://i.imgur.com/3ZLItjd.jpg

And as I said: Maxima was very weak at the time, as she had just been attacked by Starbreaker the issue prior:
http://i.imgur.com/jK4FQk5.jpg


To give you a sense of scale, here is how large the fissure(s) were:
http://i.imgur.com/bhD8eCEm.jpg


Had she not been "exhausted" at the time, even a feat of that magnitude would have been child's play... Max was crazy-powerful.

Damn, you really are a mongoloid who can't follow the discussion.

Oh well.

Originally posted by Galan007


Aside from that, most people are quick to discredit Max's TK prowess... But make no mistake: her output is f*cking gargantuan in that area as well:



She's one of the most well rounded top tiers in comics. Impressive physically, telekinetically and telepathically.

Originally posted by Galan007
Same.

If Dianna were an 8, and Superman were a 10, I'd put Orion at like a 9 on average. He's strong enough to give Superman a damn good fight, but will still lose to him almost every time.

I don't believe Superman's ever beaten Orion, though. But he has lost to him a few times.

Which makes sense, considering he'a destined to kill Darkseid, who has a much better record of trashing Superman then not (Cue the Apokolips Now and Supermam/Batman examples, which represent two poorly written blips in Darkseid's extensive history of dominance, dating all the way back to the Byrne/Jurgens era..)

Originally posted by abhilegend
Eradicator gives no enhancement to Superman, so casually, Superman is super enhanced.

Superman has the best durability, so casually, Eradicator doesn't affect Superman's durability.

Eradicator sucks, so casually, Superman is awesome.

Circular reasoning.


Here's a couple of things you must do, before you enter a thread:

Appeal to false authority.


a). Don't be a moron b). Read what the other people are discussing c). Be on point You're not yet past a).

not an argument X 4
What are you talking about? Eradicator didn't enhance Superman. Its not circular reasoning, its a fact.

Its not like she did any better against a routine holding back Superman who overpowered her like an unruly child.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07d.jpg

Repeating the premise in your conclusion as if you had provided support for your assertion is textbook circular reasoning.

The Action Comics 651 page with the costume changing was used as evidence to back up the claim that Superman walked through Maxima's TK casually without the Eradicator's help. In fact, nowhere on that page, or in that comic does it say anything about Maxima blasting Superman with TK.

Telekinesis is just one aspect of her psionic powers that allows her to fly, manipulate matter, or generate force fields, but it's not all of her power. She's not Vance Astrovik. She's a telepath that can cast illusions, control people's minds, hypnotize you with a look, fight on the astral plane, or scramble your brain with mind bolts until you're a vegetable. None of these other power features that emanate out of Maxima's head have anything to with physical force. Orion, Hank King, Wonder Woman, and Brainiac can all attest to this.

Enter the Eradicator. Maxima, in character, tried to use her illusions to persuade Superman, but the overriding presence in his mind warped her projections. She was turned off by the fact that the fire she has seen in him before had been eradicated, so she knocked him off his feet and down onto his back with an optic blast. He gets up. She blasts him a second time off his feet, sending him sailing through the room. He stops himself from being knocked back by grabbing two pillars. He says he has to take her in for breaking the law, and she says, "The DIE!" That's when the costume change happens, and he dares her, 'unleash all your telekinesis opon me -- I am prepared for it'. Oh wait. He said all your power.

Originally posted by Galan007


Aside from that, most people are quick to discredit Max's TK prowess... But make no mistake: her output is f*cking gargantuan in that area as well: Maxima is what mean grey wishes she could grow up to be.

Originally posted by Galan007


Aside from that, most people are quick to discredit Max's TK prowess... But make no mistake: her output is f*cking gargantuan in that area as well:

well, yeah. that's why we chose her and destroyed everyone in that tournament.

Hand to hand, I think Maxima wins this, but with mjolnir at her disposal I'm going with Jane.

Originally posted by cdtm
I don't believe Superman's ever beaten Orion, though. But he has lost to him a few times.




Orion can't beat Superman when he is bloodlusted and cheapshotted Superman who proceeds to beat the shit out of him.




Darkseid has Wrecked Orion like nothing (Firestorm 15, Foundations, New Gods 7) while Superman beats the ****ing shit out of Darkseid (Apokolips Now, Superman/Batman 13, Superman/Batman 42, Countdown 4) or straight up walks through his omega beams which Orion can only dream about (Adventures of Superman 595).

Orion is lucky Superman holds back against him as he himself noted in Day of Judgement.

But keep tooting your own horn without showing anything.

Originally posted by Arabus
Appeal to false authority.


a). Don't be a moron b). Read what the other people are discussing c). Be on point You're not yet past a).

not an argument X 4
What are you talking about? Eradicator didn't enhance Superman. Its not circular reasoning, its a fact.

Its not like she did any better against a routine holding back Superman who overpowered her like an unruly child.

http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07a.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07b.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07c.jpg
http://i1007.photobucket.com/albums/af191/lgu88/Superman/Battles/heroes/ManOfTomorrow07d.jpg

Repeating the premise in your conclusion as if you had provided support for your assertion is textbook circular reasoning.

The Action Comics 651 page with the costume changing was used as evidence to back up the claim that Superman walked through Maxima's TK casually without the Eradicator's help. In fact, nowhere on that page, or in that comic does it say anything about Maxima blasting Superman with TK.

Telekinesis is just one aspect of her psionic powers that allows her to fly, manipulate matter, or generate force fields, but it's not all of her power. She's not Vance Astrovik. She's a telepath that can cast illusions, control people's minds, hypnotize you with a look, fight on the astral plane, or scramble your brain with mind bolts until you're a vegetable. None of these other power features that emanate out of Maxima's head have anything to with physical force. Orion, Hank King, Wonder Woman, and Brainiac can all attest to this.

Enter the Eradicator. Maxima, in character, tried to use her illusions to persuade Superman, but the overriding presence in his mind warped her projections. She was turned off by the fact that the fire she has seen in him before had been eradicated, so she knocked him off his feet and down onto his back with an optic blast. He gets up. She blasts him a second time off his feet, sending him sailing through the room. He stops himself from being knocked back by grabbing two pillars. He says he has to take her in for breaking the law, and she says, "The DIE!" That's when the costume change happens, and he dares her, 'unleash all your telekinesis opon me -- I am prepared for it'. Oh wait. He said all your power.
Soooooo, Maxima wasn't using his power to the fullest while screaming "DIE"?

And what was she blasting Superman with? Water?

Humor me.

Maxima